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On November 22 2012 22:21 Hopeless1der wrote:
btw djo, I was coming for you today and I was prepared to back DP all the way. The perfect one and I would have likely ended up at each others throats because he seemed to really want SnB. Great attempt in a horrible situation. GG everyone.
DP+Hopeless
<3 Buddies 4 lyfe <3
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On November 23 2012 08:08 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 08:04 Blazinghand wrote:
Yeah it's a lazy mindset, but that's my mindset now looking back on it. At the time, I thought ZB was scum and I lynched him. It was a mistake, but in retrospect, we weren't gonna lose anyways. But you came dangerously dangerously close to that. Djo could actually have pulled it off.
Yeah. But he would have had to fight me tooth and nail for a week to do so. I think you of all people know how uninviting a prospect that can be.
That being said. I think I should be banned or something. It is clearly against the rules to win by making others not want to play. And I'm pretty sure that is what happened here.
Also, regarding your lynch, stop being so butthurt about it. It is your job to make yourself look too townie to lynch also. The responsibility is not soley on us to see how 'obviously' town you were. YOu need to endeavour to make yourself look townie as possible so it becomes impossible to lynch you.
That being said, Whilst I understand keir's viewpoint and thought about that, what gonzaw says is true and is exactly what I would have done as scum. Which is the only point of reference I have. Add to that that both marv and Blazinghand thought you were scum at different points of the game and that you, like me, almost got mislynched day one. There is some work that needs to be done on your town game to stop you getting mislynched.
Also anyone saying that a miller claim should be treated in the same way as a miller claim is wrong. If people disagree I would love to hear their reasoning.
@clarity.
I felt your play was based on emotion rather than anything substantial. Especially with your reads on myself and djo.
also you need to work on posting less IMO. 100 pages on night one is ridiculous for a mini IMO. Many people in the obs qt complained about it.
The amount of content generated was unnecessary and hurt town IMO as it was very difficult to find anything important in the mess.
Others may have different thoughts but I think the mass posting hurt town.
hmm
If I have any other thoughts I'll jot them down.
Also I am actually burnt out BH. Don;t know why I would lie about it. I was actually going to take a break after ACME but keir asked me to join this and I <3 keir so what could I do. 
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On November 23 2012 08:17 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 08:16 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 08:14 Blazinghand wrote:On November 23 2012 08:13 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 08:13 Blazinghand wrote:
But.. town WAS already doing great. Like, that's a fact. You're welcome to dispute that fact, but it was true. In any case, Aside from me not buying your defense, what other lazy things did I do that I should avoid in the future? we're talking post 1st cycle, right? ^_^ Yeah read my comments on the last page or two. My gf's grandmother died etc ah. sorry to hear it. I'm most curious how you went from protecting DP over me night 1 to not being sure he was town later. Like, nothing significant had changed. DP pretty much had to be town because of the first cycle. DP wasn't reading the thread-- I had him as my least townie town read for that. Given that Hopeless was confirmed town and Kickstart and Iamp were both screamingly town, I think it's reasonable that DP was my least sure town read when I died.
WTF I was reading the thread. I just kept getting stuff wrong because It starts all blending together after a while. I 100% read through the thread at least once and some parts multiple times. Also whenever I posted it was quite late so I made mistakes.
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On November 23 2012 08:22 Blazinghand wrote:
Also I was just personally expressing distaste for DP, not that he should be lynched. And I did say Djoref was scummier. And he did concede as a result.
In any case I guess I should have had a stronger townread on DP but he basically didn't read the thread for a couple of days so it weakened. Djoref and SnB were still scummier for wasting all our time setup speculating so they both needed to be lynched.
Is that distaste because I was too aggressive or because I was lazy at for a couple of days?
