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Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
November 25 2012 23:14 GMT
#3321
On November 26 2012 08:13 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2012 08:11 Z-BosoN wrote:
Hopeless, my love, in the voting count you just posted, where do you see sandroba?

Quote the voting thread with you voting syllogism, before the current cycle.


Great, and where do you see the votes on sandroba?
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 25 2012 23:14 GMT
#3322
On November 26 2012 08:12 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2012 08:11 Promethelax wrote:
but 10 was at 10:05 so 10->12->14?


naw i think it was just because daypost or whatever you want to call it was late.


okay. We'll leave it again for another half a day until the next one pops up. Care to comment on anything that isn't pointless right now?
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 25 2012 23:15 GMT
#3323
On November 26 2012 08:13 Z-BosoN wrote:
And so marv is gonna choose to ignore me. hm


naw, i just missed it. i'll have a proper look now.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-25 23:16:07
November 25 2012 23:15 GMT
#3324
I fucked up the day 1 vote count by the way
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 25 2012 23:16 GMT
#3325
On November 26 2012 08:14 Promethelax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2012 08:12 marvellosity wrote:
On November 26 2012 08:11 Promethelax wrote:
but 10 was at 10:05 so 10->12->14?


naw i think it was just because daypost or whatever you want to call it was late.


okay. We'll leave it again for another half a day until the next one pops up. Care to comment on anything that isn't pointless right now?


not if you're going to be a dick, no
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
November 25 2012 23:16 GMT
#3326
On November 26 2012 08:12 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2012 08:11 Promethelax wrote:
but 10 was at 10:05 so 10->12->14?


naw i think it was just because daypost or whatever you want to call it was late.


does not work. Day 3 post was at 9.30, but should have been at 09.00 that makes 11 hours for the first circle, 12 for the next. However, IF countdown should have started with the deadline (because it's part of a player ability), we would get the 12 hours.

alas, it's all speculatoin, let's wait for 7, then we will know more.
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
November 25 2012 23:17 GMT
#3327
EBWOP cycle, not circle
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 25 2012 23:18 GMT
#3328
On November 26 2012 08:16 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2012 08:14 Promethelax wrote:
On November 26 2012 08:12 marvellosity wrote:
On November 26 2012 08:11 Promethelax wrote:
but 10 was at 10:05 so 10->12->14?


naw i think it was just because daypost or whatever you want to call it was late.


okay. We'll leave it again for another half a day until the next one pops up. Care to comment on anything that isn't pointless right now?


not if you're going to be a dick, no


not even being a dick (right now). But lets leave our speculation by the wayside and talk about how you feel about Acro who will 'negatively affect any party he is in' but doesn't believe Kier when he says essentially the same thing.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 25 2012 23:18 GMT
#3329
On November 26 2012 08:08 Hopeless1der wrote:
So, I'm trying to look into the Day 1 voters for sandroba, as he's the only confirmed scum to far.

IN ORDER, the votes for sandroba went:
risk.nuke
Hopeless1der
Acrofales
kushm4sta
Z-Boson

Note that Z-Bo's vote somehow got counted towards syllogism. Use his filter in the voting thread, he never voted for syllo, but that's where his vote ended up. Possibly mod error, possibly someone's ability.
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 23 2012 07:36 Mementoss wrote:
Vote Count

Kitaman27 (5): CaveJohnson, Kitaman27, Promethelax,phagga, strongnbig

Goodkarma (1): risknuke

Hapahauli (3): Hapahauli, Iamperfection, Clarity_nl,

Dienosore (1): Dienosore

Syllogism (14): Toadesstern, Acrofales, BioSC, Hopeless1der, djodref, keirathi, goodkarma, Adam4167, Syllogism, Oatsmaster, Marvellosity, TheChronicler, zboson (red for emphasis), sandroba

Remember that voting is mandatory.

All votes must be in by Thursday, Nov 22 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)



I think it is very likely that at least 1 scum gave support to sandroba for party leader before the swap to syllo.
During the lynch cycle, the following players voted to lynch sandroba that had previously voted him to be party leader:
  • risk.nuke
that is all.

Acro and Z-Bo voted for Toad, I parked my vote on TheChronicler and then lurked.
To me, that points to one of me, Acro or Z-Bo being scum, and considering draz's moment of inspired thought:
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 26 2012 02:10 CaveJohnson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2012 02:01 risk.nuke wrote:
On November 26 2012 01:46 Hopeless1der wrote:
On November 26 2012 01:38 Djodref wrote:
On November 26 2012 01:24 risk.nuke wrote:
On November 26 2012 00:36 Djodref wrote:
On November 26 2012 00:26 risk.nuke wrote:
On November 26 2012 00:22 Djodref wrote:
On November 26 2012 00:19 risk.nuke wrote:
Why am I like a ghost in these games. Even when I run for leader I am mostly ignored.


