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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
November 25 2012 23:02 GMT
#3301
On November 26 2012 08:00 Promethelax wrote:
okay, every ten hours


If by '10' you mean '12', then yes
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
November 25 2012 23:03 GMT
#3302
On November 26 2012 07:59 marvellosity wrote:
oh noes!


So you are around!
What of hopeless?
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 25 2012 23:03 GMT
#3303
No, he means 10. Pull out your calculator, boys.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
November 25 2012 23:03 GMT
#3304
My current preferred party:

Dienosore - Target of the bulk of the day one kp, sucessful on day one.

Oats - Successful on day one, role matches the era, claims to have bused sandroba and syllo, which explains the damage that wasn't making sense to me on sandroba.

Kitaman27 - I was the first person to oppose sandroba's election. I brought up my experience with sandroba in a previous election game to show how he can change his scum meta when he has something he wants. When syllo and sandroba were intent on bringing each other along, I brought up how the mafia would be content with either selection. I've been the target of 3 different anti-town roles. There was some amount of push to get me lynched yesterday with sandroba on the block.

Prom - After the day post, he votes sandroba right off the bat, which matches up with the knowledge he would have that sandroba visited syllo. While his role claim came later in the cycle when sandroba was going to likely be lynched, it probably sealed his fate. As far as I can tell, his mass roleblock role was only one use. If this is the case, I disagree with syllo's assessment that the role would be overpowered for town. Prom, if this isn't the case, please claim.

I don't think Marv should be selected. We know that he visited syllo, but we don't have a confirmation of his healing role. Yesterday, he came out looking quite poor leading the opposition lynch on myself, while switching to sandroba only when it was clear he wasn't returning. I don't see how he is considered one of the top four players in terms of towniness so far this game.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
November 25 2012 23:04 GMT
#3305
that's because you don't know what you're talking about, kita <3
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 25 2012 23:05 GMT
#3306
On November 26 2012 08:03 kitaman27 wrote:
My current preferred party:

Dienosore - Target of the bulk of the day one kp, sucessful on day one.

Oats - Successful on day one, role matches the era, claims to have bused sandroba and syllo, which explains the damage that wasn't making sense to me on sandroba.

Kitaman27 - I was the first person to oppose sandroba's election. I brought up my experience with sandroba in a previous election game to show how he can change his scum meta when he has something he wants. When syllo and sandroba were intent on bringing each other along, I brought up how the mafia would be content with either selection. I've been the target of 3 different anti-town roles. There was some amount of push to get me lynched yesterday with sandroba on the block.

Prom - After the day post, he votes sandroba right off the bat, which matches up with the knowledge he would have that sandroba visited syllo. While his role claim came later in the cycle when sandroba was going to likely be lynched, it probably sealed his fate. As far as I can tell, his mass roleblock role was only one use. If this is the case, I disagree with syllo's assessment that the role would be overpowered for town. Prom, if this isn't the case, please claim.

I don't think Marv should be selected. We know that he visited syllo, but we don't have a confirmation of his healing role. Yesterday, he came out looking quite poor leading the opposition lynch on myself, while switching to sandroba only when it was clear he wasn't returning. I don't see how he is considered one of the top four players in terms of towniness so far this game.


The moment you try to explain why you're towny you're in major wifom territory. I think prom is an odd choice.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
November 25 2012 23:06 GMT
#3307
On November 26 2012 08:05 Clarity_nl wrote:
The moment you try to explain why you're towny you're in major wifom territory. I think prom is an odd choice.


At least I'm not one of these players that's insisting that they don't want to be part of a party, which is incredibly strange. I feel I've done enough to warrant a selection.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
November 25 2012 23:07 GMT
#3308
so what do you think of Acro, kita? (the one today who said he didn't want to be in a party)
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 25 2012 23:08 GMT
#3309
On November 26 2012 08:02 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2012 08:00 Promethelax wrote:
okay, every ten hours


If by '10' you mean '12', then yes


I'm pretty sure I mean 10.

Kita: my role is not one use. There are some restrictions on when it can be used though.
Why are you the only guy with a town read on me in this game? what is it you think you see?
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 25 2012 23:08 GMT
#3310
So, I'm trying to look into the Day 1 voters for sandroba, as he's the only confirmed scum to far.

