EPTI learned that in my first ever mafia game of ever. MTG. You may remember it as the one where the host made you the deck you 'requested' which was in fact a list of every sliver in the game.
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I learned that in my first ever mafia game of ever. MTG. You may remember it as the one where the host made you the deck you 'requested' which was in fact a list of every sliver in the game. | ||
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On November 20 2012 12:31 GreYMisT wrote: Oh right, thats what I need to put in my next themed game. Thanks! Slivers would actually make a sick third party, a small group which is much stronger when all of them are alive but is weakened each time a member dies. Kind of an anti cult. | ||
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On November 20 2012 12:38 GreYMisT wrote: Thats what I thought of initially, but I have a next level thing in mind for it. Will be interesting. I'm already excited for your next themed game and this one isn't even started... | ||
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On November 21 2012 10:43 Oatsmaster wrote: Night post time is awesome!! 8 am for me which is totally fine :D:D 8pm for me. Or 7 maybe, not sure with daylight savings but yeah, good time! I'm so stoked that this started right now. I have ~2 hours where I'll be around tonight. I totally thought that this thread would be full already and the game would have started earlier. Woo! So, it seems to me that we need to vote for the towniest player possible for the challenge. I think anyone who wants to be elected as party leader should announce who they will pick to work with them so that they have something which they have to stand by. I don't want mafia to be able to choose an all mafia team (or 3rd party or whatever the hell else GreY put in this game). or, if they do I'd like them to have to at least put their stances in the thread on which players seem most townie and most scummy. | ||
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Based on the fact that Acro had the same though as me and from our last game together I would currently, put him in my team, along with Acro I would add Marv (come on, wouldn't you?) and as third player I would chose Hapa. Hapa is a guy who over many games I have come to like and respect though I once hated him. He is a great town player and a kinda crappy scum player, seems like the right guy to have along for the ride. TL:DR My team: Acro, Marv, Hapa I'm curious if putting one player who seems like a liability (one of the guys known for trolling or one of the smurfs) onto the team so that we can get a read on them from their actions makes sense? It seems like we won't have lynches but knowing who scum is/is not will help town players direct any and all actions which they have and i assume making sure that non-town players not being on the quest team will be a good thing for us as the OP specifies that they can make it more difficult to achieve our objectives. | ||
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Marv and Hapa, I'd love your thoughts on the idea of whether choosing a party based on player strength or obvious d1 townieness makes more sense and why that is so. Hapa: it'd be cool if you had mentioned that first and stuff. Note how I said pre-game that I am working on my meta that was when I didn't know who I was. Not after I knew...ah well enjoy your month late turkey anyway. Not really an attack on your scum play, more a compliment of your town play. The two are so distinct because your town play is so good...you dug yourself that hole. | ||
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On November 21 2012 11:18 Oatsmaster wrote: Yes since this is my first game, you guys cant use leet haxzor skillz metareading on me  Also Prome, your meta doesnt seem to have changed a lot, still walls of text. I really dont want to do Acro suggestion right now cause most people havent even started to post yet so Im pretty sure that our supposed 'teams', if we suggest them now, will change by the end of the day. This here is why i want your team stated. that allows us, as a town, to view the evolution of your reads and gives us something to pressure you on and understand. Give us your team. I know you know some of the players in this game and, though you haven't played you have been present in some /obs qts. Would you be kind enough to share which games you have obs'd/ thanks As to my meta my goal is to move towards the walls of text full of content and away from the hanging out, fun atmosphere of my previous game. I'm a heavy poster but I want to start to tone down the amount of time I spend on mafia, my fiance hates me fore the amount of time I put into games and my goal is to be more exact with my posts, wasting them less. Kita: thanks for the links. Sandro; if this party will consist of three people you deem as clearly town why not let one of them be leader? Or the same party but with someone else leading them. What is it that makes you the best leader? All you have stated is why your party would be what it is. I also forgot that Kier was in this game, he would probably be on my team because <3, first guy to ever catch me as scum. | ||
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On November 21 2012 11:35 Keirathi wrote: Teehee <3 Also, remember, we aren't necessarily voting for the TEAM, just the leader. Then the leader chooses the team to go with him. Of course, whoever we elect for party leader has to be accountable for his choices, but just throwing out 3-4 names for a team isn't really a "read". But should the party leader change their mind on who they pick they will need to provide real reasons which should come from real reads. Just as if I were to fos someone and later call them town, you would want to know why. This game does not have a lynch mechanic, it has a leader mechanic and therefore we should use that mechanic to force people into giving reads. | ||
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If we could limit the leader voting after 24 hours to a small pool we will be able to have a more productive d1, think of this as similar to a lynch consolidation but doing it early enough that everyone still has a chance to make a difference and no votes are left on players who have no chance of becoming leader. | ||
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I mean that our leader vote mechanic is how everyone not running for leader gives reads (if I vote Z-bo as leader for instance that says "I trust Z-bo and agree with his plans for the way the party should be constructed). Party leaders need to have something for which they are accountable, it isn't their vote, instead it is the team they propose. That team is much better if it is town (the success of the mission depends on them being town) and therefore we use the mechanic to make people give town reads instead of scum reads. Is that clearer? It makes sense in my head but I'm not sure that it translates well onto paper. Oats: thanks for picking me n stuff. | ||