I think it's because you are not active enough
I won't vote for you by the way, there are some people that I trust more. I understand how you feel if it can do any good to you.

It doesn't do me any good, you're free to vote for whoever you want but even if you don't want to vote for me you can still comment on me for everyone's benefit.


Well, I would not vote for the following reasons
  • The waiting game you have played yesterday with your vote on Sandro, nice way for not contributing during a lynch day
  • The way you answered kitaman suspicions towards you ("scummy post from a scummy player")
  • The fact that you are not active enough, I expect a party leader to have some leadership
  • The fact that you take syllo and TheChronicler in your team. Dieno and Oats is better than syllo and Oats. TheChronicler is meh....



I have been active and don't get into sementics, would you had approved if I had said. I'm not going to take my vote of the scummiest player just because he's avoiding the thread.

Kitaman had done squat all game which is more then enough to justify the title of scummy behaviour when he showed up with a pisspoor case against me.

As I said I don't think Dia is a good addition to the team. Do you believe there are no repercussions to prevent town from beating the game using claims? And in addition to that he's lost the majority of his hp. Hypothetically what if a condition is if a teammember has less then x hp the mission will fail, or maybe it will fail and kill him.

Syllo is by far better then both oats and dia, I've considered keith being better then oats aswell. And chronicler is very likely town. He's the one who copchecked toad so unless you think scum is trading 1for1 you shouldn't doubt him.


@risk.nuke

You have not been as active as marv for example. I would have liked if you have participated more in the scum hunt during D2. Toad was not so difficult to find for example... (Correct me if I'm wrong but I assumed that you were familiar Toad here)

Ok, fair enough.

Ok, that's speculating. I have more faith in a town Dieno than in a town syllo, and that's all what matters for me. Anyway, if we present 4 town members, the event is going to succeed for sure I guess. Easy enough imho...

What do you mean by "better" ? I'm only caring about the fact that they are more confirmed town.

TheChronicler could have bussed Toad with a fake cope claim. The only thing that indicates a town TheChronicler is this copeclaim...

you think acro faked his copclaim as well?

Acro claimed 1-shot cop on a person who had just been busted by another cop claim. I think it's very convenient.


09:30 - Flip
09:51 - Acro's first post after flip
10:32 - TC's roleclaim and his first post after flip
13:20 - Acro's roleclaim

Why would anyone believe Acro? the only interesting thing is he gave us an actual role name but if I was scum in that situation I would know to throw toad under the bus.

Doing it after TC's role claim was pointless. If you get a red flip you claim ASAP 1-1 trades are always good for town. No exceptions. Acro's claim SHOULD have been before TC's if it was real.

I would go after Acro before Z-Bo, presumably once both Toad and I end up dead for being way more likely to be scum.


Something to consider with the day one vote analysis is that there was a certain point where it seemed pretty likely that Sandroba and Syllo would select each other for their party. At this point, as mafia, I would want to throw my vote on syllo, since it would make it look like I would be voting for a town candidate, while supporting a mafia objective.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 25 2012 23:18 GMT
#3330
On November 26 2012 08:15 Mementoss wrote:
I fucked up the day 1 vote count by the way

zzz. Is that to say that Z-Bo should have been voting sandroba?
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 25 2012 23:19 GMT
#3331
On November 26 2012 08:15 Mementoss wrote:
I fucked up the day 1 vote count by the way


Specify please
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 25 2012 23:19 GMT
#3332
On November 26 2012 08:15 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2012 08:13 Z-BosoN wrote:
And so marv is gonna choose to ignore me. hm


naw, i just missed it. i'll have a proper look now.


Z-Bo, although I'm inclined to be lazy right now because we have our lynch for tomorrow (presuming we have one) I would say from the tone of his posts Hopeless is probably town.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 25 2012 23:23 GMT
#3333
marv, do you find z-bo's response to my post to be overly defensive? I called him scum by association due to his vote, and he basically tells me I'm lying.
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
November 25 2012 23:23 GMT
#3334
On November 26 2012 08:19 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2012 08:15 marvellosity wrote:
On November 26 2012 08:13 Z-BosoN wrote:
And so marv is gonna choose to ignore me. hm


naw, i just missed it. i'll have a proper look now.


Z-Bo, although I'm inclined to be lazy right now because we have our lynch for tomorrow (presuming we have one) I would say from the tone of his posts Hopeless is probably town.


