Mario Mini Mafia - Page 7

On November 18 2012 09:05 iamperfection wrote:
s&B you said you were busy playing dota here correct? just humor me for a second

On November 18 2012 10:24 iamperfection wrote:

are you sure no extended breaks at all ????

On November 18 2012 15:57 Blazinghand wrote:
Alright well time to sit down with some filters like I promised. I'm also gonna reread the stuff I missed near the end of D2 and see what the renewed SnB push is about. If he was really faking that screenshot I would be utterly unsurprised-- it would fit with his character.

On November 18 2012 16:13 Blazinghand wrote:
Djodref, the issue isn't continued pressure on me, but the fact that you refuse to pressure anyone else. Look at it, just for a moment, from the perspective of "BH, the JK, is trying to evaluate whether Djoref, who replaced in for thrawn, is scum. He gave the dude a grace period of 72 hours to see what he could do." Now, given that, you' haven't given me much to work with. You've developed a case on me, and that's okay-- but you've also refused to really develop cases on other players. What does this tell me? Well, I called you out for it and your main addition (despite a list of reads that you haven't expanded on) has been to try to out our last blue WITHOUT HIS INPUT. And still no serious cases on other players.

You may think I'm scum, but surely you don't think it's a 100% chance. And by the way you're playing, I, and many people who do in fact not think I'm scum, can't get a townread on you. What do you want me to do, man? I'm not one to push people to acknowledge they could be wrong, but even when I am pushing a guy close to lynch time, I tell him to give out some final reads in case he flips town. I account for the possibility of being wrong.

I guess I'll put this plainly: If you don't make cases on anyone else and if continue as you are now, I'm lynching you tomorrow. End of story, you're out of the game.

On November 18 2012 11:53 iamperfection wrote:
answer my silly questions s&b

On November 18 2012 13:49 Djodref wrote:
Well, a mass claim would answer these questions
On top of that, we are likely to have a cop so more confirmed town players in the process.
The downfall is that we are going to out some blue payers but I don't think it really matters at this point. We are likely to be in a 7vs1 situation tomorrow so that mean that a scum would need 3 mislynches to win the game. It is not going to happen at all if we have the blues.

It could be a problem if we have a SK but this is 3 times less likely than a no SK situation and we could start to hunt him if we know for sure that he exists.

This game is all about information. As town, we know already for sure that

• The mafia team is composed of a GF, a goon and a scum RB
  
• We had a miller in this game
  
• We have a Vig in this game (for me it's 95% sure that Hope is Vig, I'd like to discuss it if anyone still have doubts)
  
• The setup follows the C9++ rules, with Doctors being Jailkeepers and Vigilantes being the only one-shot roles
  

I'm pretty sure that a mass claim is going to give us enough data to help us win this battle of information
And I think it's easier and faster than to look in details at more than 100 pages long game, and also a more beautiful way to solve this game (but this is personal preference ^^)
I need the VTs to claim as well by the way.

On November 18 2012 14:31 Clarity_nl wrote:


I realize you're bitter because you've been useless all game, but dying townies had a super duper town read on me.
You're in such a good position because you were the hammer vote, why don't you use it to push some actual reads.

SnB and Djo were on BH at the end? really? One of these has to be scum.... come on..... or they just really don't care.
SnB where the fuck were you?

On November 18 2012 14:41 iamperfection wrote:
s&b like wtf man you just disappear like wtf dude.

I know my little mini case on you is kind of silly with the dota thing is crazy but you could at least call it stupid. DO YOU CARE s&b.

Bh think about your action critically please i will lead the wagon of justice against you myself if you make another dumb play this game.

Also DP want to hear your thoughts in light of zbos flip is clarity who your still thinking now because i dont really see it.

djo i know you think setup speculation but please do some traditional scum hunting before dawn.

I will post updated thoughts in the 1 hour grace period like last time. I will probably be quieter tomorrow because weekends are bad for my mafia play but i will be here 100% during that grace period.

On November 18 2012 15:04 Clarity_nl wrote:
Currently the holy town trinity is iamp, hope and myself.

Currently the scum that looks to be buddying up with a scummy town to look more towny is Djo or SnB.

Currently Kickstart, Darth, debears, blazing are ALL not contributing. And it's driving me up the goddamn wall.

On November 18 2012 15:53 Blazinghand wrote:
Seriously, no VT claims. NADA. VTs are NOT allowed to claim, or even allowed to say they think the blue SHOULD claim. All this does is tell scum who the last blue is. If everyone except for one guy is like "ok, the blue should claim" and the blue doesn't claim well damn look what you did.

The only person who is allowed to claim is the blue, and after the blue claims, everyone else claims. We are not allowed to make this decision for him and the fact that anyone would take djoref even remotely seriously is bad. Nobody should even say "the blue should claim" cause this helps scum guide their shots if the blue doesn't claim. Seriously. This issue is closed.

On November 18 2012 15:39 Kickstart wrote:
I've already given my reasons on SNB, read my filter and you will find it. Djo I haven't said much about but if Thrawn were still here I'd want him gone next (originally I wanted Hopeless gone but since he claimed vig, and I have no reason to not believe the claim, I would start going after the people who I felt contributed minimally to town: snb thrawn being the top two). Now I know that Djo is a replacement so that is why I want to give him more time. But so far he has just been pushing his read on BH (and I think this mass claim is his plan to "catch" BH). But I personally don't see much reason to lynch BH yet until after some of the other people are gone.