IN ORDER, the votes for sandroba went:
risk.nuke
Hopeless1der
Acrofales
kushm4sta
Z-Boson

Note that Z-Bo's vote somehow got counted towards syllogism. Use his filter in the voting thread, he never voted for syllo, but that's where his vote ended up. Possibly mod error, possibly someone's ability.
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 23 2012 07:36 Mementoss wrote:
Vote Count

Kitaman27 (5): CaveJohnson, Kitaman27, Promethelax,phagga, strongnbig

Goodkarma (1): risknuke

Hapahauli (3): Hapahauli, Iamperfection, Clarity_nl,

Dienosore (1): Dienosore

Syllogism (14): Toadesstern, Acrofales, BioSC, Hopeless1der, djodref, keirathi, goodkarma, Adam4167, Syllogism, Oatsmaster, Marvellosity, TheChronicler, zboson (red for emphasis), sandroba

Remember that voting is mandatory.

All votes must be in by Thursday, Nov 22 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)



I think it is very likely that at least 1 scum gave support to sandroba for party leader before the swap to syllo.
During the lynch cycle, the following players voted to lynch sandroba that had previously voted him to be party leader:
  • risk.nuke
that is all.

Acro and Z-Bo voted for Toad, I parked my vote on TheChronicler and then lurked.
To me, that points to one of me, Acro or Z-Bo being scum, and considering draz's moment of inspired thought:
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 26 2012 02:10 CaveJohnson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2012 02:01 risk.nuke wrote:
On November 26 2012 01:46 Hopeless1der wrote:
On November 26 2012 01:38 Djodref wrote:
On November 26 2012 01:24 risk.nuke wrote:
On November 26 2012 00:36 Djodref wrote:
On November 26 2012 00:26 risk.nuke wrote:
On November 26 2012 00:22 Djodref wrote:
On November 26 2012 00:19 risk.nuke wrote:
Why am I like a ghost in these games. Even when I run for leader I am mostly ignored.


I think it's because you are not active enough
I won't vote for you by the way, there are some people that I trust more. I understand how you feel if it can do any good to you.

It doesn't do me any good, you're free to vote for whoever you want but even if you don't want to vote for me you can still comment on me for everyone's benefit.


Well, I would not vote for the following reasons
  • The waiting game you have played yesterday with your vote on Sandro, nice way for not contributing during a lynch day
  • The way you answered kitaman suspicions towards you ("scummy post from a scummy player")
  • The fact that you are not active enough, I expect a party leader to have some leadership
  • The fact that you take syllo and TheChronicler in your team. Dieno and Oats is better than syllo and Oats. TheChronicler is meh....



I have been active and don't get into sementics, would you had approved if I had said. I'm not going to take my vote of the scummiest player just because he's avoiding the thread.

Kitaman had done squat all game which is more then enough to justify the title of scummy behaviour when he showed up with a pisspoor case against me.

As I said I don't think Dia is a good addition to the team. Do you believe there are no repercussions to prevent town from beating the game using claims? And in addition to that he's lost the majority of his hp. Hypothetically what if a condition is if a teammember has less then x hp the mission will fail, or maybe it will fail and kill him.

Syllo is by far better then both oats and dia, I've considered keith being better then oats aswell. And chronicler is very likely town. He's the one who copchecked toad so unless you think scum is trading 1for1 you shouldn't doubt him.


@risk.nuke

You have not been as active as marv for example. I would have liked if you have participated more in the scum hunt during D2. Toad was not so difficult to find for example... (Correct me if I'm wrong but I assumed that you were familiar Toad here)

Ok, fair enough.

Ok, that's speculating. I have more faith in a town Dieno than in a town syllo, and that's all what matters for me. Anyway, if we present 4 town members, the event is going to succeed for sure I guess. Easy enough imho...

What do you mean by "better" ? I'm only caring about the fact that they are more confirmed town.

TheChronicler could have bussed Toad with a fake cope claim. The only thing that indicates a town TheChronicler is this copeclaim...

you think acro faked his copclaim as well?

Acro claimed 1-shot cop on a person who had just been busted by another cop claim. I think it's very convenient.


09:30 - Flip
09:51 - Acro's first post after flip
10:32 - TC's roleclaim and his first post after flip
13:20 - Acro's roleclaim

Why would anyone believe Acro? the only interesting thing is he gave us an actual role name but if I was scum in that situation I would know to throw toad under the bus.

Doing it after TC's role claim was pointless. If you get a red flip you claim ASAP 1-1 trades are always good for town. No exceptions. Acro's claim SHOULD have been before TC's if it was real.

I would go after Acro before Z-Bo, presumably once both Toad and I end up dead for being way more likely to be scum.



On November 26 2012 07:57 Promethelax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2012 07:48 Hopeless1der wrote:
On November 26 2012 07:43 Dienosore wrote:
haha, so does this mean toad is going to take 500 dmg bcz no is voting for him?