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On November 21 2012 11:49 Acrofales wrote: @Prom: 1. Never gonna happen: it's like a mayor campaign. Everybody who wants to be mayor will campaign regardless of what you say. 2. Gonna happen automatically: just as any votes, they will eventually gravitate to one or two players: in this case town reads instead of scumreads. 3. It's a terrible idea as it gives people an excuse to lurk (hey, they don't have to have opinions because you have excluded them from being party leaders anyway) I dissagree with you on the first point but on the third I think you are actually right. (The second is null, I'd like an early consolidation instead of a late one but that feels more stylistic than anything). I'll drop it for now but I would still like early consolidation. Even if I can't enforce it. | ||
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On November 21 2012 11:53 kitaman27 wrote: Something that I just thought of that we may be able to take advantage of later on are name claims. It seems unlikely that there are multiple versions of certain characters running around. For example, if we were to have a likely town character such as Lucca name claim, we could elect her as leader. This however is based on the assumption that the alignment in this game is tied to the alignment of the video game. Until this becomes clear, I wouldn't be confident in trying to abuse the setup like this. Also, we would have to worry about the mafia being given certain fake claims, but this is something that is less of a threat, considering the potential reward. We also have the option as town to enforce an additional party member selection vote. This limits the power of a single player, but it makes it easier for the mafia to sneak in one of their own in the 3rd of 4th slot. I think I'd rather put faith in the elected leader, to avoid the manipulation, assuming myself or my candidate of choice is elected. I think having faith in the electoral system is a good idea. We're more likely to chose one good town player as a whole than four town players individually. Whomever is elected i will support in their choice of team 100%, we as a town gain more (information and, I believe a better chance of mission success) by giving that power to one person. On November 21 2012 12:02 Clarity_nl wrote: So you're saying that you deduced that scum will know hp by flavor claims, or anything for that matter? Please explain to us idiots. I actually agree with Clarity here, I don't see how scum could know the HP associated with a name. However I also oppose a name claim currently. I hate mass claims without a reason and I don't see a reason for one right now. Sand: you haven't learned the rule "never trust GreY" Kier: would you really vote for Marv? Do you think you have the ability to meta read him well enough to know that he is town? I don't think I could and, unless someone can convince me that he is town or the person he is running against is super scummy I will NOT vote Marv. Adam, I'd love to hear anything more from you than "I'm a worthwhile player!" | ||
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Goodkarma: have you played any games since our Newbie Mini Misfortune? Hapa: what kind of player would get your vote? Not Kier, Not Marv...who? Keir: how many scum does it take to sabotage a mission? My guess is that even a single one will fuck us so a scum Marv would not need to pick any scummers. | ||
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hapa: How many games have you played with Sandro that make you aware of, and able to read, his meta? Clarity: I see your reasoning and agree with it, I just don't have that town feel from Hapa. (as Hapa knows I never have a town feel from him). Marv: what would you expect from town Hapa? | ||
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On November 21 2012 12:29 TheChronicler wrote: Scum will have to choose another person or risk showing their hand and causing the event to fail. Town can freely choose themselves since they know they'll only help with the event. Doesn't seem chaotic to me. Why is it seeming chaotic to you? This is fucking stupid. You are aware of this right? Everyone can and should pick themselves. Town know 100% that they are town and scum know that town 100% know themselves to be town so choosing anyone but themselves is butt fuck backwards. This explanation is well past pants on head. Marv: while Hapa is a cute little hedgehog he is usually a responsive one. Not getting a scum read from his behavior but I am uncomfortable with him not explaining himself and getting defensive instead. | ||
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On November 21 2012 12:37 TheChronicler wrote: You have confident reads this early? I'm taking the decision given to one person and spreading it to four. Leader can say who he's picking and give his reasons why (if he wants to), and then the three chosen can choose who they want on the team and give their reasons why (if they want to) That gives us four times the information. How is this bad? Because you have to put more effort into the game and keep track of what people are doing? Oats: you fluff post was useless. You knew it, I knew it, everyone knew it. Don't fluff. There is no need. I'm glad to see that you are adding thoughts to the thread now though. Keep that up. So, Chronicler, you do remember that you are on a Smurf and don't need to be intentionally thick to avoid the NK, right? Because I assume you are a good enough player to need a smurf so you are a good enough player to know that the things you are saying are dumb and won't work. Hapa: Nothing to explain now. Sorry, didn't word that as well as I meant to. I expected an explanation from you when you were questioned | ||
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On November 21 2012 12:53 Clarity_nl wrote: Sharing is caring? Sharing is great when votes are made, It is early in the day and allowing everyone to continue to play without knowledge of each others town reads is probably for the best. No need for scum to get a chance to plant seeds of doubt on our town reads or to keep working on rowing themselves as townies if we have green reads on them right now. You'll know my town read when I am confidant enough in it to place a vote. I'd like to learn Acro's at the same time. | ||
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After reading the last ~20 pages I have come to a conclusion as to who I want to vote. It isn't Sylo and it isn't Sand. Their abilities are, no doubt, incredible but I don't like the way Sand took over the thread early and no one challenged him. I feel that a mafia player would in fact have tried to take over. (Remember Matt's reed of Decundo in PP) as such I'll be voting away from the two of them and towards someone who I read as town right now and who is known for having good reads. ## Vote: Acro Come on boys, lets do this right and make Sand have to fight for his nomination. I'll be out again for a few hours. See ya'll soon. | ||
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