Not sure what more you want me to expand upon.

Just take a look at this guys filter and then couple that with his votes and tell me it isn't suspicious as hell. SnB, like hopeless, never sticks his neck out on any reads and just agrees or disagrees with other peoples points. Couple that with his votes (ignore the hapa vote, it was at the VERY start of the game and it was a complete joke vote; he only votes for debears, blazinghand, and ZB). He was also oddly quiet during the pile onto hapa - while being there to laugh the most and mkae jokes afterwards??

Some reservations I have about snb is that he has gone after both hapa and hopeless postings (hapa who we know is scum and hopeless who I have the strongest read on at the moment), but scum dissing on scum isn't unheard of. Another reservation is that he has gone after BH hardcore, who I would be just as willing to lunch at this point as snb (though I would still rather go after my top read atm - hopeless).

Anyways there you have it, hopefully night actions reveal some more stuffs.

On November 18 2012 19:00 Blazinghand wrote:


Wow he really bailed hard as soon as iamp started asking him about his dota. what is the deal snb

On November 18 2012 20:31 Clarity_nl wrote:
How come there are so many lazy town in this game, but not the fucking newbies I played in.
Kickstarter, I've explained before why just sitting back and saying who you think is scummy is not enough.
Darth, you said the only person you're willing to lynch over zbo was me, make a fucking case.
Hopeless, seriously dude you are the closest we have to confirmed town, you have nothing to fear, this is the perfect time to read read read and get a read going.

I would also like everyone who voted zbo to explain why they didnt switch after his death post. Did it LOOK like a fucking WIFOM bomb? He called the towny players town and he called the scummy players scum.

On November 18 2012 22:49 Kickstart wrote:
Can we seriously end all the personal attacks this game, I guess asking this 136 pages in is a bit late but seriously it is getting annoying.

On November 18 2012 23:00 Clarity_nl wrote:
It wasn't just me saying "god you're so inactive"
It was me actually trying to make the town active as well by pointing out certain people and asking questions. If you can't tell the difference that's not my fault.

Kickstart no one has personally attacked anyone else this game.

On November 18 2012 23:16 Kickstart wrote:
SnB your posting is making no sense. First off your "scoring ez points" post was in response to clarity not me, yet then you say it was a comment that I did something scummy. wat...?





You are confusing me.

And my asking people to stop making personal attacks was not in response to anything aimed at me - after hapa and BH had their turns attacking me no one has done so again. I just think some people get a little too carried away with personal attacks. But anyways I won't talk about it anymore as it doesn't really help us find scum. But I will be messaging mods if it continues.

On November 18 2012 15:25 Djodref wrote:


@ Clarity

I think that Hope is Vig even if we obtain the proof that there is a SK with a mass claim.
Are you familiar with the C9++ setup ? If not, I recommend to have a careful look at this page. It's quite interesting and I think this is something you have to know if you want to be a better player and/or if you want to host a game sometime.

Anyway, here is the most interesting part regarding the setup, given our current situation. To sum up, the scum roles are a function of the number of "T" letters you obtain when you pick 7 letters in between the following letter probability set.
T = 1/2
D = 1/10 (in our game, the "D" letter gives us JK roles)
V = 1/10 (one-shot Vigs only)
M = 1/10 (mason and miller roles)
B = 1/20 (town RB roles)
C = 3/20 (you need two "C" letters to have one fully operational Cop in the game)

Please note that one of the letters in our rolled set for this game is M and that one other is V (Hopeless). Let's take a look at the different possibilities for the scum roles.

Scum Roles

TTTTTTT = Goon + Godfather, Serial Killer
a 7 "T" letter set is impossible because we have at least one "M"
TTTTTT = Goon + Godfather
impossible because we would already have won the game
TTTTT = Goon + Godfather, Serial Killer
This setup is possible only if one of BH or Hopeless is lying and is the remaining SK. I think we can safely discard this possibility unless we are at lylo with BH or with Hopeless. Moreover, there are only 2 mafia in this setup and no more blues on top of Hopeless and BH, even if one of them is lying. MVTTTTT or MDTTTTT if you want.
TTTT = 2 Goons + Roleblocker
impossible setup because of Bowser flip
TTT = 2 Goons + Roleblocker, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)
impossible setup because of Bowser flip
TT = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather
I think that this is the setup we are in (and it is the most likely probability-wise, something like 40%). It leaves the room for 2 or 3 more blues on top of Hopeless, information that we can be confirm with a mass-claim.
T = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)
This setup has roughly a 15% probability to happen. It can also be confirmed with a mass claim but it would leave us in a dangerous position with all the blues revealed for the SK and the remaining scum. But we would know for sure that there is a SK and start looking for him seriously. Anyway, it is less likely to happen.
0 Ts = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather
This setup has only a 5% probability to happen. We would have enough blue to outright solve the game.

Is there anything stil unclear ?
The more I think about it, the more I think that mass claiming at the end of the night is our best move but I need everyone participation. I beg you to seriously consider it.

On November 19 2012 01:24 Blazinghand wrote:
lol more setup speculation how typical

also snb is a vet like I'm a sailor

I ain't no sailor