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Hapauli. Much quieter this game. Much less present. Disappeared during all of my interaction with BH, only to appear after the claim. I don't buy his cases, especially the one on iamp. Completely ignored my first case on BH, and town Hapa usually comments on everything. In the beginning, put on some light pressure on DP, then unvoted him from some easy explanation only to never mention him again. Not a play I'd see hapa do.
I'm in school on weekdays - it's impossible for me to be more "present" than I currently am.
As for BH, I DID comment on him:
On November 14 2012 07:22 Hapahauli wrote:
Oh sniped by some cases on BH. I'll get to that in a bit.
I've always heard that BH's scum-play is notoriously bad, and he seems more fearless than I would expect from his "bad" scum play. I'll take a look at the cases, but that's my first impression of him anywho.
He claimed shortly thereafter, so it was pointless for me to comment more.
On to the rest of your stuff:
Your Town Reads:
Agree on clarity and iamperfection. Clarity seems much more engaged this game than his Newbie XXX game. Iamperfection for reasons previously stated.
Disagree on marv. I don't think he's done anything alignment indicative. He's definitely capable of doing this as scum, even though he played a more dispirited game last game. Completely null on him.
Your Null Reads:
I'm putting SnB into the town category (again POSSIBLY the SK, but I don't want to speculate too much). His play so far is such a far departure from his scumplay.
Crossfire is null (duh)
I'm getting more scum vibes from Thrawn. He's made one pretty coherent post and just peaced out. He could be afk for RL issues or something, but given that he's never played a scumgame (to my knowledge) and that we have a sudden deviation in his play, the connection is there.
Your Scumreads
Disagree with me obv, I'm town dawg
As for debears, he was one of the players willing to follow me on iamperfection, and he made one of those "overkill"/"overexplained" cases when voting him:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381440¤tpage=29#575
It reads as really artificial and a way to cover his bases. Agreed here.
I'm firmly null on DarthPunk. Hopeless is lurky, but that's normal regardless of alignment for him (null as well).
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On November 14 2012 09:43 marvellosity wrote:
top choice right now hapa?
I don't have any strong scum-reads atm, but put a gun to my head and I'd say Thrawn. I haven't seen him play a scum-game, and all of a sudden this game he's 1000x more inactive than all his other town games.
Next I would say debears for the reasons I just mentioned.
And you?
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On November 14 2012 09:47 marvellosity wrote:
i'm starting to ponder debears also
Looking at debears, there's not much to say other than there's not much substance in his 4-page filter.
Lots of short, 1/2 line posts with banter.
He jumps on Hopeless really quickly, who's one of the easier targets in the game.
He's then pretty quick to jump on iamperfection, and has been pushing that "read" since. As previously stated, his "vote post" looks like an overkill-case.
But the thing that really sticks out to me is that he's been tunneling iamperfection for the last few hours yet still has his vote on Hopeless. He's using a lot of strong language against iamperfection (much stronger than against hopeless), and from his filter it looks like iamperfection is his top scumread.
At this point he's much more content to push the read on iamperfection than his one on Hopeless, and I see no townie reason why his vote isn't where his mouth is.
##Unvote
##Vote debears
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While you're prioritizing the other game - any thoughts on recent suspicions? What are your thoughts on debears while you're at it?
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Sup crossfire!
It's obviously concerning you haven't been around, and do try and take the time to catch up. As far as "recommendations" for going through the thread - it's hard to suggest anything but to read the whole thing. I'd make sure to go through some of the longer/major cases and post your thoughts on 'em.
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Oh BH, whaddya think of debears? (my case and the other suspicions)
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Easy on the claim stuff guys - it's pointless to argue about something that already happened unless you actually think BH's claim is scummy - and it's too suicidal to be scummy IMO. He could be scum, but it's pretty unlikely.
BH - can I get your thoughts on Debears?
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Holy hell where have you been Thrawn?
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On November 14 2012 11:41 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 11:39 Blazinghand wrote:On November 14 2012 11:33 marvellosity wrote:
i agree not to carry on being mad at you if you promise not to say again a single time that your claim was a good idea. If someone asks me, I will answer truthfully, but I won't volunteer information if I don't see a need to. On November 14 2012 11:35 marvellosity wrote:
thrawn dear, where indeed have you been?
The problem is, thrawn, is that my meta read on DarthPunk is the diametric opposite to yours. from a meta perspective, yes, this is what town DP does, but the fact that he hasn't taken any stances that currently he's maintaining / is accountable for is scummy. I find him worthwhile even if Thrawn's meta case is crap. I think Thrawn comes out of this looking worse though, because he brought up a meta case that is basically false. I'd like to see more out of DP though, and so they're my two lynch targets right now. Plus you kinda for being such a drama queen. I disagree thrawn looks worse, as I know he genuinely believes in that meta read. It's not specific to this game.
