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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On November 04 2012 05:12 Rad wrote: I haven't shown any reason for you to believe I won't be scum hunting plenty between now and end of d1. Well yeah but.... you haven't shown me any reason that you WILL either. | ||
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Rad
United States935 Posts
On November 04 2012 05:08 Djodref wrote: @ Rad Do you mind discussing why I'm suspicious in your eyes. I've just skimmed through your filter and I didn't see you making points against me. I must say that I've skimmed very quickly... 1. Your FoS on cheese for his scumtell joke, saying it's confusing (when it wasn't, at all), then internet sarcasming right after that (which is inherently confusing). Speaking of which, I don't think you made any comment on me pointing that out earlier. 2. You being against pressure voting when you pressure voted multiple times last game. Who cares if he didn't explicitly state that it was a pressure vote? It's a vote super early in the game and has very little chance of riding into the lynch, obviously it's a pressure vote. 3. I feel like I remember reading a statement by you near end of last game to the extent of "I see why we should lynch lurkers now. I certainly will next time! I promise!" but I can't find it... So, hell, it might not have even been you who said that, but I feel like I remember it being you. Add that with your hard stance against lurker policy lynch this game and it's just more confusion surrounding you. maybe more, I forget. Anyway, I've attempted to dismiss the above based on nack's point last game of you just making no sense sometimes. Basically you make me confused as hell and that makes it really hard to consider you anything but suspicious. I'm reluctant to look at it further at this point because it feels very similar to last game. | ||
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Rad
United States935 Posts
On November 04 2012 05:16 Clarity_nl wrote: Well yeah but.... you haven't shown me any reason that you WILL either. You mean besides my persistent scum hunting against debears? What do you want me to do, scum hunt against everyone at the same time? I try to comment on other people's arguments as they come up but I can only handle so much at once. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
This pretty much sums up my case on your pressure voting. On November 04 2012 05:24 Rad wrote: 2. You being against pressure voting when you pressure voted multiple times last game. Who cares if he didn't explicitly state that it was a pressure vote? It's a vote super early in the game and has very little chance of riding into the lynch, obviously it's a pressure vote. Your defense basically states that suspicion votes and pressure votes are different, but they're basically the same thing. If you're suspicious of someone, you vote to pressure them. You did this at least twice last game, are advocating against it this game, and condemning Sylver for having no case. You may say the situation isn't the same etc. etc but it pretty much is. Also, the reference to the FoS against Alsn isn't explicitly stated, it's implied and I get that. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
1My main goal with the sudden FoS on Cheese was to spark some discussion. I said it was confusing but it was more a pretext. The truth is that I didn't like it. Using sarcasm was not a brillaint idea but agin, I wanted to show that I was trying to spark discussion. 2.It's very important to state your reasons for your vote. Sylverfire failed to explain what he wanted from debears with his vote so I didn t see it as a pressurr vote. It turned out that it was more like a super FoS. I'm not against pressure voting but you have to state clearly what is your goal with it. Voting for casting suspicion upon someone sounds like voting for voting in my opinion. 3. It was me indeed but I don t think we need the policy for this game. The activity level is high and you can vote for anyone if you have a problem. It works better this way I think. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
On November 04 2012 05:40 Djodref wrote: @ Rad 1My main goal with the sudden FoS on Cheese was to spark some discussion. I said it was confusing but it was more a pretext. The truth is that I didn't like it. Using sarcasm was not a brillaint idea but agin, I wanted to show that I was trying to spark discussion. 2.It's very important to state your reasons for your vote. Sylverfire failed to explain what he wanted from debears with his vote so I didn t see it as a pressurr vote. It turned out that it was more like a super FoS. I'm not against pressure voting but you have to state clearly what is your goal with it. Voting for casting suspicion upon someone sounds like voting for voting in my opinion. 3. It was me indeed but I don t think we need the policy for this game. The activity level is high and you can vote for anyone if you have a problem. It works better this way I think. Hmm... @Rad What do you think about that underlined portion right there? | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
The distinction between "I wanted to show that I was trying to spark discussion" and "I was trying to spark discussion" is definitely a relevant one. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
