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On November 27 2012 09:38 TheChronicler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 09:32 Hopeless1der wrote:
TC has claimed Acro and I are opposite alignments. AT LEAST one of them is scum to me. I think its more likely to be Acro. I know we don't want to lose the event and that I'm probably considered more likely to be scum than TC or Acro, but I'd like to be on the party for the sake of "proving" I'm town. No. Winning the event is more important than your "proving" you're town. This reads as scum trying to get on the team to make us fail the event as a last ditch effort. We don't even have a lynch today, and Toad would be the lynch over you regardless. Acro could easily have been bussing Toad after seeing my check. I STILL can't wrap my head around why he would claim in thread. What scum would do something like that, though?
If I was bussing Toad, I was doing so way before your check.
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I took no damage tonight. Seems whatever hit me did a total of 50 damage.
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I agree with the reasoning to spread the gifts around, assuming we even get them every event.
I'm fine with either Keir or Clarity being leader this time round. Voted for Keirathi.
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On November 27 2012 09:59 TheChronicler wrote:
So we only have 4 people we can possibly bring today.
Party should be
Keir, Dei, Syllo, Clarity
No. Can't take Dino and Clarity both.
Keir, Syllo, Dieno/Clarity and either Djodref or Chronicler would be my choice.
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Who'd you check this cycle, Chronicler?
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On November 27 2012 10:12 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 10:10 Keirathi wrote:On November 27 2012 10:06 Hapahauli wrote:
I would like to run for party leader
My party will be Dienosaur, Kei, and either Chronicler or Acro
If you for whatever reason do not feel safe with Chronicler/Acro, I can add Oatsmaster in that slot.
Why you can trust me
I think the parties I proposed above are as near confirmed town as we can get in this situation. Given this player pool, you can trust me. Why? Because if we failed the mission, I would be holding a neon-sign saying "LYNCH ME." This is suicidal for me to do as scum. I see no reason to put 2 non successful party members in the party today (You, and Chronicler/Acro). And, you couldn't replace Acro/Chronicler with Oats. The only possible way you could replace them would be with syllo. Oh I totes confused names for some reason. Yes Syllo instead of Chronicler/Acro. Whaddya think? I'm in a position where I'm not under suspicion, and I (as hypothetical scum) would only have everything to lose by presenting myself like this.
I'm not strongly opposed to you going along. I still prefer Djodref or Chronicler. I see no reason for you to be leader, though. Whatever these events do, it might be worthwhile to scum to sacrifice one to fail the event. We don't seem to be getting many lynches and already have Toad's head on the chopping block.
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On November 27 2012 10:17 Dienosore wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 10:12 TheChronicler wrote:On November 27 2012 10:10 Dienosore wrote:
Alright guys, I'm going to run for group leader again unless it's obviously clear I should vote for someone else. I was healed last night, so I'm not really that scared of dying anymore.
Here is my proposed group:
Oats/Syllo/Keirathi
Unless I missed something, we are still in 2300ad, so Robo(oats) will probably continue to be beneficial to the party. Syllo is a shoo-in based on his performances d1/d2. Keirathi has expressed his desire to be in the group so he may use his abilities and was cleared on d1 group.
Any objections? Suggestions? You can't use Oats. OHH, just read the 1.5 thing. Ok well then I retract my candidacy for this cycle. As much as I'd like to get masamune working again by winning as party leader (just a guess), I think it would be better for Oats to be in the group while it's still his era. Not sure who I want to vote yet. I think I'm going to let things simmer a touch before I place my vote this time.
We're at the end of time, not 2300.
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Also, if every cycle is one hop in time, this game is gonna take one helluva long time  From here it's to 1000 AD, then 600 AD, 1000 AD again, then prehistory, quick stop in 1000 AD again, then back to 600 AD (where Dieno might get his sword), prehistory again, and that's only as far as I have gotten into Chrono Trigger so far.
Maybe we get lynches in 1000 AD?
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On November 27 2012 10:19 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 10:15 Promethelax wrote:On November 27 2012 10:12 Hapahauli wrote:On November 27 2012 10:10 Keirathi wrote:On November 27 2012 10:06 Hapahauli wrote:
I would like to run for party leader
My party will be Dienosaur, Kei, and either Chronicler or Acro
If you for whatever reason do not feel safe with Chronicler/Acro, I can add Oatsmaster in that slot.
