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On November 27 2012 13:31 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 13:27 Keirathi wrote:On November 27 2012 13:25 Hapahauli wrote:On November 27 2012 13:22 Keirathi wrote:
TC has a parity check on Acro and Hopeless. They are different alignments. Ohhhh. So Hopeless is scum then. Well guess my last thing on him was quite wrong then. I'm pretty on the fence about which one of the two are scum. I mean, a case can definitely be made for Hopeless being scum. Hell, they HAVE been made. But I could make a case that Acro is scum too :o Not to mention the fact that TC checked Acro vs Hopeless is weird as fuck to begin with. Well the check makes sense given Hopeless's rather strange attitude toward Acro (and Z-Bo). Given the two, I'd take Acro as the townie in a heartbeat. There is of course the outside chance that there's a mafia-framer type ability somewhere, but thankfully all this is after we lynch Toad ofc.
Yes, checking Hopeless makes sense. Checking him against someone who's still an "unknown" rather than against one of the near-confirmed town people is what doesn't make sense. Why not check him against, say, Dieno?
And there are just too many weird things about Acro for me to ignore.
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On November 27 2012 13:37 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 13:34 Keirathi wrote:On November 27 2012 13:31 Hapahauli wrote:On November 27 2012 13:27 Keirathi wrote:On November 27 2012 13:25 Hapahauli wrote:On November 27 2012 13:22 Keirathi wrote:
TC has a parity check on Acro and Hopeless. They are different alignments. Ohhhh. So Hopeless is scum then. Well guess my last thing on him was quite wrong then. I'm pretty on the fence about which one of the two are scum. I mean, a case can definitely be made for Hopeless being scum. Hell, they HAVE been made. But I could make a case that Acro is scum too :o Not to mention the fact that TC checked Acro vs Hopeless is weird as fuck to begin with. Well the check makes sense given Hopeless's rather strange attitude toward Acro (and Z-Bo). Given the two, I'd take Acro as the townie in a heartbeat. There is of course the outside chance that there's a mafia-framer type ability somewhere, but thankfully all this is after we lynch Toad ofc. Yes, checking Hopeless makes sense. Checking him against someone who's still an "unknown" rather than against one of the near-confirmed town people is what doesn't make sense. Why not check him against, say, Dieno? And there are just too many weird things about Acro for me to ignore. Do tell. To me he seems pretty engaged with things. I don't know what he's capable of as scum, but his filter looks pretty townie at first glance.
First, the whole One-Shot Role Cop with a red check on Toad, but doesn't claim it until AFTER TC comes in claiming a parity check with Toad being scum.
One-Shot Cop with a red check is an insanely easy way to claim towncred, especially if your teammate has already been outed and likely to be lynched. I will admit that he could have just been thinking "oh, there's no lynch today, so no real reason to claim right now" if he was town and then only claimed he also had a red check on Toad because TC had already claimed. It's hard to determine which one is more likely though, so its a minor point, but I'm paranoid 
Then, he refused to be put into the party yesterday. And refuses to explain why. I'm not the only one who thought that was fishy. Again, a minor point, but it makes me second guess my earlier town read, because I don't see much motivation for a person who knows that he is town to flat out refuse to be in the party, without giving some kind of explanation.
And then, of course, the parity check. Like I said, none of the things in and of themselves are super strong points, but how many little "weird, logically improbable" things does it take before that person becomes scum?
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On November 27 2012 14:06 iamperfection wrote:
You get a message saying you were healed if you are healed
What if you were healed and take damage in the same night though?
Like, for instance, if you take a 100 damage shot, and are healed for 50, does your message say "You were hit for 100. You were healed for 50. You lose 50 hp" or does it just say "You lose 50 hp"?
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On November 27 2012 14:29 iamperfection wrote:
You get message saying you were healed it never says by how much
My question didn't rely on knowing how much you get healed for. The question is, if you get healed and take damage in the same night, are you notified of both, or only of the net effect?
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Anyways, I've finalized my proposed party:
Me, syllo, Oats, Djodref
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EBWOP: Dieno/Clarity are interchangeable with Oats, ofc. Dunno why I picked him over the others, he was just the first to pop into my head.
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On November 27 2012 14:56 syllogism wrote:
Prom any idea why you took only 25 damage when I tried to hit you for 75?
