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On November 22 2012 07:29 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 07:24 phagga wrote:
I have the feeling that your post is sincere, but I'm not sure. If this is indeed how you are feeling, then you shouldn't be doing this, qtpie. However, there is the possibility that you are just setting yourself up to make excuses later on. I doubt it, but I don't want to dismiss that thought yet. what potential excuses do you think that post might lead to? I will quite happily discuss it with you now so you can hold me accountable to it later.
I don't know. I think.
I was just pretty surprised by this, normally people announce stuff like that before the game starts, and not in the middle of D1.
It will at least give you a good excuse why your meta might be off.
Look, honestly, I don't know what you could abuse it for. I just don't like it. I read it for the first time, scrolled down to the next post, then stopped and went back and read it again. It just feels... wrong. But I cannot really give you a good reason why.
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I'm off to bed, see you guys tomorrow.
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@Goodkarma
If you trust Sandro so much, why do you not vote him? If GK thinks Sandro is so townie that you includes him in your team, why should I vote you instead of Sandro?
What do you say to the following: You are scum, you include a town sandro to make his team more townie, hoping to catch more votes like that.
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On November 22 2012 10:27 Z-BosoN wrote:@Phagga+ Show Spoiler +on november something phagga wrote:
You are therefore assuming that one of the vets is town, is able to read sandroba as scum(my) and is able to convince town about it, necessarly against other vets who might be scum as well? A couple of people have mentioned being familiar with his meta and being able to discern him scum from town. I am assuming that he is easier than syllogism to pin fdown, and according to my logic that I presented earlier (which no one seemed to want to discuss), I think this weighs heavier. Personally, however, I'm not familiar with either of their meta, so I'm trying to take in consideration the town as a whole. I can always read his filter and previous games if the situation is Dire.
I'm not liking how you aren't taking a stance, though. Here you outline this strategy: On November 21 2012 16:18 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 16:03 Oatsmaster wrote:
Nice post phagga.
Do you have a strategy on picking the party leaders/party members? I will pick a party leader who (priority in this order): 1.) I have a town read on2.) Is good at reading people D1 3.) has a sound plan how to choose his team 4.) Suggests/chooses team members that I agree with 1 and 2 are a must, 3 and 4 are nice to have. Saying that it's important you choose someone you have a townread on. Then, you seem a little hesistant to discuss town reads with other people, as (on a previous post you said) it makes it easier for scum to blend in. This post is an example of this: On November 21 2012 17:02 phagga wrote:
EBWOP: I am aware that we have to discuss the people who want to get elected and that this will eventually lead to townreads in the thread. This is unavoidable. Nevertheless, I find it dangerous if people go around and ask for townreads from people who are not candidating and/or will probably not get elected. Also, asking for townreads when the game is not even 12 hours old is unnecessary. So what I expect from you: go around interacting with town. This is pretty much what you do, fantastic. But now, game is much past 12 hours and you have yet to tell us your opinion on who you think is town and who you will be voting. Out of nowhere, you mention kita: On November 22 2012 07:13 phagga wrote:
Acrofales, if you are around, i would still like to know why you do not consider Kita a serious candidate. I'm very curious as to why you chose to comment on kita, out of all people. This seems utterly random, given your other posts. Also, you don't state opinions and you spend most of your time prodding around asking questions, but never saying anything conclusive. Explain yourself, because I can't discern in which direction you are going in order to consolidate your vote.
I have not read all the posts yet, I just arrived at the point where Syllo addresses Sandro regarding unanswered questions here.
I have not named a candidate yet because I do not have a clear town read on one yet. I was leaning on Sandroba the whole time, and I also tend to think that Syllo is town. However, I only have a very rough idea on how these guys play scum, and I don't trust them enough yet. Also I don't like it at all that they are almost uncontested. As someone said earlier, mafia should have an interest at getting this spot too, and somehow I would expect some heavier resistance. Unless Sand and Syllo are both scum, of course, but Orcams Razor probably says no.
Kita was always in the back of my head because I liked his opening post. I was aware that he went MIA for a while, but I still thought that his candidature was serious. So when I realized that barely anyone talked about him, I thought I'd use Acros post to see if I could get some info on what people thought about him. Also, as I wrote earlier, I do think more competition is needed, and since Toad is out of the race, that leaves Kita as the most promising competitor to Sandro/Syllo. Regarding his proposed team: Dieno has claimed after I talked about the possibility to be 3rd party, and the way is behaving I think I could meanwhile accept him in the party, although there are other players that I would prefer. Prom is the one I feel really unsure about. I hope Kita thinks that one over. Nevertheless, for the time being, he gets my vote. ##Vote Kitaman
Goodkarmas candidature comes surprising, and I first liked his approach for the candidature. However, I voiced my suspicion of him yesterday, and his choice of Sandro for the team looks like a joke, as you can see in my questions to him.
