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risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
November 22 2012 10:17 GMT
#1159
I just reread oats filter. Am I the only one who can't see why he is town?
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
November 22 2012 10:42 GMT
#1161
On November 22 2012 19:32 Oatsmaster wrote:
Yeah pretty much risk.
Who are you looking to vote for party leader?

I have voted sandroba but It's not in stone.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
November 22 2012 11:57 GMT
#1179
Goodkarma, exclude oats from your mission team and you have my vote.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
November 22 2012 12:40 GMT
#1182
On November 22 2012 21:14 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2012 20:57 risk.nuke wrote:
Goodkarma, exclude oats from your mission team and you have my vote.

Trust and something approaching praise coming from risk.nuke, how... unusual.

Risk, what do you feel is wrong with Sandro and Syllo at the moment?

I don't know what you are talking about Acro.

As for Oats, He made a tunnelcase on clarity and when it didn't work he tried the yell higher approach.
I also didn't like that he voted toad who's notoriously difficult to read but that is a lesser concern.

My main problem with oats is he hasn't really done anything in actual terms to distinguish himself as town while he's playing one of the easier ways to play as scum. Furthermore I get the feeling of two sides of him. One calm and considerate and one yell as high as you can side.

Right now I don't have an abundant of trust for syllogism and sandroba wants to send oats. I have townreads goodkarma and Djodref.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
November 22 2012 12:55 GMT
#1193
On November 22 2012 21:42 Oatsmaster wrote:
What do you mean by the yell higher approach? and can you quote both sides of me?

When you typed your case and you repeatedly told everyone to go back and look at your case asking for opinions. I might not had found it suspicious if it wasn't because the case was impossible-to-not-see terrible. Some of the post you make indicate that you are capable of staying composed and focused when you post. So why do other parts of your filter look like you're just letting your mouth run.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
November 22 2012 13:04 GMT
#1196
On November 22 2012 21:56 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2012 21:55 Acrofales wrote:
On November 22 2012 21:43 Clarity_nl wrote:
I just caught up, there's actually not a lot in the last 10 pages. The most interesting thing was kush's "action", which could be real or false given the heavy flavor. People seemed to ignore it for a bit, djo pointed it out and people still ignored it. Marv finally ended up reacting to it quite violently as if he was really pissed and knew what was going to happen...?
I mean "nirvana strike" isn't exactly the most imaginative, what makes you so sure it's an actual thing, marv?

It's an ability that Cyrus has in Chrono Trigger (yes, I looked that shit up in the chronopedia). Kush claims Cyrus and Nirvana Strikes marv. I can see no reason for Kush, who is playing a lousy game (even lousier than usual), to jump out of nowhere, fakeclaim and fake-ability Marv. It just makes way more sense for this to be real.

And given the way he did it, he is expecting to suicide with it. It is pathetic, but I see no reason to mistrust its authenticity.


Right, it could be fake, but the natural and probable assumption is that it isn't. There's not a lot else to say on the matter.

Kush can you explain your ability, why you targeted marv? And can you potentially abort it?
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
November 22 2012 13:05 GMT
#1199
On November 22 2012 22:03 Oatsmaster wrote:
Cause I am letting my mouth run?
I wasnt asking people to read the case, I was asking for opinions on it, sorry if it came out that way. Too many negatives in your second sentence that I dont really understand. If I make a terrible case and no one says anything, I may unknowingly keep doing it which isnt good. I may have gone over the top and I am sorry if it irritated you.

It didn't irritate me, it made me suspicious of your behaviour which contrary to irritation is alignment indicative.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
November 22 2012 14:58 GMT
#1239
On November 22 2012 23:56 Toadesstern wrote:
@both:
Yeah kind of. I really think that the most likely scenario is that either Sandro or Syllo is mafia. And I am trying to figure things out, hence the Kita vote :p

What about goodkarma?
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
November 22 2012 15:34 GMT
#1265
On November 23 2012 00:19 Mementoss wrote:
Vote Count

Kitaman27 (4): Kitaman27, Promethelax,phagga, Toadesstern

Goodkarma (2): djodref, goodkarma

Sandroba (4): risk.nuke, Hopeless1der, Acrofales, kushm4sta

Dienosore (1): Dienosore

Syllogism (5): Oatsmaster, Marvellosity, Clarity_nl, iamperfection, TheChronicler


Players who have yet to vote (9): CaveJohnson, Hapahauli, Z-BosoN, strongandbig, BioSC, Keirathi, syllogism, Adam4167, sandroba

Remember that voting is mandatory.

