Chrono Trigger Mafia - Page 18

On December 05 2012 15:53 syllogism wrote:
However, 450 is a weird amount of damage to take. Did anyone else target me?

On December 05 2012 15:45 Adam4167 wrote:


I find it more likely to be some kind of poorly executed bus attempt. I cannot see any way for it to be coming from a town-brain.

Strong town read on marv? Really? If marv hadn't told be beforehand he wasn't gonna take this game seriously, I would have gone with scum read on marv. He spends a ton of time arguing with cave fellow for no reason at all, the guy is and has been a lost cause since he began posting. He's not nearly as active and as involved as his other games. He's not willing to run for party. I've reread his filter and there is nooooo way you can get a town read on marv that fast, with that kind of bad reasoning. Someone else had a town fast, with zero reasoning. Especially SNB, who's played with him a ton of times.

SnB's filter though seems pretty much like his town filter from last game, in terms of low activity and post coutn, but I haven't played with him much. Marv, do you have any meta read on him?

On December 05 2012 16:58 syllogism wrote:
It's also worth noting that none of the flipped mafia, sandroba aside, have had an ability that could in any way be interpreted as inflicting fire damage. Sandroba's fire based ability deals damage over 4 cycles, so fireproof coating would only prevent 100 damage (since it lasts for two cycles). That sure is an amazingly useless ability to have, Hapa.

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The really dodgy ones, imho are:

Kita's damage to CJ that is not backed up by CJ's claim.
CJ's betrayal where nobody claims he was hit by his own spell, or even claims to have targeted CJ.
Hapa's flame protection.
Zbo not claiming anything at all ever.

The other players have at least a plausible story in combination with the mechanics they claim.

On December 06 2012 01:22 Acrofales wrote:

I have not seen any fire damage. Sandroba's dot is possibly related to that but even that doesn't specify it's fire damage. It *might* be related to Lavos, but then the wording you have seems too obtuse: why would Greymist drop 1 hint to 1 person about this?

In other words, your claim is just plain weird. That's why it's dodgy. I have you as town because I thought your defense was genuine the last time you got into trouble. I thought your tunneling GK was also genuine. However, both can be faked by good scum.

So yes, the claim is dodgy. That doesn't automatically make you scum, it just means there's something that needs explaining.

On December 06 2012 01:23 Acrofales wrote:
Oh, if we're trying to explain the unexplainable: what the hell was that countdown?

On December 06 2012 01:26 syllogism wrote:
By the way I attempted to rb+track VE on n2, so if I was, hypothetically, targeted by a flamethrower, that would explain why Kita took 50 damage since VE allegedly used his guessing game ability on kita.

On December 05 2012 22:39 phagga wrote:
I've calmed down. My temper sometimes gets the best of me when I feel attacked/manipulated, guess I went a bit overboard yesterday. Sorry for that.

I'll reevaluate some of my reads. Regarding risk, I've written yesterday that from his behaviour early game, i don't think he is scum. I am however worried by his heavy lurking for the last 5 days and his unwillingness to participate. I will look into this as well.

For the time being:
##Vote: Goodkarma

On December 06 2012 01:47 Hapahauli wrote:
Syllo, can we take care of this "you being suspicious of me" thing right now? Because we have a situation where the last two flipped scum (SnB + VE) have both attempted to put heavy suspicion on me in their filters. Combined with the points I've made earlier (my actions regarding Toad in particular), how on earth do you not see that I'm town at this point?

None of the flipped scum have attempted to put significant suspicion on each other in the thread (save clear bussing attempts), and for some reason you think that this pattern was completely defied in my case.

On December 06 2012 02:40 syllogism wrote:
How did hapa take 100 damage on n2 then? I guess it's possible he took 175, but how

On December 06 2012 01:47 Hapahauli wrote:
Syllo, can we take care of this "you being suspicious of me" thing right now? Because we have a situation where the last two flipped scum (SnB + VE) have both attempted to put heavy suspicion on me in their filters. Combined with the points I've made earlier (my actions regarding Toad in particular), how on earth do you not see that I'm town at this point?

None of the flipped scum have attempted to put significant suspicion on each other in the thread (save clear bussing attempts), and for some reason you think that this pattern was completely defied in my case.

On December 06 2012 03:03 Acrofales wrote:

If I say that, it is ridiculously easy to guess my rolename.

On December 06 2012 03:09 Acrofales wrote:

Absolutely true. The fact that I took 0 damage for a few cycles despite claiming is making me less paranoid about there being someone wanting to kill me. However, if there are more SnB-like abilities out there, I prefer they hit other people than me. Call it a survivor mentality

On December 06 2012 03:18 Promethelax wrote:


Magnus makes way more sense. His secondary would be to be included in a party or to outlast frog. Both of those make sense lore wise and have been accomplished.

On December 06 2012 01:47 Hapahauli wrote:
Syllo, can we take care of this "you being suspicious of me" thing right now? Because we have a situation where the last two flipped scum (SnB + VE) have both attempted to put heavy suspicion on me in their filters. Combined with the points I've made earlier (my actions regarding Toad in particular), how on earth do you not see that I'm town at this point?

None of the flipped scum have attempted to put significant suspicion on each other in the thread (save clear bussing attempts), and for some reason you think that this pattern was completely defied in my case.

On December 06 2012 03:23 Acrofales wrote:
The point of my claim was so you guys could use the claimed abilities when trying to solve the game, not so you can indulge in pointless speculating about my name, which will get you nowhere as I won't confirm or deny anything.

On December 06 2012 06:02 syllogism wrote:
I've to say it's a really stupid claim to make if he is mafia (don't blame him though, I would want this to end by this point as well), but still as a town aligned player you would absolutely love to "confirm" your actions by healing players instead of using a shield. None of his actions so far are actually confirmable and healing is strictly better than shielding.

It's a cry for help, maybe we should lynch him today.