I will be very busy today. I should be in the thread for sure in the last 2-3 hours before deadline. Hopefully I will be able to interact some more earlier.
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On November 22 2012 18:55 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 18:52 phagga wrote:
@Goodkarma
If you trust Sandro so much, why do you not vote him? If GK thinks Sandro is so townie that you includes him in your team, why should I vote you instead of Sandro?
What do you say to the following: You are scum, you include a town sandro to make his team more townie, hoping to catch more votes like that. @ PhaggaDoes it look like Oats and me are scum ?
No, I got you null, Oats leaning slightly townie. However, I don't expect scum to fill their team with mafia, that would be too obvious. A second scum might be there, but not 3 or 4.
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On November 23 2012 00:38 Dienosore wrote:I hope I haven't committed suicide with this post :X Alright, guys. I've been doing a lot of watching these past 30~ pages or so. I've come up with this aggregate system that isn't based around calling people towny or scum, but rather personal interactions. Using my extraordinary abilities to decipher what people mean rather than what they say, I've drawn out what I think is turning out to be a very interesting relationship map, and here it is: ![[image loading]](http://i45.tinypic.com/22mao4.jpg) The wiggly lines show hate/distrust, while the straight lines show some sort of companionship. There are a few other types of lines in there that represent different things, but I don't really feel like going into depth about every little mark. From this, I am able to extrapolate what I see into a larger picture. The only things that really set off flags for me are these: - Djodref and Goodkarma coming up as strong scumreads.- Kitaman drawing a lot of attention for little reason - CaveJohnson coming up as scummy.- Iamperfection being indicated in secret relationships with SnB and CaveJohnson. I've also spotted some sort of mysterious link between Promethelax/Kushm4sta, Promethelax/Kitaman, and Risk.Nuke/Promethelax. I find it hard to think townies would be forming these sort of clandestine connections this early in the game, though it does not necessarily make them scum. There is always the possibility of a third party out there. Right now, I havn't really made any clear towny reads using this map other than Syllo. Sandroba was clear town for me until Syllo raised some suspicion with his >50% remark. Another flag is the sudden surge of support for Kitaman27 from people who I've dubbed as suspicious. What's also interesting is who is not on the map. BioSC caught a bit of negative attention from Iamperfection early on, then sort of disappeared. Not sure what this means. Alright that's all I have for now. Looking through all my info, it's pretty clear that I'm not going to be first leader, and that's fine with me. I just hope I get in the party and survive the night.
Please elaborate the bolded points. What exactly is it that makes them strong scumread/scummy?
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On November 23 2012 00:44 Adam4167 wrote:
I like how syllogism is thinking.
##vote syllogism
Can you please elaborate a bit more what it is exactly that you like?
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On November 23 2012 00:55 marvellosity wrote:
I might as well say now, I do plan on running for party leader in the coming days if I'm around to do so.
I thought you were lazy, why the change of heart?
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On November 23 2012 01:02 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 01:00 phagga wrote:On November 23 2012 00:55 marvellosity wrote:
I might as well say now, I do plan on running for party leader in the coming days if I'm around to do so. I thought you were lazy, why the change of heart? because now i feel i want to, whereas before i didn't. no particular reason other than i'm feeling it more.
And why are the following quoted points no longer an issue for you?
Marv once wrote:
Plus I don't feel very at home in themed setups like this. There are going to be some differences in how scum/town players act compared to normal setups, and I don't know what they are yet.
There are a few players in this game who I hold in extremely high regard (I think are better than me) and in that situation I feel somewhat insecure. If those players weren't in the game I'm pretty sure I would be standing for party leader because I'd think I knew best out of everyone playing, but I don't think that in this game.
Do you think now that you know best of everyone playing? If so, why don't you run for leadership today?
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On November 23 2012 01:06 Dienosore wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 00:49 phagga wrote:
Please elaborate the bolded points. What exactly is it that makes them strong scumread/scummy? I identified them as mafia very early in the game. Since then, I've been evaluating their interactions with everyone, and they seem to always come up negatively. I can only assume scum because why would a towny act this way? Why else would they garner so much distrust and hate from everyone except for the people I've flagged as possible scum too? I realize there isn't much tangible evidence... however, if you put enough toothpicks together, eventually you will have a house.
What exactly made you identify them as mafia early in the game? Which actions of them were scum-motivated?
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On November 23 2012 01:13 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 01:06 phagga wrote:On November 23 2012 01:02 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 01:00 phagga wrote:On November 23 2012 00:55 marvellosity wrote:
I might as well say now, I do plan on running for party leader in the coming days if I'm around to do so. I thought you were lazy, why the change of heart? because now i feel i want to, whereas before i didn't. no particular reason other than i'm feeling it more. And why are the following quoted points no longer an issue for you? Marv once wrote:
Plus I don't feel very at home in themed setups like this. There are going to be some differences in how scum/town players act compared to normal setups, and I don't know what they are yet.