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On November 23 2012 08:27 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 08:24 DarthPunk wrote:On November 23 2012 08:08 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 23 2012 08:04 Blazinghand wrote:
Yeah it's a lazy mindset, but that's my mindset now looking back on it. At the time, I thought ZB was scum and I lynched him. It was a mistake, but in retrospect, we weren't gonna lose anyways. But you came dangerously dangerously close to that. Djo could actually have pulled it off. Yeah. But he would have had to fight me tooth and nail for a week to do so. I think you of all people know how uninviting a prospect that can be. That being said. I think I should be banned or something. It is clearly against the rules to win by making others not want to play. And I'm pretty sure that is what happened here. Also, regarding your lynch, stop being so butthurt about it. It is your job to make yourself look too townie to lynch also. The responsibility is not soley on us to see how 'obviously' town you were. YOu need to endeavour to make yourself look townie as possible so it becomes impossible to lynch you. That being said, Whilst I understand keir's viewpoint and thought about that, what gonzaw says is true and is exactly what I would have done as scum. Which is the only point of reference I have. Add to that that both marv and Blazinghand thought you were scum at different points of the game and that you, like me, almost got mislynched day one. There is some work that needs to be done on your town game to stop you getting mislynched. Also anyone saying that a miller claim should be treated in the same way as a miller claim is wrong. If people disagree I would love to hear their reasoning. @clarity. I felt your play was based on emotion rather than anything substantial. Especially with your reads on myself and djo. also you need to work on posting less IMO. 100 pages on night one is ridiculous for a mini IMO. Many people in the obs qt complained about it. The amount of content generated was unnecessary and hurt town IMO as it was very difficult to find anything important in the mess. Others may have different thoughts but I think the mass posting hurt town. hmm If I have any other thoughts I'll jot them down. Also I am actually burnt out BH. Don;t know why I would lie about it. I was actually going to take a break after ACME but keir asked me to join this and I <3 keir so what could I do. That's funny coming from someone who makes an OMGUS case on me because I made a case on him, and posted it at a really weird time. I'm also fairly certain I'm not the only one to blame for the size of this game. That said, yes I might have overdone it with my posting. You need to realize that D2 people were giving up though, so I was trying to keep town talking, but it ended up being me and djo a lot.
WTF?!? OMGUS lol? I made a case against you day one. I VOTED for you before you even mentioned me, I thought you were scummy day one. It was not OMGUS at all...
Also if you are worried about peoples contributions, drowning out everything else in useless spam is not the way to go about it. And shutting down people who actually try to get back in the game because you don;t like what they have to say is not the way either.
You are right though. I think BH spammed to much and Djo did too for obvious reasons.
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On November 23 2012 08:32 Dandel Ion wrote:Yo, BH, if you need pointers on how to deal with ppl after somebody they're close to died/got sick/.. , that's something I have experience in I kid. + Show Spoiler +About the being able to give pointers part. Experience, I do have. DP don't be silly. Maybe you're not nice to people, but really, who fucking cares. The parts you need to work on are things like this: Show nested quote +Also anyone saying that a miller claim should be treated in the same way as a miller claim is wrong. If people disagree I would love to hear their reasoning. Like, wtf is wrong with you?!?!?
Ugh I meant JK same as miller. Yeah I make typos like that a lot. generally because it is very early very late or I am quickly posting in the midst of doing other things. I should probably proof read my posts.
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On November 23 2012 08:36 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 08:34 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 23 2012 08:32 Blazinghand wrote:
But definitely not because you were aggressive, aggressive DP is town dP He's aggressive as both alignments. But his play as town is very different as town and as scum in some way I'll leave marv to explain  And give away my secrets?! There was one other thing - although debears got bizarrely sniped, he wasn't checking Djodref that night, when he should have been. Check the replacement almost always, especially if he's replacing some lurker who's on the confirmed, flipped town's "lynch list"
Tell me marv.
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On November 23 2012 08:36 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 08:34 Blazinghand wrote:
Man Z-B I dunno you still got lynched dude I got lynched because there were three people not reading/trying and just decided to sheep marv. I literally laughed when I saw debears use hapa's "gg-yo" post as an argument against me. How no one found that messed up is also an indicator of how people weren't reading. How no one read my case on thrawn properly is also a powerful indicator.
I read and dismissed your arguments also. I was very sure you were scum, and I think this tirade is mixed heavily with the bias and anger at being 'wronged'
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On November 23 2012 08:44 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 08:40 Z-BosoN wrote:
I disagree heavily with not lynching replacements. If the guy he was replacing was hella scummy, and in 48 hours you manage to act scummily and provide zero to none reads, that's more information than you have on whoever you lynched on day one. Yes, Djodref played scummy during D2, but you can't hold a guy accountable for the actions of the guy he replaced in for. I gave him 72 hours, then called him scum.
This is a liberal interpretation of events. You called him scummier than me. and didn't really help me get a lynch on him as you should have if you were certain like I was.