We got our lynch and shit, but I really think we should focus on other reads.
I disagree with you that he's town because of his posts alone, as I've stated he has shown quite some mafia mentality.

Also, do you think sand was bussed?? Phagga and I seem to disagree on this.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 25 2012 23:23 GMT
#3335
On November 26 2012 08:18 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2012 08:08 Hopeless1der wrote:
So, I'm trying to look into the Day 1 voters for sandroba, as he's the only confirmed scum to far.

IN ORDER, the votes for sandroba went:
risk.nuke
Hopeless1der
Acrofales
kushm4sta
Z-Boson

Note that Z-Bo's vote somehow got counted towards syllogism. Use his filter in the voting thread, he never voted for syllo, but that's where his vote ended up. Possibly mod error, possibly someone's ability.
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 23 2012 07:36 Mementoss wrote:
Vote Count

Kitaman27 (5): CaveJohnson, Kitaman27, Promethelax,phagga, strongnbig

Goodkarma (1): risknuke

Hapahauli (3): Hapahauli, Iamperfection, Clarity_nl,

Dienosore (1): Dienosore

Syllogism (14): Toadesstern, Acrofales, BioSC, Hopeless1der, djodref, keirathi, goodkarma, Adam4167, Syllogism, Oatsmaster, Marvellosity, TheChronicler, zboson (red for emphasis), sandroba

Remember that voting is mandatory.

All votes must be in by Thursday, Nov 22 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)



I think it is very likely that at least 1 scum gave support to sandroba for party leader before the swap to syllo.
During the lynch cycle, the following players voted to lynch sandroba that had previously voted him to be party leader:
  • risk.nuke
that is all.

Acro and Z-Bo voted for Toad, I parked my vote on TheChronicler and then lurked.
To me, that points to one of me, Acro or Z-Bo being scum, and considering draz's moment of inspired thought:
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 26 2012 02:10 CaveJohnson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2012 02:01 risk.nuke wrote:
On November 26 2012 01:46 Hopeless1der wrote:
On November 26 2012 01:38 Djodref wrote:
On November 26 2012 01:24 risk.nuke wrote:
On November 26 2012 00:36 Djodref wrote:
On November 26 2012 00:26 risk.nuke wrote:
On November 26 2012 00:22 Djodref wrote:
On November 26 2012 00:19 risk.nuke wrote:
Why am I like a ghost in these games. Even when I run for leader I am mostly ignored.


I think it's because you are not active enough
I won't vote for you by the way, there are some people that I trust more. I understand how you feel if it can do any good to you.

It doesn't do me any good, you're free to vote for whoever you want but even if you don't want to vote for me you can still comment on me for everyone's benefit.


Well, I would not vote for the following reasons
  • The waiting game you have played yesterday with your vote on Sandro, nice way for not contributing during a lynch day
  • The way you answered kitaman suspicions towards you ("scummy post from a scummy player")
  • The fact that you are not active enough, I expect a party leader to have some leadership
  • The fact that you take syllo and TheChronicler in your team. Dieno and Oats is better than syllo and Oats. TheChronicler is meh....



I have been active and don't get into sementics, would you had approved if I had said. I'm not going to take my vote of the scummiest player just because he's avoiding the thread.

Kitaman had done squat all game which is more then enough to justify the title of scummy behaviour when he showed up with a pisspoor case against me.

As I said I don't think Dia is a good addition to the team. Do you believe there are no repercussions to prevent town from beating the game using claims? And in addition to that he's lost the majority of his hp. Hypothetically what if a condition is if a teammember has less then x hp the mission will fail, or maybe it will fail and kill him.

Syllo is by far better then both oats and dia, I've considered keith being better then oats aswell. And chronicler is very likely town. He's the one who copchecked toad so unless you think scum is trading 1for1 you shouldn't doubt him.


@risk.nuke

You have not been as active as marv for example. I would have liked if you have participated more in the scum hunt during D2. Toad was not so difficult to find for example... (Correct me if I'm wrong but I assumed that you were familiar Toad here)

Ok, fair enough.

Ok, that's speculating. I have more faith in a town Dieno than in a town syllo, and that's all what matters for me. Anyway, if we present 4 town members, the event is going to succeed for sure I guess. Easy enough imho...

What do you mean by "better" ? I'm only caring about the fact that they are more confirmed town.

TheChronicler could have bussed Toad with a fake cope claim. The only thing that indicates a town TheChronicler is this copeclaim...

you think acro faked his copclaim as well?