I still want to know where the hell he has been. He's posted 3 times - this is unlike anything in his town games.
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On November 14 2012 11:47 Kickstart wrote:
Wowzers that was a lot to catch up on, I really tried to post before heading off to school but there was way too much to read and process. I was 100% down with lynching BH... and then he claims jk 1. I still don't like his posting before or after the claim and think that the claim did no one other than himself any good. I would love to flip him just to see, because the way I see it, at worst he is scum trying to save himself (but as stated before that would be REALLY reckless) and at best he is now deadweight.
For me the best thing I feel I have to go off of is looking at peoples votes and trying to pick out the scumvotes, and I still think the SnB bandwagon had some scum attached to it (who were basically forced to switch their votes after it being called out for what it was). Top scum read for me is still Hapa. I think he hopped on the SnB wagon, then tried to start an iamp one (with BH, so that is part of the reason I was 100% down for lynching BH and if he flipped red I would have insta voted Hapa - but then BH claimed so....), and now he is voting for debears with everyone else.2
I suppose it is time to put my vote where my mouth is, but I would like to hear other peoples thoughts on Hapa. If most others are getting scum read on him (which some people have already posted that they are) I would like to hear why, likewise if someone thinks hes town I want to hear why.
##Vote: Hapahauli
and @Hapa
No hard feelings, you have been very kind to me in your posts which I do appreciate but I can't let that influence my reads.
What in the shit? NONE of that makes any sense whatsoever.
1) So you were 100% down with lynching BH, yet never made a noise about it? You never posted about him, never acknowledged him, and just sat back and watched the fireworks? I said before - townies need to be open and active. You're doing the opposite right now.
2) So your theory is that I started a bandwagon with my "scumbuddy", however you openly acknowledge that he's the jailkeeper yet vote me anyway? NONE of that is coherent.
My vote on debears? I was early to vote him and you haven't said anything about why you disagree with my reasoning.
Explain yourself. I'd love to be patient with you but this is ridiculous.
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On November 14 2012 11:55 Blazinghand wrote:
kickstart said this over course of reading the thread just now I think, which is why he didn't make an earlier post?
He said in post that he wanted to post it "before school" (presumably earlier). This screams a "wait and see" approach.
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On November 14 2012 11:57 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 11:45 Hapahauli wrote:On November 14 2012 11:41 marvellosity wrote:On November 14 2012 11:39 Blazinghand wrote:On November 14 2012 11:33 marvellosity wrote:
i agree not to carry on being mad at you if you promise not to say again a single time that your claim was a good idea. If someone asks me, I will answer truthfully, but I won't volunteer information if I don't see a need to. On November 14 2012 11:35 marvellosity wrote:
thrawn dear, where indeed have you been?
The problem is, thrawn, is that my meta read on DarthPunk is the diametric opposite to yours. from a meta perspective, yes, this is what town DP does, but the fact that he hasn't taken any stances that currently he's maintaining / is accountable for is scummy. I find him worthwhile even if Thrawn's meta case is crap. I think Thrawn comes out of this looking worse though, because he brought up a meta case that is basically false. I'd like to see more out of DP though, and so they're my two lynch targets right now. Plus you kinda for being such a drama queen. I disagree thrawn looks worse, as I know he genuinely believes in that meta read. It's not specific to this game. I still want to know where the hell he has been. He's posted 3 times - this is unlike anything in his town games. how will me explaining my irl reasons for my low activity help you with your read on me? i specifically remember you telling me in coaching that you dislike irl excuses and you normally dismiss them as a null tell.
I'm genuinely interested 'cause you're like 99% more inactive than anything I've ever seen from one of your town games.
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But ya know what I'm dropping this 'cause I'm more interested in kickstart/debears atm. Debears has been talked about, but if kickstart votes me and peaces out for half-a-day again, it'll be tempting not to vote him.
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EBWOP: "it'll be tempting not to vote him"
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On November 14 2012 12:07 Kickstart wrote:
Blazing is right, I clearly stated on page 22 that I am sleeping now and will attempt to post before heading to school later. I wake up and there are 10+ pages to read and I did not have the time to read all that and form a proper post in ~30 minutes (you constantly saying that I post something and then peace-out is a bit annoying because every time I go to class or sleep I have explicitly stated that I was doing so). And to your second question yes I do view that as you and bh working together, that is why I said I would have auto voted you if BH flipped red otherwise would have had to really reevaluate. And I did not say I believe his JK claim???? I said it was a horrible claim and makes him "deadweight" now (3rd time saying this now...).
