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On November 23 2012 10:03 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 09:33 Keirathi wrote:
Don't you remember what you said to me after LC when I said "meh, for all the good it did, I should have just kept my meta read [of you, proving kush was town] to myself?"
You said you were glad I shared because you wanted the opportunity to improve your own game. You should extend the same courtesy to DP, IMO! This.
it's quite hard to describe, really. just little behavioural and tonal tells. Kei knows how to read you too, ask him, ask him!
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On November 23 2012 10:02 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 09:57 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 23 2012 09:55 Clarity_nl wrote:
I begged Keir to shut you guys up when it came to setup speculation, btw.
Posted it in chrono by mistake, fml. Is that why he told us his setup generator was public?? No he waited quite a bit after I pmed, even though he was around. Maybe he just hates me?
It comes down to this:
If you setup-speculate it's your own fault.
If you let people setup-speculate, it's also your own fault.
Tell people they suck and should shut the hell up. That might help.
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Blazinghand
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On November 23 2012 10:32 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 10:02 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 23 2012 09:57 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 23 2012 09:55 Clarity_nl wrote:
I begged Keir to shut you guys up when it came to setup speculation, btw.
Posted it in chrono by mistake, fml. Is that why he told us his setup generator was public?? No he waited quite a bit after I pmed, even though he was around. Maybe he just hates me? It comes down to this: If you setup-speculate it's your own fault. If you let people setup-speculate, it's also your own fault. Tell people they suck and should shut the hell up. That might help.
Keir hates me, got it.
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On November 23 2012 08:26 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 08:24 DarthPunk wrote:
That being said. I think I should be banned or something. It is clearly against the rules to win by making others not want to play. And I'm pretty sure that is what happened here.
No, no, this is simply not a correct reflection of events.
I would have stayed until the end if I was not playing another game. I would not have enjoyed it but I may have find some satisfaction in framing you for some stupid little things.
France never conceded 
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@ debears
Could you tell me who you were going to check N2 ?
Could you also give me your real breadcrumbs ?
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On November 23 2012 11:23 Djodref wrote:
@ debears
Could you tell me who you were going to check N2 ?
Could you also give me your real breadcrumbs ?
He was checking BH night 2.
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kei can you tell me the differences in my town and scum play?
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I believe I've explained how I nailed you as scum in both of your last two scum games, didn't I?
In both games, you had a well thought out opinion that set you apart from the crowd, then backed off that opinion to push an easy target when it was convenient.
In LC, you were the first person to pressure me at all. You had a super strong, well reasoned case about why I was scum that 100% could have gotten me lynched if you stuck to it. Instead of fighting for it, though, you backed off to push kush once he started getting pressured because it was "easier".
ACME was basically the same. You gave a well-reasoned town read on kush, then when no one paid attention to it and started talking about lynching kush, you were all too happy to join in the wagon on him, despite the fact that he was still acting the same way you called him town for.
However, I can't actually say how that's different from your town play, because I'm pretty unfamiliar with reading you and deciding that you're town. I think I would need to obs a game where you're town to notice if you actually do any of those things and see if my read is right. This game doesn't count, since I already knew your alignment beforehand.
Edit: TL;DR - you do something reasonable that gives me a town vibe, then go "Oops, never mind!" and take it back to do something easier when the mood of the tread says you should
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On November 23 2012 12:47 Keirathi wrote:
I believe I've explained how I nailed you as scum in both of your last two scum games, didn't I?
In both games, you had a well thought out opinion that set you apart from the crowd, then backed off that opinion to push an easy target when it was convenient.
In LC, you were the first person to pressure me at all. You had a super strong, well reasoned case about why I was scum that 100% could have gotten me lynched if you stuck to it. Instead of fighting for it, though, you backed off to push kush once he started getting pressured because it was "easier".
ACME was basically the same. You gave a well-reasoned town read on kush, then when no one paid attention to it and started talking about lynching kush, you were all too happy to join in the wagon on him, despite the fact that he was still acting the same way you called him town for.
However, I can't actually say how that's different from your town play, because I'm pretty unfamiliar with reading you and deciding that you're town. I think I would need to obs a game where you're town to notice if you actually do any of those things and see if my read is right. This game doesn't count, since I already knew your alignment beforehand.
yeah thanks kei I'll work on that. Or just do it a bunch as town.
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On November 23 2012 13:31 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 12:47 Keirathi wrote:
I believe I've explained how I nailed you as scum in both of your last two scum games, didn't I?
In both games, you had a well thought out opinion that set you apart from the crowd, then backed off that opinion to push an easy target when it was convenient.
In LC, you were the first person to pressure me at all. You had a super strong, well reasoned case about why I was scum that 100% could have gotten me lynched if you stuck to it. Instead of fighting for it, though, you backed off to push kush once he started getting pressured because it was "easier".
ACME was basically the same. You gave a well-reasoned town read on kush, then when no one paid attention to it and started talking about lynching kush, you were all too happy to join in the wagon on him, despite the fact that he was still acting the same way you called him town for.
