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Also, I was healed and my damage shot went through to VE (though meaninglessly I suppose) | ||
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This lynch comes down to Phagga or one of the trolls to me. Phagga's recent posting makes me think he's town (speculating that SnB could flip third party, wanting to lynch GK over SnB, etc). I have no idea what to make of Drazerk, and I read risk as pretty scummy. | ||
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On December 05 2012 09:20 Promethelax wrote: I'm not a big fan of Risk's play. I'd love a transcript of the qt though to judge for myself. I don't get why Syllo won't share it with us. My only reservation with Risk is that he's often a very easy mislych in games that he's town. However in this game, his play just feels waaaay to clean from what I've seen of his game. It looks like he's really trying to be careful and blend in. But at this point it's process of elimination. I have reasons to think just about every other player (save Drazerk) is town/third-party. Risk... not so much. | ||
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On December 05 2012 09:24 kitaman27 wrote: Do you get the feeling that he is playing careful or not playing at all? Could you give examples that made you lead to this conclusion please? Well in town games I've seen him play (i.e. Liquid City), he really didn't give much of a shit about the game, and was posting seemingly "scummy" things left and right. At one point he posted something like "I'm going to wait after the Night Deadline to make a case on (playername) because I'm lazy". In this game, he's inactive per usual, but his play is remarkably... clean. He has none of those stupid comments that plague his other games. He's also feels more detatched than normal. But also his actions line up really well with what I'd expect mafia to do: Day 1) Strong early support for Sandroba. Then switches to GoodKarma (who has Sandroba on his team). Day 2) Strong early vote on Sandroba He also voted both SnB and Toad quickly and decisively. His SnB vote also reads as pretty weird to me: On December 03 2012 17:00 risk.nuke wrote: ##Vote strongandbig Hapas first ability sound like bogus. The second sound like scum. This kind of post is what I feel scum would make. He votes SnB without a word of the previous pages of conversation, then calls me scum. Being so willing to jump on another player in such a situation strikes me as scummy. Furthermore, both SnB and VisceraEyes have pushed suspicions on me fairly aggressively, and it lines up real neat with a mafia "strategy." | ||
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On December 05 2012 10:12 goodkarma wrote: This flip provides an abundance of information. Kita can be nearly "confirmed" as not scum by simply asking around and confirming that no one else was playing the guessing game the days he claimed to be + Show Spoiler + (I mean maybe they opted not to use their ability multiple nights so he could do this but I find that incredibly unlikely and suboptimal...) Cave claimed to take headbutt one night. I'm actually not inclined to buy into this as "confirmation" he isn't scum. Headbutt has the unique ability of hardly doing any damage at all. The other of strong's abilities can only be used when a role name is known, making strong effectively in a position of uselessness if he doesn't have a role to go off of. I could completely picture Cave fake claiming headbutt, or even actually taking 1HP headbutt damage + Show Spoiler + (on a night where scum didn't have a role name to target) If VE's afk lurk modkill is any indication, scum is disheartened and have given up on this game. Looking for the last one (assuming 5 scum setup) may be as easy as seeing who else has stopped caring. In this context, I can understand how some have decided risk is a good lynch candidate for today. However, I still have reservations. Did it occur to anyone else how absolutely crazy it would be for a mason-type role to be scum-affiliated? I have yet to see this in a game... That aside, I've already discussed how I feel about a risk lynch. I'm still against it. I will be reassessing my reads either tonight or tomorrow morning and making my case for who I feel we should lynch. Can you post the logs from the QT (especially those regarding risk). Also, Mad Men Mafia had some sort of mafia-mason from what I remember. | ||
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Haven't you found risk's behavior regarding the circle rather odd? On November 30 2012 02:07 risk.nuke wrote: I saw it as more valuable to try and create a town masoncircle. I adviced GK not to claim in the qt but he did it anyway. After that I only wanted to invite near-confirmed townies. First off, inviting near confirmed towns to a circle is really pointless. If the purpose of a mason circle is to get extra information, what information would you need from confirmed townies? Secondly... why would he invite you? What reasons does he have for believing that you were town based on your early game play? | ||
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On December 05 2012 10:26 goodkarma wrote: Another question worth asking is: If risk is really scum, why would he use his abilities to mason more townies when he could be smashing them in the face with his damaging ability? This doesn't make sense to me... Well does he have a damaging ability? We don't know that for sure. Also, the circle from what I understand is you, risk, and Syllo. Why hasn't he added anyone else to the circle since? Perhaps he's using other abilities and whatnot. | ||
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Thanks! @ Hopeless I posted my thoughts earlier. I really don't see how Z-Boson was scummy at all. Nor do I see any scumminess in austin's play. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382922¤tpage=307#6133 | ||
