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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18103 Posts
Shit, wrong thread. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25553 Posts
When you posted the screenshot of your dota 2 game, you were stepping outside the bounds of the mafia game in a way that makes the game less enjoyable and warps it from what it's supposed to be. It's unsportsmanlike and I find it disappointing that you felt it was appropriate to do something like that. I hope you will refrain from such dishonorable, dishonest actions in any future games we have together-- and I understand that you didn't know what you were doing in this game. If you disagree with me on this matter, please let me know and we can discuss it. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
Anyway I agree with you Blazing but if that's the case does that make it okay for me to point out that it's weird that he was playing dota for such a short time? | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25553 Posts
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25553 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On November 28 2012 11:06 Blazinghand wrote: It's certainly not against the rules, but it's playing a game that's not mafia. Mentioning out-of-game things in game as excuses for activity is unsportsmanlike. I don't want to play a game that's about seeing if someone's excuse is real or not by trying to figure out if it's photo-shopped or it makes sense. That game isn't mafia, and it isn't what mafia should be about. I only partially agree. If I've been away for some reason or I know I'll be away, I'll say so so that the thread knows. People can take it or leave it. I'd rather just say "I'm travelling today, so I won't be around until tomorrow" than ppl go "omg marv so quiet for so long i wonder wft is up with that shizzle to the nizzle" | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
On November 28 2012 11:06 Blazinghand wrote: It's certainly not against the rules, but it's playing a game that's not mafia. Mentioning out-of-game things in game as excuses for activity is unsportsmanlike. I don't want to play a game that's about seeing if someone's excuse is real or not by trying to figure out if it's photo-shopped or it makes sense. That game isn't mafia, and it isn't what mafia should be about. If people don't want to here excuses about 'inactivity' maybe it shouldn't be brought up so damn often. I have been accused of being inactive in almost every game I have played. Often it is because of my timezone or other IRL commitments. Should I not explain why I am not in the thread whenever people call me out for it? | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25553 Posts
I think once people start photographing plane tickets and taking screenshots of dota games, though, they've crossed the line. It may not be against the rules but I find it very distasteful. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25553 Posts
On November 28 2012 11:16 DarthPunk wrote: If people don't want to here excuses about 'inactivity' maybe it shouldn't be brought up so damn often. I have been accused of being inactive in almost every game I have played. Often it is because of my timezone or other IRL commitments. Should I not explain why I am not in the thread whenever people call me out for it? Feel free to make explanations for your inactivity, I'll just read through your previous games and see if it's a normal activity level for you. If you post a photo diary of your day I'm gonna be mad though. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On November 28 2012 11:16 Blazinghand wrote: I don't think saying "I'm gonna be gone for a day" is great but at least it's something that can be analyzed and fit into a read with someone's actions. I personally ignore such statements because they are as easily made by town as by scum-- it's null. It doesn't offend me, it's just not helpful. I think once people start photographing plane tickets and taking screenshots of dota games, though, they've crossed the line. It may not be against the rules but I find it very distasteful. yeah, i just don't agree with this. like, it's supposed to be null, i'm just making a statement of fact. Obviously you can take inactivity/excuses into a larger read, but overall I much prefer warning the thread of my absences. I've never lied about my absences as either alignment and I never will. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
On November 28 2012 11:21 marvellosity wrote: yeah, i just don't agree with this. like, it's supposed to be null, i'm just making a statement of fact. Obviously you can take inactivity/excuses into a larger read, but overall I much prefer warning the thread of my absences. I've never lied about my absences as either alignment and I never will. That is also true of me and probably the majority. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25553 Posts
Screenshots and photos I will not ignore, but actively call out as against the spirit of mafia in any game I played. Mafia is a guessing game of epic proportions, not a photoshop game of epic proportions, and definitely not an honor system game of epic proportions. | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
Actually, I think this is much more in the spirit of mafia than what you suggest. Mafia how we play it is supposed to be about behavioral analysis and interpretation, and it should be limited to what goes on in the thread. Basically, in my opinion when someone starts calling me out about inactivity that was caused by other time commitments, they're the one who is bringing outside-the-game stuff into the game, and my reacting to prove my honesty is more legitimate than what they did. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
:p | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On November 29 2012 22:18 strongandbig wrote: BH, I strongly disagree. I think there needs to be a stronger norm against using people's irl time constraints or their decisions about what to do with their own free time against them, it restricts who can play mafia games unnecessarily and it makes the game more like a duty than a game. My solution to this is a personal honor system, I treat other people's excuses as legitimate and I expect them to treat mine the same way. Actually, I think this is much more in the spirit of mafia than what you suggest. Mafia how we play it is supposed to be about behavioral analysis and interpretation, and it should be limited to what goes on in the thread. Basically, in my opinion when someone starts calling me out about inactivity that was caused by other time commitments, they're the one who is bringing outside-the-game stuff into the game, and my reacting to prove my honesty is more legitimate than what they did. Doesn't this mean you're expecting scum to be honor-bound to not make up excuses for why they are practically lurking all game, since they know you'll take the excuses at face value? | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25553 Posts
Mafia should be limited to what goes on in the thread, and when you try to react to bring in out-of-thread information to prove your in-thread activities you are not playing the game because there's no real response to that. And do you really think your personal honor system makes sense? What happens when you have to choose between your honor system and playing to your win-con? Why not lie as scum? I don't buy it for a moment that your system is less restrictive than mine. I'm infinitely more honest about mafia than you are because I don't mention out-of-game stuff, I don't take photos and screenshots of things to "prove" why I was AFK and I don't derail the thread with it. I'll never be put in a situation where i have to choose between "honor" and my win-con because my philosophy, which is to ignore and treat as null (not scummy or townie) anyone's excuses prevents the out-of-game from interacting with the in-game. My case against you this game had nothing to do with your activity level, and everything to do with how you spent your time-- tunnelling me uselessly and speculating about the setup with drojef. I don't care about your explanations for being away from the thread, and I never will, except insofar as to rightfully call you out for being dishonest and unsportsmanlike when you turn Mafia into a game of Photoshop. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On November 30 2012 07:05 Blazinghand wrote: I'm infinitely more honest about mafia than you are because I don't mention out-of-game stuff, I don't take photos and screenshots of things to "prove" why I was AFK and I don't derail the thread with it. I'll never be put in a situation where i have to choose between "honor" and my win-con because my philosophy, which is to ignore and treat as null (not scummy or townie) anyone's excuses prevents the out-of-game from interacting with the in-game. That doesn't make you more honest. s&b is 100% honest about what he's done. The viewpoint you hold I wager is in the minority. As you're saying to the rest of us, you're free to hold it; but however much you want it to be it isn't more intellectually honest or superior. The fact you take such a stance is your own peculiarity, and you should recognise it as such... | ||
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