Acro claimed 1-shot cop on a person who had just been busted by another cop claim. I think it's very convenient.


09:30 - Flip
09:51 - Acro's first post after flip
10:32 - TC's roleclaim and his first post after flip
13:20 - Acro's roleclaim

Why would anyone believe Acro? the only interesting thing is he gave us an actual role name but if I was scum in that situation I would know to throw toad under the bus.

Doing it after TC's role claim was pointless. If you get a red flip you claim ASAP 1-1 trades are always good for town. No exceptions. Acro's claim SHOULD have been before TC's if it was real.

I would go after Acro before Z-Bo, presumably once both Toad and I end up dead for being way more likely to be scum.


Something to consider with the day one vote analysis is that there was a certain point where it seemed pretty likely that Sandroba and Syllo would select each other for their party. At this point, as mafia, I would want to throw my vote on syllo, since it would make it look like I would be voting for a town candidate, while supporting a mafia objective.


kita, I'm not sure how true this is. syllogism pretty much opened saying that he'd prefer to be lazy with standing for party leader and let sand do it.

But in practically his next post he starts having a go at sandroba for not wanting to scumhunt day 1. Also syllo never suggested sand would be in his party. I think actually from quite early on that the likelihood of syllo selecting sand in his party was actually pretty low.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 25 2012 23:24 GMT
#3336
On November 26 2012 08:23 Z-BosoN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2012 08:19 marvellosity wrote:
On November 26 2012 08:15 marvellosity wrote:
On November 26 2012 08:13 Z-BosoN wrote:
And so marv is gonna choose to ignore me. hm


naw, i just missed it. i'll have a proper look now.


Z-Bo, although I'm inclined to be lazy right now because we have our lynch for tomorrow (presuming we have one) I would say from the tone of his posts Hopeless is probably town.


We got our lynch and shit, but I really think we should focus on other reads.
I disagree with you that he's town because of his posts alone, as I've stated he has shown quite some mafia mentality.

Also, do you think sand was bussed?? Phagga and I seem to disagree on this.


I imagine there were mafia both on and off his wagon
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
November 25 2012 23:25 GMT
#3337
On November 26 2012 08:23 Z-BosoN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2012 08:19 marvellosity wrote:
On November 26 2012 08:15 marvellosity wrote:
On November 26 2012 08:13 Z-BosoN wrote:
And so marv is gonna choose to ignore me. hm


naw, i just missed it. i'll have a proper look now.


Z-Bo, although I'm inclined to be lazy right now because we have our lynch for tomorrow (presuming we have one) I would say from the tone of his posts Hopeless is probably town.


We got our lynch and shit, but I really think we should focus on other reads.
I disagree with you that he's town because of his posts alone, as I've stated he has shown quite some mafia mentality.

Also, do you think sand was bussed?? Phagga and I seem to disagree on this.


Wait, I'm not saying Sand was not bussed generally, I just said I doubt that GK was scum bussing Sand.
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 25 2012 23:25 GMT
#3338
On November 26 2012 08:23 Z-BosoN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2012 08:19 marvellosity wrote:
On November 26 2012 08:15 marvellosity wrote:
On November 26 2012 08:13 Z-BosoN wrote:
And so marv is gonna choose to ignore me. hm


naw, i just missed it. i'll have a proper look now.


Z-Bo, although I'm inclined to be lazy right now because we have our lynch for tomorrow (presuming we have one) I would say from the tone of his posts Hopeless is probably town.


We got our lynch and shit, but I really think we should focus on other reads.
I disagree with you that he's town because of his posts alone, as I've stated he has shown quite some mafia mentality.

Also, do you think sand was bussed?? Phagga and I seem to disagree on this.


What does that mean, all people on sand are confirmed town? I don't see where you're going with this. There's no way to know, yeah some scum probably bussed him and some probably didn't
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
November 25 2012 23:25 GMT
#3339
On November 26 2012 08:23 Hopeless1der wrote:
marv, do you find z-bo's response to my post to be overly defensive? I called him scum by association due to his vote, and he basically tells me I'm lying.


Dude, you're lying, I didn't vote for syllo. You can't even see the vote count you posted doesn't have any votes on syllo. A quick look at the voting thread will show you that I voted for sand.
I'm saying the truth, while you are being lazy and trying to make it seem like you are scumhunting.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 25 2012 23:25 GMT
#3340
On November 26 2012 08:23 Hopeless1der wrote:
marv, do you find z-bo's response to my post to be overly defensive? I called him scum by association due to his vote, and he basically tells me I'm lying.


well, if z-bo was actually voting syllo, you would be lying, whether you meant to or not
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