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On November 23 2012 08:46 debears wrote:
Gg guys
Late to the party as usual
Nj dp. Way to be the hero mushroom king needed, and not the one it deserved
I think I just pee'd a little <3
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On November 23 2012 08:51 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 08:49 DarthPunk wrote:On November 23 2012 08:44 Blazinghand wrote:On November 23 2012 08:40 Z-BosoN wrote:
I disagree heavily with not lynching replacements. If the guy he was replacing was hella scummy, and in 48 hours you manage to act scummily and provide zero to none reads, that's more information than you have on whoever you lynched on day one. Yes, Djodref played scummy during D2, but you can't hold a guy accountable for the actions of the guy he replaced in for. I gave him 72 hours, then called him scum. This is a liberal interpretation of events. You called him scummier than me. and didn't really help me get a lynch on him as you should have if you were certain like I was. SnB was the scummiest, he was priority 1
I disagree. But fair enough.
Now marv just needs to tell me my meta tell so I can change it.
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On November 23 2012 08:57 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 08:52 DarthPunk wrote:On November 23 2012 08:51 Blazinghand wrote:On November 23 2012 08:49 DarthPunk wrote:On November 23 2012 08:44 Blazinghand wrote:On November 23 2012 08:40 Z-BosoN wrote:
I disagree heavily with not lynching replacements. If the guy he was replacing was hella scummy, and in 48 hours you manage to act scummily and provide zero to none reads, that's more information than you have on whoever you lynched on day one. Yes, Djodref played scummy during D2, but you can't hold a guy accountable for the actions of the guy he replaced in for. I gave him 72 hours, then called him scum. This is a liberal interpretation of events. You called him scummier than me. and didn't really help me get a lynch on him as you should have if you were certain like I was. SnB was the scummiest, he was priority 1 I disagree. But fair enough. Now marv just needs to tell me my meta tell so I can change it. Scum DP would have never given a town read on S&B when he was the most popular mislynch option just to push a mislynch on someone like Djo :p
Huh. What about the town read I gave to Prom when he was the most popular mislynch option in ACME?
Like I am not saying you are wrong. I just want to know the specific difference.
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On November 23 2012 08:58 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 08:52 DarthPunk wrote:On November 23 2012 08:51 Blazinghand wrote:On November 23 2012 08:49 DarthPunk wrote:On November 23 2012 08:44 Blazinghand wrote:On November 23 2012 08:40 Z-BosoN wrote:
I disagree heavily with not lynching replacements. If the guy he was replacing was hella scummy, and in 48 hours you manage to act scummily and provide zero to none reads, that's more information than you have on whoever you lynched on day one. Yes, Djodref played scummy during D2, but you can't hold a guy accountable for the actions of the guy he replaced in for. I gave him 72 hours, then called him scum. This is a liberal interpretation of events. You called him scummier than me. and didn't really help me get a lynch on him as you should have if you were certain like I was. SnB was the scummiest, he was priority 1 I disagree. But fair enough. Now marv just needs to tell me my meta tell so I can change it. you will roll town most of the time (yes, i know you've been a bit unlucky with scum rolls) so having someone recognise you as town is pretty useful.
Yes but if I can emulate it I can do it as both alignments and then everyone will know I am town regardless of alignment. Right?
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On November 23 2012 09:33 Keirathi wrote:
Don't you remember what you said to me after LC when I said "meh, for all the good it did, I should have just kept my meta read [of you, proving kush was town] to myself?"
You said you were glad I shared because you wanted the opportunity to improve your own game. You should extend the same courtesy to DP, IMO!
This.
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kei can you tell me the differences in my town and scum play?
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On November 23 2012 12:47 Keirathi wrote:
I believe I've explained how I nailed you as scum in both of your last two scum games, didn't I?
In both games, you had a well thought out opinion that set you apart from the crowd, then backed off that opinion to push an easy target when it was convenient.
In LC, you were the first person to pressure me at all. You had a super strong, well reasoned case about why I was scum that 100% could have gotten me lynched if you stuck to it. Instead of fighting for it, though, you backed off to push kush once he started getting pressured because it was "easier".
ACME was basically the same. You gave a well-reasoned town read on kush, then when no one paid attention to it and started talking about lynching kush, you were all too happy to join in the wagon on him, despite the fact that he was still acting the same way you called him town for.
However, I can't actually say how that's different from your town play, because I'm pretty unfamiliar with reading you and deciding that you're town. I think I would need to obs a game where you're town to notice if you actually do any of those things and see if my read is right. This game doesn't count, since I already knew your alignment beforehand.
yeah thanks kei I'll work on that. Or just do it a bunch as town.