There are a few players in this game who I hold in extremely high regard (I think are better than me) and in that situation I feel somewhat insecure. If those players weren't in the game I'm pretty sure I would be standing for party leader because I'd think I knew best out of everyone playing, but I don't think that in this game. Do you think now that you know best of everyone playing? If so, why don't you run for leadership today? I'm not suddenly going to think I'm better than everyone else when I didn't before, no  But I feel quite integrated into this game by now and this helps a lot with how I feel vis-a-vis running for party leader. sandroba has question marks over his head by syllo. kitaman has done nothing to make me think he's town, plus i disagree with a few of his reads. Doesn't make him scum necessarily, but I don't trust him. syllo would as it stands get my vote next cycle too, but it might be best if power isn't that concentrated.
This does not make any sense. If (for example) Syllo and his party are successfull and live through the night, why should we not vote him next cycle? I agree that generally it is good when power is distributed over town, but I don't see what the issue is with revoting a successfull leader.
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On November 23 2012 01:29 marvellosity wrote:
I just wanna be party leader, ok? It's not something that I had to explain to myself in my head so explaining it in text is meh.
Your hunger for power is not a sufficient reason for me to vote you. Au contraire, it makes me wary of your motives.
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On November 23 2012 01:38 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 01:37 phagga wrote:On November 23 2012 01:29 marvellosity wrote:
I just wanna be party leader, ok? It's not something that I had to explain to myself in my head so explaining it in text is meh. Your hunger for power is not a sufficient reason for me to vote you. Au contraire, it makes me wary of your motives. Good job I'm not running right now then, eh? :D
Don't worry dear, I won't forget to remember the others of this tomorrow. 
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Dienosore, I would appreciate if you could answer my questions asked here
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Kush is now on my "never-play-with-him-again"-list.
@CaveJohnson I'm confused, are you Drazerk and your role name is The Chef or is your role name Drazerk?
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On November 23 2012 02:58 CaveJohnson wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 02:55 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 02:52 CaveJohnson wrote:On November 23 2012 02:51 syllogism wrote:
I don't see why you would know your success modifier and why do you think 4 is low? I assume that is a third party claim, what do you claim your win con to be? I'm town sadly you didn't answer any of his questions. Read the OP and maybe you will find I did as for why 4 is low we have already had several claims in thread mine isn't the lowest but I'm not giving up near immortality for it.
I cannot remember anyone ever claiming is success modifier.
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On November 23 2012 03:01 CaveJohnson wrote:I've seen 3s flying around I can't remember who actually said them but there have been claims
*sigh*
That was this post and he did not say his modifier is 3. Read it. Carefully.
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So you claim to have a role that does not fit into the Chrono Trigger lore?
Why did you feel the need to claim your role? Would it not have been enough to just claim your real identity?
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On November 23 2012 04:15 syllogism wrote:
The only way me providing information regarding my picks gives you more information is if mafia decides to fight harder against my election due to my team being all town. I don't find it particularly likely that mafia would have behaved any differently today, unless perhaps if I had revealed my team much earlier. Revealing the team right now or even a few hours ago would have achieved nothing as I've been pretty much inevitable for longer than that. The reasons against disclosing the team, however, still stand.
You don't need more information about me than can be found by reading my posts. I'm town and whether town reached the correct conclusion based on blind faith or deduction isn't relevant.
The problem is that we cannot hold you accountable. You might very well take a scum on your team and fail the mission on purpose.
I guess it boils down to that town is giving up a lot of control over the first event if they don't know who you want to take with you. You are claiming all power over the first team.
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On November 23 2012 04:32 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 04:31 phagga wrote:On November 23 2012 04:15 syllogism wrote:
The only way me providing information regarding my picks gives you more information is if mafia decides to fight harder against my election due to my team being all town. I don't find it particularly likely that mafia would have behaved any differently today, unless perhaps if I had revealed my team much earlier. Revealing the team right now or even a few hours ago would have achieved nothing as I've been pretty much inevitable for longer than that. The reasons against disclosing the team, however, still stand.
You don't need more information about me than can be found by reading my posts. I'm town and whether town reached the correct conclusion based on blind faith or deduction isn't relevant. The problem is that we cannot hold you accountable. You might very well take a scum on your team and fail the mission on purpose. I guess it boils down to that town is giving up a lot of control over the first event if they don't know who you want to take with you. You are claiming all power over the first team. Do you believe he's town? If you do, why do you think he would take scum along on purpose? All that really matters here is whether syllo is town or scum (or 3rd party).
Sorry, that was written in a hurry. Reading it now it seems unclear how i meant it.
I was talking hypothetically. I just wanted to line out why people might be against his handling of the party selection..
I lean town on Syllo. I am currently considering switching my vote to Syllo from Kita, not sure about it though. I will elaborate on that more, but I have work to do right now.
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