However, I can't actually say how that's different from your town play, because I'm pretty unfamiliar with reading you and deciding that you're town. I think I would need to obs a game where you're town to notice if you actually do any of those things and see if my read is right. This game doesn't count, since I already knew your alignment beforehand. yeah thanks kei I'll work on that. Or just do it a bunch as town.
Doing it a bunch as town is a terrible strategy
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On November 23 2012 08:49 Hopeless1der wrote:
Debears I thought the fire ball was a breadcrumb as well now that you mention it
Winner winner chicken dinner
That, and when I said Yahoo!
And when I high fived BH - I high five people who are the same alignment....not that I can use it anymore as a breadcrumb
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On November 23 2012 13:34 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 13:31 DarthPunk wrote:On November 23 2012 12:47 Keirathi wrote:
I believe I've explained how I nailed you as scum in both of your last two scum games, didn't I?
In both games, you had a well thought out opinion that set you apart from the crowd, then backed off that opinion to push an easy target when it was convenient.
In LC, you were the first person to pressure me at all. You had a super strong, well reasoned case about why I was scum that 100% could have gotten me lynched if you stuck to it. Instead of fighting for it, though, you backed off to push kush once he started getting pressured because it was "easier".
ACME was basically the same. You gave a well-reasoned town read on kush, then when no one paid attention to it and started talking about lynching kush, you were all too happy to join in the wagon on him, despite the fact that he was still acting the same way you called him town for.
However, I can't actually say how that's different from your town play, because I'm pretty unfamiliar with reading you and deciding that you're town. I think I would need to obs a game where you're town to notice if you actually do any of those things and see if my read is right. This game doesn't count, since I already knew your alignment beforehand. yeah thanks kei I'll work on that. Or just do it a bunch as town. Doing it a bunch as town is a terrible strategy
Yeah but it serves the purpose of obfuscating my meta.
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On November 23 2012 13:44 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 13:34 Keirathi wrote:On November 23 2012 13:31 DarthPunk wrote:On November 23 2012 12:47 Keirathi wrote:
I believe I've explained how I nailed you as scum in both of your last two scum games, didn't I?
In both games, you had a well thought out opinion that set you apart from the crowd, then backed off that opinion to push an easy target when it was convenient.
In LC, you were the first person to pressure me at all. You had a super strong, well reasoned case about why I was scum that 100% could have gotten me lynched if you stuck to it. Instead of fighting for it, though, you backed off to push kush once he started getting pressured because it was "easier".
ACME was basically the same. You gave a well-reasoned town read on kush, then when no one paid attention to it and started talking about lynching kush, you were all too happy to join in the wagon on him, despite the fact that he was still acting the same way you called him town for.
However, I can't actually say how that's different from your town play, because I'm pretty unfamiliar with reading you and deciding that you're town. I think I would need to obs a game where you're town to notice if you actually do any of those things and see if my read is right. This game doesn't count, since I already knew your alignment beforehand. yeah thanks kei I'll work on that. Or just do it a bunch as town. Doing it a bunch as town is a terrible strategy Yeah but it serves the purpose of obfuscating my meta.
It also serves the purpose of not being good for town. When you're town: Play to your win con, not your meta.
Your town play should affect your scum play, not the other way around.
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On November 23 2012 18:52 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 13:44 DarthPunk wrote:On November 23 2012 13:34 Keirathi wrote:On November 23 2012 13:31 DarthPunk wrote:On November 23 2012 12:47 Keirathi wrote:
I believe I've explained how I nailed you as scum in both of your last two scum games, didn't I?
In both games, you had a well thought out opinion that set you apart from the crowd, then backed off that opinion to push an easy target when it was convenient.
In LC, you were the first person to pressure me at all. You had a super strong, well reasoned case about why I was scum that 100% could have gotten me lynched if you stuck to it. Instead of fighting for it, though, you backed off to push kush once he started getting pressured because it was "easier".
ACME was basically the same. You gave a well-reasoned town read on kush, then when no one paid attention to it and started talking about lynching kush, you were all too happy to join in the wagon on him, despite the fact that he was still acting the same way you called him town for.
However, I can't actually say how that's different from your town play, because I'm pretty unfamiliar with reading you and deciding that you're town. I think I would need to obs a game where you're town to notice if you actually do any of those things and see if my read is right. This game doesn't count, since I already knew your alignment beforehand. yeah thanks kei I'll work on that. Or just do it a bunch as town. Doing it a bunch as town is a terrible strategy Yeah but it serves the purpose of obfuscating my meta. It also serves the purpose of not being good for town. When you're town: Play to your win con, not your meta. Your town play should affect your scum play, not the other way around.
ZZZ I wasn't being serious.
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On November 23 2012 18:56 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 18:52 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 23 2012 13:44 DarthPunk wrote:On November 23 2012 13:34 Keirathi wrote:On November 23 2012 13:31 DarthPunk wrote:On November 23 2012 12:47 Keirathi wrote:
I believe I've explained how I nailed you as scum in both of your last two scum games, didn't I?