He says that since Oats placed a vote at some point during day 1 he didn't take damage. The vote doesn't have to remain on him for it to negate the damage (from what Toad has said)


do you believe Toad's role claim?

I don't dismiss it completely. I feel that we have two players that claimed a cop-role with redchecks on Toad, and that needs to be followed through next time we can get a lynch, but on the chance that he's telling the truth, I don't want him taking 500 points of needless damage. Unless it actually kills him, it won't really matter since we'd be lynching him next, right? I'm trying to cover my bases for the 'just in case' scenario. I don't see a significant downside to what I did, even if Toad is scum.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
November 25 2012 23:09 GMT
#3311
On November 26 2012 08:08 Promethelax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2012 08:02 marvellosity wrote:
On November 26 2012 08:00 Promethelax wrote:
okay, every ten hours


If by '10' you mean '12', then yes


I'm pretty sure I mean 10.

Kita: my role is not one use. There are some restrictions on when it can be used though.
Why are you the only guy with a town read on me in this game? what is it you think you see?


9 was at 20:00 forum time for me (or at least, it was said it was supposed to be then) it's now 08:00 forum time.

??
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
November 25 2012 23:10 GMT
#3312
On November 26 2012 08:07 marvellosity wrote:
so what do you think of Acro, kita? (the one today who said he didn't want to be in a party)


If he's town and he says he doesn't want to be selected, then we shouldn't select him.
If he's scum, then we shouldn't select him.

Therefore, we shouldn't select him

I had a town read on him day one and didn't consider him as a lynch candidate day two. There are plenty of people I'd go after before him going forward.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 25 2012 23:10 GMT
#3313
On November 26 2012 08:08 Hopeless1der wrote:
So, I'm trying to look into the Day 1 voters for sandroba, as he's the only confirmed scum to far.

IN ORDER, the votes for sandroba went:
risk.nuke
Hopeless1der
Acrofales
kushm4sta
Z-Boson

Note that Z-Bo's vote somehow got counted towards syllogism. Use his filter in the voting thread, he never voted for syllo, but that's where his vote ended up. Possibly mod error, possibly someone's ability.
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 23 2012 07:36 Mementoss wrote:
Vote Count

Kitaman27 (5): CaveJohnson, Kitaman27, Promethelax,phagga, strongnbig

Goodkarma (1): risknuke

Hapahauli (3): Hapahauli, Iamperfection, Clarity_nl,

Dienosore (1): Dienosore

Syllogism (14): Toadesstern, Acrofales, BioSC, Hopeless1der, djodref, keirathi, goodkarma, Adam4167, Syllogism, Oatsmaster, Marvellosity, TheChronicler, zboson (red for emphasis), sandroba

Remember that voting is mandatory.

All votes must be in by Thursday, Nov 22 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)



I think it is very likely that at least 1 scum gave support to sandroba for party leader before the swap to syllo.
During the lynch cycle, the following players voted to lynch sandroba that had previously voted him to be party leader:
  • risk.nuke
that is all.

Acro and Z-Bo voted for Toad, I parked my vote on TheChronicler and then lurked.
To me, that points to one of me, Acro or Z-Bo being scum, and considering draz's moment of inspired thought:
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 26 2012 02:10 CaveJohnson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2012 02:01 risk.nuke wrote:
On November 26 2012 01:46 Hopeless1der wrote:
On November 26 2012 01:38 Djodref wrote:
On November 26 2012 01:24 risk.nuke wrote:
On November 26 2012 00:36 Djodref wrote:
On November 26 2012 00:26 risk.nuke wrote:
On November 26 2012 00:22 Djodref wrote:
On November 26 2012 00:19 risk.nuke wrote:
Why am I like a ghost in these games. Even when I run for leader I am mostly ignored.


I think it's because you are not active enough
I won't vote for you by the way, there are some people that I trust more. I understand how you feel if it can do any good to you.

It doesn't do me any good, you're free to vote for whoever you want but even if you don't want to vote for me you can still comment on me for everyone's benefit.


Well, I would not vote for the following reasons
  • The waiting game you have played yesterday with your vote on Sandro, nice way for not contributing during a lynch day
  • The way you answered kitaman suspicions towards you ("scummy post from a scummy player")
  • The fact that you are not active enough, I expect a party leader to have some leadership
  • The fact that you take syllo and TheChronicler in your team. Dieno and Oats is better than syllo and Oats. TheChronicler is meh....



I have been active and don't get into sementics, would you had approved if I had said. I'm not going to take my vote of the scummiest player just because he's avoiding the thread.