Since you didn't answer me last night, can you do a rundown on your "Prom is scum" case?
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On November 27 2012 15:01 syllogism wrote:
Why is everyone so focused on Prom's second claim, when his first claim explains quite clearly how he knew Marvel visited me?
Did anyone besides Prom get roleblocked today?
What was his first claim? Where?
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On November 27 2012 15:02 goodkarma wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 14:51 Keirathi wrote:
Anyways, I've finalized my proposed party:
Me, syllo, Oats, Djodref This is a party I find completely acceptable. Apparently no one else is too worried about your low success modifier... I'll cross my fingers and hope that the success determination mechanic is similar to what you've said + Show Spoiler +(I find it consoling that the more I think about it the more unlikely it feels that it's anything like what I proposed...) . And I hope that your special powers from being in a party are crazy good... ##Unvote
##Vote: KeirathiFinal answer. And in case you're wondering, the largest reason is satisfaction with your party selection. Confirming Djo as town is a good move.
My powers aren't THAT good. But based on th OP, I see no reason not to take me if we are reasonably sure the last person is town. Plus, we're kind of forced into taking me now since only one person from yesterday can go, unless you want to take 2 unknowns instead of me and one unknown.
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On November 27 2012 15:09 Dienosore wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 14:51 Keirathi wrote:
Anyways, I've finalized my proposed party:
Me, syllo, Oats, Djodref How would you feel about me as leader, and we boot out Djodref? I wouldn't mind backing you up normally, but I really think I can repair my sword if I win a challenge as the leader.
Can't boot out Djo. You would have to replace Oats, because you can't both be in the party. Doesn't matter a ton to me either way, but I think it's more likely that you would repair your sword in the correct era than in the End of Time, but that's just speculation and who really knows.
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On November 27 2012 15:10 syllogism wrote:
Okay, fine. I've an ability that roleblocks+tracks at the same time. Prom initially claimed tracking sandro to me even though sandro was roleblocked. Marvel was roleblocked n1 and Prom definitely knew that he targeted me. The much more likely explanation for him knowing is that he simply has the same ability I do.
If you are more willing to instead believe that his other claimed abiltiy, which roleblocks everyone who attempts to target his target and in addition makes some kind of damage shield, I guess there's that. His actions and justifications for them make no sense whatsoever for town.
My problem is: where did he claim he was tracker? That's the part I'm missing and can't find.
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On November 27 2012 15:17 syllogism wrote:
He said he 'knew which way Sand was pointing when he was Rb'd'. His claim has evolved multiple times since then. Why would you even assume on n1 that the only roleblocked people just happened to visit me?
Put yourself in his shoes. You have an ability that roleblocks anyone who targets your target, and you use it night one on a generally accepted strong town player who just won a mayoral election. Then the next day, two people, also known as strong players, claimed to be roleblocked.
I don't think its a super unreasonable gambit to guess that they were both targeting you.
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On November 27 2012 15:25 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 15:23 Keirathi wrote:On November 27 2012 15:17 syllogism wrote:
He said he 'knew which way Sand was pointing when he was Rb'd'. His claim has evolved multiple times since then. Why would you even assume on n1 that the only roleblocked people just happened to visit me? Put yourself in his shoes. You have an ability that roleblocks anyone who targets your target, and you use it night one on a generally accepted strong town player who just won a mayoral election. Then the next day, two people, also known as strong players, claimed to be roleblocked. I don't think its a super unreasonable gambit to guess that they were both targeting you. Whatever, just read Hapa's case on him and his reactions to my suspicions. There is no way he is town. I can't believe how difficult it is to convince you people that someone who claimed something might be mafia.
I'm not saying that it's impossible that he's mafia. Hapa's case definitely has merit.
Yours doesn't, though.
Also, like I already said, we have 2 red checks to deal with first, and who knows if we'll even have 3 more lynches.
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On November 27 2012 15:28 syllogism wrote:
Wait, Prom now says his ability only roleblocks the first person who targets the player he targets and it doesn't block mafia KP?
Now that you mention it, I'm not sure about the KP thing. I remember him saying he asked the GreyMisT if his roleblocks would prevent faction KP and Grey said it didn't, but I asked GreyMisT the same question as soon as Prom first claimed his ability and I never got an answer.
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Also, FWIW: I already said this, but town Prom likes making "Big Play" gambits to attempt to catch scum in a lie/etc, which could be a town explanation for his guess that marv and syllo both targeted you.