In both games, you had a well thought out opinion that set you apart from the crowd, then backed off that opinion to push an easy target when it was convenient.
In LC, you were the first person to pressure me at all. You had a super strong, well reasoned case about why I was scum that 100% could have gotten me lynched if you stuck to it. Instead of fighting for it, though, you backed off to push kush once he started getting pressured because it was "easier".
ACME was basically the same. You gave a well-reasoned town read on kush, then when no one paid attention to it and started talking about lynching kush, you were all too happy to join in the wagon on him, despite the fact that he was still acting the same way you called him town for.
However, I can't actually say how that's different from your town play, because I'm pretty unfamiliar with reading you and deciding that you're town. I think I would need to obs a game where you're town to notice if you actually do any of those things and see if my read is right. This game doesn't count, since I already knew your alignment beforehand. yeah thanks kei I'll work on that. Or just do it a bunch as town. Doing it a bunch as town is a terrible strategy Yeah but it serves the purpose of obfuscating my meta. It also serves the purpose of not being good for town. When you're town: Play to your win con, not your meta. Your town play should affect your scum play, not the other way around. ZZZ I wasn't being serious.
@DarthPunk
Did you check my filter in the Looney Game or not ?
I'm curious to know if you found similar patterns between these two games ?
I was also a very lonely scum in that game :S
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On November 23 2012 19:39 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 18:56 DarthPunk wrote:On November 23 2012 18:52 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 23 2012 13:44 DarthPunk wrote:On November 23 2012 13:34 Keirathi wrote:On November 23 2012 13:31 DarthPunk wrote:On November 23 2012 12:47 Keirathi wrote:
I believe I've explained how I nailed you as scum in both of your last two scum games, didn't I?
In both games, you had a well thought out opinion that set you apart from the crowd, then backed off that opinion to push an easy target when it was convenient.
In LC, you were the first person to pressure me at all. You had a super strong, well reasoned case about why I was scum that 100% could have gotten me lynched if you stuck to it. Instead of fighting for it, though, you backed off to push kush once he started getting pressured because it was "easier".
ACME was basically the same. You gave a well-reasoned town read on kush, then when no one paid attention to it and started talking about lynching kush, you were all too happy to join in the wagon on him, despite the fact that he was still acting the same way you called him town for.
However, I can't actually say how that's different from your town play, because I'm pretty unfamiliar with reading you and deciding that you're town. I think I would need to obs a game where you're town to notice if you actually do any of those things and see if my read is right. This game doesn't count, since I already knew your alignment beforehand. yeah thanks kei I'll work on that. Or just do it a bunch as town. Doing it a bunch as town is a terrible strategy Yeah but it serves the purpose of obfuscating my meta. It also serves the purpose of not being good for town. When you're town: Play to your win con, not your meta. Your town play should affect your scum play, not the other way around. ZZZ I wasn't being serious. @DarthPunkDid you check my filter in the Looney Game or not ? I'm curious to know if you found similar patterns between these two games ? I was also a very lonely scum in that game :S
Nope. It wasn't necessary. I was convinced solely by your play in this game.
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On November 23 2012 18:56 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 18:52 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 23 2012 13:44 DarthPunk wrote:On November 23 2012 13:34 Keirathi wrote:On November 23 2012 13:31 DarthPunk wrote:On November 23 2012 12:47 Keirathi wrote:
I believe I've explained how I nailed you as scum in both of your last two scum games, didn't I?
In both games, you had a well thought out opinion that set you apart from the crowd, then backed off that opinion to push an easy target when it was convenient.
In LC, you were the first person to pressure me at all. You had a super strong, well reasoned case about why I was scum that 100% could have gotten me lynched if you stuck to it. Instead of fighting for it, though, you backed off to push kush once he started getting pressured because it was "easier".
ACME was basically the same. You gave a well-reasoned town read on kush, then when no one paid attention to it and started talking about lynching kush, you were all too happy to join in the wagon on him, despite the fact that he was still acting the same way you called him town for.
However, I can't actually say how that's different from your town play, because I'm pretty unfamiliar with reading you and deciding that you're town. I think I would need to obs a game where you're town to notice if you actually do any of those things and see if my read is right. This game doesn't count, since I already knew your alignment beforehand. yeah thanks kei I'll work on that. Or just do it a bunch as town. Doing it a bunch as town is a terrible strategy Yeah but it serves the purpose of obfuscating my meta. It also serves the purpose of not being good for town. When you're town: Play to your win con, not your meta. Your town play should affect your scum play, not the other way around. ZZZ I wasn't being serious.
Don't jest, some players like Drazerk genuinely believe that's a good thing. He plays terribly on purpose so people can't "meta" him. Don't ask.
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Blazinghand
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Can I change my story from "played this bad while trying" to "played this bad but was actually trying to play bad for weird meta reasons"
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