Why you can trust me
I think the parties I proposed above are as near confirmed town as we can get in this situation. Given this player pool, you can trust me. Why? Because if we failed the mission, I would be holding a neon-sign saying "LYNCH ME." This is suicidal for me to do as scum. I see no reason to put 2 non successful party members in the party today (You, and Chronicler/Acro). And, you couldn't replace Acro/Chronicler with Oats. The only possible way you could replace them would be with syllo. Oh I totes confused names for some reason. Yes Syllo instead of Chronicler/Acro. Whaddya think? I'm in a position where I'm not under suspicion, and I (as hypothetical scum) would only have everything to lose by presenting myself like this. you have nothing to lose at all. Note how Toad confirmed himself as scum and is still around. NO ONE VOTE TOAD! I want to vote Toad purely out of spite. No one is confirmed anything except for marv and kush. Hey Toad, you still need a vote to prevent damage?
IF you're town, this woud be playing directly against your own wincon. So think about that.
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On November 27 2012 10:24 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 10:23 Acrofales wrote:Also, if every cycle is one hop in time, this game is gonna take one helluva long time From here it's to 1000 AD, then 600 AD, 1000 AD again, then prehistory, quick stop in 1000 AD again, then back to 600 AD (where Dieno might get his sword), prehistory again, and that's only as far as I have gotten into Chrono Trigger so far. Maybe we get lynches in 1000 AD? im not that well versed in chrono but how important would dieno be in terms of the game? Like should it be a super important goal for him to survive as long as possible?
Well, so far he is the main character from 600 AD, which has had the most important plot elements so far. Of course I don't think I'm even halway through the game yet. He's not as important as Crono obviously. However, I really doubt Greymist balanced this game around the main characters roleclaiming, so I doubt he has stuff we cannot live without.
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On November 27 2012 10:38 Dienosore wrote:##Vote: DienosoreAlso, here is my daily dmg report and notable claims: + Show Spoiler +
thechronicler - 150 dmg, his ability was ineffective
hopeless1der - 75 dmg
hapahauli - 50 dmg
promethelax - 25 dmg, was roleblocked
toad - got shot, but minimal dmg
acrofales - negated 50 dmg to himself
kitaman no sidegame
thechronicler claims acro and hopeless are opposite factions
Eh? I never claimed that. What I said is that I didn't take damage. Therefore whatever was hitting me for two cycles had stopped and done a total damage of 50 (20 the first night, 30 the second).
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On November 27 2012 11:01 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 10:37 Promethelax wrote:On November 27 2012 10:32 Djodref wrote:On November 27 2012 09:56 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 27 2012 09:49 Acrofales wrote:On November 27 2012 09:32 Hopeless1der wrote:
TC has claimed Acro and I are opposite alignments. AT LEAST one of them is scum to me. I think its more likely to be Acro. I know we don't want to lose the event and that I'm probably considered more likely to be scum than TC or Acro, but I'd like to be on the party for the sake of "proving" I'm town. Dafuq? Like seriously. DAFUQ? I cannot get my head around how mindblowingly stupid this post is. 1. OPPOSITE alignment. Unless you have reason to believe there are 2 scumteams, that means 1 of us is town, the other scum OR 1 of us is town, the other 3rd party, OR 1 of us is scum and the other 3rd party. It *might* be possible for 2 third parties to be considered "opposite alignment". No clue on the specifics there. So no, there is AT MOST 1 scum between you and me. For the record, that scum is you. 2. You think? Really? I KNOW I'm not scum. I don't have to "think that it may perhaps be slightly more likely that I am not scum", because I fucking know it. This overly cautious phrasing is you claiming scum, because you cannot figure out a town mindset. 3. Yeah, trolololol. Lets fail the event, because Hopeless1derp wants to "prove" he's town. Once again, thinking like a townie? Failed. Miserably I might add. Verdict: scumPS. The failure to think like a townie is what I caught this guy on in Acme, so it even fits his meta. I know I'm town. I'm only proving it to the rest of you. You're a dead man upon my flip, as I'm sure you're aware. What do you think about the possibility of one of you being framed, or even the possibility for TheChronicler to lie ? it is physically impossible for all three of TC, Acro and Hope to be town. TC says that he is town and one of Acro/Hope is scum. Acro has a check witch confirms another of TC's checks so for him TC and Acro must be town while Hope must be scum. For Hope he must be town and either TC is a liar, and therefore scum, or Acro is scum. What about frames ?
And third party? People not thinking this through and drawing premature conclusions are making me sad.