Your logic right now:
"I was 100% down with lynching BH... and then he claims jk"
"I still don't like his posting before or after the claim "
"I would love to flip him just to see"
...and then you vote me for starting a "bandwagon" on a player.
Yeah ok. That totally makes sense.
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On November 14 2012 12:16 Kickstart wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 10:13 Hapahauli wrote:On November 14 2012 09:47 marvellosity wrote:
i'm starting to ponder debears also Looking at debears, there's not much to say other than there's not much substance in his 4-page filter. Lots of short, 1/2 line posts with banter. He jumps on Hopeless really quickly, who's one of the easier targets in the game. He's then pretty quick to jump on iamperfection, and has been pushing that "read" since. As previously stated, his "vote post" looks like an overkill-case. But the thing that really sticks out to me is that he's been tunneling iamperfection for the last few hours yet still has his vote on Hopeless. He's using a lot of strong language against iamperfection (much stronger than against hopeless), and from his filter it looks like iamperfection is his top scumread. At this point he's much more content to push the read on iamperfection than his one on Hopeless, and I see no townie reason why his vote isn't where his mouth is. ##Unvote##Vote debears This is your post for voting debears. Your reasoning is fine and I get where you are coming from, I just view his actions differently so far. I think debears has been pressuring people and creating discussion. You fault him for hard pushing his read and creating an "over-kill" case, how is that scummy? As I said I would like other people input on how they read you and I do intend to further formulate my opinion based on whether others read you as town/scum/null
My suspicions on him are far from just the "overkill" thing. I explicitly BOLD that debears isn't voting for his top scumread. That's pretty damn scummy. What about this do you view "differently?"
Yet you ignore everything else and focus on one of the minor points in my case.
Also still waiting for your response here:
On November 14 2012 12:11 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 12:07 Kickstart wrote:
Blazing is right, I clearly stated on page 22 that I am sleeping now and will attempt to post before heading to school later. I wake up and there are 10+ pages to read and I did not have the time to read all that and form a proper post in ~30 minutes (you constantly saying that I post something and then peace-out is a bit annoying because every time I go to class or sleep I have explicitly stated that I was doing so). And to your second question yes I do view that as you and bh working together, that is why I said I would have auto voted you if BH flipped red otherwise would have had to really reevaluate. And I did not say I believe his JK claim???? I said it was a horrible claim and makes him "deadweight" now (3rd time saying this now...). Your logic right now: "I was 100% down with lynching BH... and then he claims jk" "I still don't like his posting before or after the claim " "I would love to flip him just to see" ...and then you vote me for starting a "bandwagon" on a player. Yeah ok. That totally makes sense.
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On November 14 2012 12:19 Kickstart wrote:
I am down for flipping you and BH at this point. I am not really interesting in arguing with you about it - I find the fact that I was down for voting BH and you, then after him claiming jk just voting for you to be perfectly reasonable. Again I want other people to weigh in though.
I don't. Your logic is completely disproportionate. You show every indication of wanting BH dead and are very eager about "flipping" him. You don't trust his claim, don't like his posts, don't like anything about him, then magically twist your vote on me because apparently you don't like a "bandwagon" I started. Yet you sympathize with my logic, yet disagree with it by ignoring all of my emphasized points.
It.
Makes.
No.
Sense.
And I"m having a very difficult time figuring out if you're just dense about it or you have a mafia motive for all of this.
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I'd like to have what BH is having btw. Sounds fun.
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On November 14 2012 12:33 Kickstart wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 12:25 Hapahauli wrote:On November 14 2012 12:19 Kickstart wrote:
I am down for flipping you and BH at this point. I am not really interesting in arguing with you about it - I find the fact that I was down for voting BH and you, then after him claiming jk just voting for you to be perfectly reasonable. Again I want other people to weigh in though. I don't. Your logic is completely disproportionate. You show every indication of wanting BH dead and are very eager about "flipping" him. You don't trust his claim, don't like his posts, don't like anything about him, then magically twist your vote on me because apparently you don't like a "bandwagon" I started. Yet you sympathize with my logic, yet disagree with it by ignoring all of my emphasized points. It. Makes. No. Sense. And I"m having a very difficult time figuring out if you're just dense about it or you have a mafia motive for all of this. You don't, I do - that is ok with me. Having a scum read on both you and BH and voting you over him is not as big of a leap as you are trying to make it sound. And I have not "magically twisted my vote" on you, I have given my view on you from the beginning, and unlike some - have voted once, and not by way of bandwagon.
It is "magically twisted." Apparently you think I'm scummy because I've been pushing my suspicions too well. Yeah GL with that.
That's awful. Im done with this shit
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