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On November 05 2012 04:50 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
@Clarity

I agree with the fluff point on your case of Debears - fluff creating more fluff because fluff is fluffy fluff. (Fluff = confidence from last game). The first point, however, you say that he was trying to halt discussion. I'd disagree, Debears and I both wanted Djo to stop because the argument was, well, ridiculous in nature. It was pretty much going in circles and if we hadn't stopped it, we'd still be drowned in it.

On November 05 2012 04:06 sylverfyre wrote:
I dunno. I really can't say Djo Debears scumteam. But every time djo tunnels someone, debears is right behind - scum teaming up onto a townie to look more genuine himself? Also, he's wasted peoples time a lot. With fluffy posts and oneliners, then with the entire "percentage fluff" argument with Rad - which he wasn't even willing to drop after Clarity gave him a percentage.

Also there's the large amounts of OMGUS coming from debears. Like, everyone who has ever accused him, I think?



You mean Clarity, right?
I'm definitely agreeing with clarity being fishy. Definitely some suspicious... mediocre content that he's bringing forward. But he is consistently bringing content up, he has a 4 page filter (with low fluff, but also not with huge, attention grabbing accusations) I'm not willing to evaluate timing for scumminess/innocence - there's too many factors going into timing.

Ultimately, though, I don't want to vote for him because there's just not enough material to read into motivations yet. Shit, his recent case about debears is responding pretty convincingly to being called out for low content.

Meanwhile debears quadruple posts. I understand that one was a mispost, but you don't need to dedicate another post to "ugh mispost" then make two more oneliner posts following that. That's exactly what I was complaining about earlier. As we get closer to lynchtime it's that much more unproductive, and also demoralizing to people who come back from any flavor of AFK and realize there's that many more posts to crawl through.

And exactly why Djo's thing says "France" is irrelevant. He's made it clear where he is, that's the only useful piece of information there. Djo's response to it, regardless of what exactly it is, will have nothing to do with scumhunting.

##Unvote
##Vote Debears

On November 05 2012 05:09 debears wrote:
I still don't get why you guys are thinking it was a personal attack on Obsy. I'll call people out when I think they aren't contributing. Being on the aggressive side usually makes them more alert and responsive. I think the key here is that I haven't kept bashing him. I like his posting since.

On November 05 2012 05:23 Alsn wrote:
@Rad
You've been asking a lot of questions lately, but I can't find many(any?) of your reads, would you mind sharing your stronger ones?

On November 05 2012 05:49 Alsn wrote:
Cheese, disregarding what we find out if debears is lynched, what do you actually think of him? You say you have difficulty taking him seriously, but what does that tell you? Is he scum or is he null or is he town because of it?

On November 05 2012 04:50 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
@Clarity

I agree with the fluff point on your case of Debears - fluff creating more fluff because fluff is fluffy fluff. (Fluff = confidence from last game). The first point, however, you say that he was trying to halt discussion. I'd disagree, Debears and I both wanted Djo to stop because the argument was, well, ridiculous in nature. It was pretty much going in circles and if we hadn't stopped it, we'd still be drowned in it.

On November 05 2012 06:08 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
@Rad

I liked how you had that townie read on me last game . I think you had that read because I was playing very neutral (no strong ultra-mega reads) and using logical points. Is Obzy doing that this game? To you, does he seem like me in the previous game?

On November 05 2012 06:08 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
ebwop: Is Clarity doing that this game*

On November 05 2012 06:08 sylverfyre wrote:
Debears, much of your 'unique reasoning' was full of holes. Anyone can make a case built on scraps, but your cases haven't held together in my eyes. Thus, I think you did it in order to hide the fact that you wanted to point fingers in the same direction as someone else and hide your OMGUSing.

On November 05 2012 05:25 Rad wrote:
On debears and fluff

Alright, I've looked back into the debears fluff concerns. I started with sylver's first post calling debears out on fluff and looked at debears' posts before that. I'm not concerned with anything after that, at this point, because his posts before then is what triggered the fluff talking point.

I feel pretty good with his content up to that point (~66 posts I think, I may have miss counted). I don't feel like it was a ton of fluff (using clarity's definition). debears tends to respond quickly to people addressing a point or two at a time, so he simply ends up with a big filter comprised mostly of smaller posts. I glanced through his XVIII game (was town) and even there, most of his posts are shorter and addressing a specific point. He seems pretty consistent in that throughout the 3 games. His posts almost always spawn additional discussion and that's good for town. He had a few joke posts in there that were clearly useless, but those aren't difficult to ignore and don't really affect the readability of his filter. Also, the theme of this game was bound to produce some of the joke posts by debears and cheese, so that's forgivable.

In the end, I don't think this is a great point on the case vs debears. It seems like an incredibly easy "scum tell" sort of thing to just throw out there that instantly becomes a talking point and may never end. It's not attacking a particular statement or logical thought process, it's just saying "you write shitty content that clutters up the thread and that's scummy." That's fine if he's actually doing that, but after looking through his posts, I don't feel he was.

On November 05 2012 06:19 Rad wrote:




No, I feel like Clarity is putting himself out there more than you did last game. You were very safe attacking djo because everyone thought he was scum. Though I don't agree with his fluff argument, it seems sincere, and really the whole fluff argument is entirely subjective (which is why I thought it would get dropped early, but it's stuck around).