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Okay, turns out I didn't find Prom's roleclaim crumbs after all. Weird shit:
On November 21 2012 12:35 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 12:29 TheChronicler wrote:On November 21 2012 12:27 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 21 2012 12:25 TheChronicler wrote:On November 21 2012 11:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
random fluff post,
Lotta Brazilians :O Useless. Don't post like this. On November 21 2012 12:14 Clarity_nl wrote:
I do not have any kind of read on anyone yet. He would be a good choice because if he's scum it'll show comparatively to his town play. Who is he? I'm assuming Hapa. ---------------------------------------------- I'd like to be the party leader. I'm an unknown (hopefully) and no one will make stupid bullshit meta reads on the leader that would probably be worse than a coin flip. That's pretty much the only reason I want to lead. I don't even want to pick who will be the three on my team, which takes me to the next part of my pitch, and something I hope whoever is leader uses. If I'm leader I don't want to choose the three people with me. I want to choose three people to choose three people who will be on the team. They can choose themselves if they'd like. Why do this? Because it gets us more information. If I'm not chosen leader I'd like the person who IS chosen to implement this system. We still get information from who the leader chooses, AND we get information based upon who the three chosen people choose. What in the actual fuck. Sure it's information but it's information impossible to decipher. Odds are you'll hit a scum somewhere in your massive pit of chaos but how will you tell the difference between him and the townie who just happened to get it wrong. Scum will have to choose another person or risk showing their hand and causing the event to fail. Town can freely choose themselves since they know they'll only help with the event. Doesn't seem chaotic to me. Why is it seeming chaotic to you? This is fucking stupid. You are aware of this right? Everyone can and should pick themselves. Town know 100% that they are town and scum know that town 100% know themselves to be town so choosing anyone but themselves is butt fuck backwards. This explanation is well past pants on head. Marv: while Hapa is a cute little hedgehog he is usually a responsive one. Not getting a scum read from his behavior but I am uncomfortable with him not explaining himself and getting defensive instead.
Why hedgehog? It is not an idiom I am familiar with (such as puppy). I thought this was a crumb for something.
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On November 27 2012 15:37 syllogism wrote:
Oh there is basically a red check on Acro. Don't worry hopeless, I got your back.
You switching your brain off this game is not helping anybody.
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On November 27 2012 20:40 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 20:28 syllogism wrote:
Having done that, he is pretty much "guilty" of all the things you have done, except he hasn't shown the same kind of interest in the game as you have done. He supported sandroba on day 1 and was reluctant to lynch him on day 2. He hopped on TheChronicler wagon, but did not care about Toad. A lot of useless setup speculation and questions with no clear purpose. It's pretty damning but I think for now hammering on a single point isn't actually helping, you guys don't seem to be getting anywhere anyway. If it was a regular game I wouldn't want you to stop but since we don't get that many lynches perhaps it's better to make a single comprehensive case and leave it at that or focus on other things for now and revisit this on a lynch day.
We have a lynch target. It's Toad. Given that finding a party is pretty easy, and we have our next lynch cycle lined up as well, what do you propose we talk about? I actually agree with Syllo that everybody giving this game a rest for the next 24 hours or so would be good. I woke up this morning to 4 pages of back and forth arguing between Hapa and Prom, that, in my mind did absolutely nothing productive (it gave me LI flashbacks, which I assure you is NOT a good thing if you're town). Then Syllo started. It was slightly more productive, but even if we have reason to believe Prom is scum, he can't be lynched for an eternity yet, so it's really pointless and all this arguing is leading to confirmation bias from everybody involved.
Take a break, I say.
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Why on earth did we make you party leader? You took Clarity without even reading his filter carefully?!
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Okay, the numbers are bothering me.
On November 25 2012 10:05 GreYMisT wrote:10
Someone said this may have come late, because the daypost came late. However, I really don't think that's the case. The number came half an hour after the post.
On November 25 2012 20:42 Hassybaby wrote:Delayed message from Grey (I was asleep ._.) 9
On November 25 2012 20:55 Hassybaby wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 20:45 Promethelax wrote:
okay guys, those of you who have played CT. Any idea what a countdown has to do with anything?
how delayed? Just under an hour now. Was supposed to be at 20:00 KST
Time between the two: 10 hours, or if we need precise: 595 minutes.
On November 26 2012 07:59 Mementoss wrote:8
Time between the two: 12 hours, or more precise: 719 minutes.
On November 26 2012 21:52 Mementoss wrote: 7
Time between the two: 14 hours, or more precise: 833 minutes.
On November 27 2012 09:06 GreYMisT wrote:6
Time between the two: 11 hours, or more precise: 674 minutes.
It is now coming up on 15 hours since the 6 was posted.
I see no sensible pattern here. Hassy's post implies that the timing was preordained, so not dependent on something happening in the thread. If this is either a puzzle, or something we will have to respond to, it is worthwhile figuring it out. I see no reason to post the numbers unless we are supposed to do something with them (although the "what" may only become apparent later).