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59 risk7nuke 11-27-2012 10:43 AM ET (US) I invited Goodkaram because I had a townread on him. The mainreason I picked him over others were the way his posts were logical and constructed so I deemed we'd be able to have good discussion in this qt. It never really got to that due to mutual distrust and time difference. There is more to my role, I wasn't intending to claim this but I don't think it matter holding it back now. I am a conditioned vigilante. I am a fighting robot. Instead of inviting someone to my tent I can attack one player in my tent for 200 damage. Also, Syllo get your head of your arse please. Whether you like it or not you're a leader to this town now. Act like one instead of a little girl bitch. This makes no sense whatsoever. Why the hell would you invite a bunch of town-reads to a circle that completely neuters your damage ability. I'm not buying it. | ||
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On December 05 2012 10:49 Hapahauli wrote: This makes no sense whatsoever. Why the hell would you invite a bunch of town-reads to a circle that completely neuters your damage ability. I'm not buying it. To add to this, if his ability is as advertised (shoots people in his tent), it makes perfect sense from a scum perspective to invite a bunch of your town-reads and pelt them with 200 dmg shots. | ||
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On December 05 2012 10:55 austinmcc wrote: Spoilers ftw. Found this informative as I'm reading through:Magus, given that you can pick him up as a party member or not, sounds like it's something Grey could work with. Either as a traitor, 3rd party, something. And we failed the Magus event. Has anyone namechecked Drazerk and Acro? Stuff like magus being ripe for flavor in this game + us failing the event + 'hai guyz i got a bunch of magical powerz' gives me a bad feeling Eh. Speculating about the last role-name is pretty useless here. Really more interested to see you analyze Acro+Drazerk (risk too) rather than be suspicious of them based on an incomplete list of boss names. | ||
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I think that, unless I see a game where risk afks out as mafia, then his weird drop-off in activity points towards him being town for me. Don't think that a game as an SK is a great comparison. This is a pretty suspect way of thinking here. Just because risk hasn't late-game lurked as mafia doesn't mean he's incapable of doing it as mafia. Secondly, having a town read on someone based on late-game lurking just seems suspect in general. | ||
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On December 05 2012 11:57 Adam4167 wrote: Well that night post went about as good as one can ever go. This is why hope is pushing Austin Right now, my list looks (not-so-surprisingly) like Acros. After reading Hope's case on Z-boson and revisiting my own, I just cant see how that came out of a town player. Anyone that's more familiar with Z-BosoN, is his logic usually sound? Does he usually make decent sense when hes town? Is he at least easy to follow? Z-Bo is a newer but fairly solid player. Like anyone he's capable of making the occasional bad case, but his logic is usually sound. I saw nothing in his behavior that was deviant from his normal town play other than relative inactivity - though he replaced out so I don't think that's alignment indicative. | ||
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On December 05 2012 12:02 Adam4167 wrote: Yeah townies can be wrong, it happens. I was more asking has he done something like say someone is playing to their town meta and then in the next breath called a vigi shot on them? Oh, uh where was that? | ||
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On December 05 2012 12:10 Adam4167 wrote: Yeah I cant wrap my head around it, either way. We either have a town Z-boson that wants to vig someone who is playing to their town meta, or a scum Z-boson in some lopsided bus attempt, where he calls s&b town but still wants him dead. I don't think he's calling SnB town - he's just saying that SnB is showing some parts of his town meta. That's a lot less severe than you're suggesting IMO, and I lean to Z-Bo town in this case. Scum saying that one of their scum-buddies is showing town traits and then wanting him dead makes even less sense. | ||
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On December 05 2012 15:35 Adam4167 wrote: I missed this post earlier. With all the crap that was going on in the thread at the time (Toad v Keirathi), (Syllo v Sandro) ect, his number one scum read is someone 'showing parts of their town meta' and this warrants a vigi shot on them? I think that's insane. When I see someone showing parts of their town meta, I assume that person is most probably town and look somewhere else! Or you question them further to consolidate that town read. Its the logical thing to do - you've done it dozens of times in your mafia career (I assume). You do not make this person your number 1 scum suspect and want to blow their head off. Yeah but again, while it doesn't make much sense from a town perspective, it makes even less sense from a scum perspective. Like that's the most nonsensical way ever to bus a teammate. | ||
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On December 05 2012 15:31 syllogism wrote: Oh wait, I guess risk didn't actually invite VE last cycle as he promised and instead punched me. The punch just doesn't do 200 damage. That's what I'm thinking. His circle + ability makes no sense from a town perspective given how he used it. Makes plenty of sense from a scum perspective though. | ||
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