All votes must be in by Thursday, Nov 22 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)

I forgot to unvote.
##unvote: Sandroba
##Vote: goodkarma
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
November 22 2012 15:36 GMT
#1267
On November 23 2012 00:20 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 00:13 marvellosity wrote:
On November 23 2012 00:12 Toadesstern wrote:
On November 23 2012 00:11 Acrofales wrote:
On November 23 2012 00:03 Toadesstern wrote:
On November 23 2012 00:00 Acrofales wrote:
On November 22 2012 23:56 Toadesstern wrote:
@both:
Yeah kind of. I really think that the most likely scenario is that either Sandro or Syllo is mafia. And I am trying to figure things out, hence the Kita vote :p

What if Kita is the actual scum, but they're waiting for some gullible town, so their bandwagon seems less suspect when it utterly fails the first event?

What if you and Kita are scum together and your feigned naiveté is a calculated ploy?

Why Kita, and not GK? Hell, why not Dieno? If your entire reason for voting is that he has no bandwagon behind him, Dieno seems by far the best choice.

What is your reason for voting for KITA? And not your reason for voting against Sandro and Syllo, which is a different question.

dude I just answered that with the post you quoted...
Well not the 2nd question because that's obviously bullshit but everything else.

Okay, let me rephrase:

Your ONLY reason for thinking Kita is town is because you think one of Sandro/Syllo is scum. You are therefore blindly following him, implying you think he is not only town, but his judgement is good (and you therefore think Prom, Dieno and I are town as well).

Is this a correct assessment of your recent thought process?

nope


I would like to know why you are seeking to make yourself irrelevant in this town. What is your motivation for making obscure posts without reasoning, and therefore leading town to distrust or ignore what you say?

Why do you want this, Toad?

I still need to find the guy I want to vote for.

Syllo's most recent post was decent and so was Acros.
Acro's apparently a bit on the slow side but that's fine.
Risk is asking the wrong questions and you are suprisingly suprised about something you know very well and you should definitely not need to ask the questions you did. I would have expected you to just tell me to shut up and stop it without asking why I'm doing it.

That begs the question: why do you feel the need to emphasize on something like that when you shouldn't have to?

what do you mean I'm asking the wrong question? And what questions are you referring to? What the hell are you talking about?
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
November 22 2012 15:45 GMT
#1272
On November 23 2012 00:37 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 00:34 risk.nuke wrote:
On November 23 2012 00:19 Mementoss wrote:
Vote Count

Kitaman27 (4): Kitaman27, Promethelax,phagga, Toadesstern

Goodkarma (2): djodref, goodkarma

Sandroba (4): risk.nuke, Hopeless1der, Acrofales, kushm4sta

Dienosore (1): Dienosore

Syllogism (5): Oatsmaster, Marvellosity, Clarity_nl, iamperfection, TheChronicler


Players who have yet to vote (9): CaveJohnson, Hapahauli, Z-BosoN, strongandbig, BioSC, Keirathi, syllogism, Adam4167, sandroba

Remember that voting is mandatory.

All votes must be in by Thursday, Nov 22 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)

I forgot to unvote.
##unvote: Sandroba
##Vote: goodkarma


risk, what makes you feel so good about goodkarma?

I like how he post. I feel I can follow his thoughts.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
November 22 2012 16:10 GMT
#1296
On November 23 2012 00:42 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 00:34 risk.nuke wrote:
On November 23 2012 00:19 Mementoss wrote:
Vote Count

Kitaman27 (4): Kitaman27, Promethelax,phagga, Toadesstern

Goodkarma (2): djodref, goodkarma

Sandroba (4): risk.nuke, Hopeless1der, Acrofales, kushm4sta

Dienosore (1): Dienosore

Syllogism (5): Oatsmaster, Marvellosity, Clarity_nl, iamperfection, TheChronicler


Players who have yet to vote (9): CaveJohnson, Hapahauli, Z-BosoN, strongandbig, BioSC, Keirathi, syllogism, Adam4167, sandroba

Remember that voting is mandatory.

All votes must be in by Thursday, Nov 22 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)

I forgot to unvote.
##unvote: Sandroba
##Vote: goodkarma

You say that you do not trust me. Does that mean you don't think that I'm town or just that I'm less likely to pick a good team than goodkarma. Why did you trust sandroba over me?

It's not about that, with you and sandroba I don't know who to trust. I agreed with you on several of your points you made against Sandroba which was what caused my initial mistrust for him and why I started looking around for other candidates. However there are several things about Sandroba that I don't think scum would do that you neglected to bring up.

In the end I'm not sure if sandroba is town or scum. In Election Mafia Arctocod had great support and was to be elected when scum made him unable. After that a scum candidate rocketed. I feel suspicious at you coming in as a second place holder rocketing up unresisted.