You're right, that last statement doesn't jive with the rest of what he had been saying, so maybe I'm wrong. I'm still not sure we'll actually get 3 more lynches though, and I'm much more convinced that Toad and one of Acro/Hopeless are scum.
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On November 27 2012 16:45 syllogism wrote:
Djodref why are you answering for him?
Actually you know what, I'm done for a few days. There are no active town aligned players left in the game who make even a modicum amount of sense. It's not like we can lynch these people anytime soon and the game is going to take forever given that we are still only in 2300 AD.
Why did you have to be mafia sandro
For the love of god I hope you are wrong just so that I can rub this quote in your face post-game. Your elitist attitude is bullshit. You haven't proven that Prom is mafia, and you're not even going to fight for it? Honestly I'm glad you're checking out if that's the best you can do.
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Anyways I'm going to bed. Hopefully there will people around that would like to have rational conversation rather than just screaming "Why the fuck aren't you sheeping me? YOU IDIOTS."
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On November 27 2012 17:40 Promethelax wrote:
Oats: if Syllo had not been on the mission d1 yes, I would have a huge scum read on him for his play. As it is I know that the razor of truth suggests town but there are some contradictions in his play (saying that people who go on successful quests should not be considered confirmed town/calling himself confirmed town for being on a successful quest)and the general tunnelness of his attacks on me.
Syllo: why did you not RB/damage someone d1? You claim to have a RB/Track ability and a damaging ability and that you used them in the same night (something I believe) so why didn't you use them n1? (as evidenced by only my roleblocks going through).
OH! That's probably what syllo's problem is. He rb'd sandroba night 1. It all makes sense now.
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On November 27 2012 17:49 Clarity_nl wrote:
I am running for party leader
Why not Dieno or Oats? The answer is simple, I am still full hp! Meaning any item or ability or whatever we might get after a mission will go to the right person!
Why not Syllo? He already has an item of sorts (or so he's claimed) so it's probably best to not put him up there again. We don't know what kind of protective roles we have but so far there have only been heals and damage preventions, but not 100% damage preventions. Meaning if scum REALLY want someone dead, they can make it happen in a cycle or two. Putting both our "items" on Syllo would be irresponsible.
What is my suggested party?
I (Clarity) will be your brave leader. Please not that I cannot take Oats and Dieno with me, since marv died only 1 person out of the original 4 from last party can be taken, and that would be me.
Syllo, Party leader Cycle one, which was successful. That in combination with his mentality he has displayed all game I am willing to say I am certain he is town.
Keirathi, he was also present in the cycle one party, despite him claiming he had a "low succes modifier". This time around he's claiming he is extra useful this mission and I have no real reason to disbelieve him.
Phagga/Hapa/Djodref, one of these would be my final pick for my party. Which one? I am currently undecided. I will figure out who I would pick and then take the town's temperature on it and see where we stand. I am confident that we can make the right choice!
I'm not claiming I'm extra useful this mission :o
I get my mission bonuses in 600AD.
But none of my powers can be used unless I'm in the party. And it would be beyond dumb not to include me today anyways :p
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On November 27 2012 22:30 syllogism wrote:
I apologize if I've seemed hostile or arrogant. I do not have confidence in myself, but rather I honestly think the facts speak for themselves.
I did not expect having to argue against almost certain townies who also know that I'm town. I believe that some people are being obnoxiously dismissive of what I consider a reasonable argument. I'm struggling to understand why not only do people strongly disagree, but instead of letting the person in question defend himself they feel the need to make arguments for him. I may have somewhat overstated the case, but you should be asking Prom more questions instead of arguing with me.
You do have a reasonable argument, although I think Hapa's is stronger. But you completely ignored my counter-argument of why I had been thinking Prom was town (granted, I said it to Hapa rather than you, but point still stands).
I just don't see how the "facts" damn him to being scum. I see a possible scum explanation, and a possible town explanation, and I don't plan for this to turn into the "Shut up and sheep Syllo" show. It was like pulling teeth to even get you to explain to begin with.
I'm not sure which direction I would lean on Prom right now. right now. Mostly null, I guess. But again for the millionth time, HE'S NOT A PRIORITY TARGET. WE HAVE TWO RED CHECKS TO DEAL WITH FIRST.
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