Kitaman had done squat all game which is more then enough to justify the title of scummy behaviour when he showed up with a pisspoor case against me.

As I said I don't think Dia is a good addition to the team. Do you believe there are no repercussions to prevent town from beating the game using claims? And in addition to that he's lost the majority of his hp. Hypothetically what if a condition is if a teammember has less then x hp the mission will fail, or maybe it will fail and kill him.

Syllo is by far better then both oats and dia, I've considered keith being better then oats aswell. And chronicler is very likely town. He's the one who copchecked toad so unless you think scum is trading 1for1 you shouldn't doubt him.


@risk.nuke

You have not been as active as marv for example. I would have liked if you have participated more in the scum hunt during D2. Toad was not so difficult to find for example... (Correct me if I'm wrong but I assumed that you were familiar Toad here)

Ok, fair enough.

Ok, that's speculating. I have more faith in a town Dieno than in a town syllo, and that's all what matters for me. Anyway, if we present 4 town members, the event is going to succeed for sure I guess. Easy enough imho...

What do you mean by "better" ? I'm only caring about the fact that they are more confirmed town.

TheChronicler could have bussed Toad with a fake cope claim. The only thing that indicates a town TheChronicler is this copeclaim...

you think acro faked his copclaim as well?

Acro claimed 1-shot cop on a person who had just been busted by another cop claim. I think it's very convenient.


09:30 - Flip
09:51 - Acro's first post after flip
10:32 - TC's roleclaim and his first post after flip
13:20 - Acro's roleclaim

Why would anyone believe Acro? the only interesting thing is he gave us an actual role name but if I was scum in that situation I would know to throw toad under the bus.

Doing it after TC's role claim was pointless. If you get a red flip you claim ASAP 1-1 trades are always good for town. No exceptions. Acro's claim SHOULD have been before TC's if it was real.

I would go after Acro before Z-Bo, presumably once both Toad and I end up dead for being way more likely to be scum.



Show nested quote +
On November 26 2012 07:57 Promethelax wrote:
On November 26 2012 07:48 Hopeless1der wrote:
On November 26 2012 07:43 Dienosore wrote:
haha, so does this mean toad is going to take 500 dmg bcz no is voting for him?

He says that since Oats placed a vote at some point during day 1 he didn't take damage. The vote doesn't have to remain on him for it to negate the damage (from what Toad has said)


do you believe Toad's role claim?

I don't dismiss it completely. I feel that we have two players that claimed a cop-role with redchecks on Toad, and that needs to be followed through next time we can get a lynch, but on the chance that he's telling the truth, I don't want him taking 500 points of needless damage. Unless it actually kills him, it won't really matter since we'd be lynching him next, right? I'm trying to cover my bases for the 'just in case' scenario. I don't see a significant downside to what I did, even if Toad is scum.


five hundred seems to be close to the health of flipped players (~600), he could be vigged if he was dealt 500 damage (unless he is one of the way better characters).
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
November 25 2012 23:11 GMT
#3314
Hopeless, my love, in the voting count you just posted, where do you see sandroba?
phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
November 25 2012 23:11 GMT
#3315
On November 26 2012 08:09 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2012 08:08 Promethelax wrote:
On November 26 2012 08:02 marvellosity wrote:
On November 26 2012 08:00 Promethelax wrote:
okay, every ten hours


If by '10' you mean '12', then yes


I'm pretty sure I mean 10.

Kita: my role is not one use. There are some restrictions on when it can be used though.
Why are you the only guy with a town read on me in this game? what is it you think you see?


9 was at 20:00 forum time for me (or at least, it was said it was supposed to be then) it's now 08:00 forum time.

??


yes, same here. it was 12 hours from 9 to 8.
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 25 2012 23:11 GMT
#3316
but 10 was at 10:05 so 10->12->14?
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
November 25 2012 23:12 GMT
#3317
On November 26 2012 08:11 Promethelax wrote:
but 10 was at 10:05 so 10->12->14?


naw i think it was just because daypost or whatever you want to call it was late.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 25 2012 23:13 GMT
#3318
On November 26 2012 08:11 Z-BosoN wrote:
Hopeless, my love, in the voting count you just posted, where do you see sandroba?

Quote the voting thread with you voting syllogism, before the current cycle.
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
November 25 2012 23:13 GMT
#3319
And so marv is gonna choose to ignore me. hm
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 25 2012 23:13 GMT
#3320
In fact, the #9 was late, it said so in the actual post too. The numbers are 10 hours apart, meaning in 70 hours the countdown will hit 0.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
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