I think it's safer to step back and support a candidate that only have support from people I had townreads on.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
November 22 2012 16:13 GMT
#1298
On November 23 2012 00:38 Dienosore wrote:
I hope I haven't committed suicide with this post :X

Alright, guys. I've been doing a lot of watching these past 30~ pages or so. I've come up with this aggregate system that isn't based around calling people towny or scum, but rather personal interactions. Using my extraordinary abilities to decipher what people mean rather than what they say, I've drawn out what I think is turning out to be a very interesting relationship map, and here it is:

[image loading]

The wiggly lines show hate/distrust, while the straight lines show some sort of companionship. There are a few other types of lines in there that represent different things, but I don't really feel like going into depth about every little mark.

From this, I am able to extrapolate what I see into a larger picture. The only things that really set off flags for me are these:

- Djodref and Goodkarma coming up as strong scumreads.
- Kitaman drawing a lot of attention for little reason.
- CaveJohnson coming up as scummy.
- Iamperfection being indicated in secret relationships with SnB and CaveJohnson.

I've also spotted some sort of mysterious link between Promethelax/Kushm4sta, Promethelax/Kitaman, and Risk.Nuke/Promethelax. I find it hard to think townies would be forming these sort of clandestine connections this early in the game, though it does not necessarily make them scum. There is always the possibility of a third party out there.

Right now, I havn't really made any clear towny reads using this map other than Syllo. Sandroba was clear town for me until Syllo raised some suspicion with his >50% remark.

Another flag is the sudden surge of support for Kitaman27 from people who I've dubbed as suspicious.

What's also interesting is who is not on the map. BioSC caught a bit of negative attention from Iamperfection early on, then sort of disappeared. Not sure what this means.


Alright that's all I have for now. Looking through all my info, it's pretty clear that I'm not going to be first leader, and that's fine with me. I just hope I get in the party and survive the night.

What in dumbs name?
Kush. These are the moronscum you dayvig.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
November 22 2012 16:38 GMT
#1317
goodkarma... sigh,
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
November 22 2012 17:32 GMT
#1353
Poor viscera. Another note, I don't think grey would modkill kush unless marv was town.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
November 22 2012 17:36 GMT
#1359
On November 23 2012 02:33 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 02:32 risk.nuke wrote:
Poor viscera. Another note, I don't think grey would modkill kush unless marv was town.


Lets not read into this. I think its pretty clear grey modkilled kush because he suicided using an ability that had no chance of success.

nvm I missread.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
November 22 2012 21:49 GMT
#1592
Switching from syllo at this point seems futile. For at least a few hours now it's pretty much already been decided, for better or worse he was going to be elected.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
November 23 2012 10:32 GMT
#1845
Good job syllogism!
On November 23 2012 12:11 Oatsmaster wrote:
I think we should wait for Syllo to post before jumping to conclusions

Here is something I love, an independent thinking man.

Moving on, I'm really wondering where sandroba have gone. I'm leaning I want to lynch him but I'm going to at least park my vote on him untill he comes back.
##Vote: sandroba
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
November 23 2012 15:16 GMT
#1908
On November 23 2012 23:43 Djodref wrote:
I might have sounded angry but I honestly think that this sandroba wagon is pretty stupid. Nobody really brings an original argument and is sheeping syllo ">50% chance that sandro is mafia" and/or basically lynching a lurker with contributions.

It's the perfect situation for the mafia to mislynch sandro if he is town, not contribute, blend in. I don't like how this D2 starts at all.

For example, risk.nuke dropping in the thread and casting his vote against sandro with his "waiting for sandro to participate to switch my vote to ..." without even giving any alternatives. Fuck this kind of attitude !

FoS risk.nuke

"without giving any alternatives"...
Do you understand that bringing up alternatives would completely contradict the very reason I parked my vote on sandroba.
The point was to build pressure to force him into activity. Saying, I'm parking my vote on sandroba but if he doesn't show up I'm going to vote this guy is just... dumb doesn't even suffice.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
November 23 2012 17:24 GMT
#1949
On November 24 2012 00:47 Djodref wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2012 00:16 risk.nuke wrote:
On November 23 2012 23:43 Djodref wrote:
I might have sounded angry but I honestly think that this sandroba wagon is pretty stupid. Nobody really brings an original argument and is sheeping syllo ">50% chance that sandro is mafia" and/or basically lynching a lurker with contributions.

It's the perfect situation for the mafia to mislynch sandro if he is town, not contribute, blend in. I don't like how this D2 starts at all.

For example, risk.nuke dropping in the thread and casting his vote against sandro with his "waiting for sandro to participate to switch my vote to ..." without even giving any alternatives. Fuck this kind of attitude !

FoS risk.nuke

"without giving any alternatives"...
Do you understand that bringing up alternatives would completely contradict the very reason I parked my vote on sandroba.
The point was to build pressure to force him into activity. Saying, I'm parking my vote on sandroba but if he doesn't show up I'm going to vote this guy is just... dumb doesn't even suffice.


@risk.nuke

Well, obviously it didn't work because sandro is supposedly sleeping now. What do you plan to do now ?

Play the waiting game.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
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