My role gives no hints at all. Anybody else have a clue?
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Anybody need to kill the Golem Overlord? Chronopedia mentions he has a countdown. That is the only one I can find.
Fuck it, lets try
##kill Golem Overlord
Note, I do not have this ability in my role pm and have no clue whether it'll work or not, but it's the only thing related to a countdown I can find. It is pure speculation.
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On November 28 2012 00:21 Djodref wrote:
Ok, I'm going to follow marv last advice and use some KISS.
Toad is scum.
Iamp and Clarity are both town with protective roles.
TheChronicler is town and says his truth.
Prom is town and says his truth.
Acro is 3rd party and Hopeless is town/scum.
If Hopeless is town then Z-Bo might be scum.
Adam is more likely to be town than scum.
I'm very uncomfortable with VE.
There is some 3rd party or scum among kita and CJ ?
Except the part concerning Prome, would anybody agree or disagree on some points ?
Is this your not-so-subtle way of asking me whether I'm third party?
I think your Hopeless Zbo conditional is stretching the association a bit. Also Zbo might be scum regardless of Hopeless' flip. I don't see his case as particularly indicative of alignment: Zbo was catching some pressure and making a case is a good way of getting out from pressure. I, and probably many other people, were very suspicious of Hopeless. If Hopeless is scum, then this would be a pretty good opportunity to bus.
I don't think anybody can disagree on how you feel about VE. They might feel differently, though. Personally, I agree and feel there's a good chance of him being scum. He keeps saying "sorry I'm not contributing" and jumping out of the thread for the next 24 hours again. Hard to tell, though, it's VE.
I see no reason to heap Kita and CJ together. I fail to see a link between them.
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Shit. You people, can't you keep your conclusions about survivors to yourselves?
Seeing as the cat's pretty much out of the bag, I confirm I'm 3rd party. My wincon is to survive and do some stuff that I am not telling anybody about. I promise that the extra stuff is in town's best interest. Not saying anything more, because I suspect there are other people out there who have to kill me. Otherwise Drazerk's solution to playing a survivor will always work: claim D1 and go AFK (or in this case, claim D1 and help town to figure out how to fulfill the other part of my wincon, THEN go AFK).
This is also immediately the reason I don't want to be on a party. I asked Greymist whether my influence counts with town or scum, or whether I could choose. He told me that I cannot choose and that he's not saying what my influence counts as. I have no way of knowing my hidden influence factor. So.. no. There is no contradiction between my not wanting to be on the party and being really surprised at Keirathi's claim.
Think about it, though: scum was probably not feeling too comfortable on D3. D1 went town's way, D2 went further town's way. Why would they NOT want to take any opportunity to get on the party? Claiming not wanting to be on the party would be a ridiculously stupid move, unless you think scum is so afraid of being caught out through the party mechanic that they are going to hide all game while town figures them out and kills them one by one on the few lynch days we get?
Oh, I can claim some other stuff: I have a load of one-shot abilities, but don't know what they do. Part of my suspicions of Drazerk are founded on this: he claims to be able to figure out what his abilities do before using them. I am unable and have to use them and pray. I can make an educated guess using common sense and some help from the chronopedia to figure out what is likely, but I cannot know for certain. Not giving ability names either, as they are 100% linked to my character name.
On D1 I used an ability that I thought would mason me with 3 other people. Instead it did 75 damage to each of them. I hit Sandroba, Dienosore and BioSC with it. I wanted to chat with Sandroba and BioSC to figure out if they were scum or not. I wanted to chat with Dienosore about setup-related stuff that largely got resolved in the thread.
I already said what I did D2.
D3 I cannot reveal, as it says too much about me. This is the only one I breadcrumbed, though, so if I ever feel safe in claiming my name in full, you will be able to check it.
@Hopeless1derp: I have called you an idiot too many times this game, already, but here goes again. On the offchance you are really town (which I really don't think): you're an idiot. OF COURSE you want Lavos to appear when scum is dead. Fairly certain killing Lavos with scum alive is going to be harder than killing him with scum dead. It doesn't look like there's much opportunity to kill scum, so wasting whatever abilities you have to kill scum on me is beyond ridiculous. I also have rather a lot of HP and things that I really really suspect are heals.
There is 0 point to killing me and I am helping town as best I can. I have done more scumhunting than pretty much anybody except Marv. I was wrong on Sandroba, so /shrug. However, I DID find Toad. If you prefer I shut up and go afk for the rest of the game, say so. I am happy to leave you derps derping it up. This time I don't give a shit if the endgame has Kushes Fubas and Proms in it: I just need to not get killed once I have completed my other condition, which I am fairly confident I can do without your help.
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