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On November 23 2012 13:34 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 13:31 DarthPunk wrote:On November 23 2012 12:47 Keirathi wrote:
I believe I've explained how I nailed you as scum in both of your last two scum games, didn't I?
In both games, you had a well thought out opinion that set you apart from the crowd, then backed off that opinion to push an easy target when it was convenient.
In LC, you were the first person to pressure me at all. You had a super strong, well reasoned case about why I was scum that 100% could have gotten me lynched if you stuck to it. Instead of fighting for it, though, you backed off to push kush once he started getting pressured because it was "easier".
ACME was basically the same. You gave a well-reasoned town read on kush, then when no one paid attention to it and started talking about lynching kush, you were all too happy to join in the wagon on him, despite the fact that he was still acting the same way you called him town for.
However, I can't actually say how that's different from your town play, because I'm pretty unfamiliar with reading you and deciding that you're town. I think I would need to obs a game where you're town to notice if you actually do any of those things and see if my read is right. This game doesn't count, since I already knew your alignment beforehand. yeah thanks kei I'll work on that. Or just do it a bunch as town. Doing it a bunch as town is a terrible strategy
Yeah but it serves the purpose of obfuscating my meta.
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On November 23 2012 18:52 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 13:44 DarthPunk wrote:On November 23 2012 13:34 Keirathi wrote:On November 23 2012 13:31 DarthPunk wrote:On November 23 2012 12:47 Keirathi wrote:
I believe I've explained how I nailed you as scum in both of your last two scum games, didn't I?
In both games, you had a well thought out opinion that set you apart from the crowd, then backed off that opinion to push an easy target when it was convenient.
In LC, you were the first person to pressure me at all. You had a super strong, well reasoned case about why I was scum that 100% could have gotten me lynched if you stuck to it. Instead of fighting for it, though, you backed off to push kush once he started getting pressured because it was "easier".
ACME was basically the same. You gave a well-reasoned town read on kush, then when no one paid attention to it and started talking about lynching kush, you were all too happy to join in the wagon on him, despite the fact that he was still acting the same way you called him town for.
However, I can't actually say how that's different from your town play, because I'm pretty unfamiliar with reading you and deciding that you're town. I think I would need to obs a game where you're town to notice if you actually do any of those things and see if my read is right. This game doesn't count, since I already knew your alignment beforehand. yeah thanks kei I'll work on that. Or just do it a bunch as town. Doing it a bunch as town is a terrible strategy Yeah but it serves the purpose of obfuscating my meta. It also serves the purpose of not being good for town. When you're town: Play to your win con, not your meta. Your town play should affect your scum play, not the other way around.
ZZZ I wasn't being serious.
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On November 23 2012 19:39 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 18:56 DarthPunk wrote:On November 23 2012 18:52 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 23 2012 13:44 DarthPunk wrote:On November 23 2012 13:34 Keirathi wrote:On November 23 2012 13:31 DarthPunk wrote:On November 23 2012 12:47 Keirathi wrote:
I believe I've explained how I nailed you as scum in both of your last two scum games, didn't I?
In both games, you had a well thought out opinion that set you apart from the crowd, then backed off that opinion to push an easy target when it was convenient.
In LC, you were the first person to pressure me at all. You had a super strong, well reasoned case about why I was scum that 100% could have gotten me lynched if you stuck to it. Instead of fighting for it, though, you backed off to push kush once he started getting pressured because it was "easier".
ACME was basically the same. You gave a well-reasoned town read on kush, then when no one paid attention to it and started talking about lynching kush, you were all too happy to join in the wagon on him, despite the fact that he was still acting the same way you called him town for.
However, I can't actually say how that's different from your town play, because I'm pretty unfamiliar with reading you and deciding that you're town. I think I would need to obs a game where you're town to notice if you actually do any of those things and see if my read is right. This game doesn't count, since I already knew your alignment beforehand. yeah thanks kei I'll work on that. Or just do it a bunch as town. Doing it a bunch as town is a terrible strategy Yeah but it serves the purpose of obfuscating my meta. It also serves the purpose of not being good for town. When you're town: Play to your win con, not your meta. Your town play should affect your scum play, not the other way around. ZZZ I wasn't being serious. @DarthPunkDid you check my filter in the Looney Game or not ? I'm curious to know if you found similar patterns between these two games ? I was also a very lonely scum in that game :S
Nope. It wasn't necessary. I was convinced solely by your play in this game.
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What did you post? I am intrigued.
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