What I called a pressure vote is when you are trying to change the behavior of the target with your vote. For example, debears had nothing against daoud except for the fact that he was not posting and voted him to make him post. This was purely a pressure vote. I did the same thing last game and I have no problem with this kind of thing when you state it clearly. My problem with sylver vote against debears is that I found the reasons for voting him a little weak if he was voting him because he was suspicious of him. Also he didn't say at first that he wanted debears to stop to post some fluff. He just wanted to cast suspicion on him. So a FoS would have been better. Anyway, he was not clear when casting his vote and that's my main reproach against him. | ||
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Rad
United States935 Posts
On November 04 2012 05:40 Djodref wrote: @ Rad 1My main goal with the sudden FoS on Cheese was to spark some discussion. I said it was confusing but it was more a pretext. The truth is that I didn't like it. Using sarcasm was not a brillaint idea but agin, I wanted to show that I was trying to spark discussion. 2.It's very important to state your reasons for your vote. Sylverfire failed to explain what he wanted from debears with his vote so I didn t see it as a pressurr vote. It turned out that it was more like a super FoS. I'm not against pressure voting but you have to state clearly what is your goal with it. Voting for casting suspicion upon someone sounds like voting for voting in my opinion. 3. It was me indeed but I don t think we need the policy for this game. The activity level is high and you can vote for anyone if you have a problem. It works better this way I think. #2 Djo, is your mind going to be blown if sylver flips green? Can you not fathom a townie making a pressure vote without explaining it? Let's say that you're right, every time you make a pressure vote you need to make sure your intention is clear. Does not doing that mean they're scum or could it just be bad townie? #3 Thanks for confirming that, it was bothering me that I couldn't find it. However, I think you've completely missed the point of the policy lynch. Please try to think hard about why town wants to agree to policy lynch early in the game. | ||
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Obzy
United States525 Posts
On November 04 2012 04:06 Alsn wrote: Obsy, I'd like you to revise your statement at the end of your post. Sylver looks "bad"? What does that even mean? Rad, Clar, and debears looks good? Again, what does this mean? Does bad = scum? Or are you just accusing him of making bad arguments? Sorry - Rad, Clar, and debears look town. Sylver looks scummy. I haven't read past this post yet, but if there was confusion due to my wording, that's my own fault. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
It should be clear right now that my goal was to try to spark some discussion. If you find my FoS suspicious, please tell me me what is the mafia motivayion behind it. | ||
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Rad
United States935 Posts
On November 04 2012 05:46 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Hmm... @Rad What do you think about that underlined portion right there? @Cheese How about you give me your thoughts instead of asking for mine and then agreeing with me  Having manipulation flashbacks of your case vs djo last game: On October 29 2012 01:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: @Rad I'm interested on what you have to say concerning my case on Djo / on Djo in general. Nobody else has given their strong thoughts on the Djodref case with the exception of himself. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
On November 04 2012 05:53 Djodref wrote: Could you please stop nit-picking my posts ? It should be clear right now that my goal was to try to spark some discussion. If you find my FoS suspicious, please tell me me what is the mafia motivayion behind it. Your motivation behind it? To try to show that you were sparking discussion. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
It's alright, Clarity already picked up on it xD | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
Right now, I'm more concerned by the different explanations that sylverfire has given for his slip than the way he casted his vote on debears. The follow up I was expecting from a town sylver would have been a case on debears but he unvoted and we have nothing new from him so far. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 04 2012 05:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Your motivation behind it? To try to show that you were sparking discussion. The thing is it did create some discussion and put me at the center at the attention for some time. Definitively best mafia move ever (this is a sarcasm). | ||
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Rad
United States935 Posts
Djo's english comes across as awkward like that. I can't see it as a scum tell. Next time you're interested in pointing out something like this, you should do it rather than letting someone else do it and then agreeing with them. | ||
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Alsn
Sweden995 Posts
The fact that he worded it awkwardly may be somewhat scummy(if you're supposing that he worded it awkwardly because he thinks about his actions differently than a townie would) but other than that the distinction seems like a pointless one to me. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
Please check the different explanations sylver gave for his slip and comment it. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
Scum, on the other hand, worry about trying to show they are sparking discussion Feels like a scumslip to me. | ||
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