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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 03 2012 23:59 debears wrote: @Djo What do you think of my points on Sylver? Well, I have voted for sylver before you for a different scumslip so I definitively agree  Anyway they are good points, the scumslip you have found is better than mine, his vote on you is quite unfounded and he has also totally forgot to mention me jumping on Cheese in his post. I think the chances for him to be scum are great. | ||
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Rad
United States935 Posts
On November 03 2012 18:43 Clarity_nl wrote: Rad: Null. He's being more careful than last game, lurking a bit more. He mentioned he would be more careful, but not in pregame, he did this after the role PMs were sent. He also seems really invested in helping Obzy out as he's the newest, the only one here who wasn't in XXIX. @ Rad Why the interest in Obzy? Are you going to use MLG as an excuse at any point this weekend? I felt a bit of inig coming through in obzy. Overwhelmed, confused, but potentially useful to town. I didn't want to see him shy away due to how fast the conversations were coming and going here. I wanted him to open up and let his thoughts be known. Yes, I'll be watching MLG pretty much every minute it's on until it's done on Sunday. I do that for every MLG I get a chance to watch. My fiance is working all day today so all I got is MLG and this newbie mafia to pay attention to :D Might play a game here and there (ns2), but I expect a lot of my time today to be dedicated towards this game while watching MLG. As for my being more careful, it's based strictly on how I changed over the course of last game. I based my cases on a lot of stupid things and confirmation bias but couldn't ever realize it until after townies started flipping when I was sure they were scum. I want to avoid that this time and at least have some more solid reasoning when I decide to center in on someone. | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
On November 03 2012 22:06 da0ud wrote: I see your point Djodref but I don't think because someone else votes another one for being a "poor" contirbutor and sees that as a scum read would make himself scum. He is trying to put pressure on Debears in order to get him to maybe post less and better content. What does me posting less exactly accomplish? | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
On November 04 2012 00:06 Rad wrote: I felt a bit of inig coming through in obzy. Overwhelmed, confused, but potentially useful to town. I didn't want to see him shy away due to how fast the conversations were coming and going here. I wanted him to open up and let his thoughts be known. Yes, I'll be watching MLG pretty much every minute it's on until it's done on Sunday. I do that for every MLG I get a chance to watch. My fiance is working all day today so all I got is MLG and this newbie mafia to pay attention to :D Might play a game here and there (ns2), but I expect a lot of my time today to be dedicated towards this game while watching MLG. As for my being more careful, it's based strictly on how I changed over the course of last game. I based my cases on a lot of stupid things and confirmation bias but couldn't ever realize it until after townies started flipping when I was sure they were scum. I want to avoid that this time and at least have some more solid reasoning when I decide to center in on someone. Rad, alot of early d1 cases will end up being stupid in hindsight. Hapa, a good player, even stated so in GSL III I believe. That doesn't excuse you from scumhunting. I understand getting Obsy to post to avoid having him lurk, but you seemed too focused on it. What are your thoughts on Dau0d/syler/Djo from the last couple of pages? | ||
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Rad
United States935 Posts
On November 04 2012 00:03 Djodref wrote: @ debears I think that cop and jailkeeper are powerful roles, we might not have both of them though. Vig is not so good in newbie games (could you confirm this one, Rad?). Please also note that a framer couldn't use his power on his mafia partner. Anyway, I don't think the setup is imbalanced from a role point of view and I was surprised that you were only mentioning the medic. I'm not totally satisfied with your explanations but it was a minor thing. I'm more interested in sylverfire and daoud right now. Can the framer frame himself ? Regarding your bolded question to me, what do you want me to confirm? Define "good." Good for town winning or good for me having a blast? Cause I had a blast, even though I got the wrong shot, it was so fun trying to figure out who to use it on, and I submitted the kill request the very last second I could (probably why the night post took longer, I bet thrawn had to rewrite it). Had I gotten a scum with the shot, who knows what that would have done to me, hell it might have pushed my confirmation bias even further. Certainly I would have centered in on cheese 100% if kush flipped scum that game. Anyway, "good for town"? I have no idea. Good for getting me super interested last game? You bet. Also, it taught me some lessons I would not have learned otherwise. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
@Obzy My newbie card statement wasn't directed towards you in the least. It's merely a blanket clause, as I don't want people to attribute scumtells to being a newbie with bad play. Inig basically did this last game without defending himself, and I built a foundation for a case on him which got us the perfect as scum. I don't mind if people say they are new at this, etc (this is only my second game after all), just make sure to defend yourself and not only say you're a noob like Inig did. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 04 2012 00:12 Rad wrote: Regarding your bolded question to me, what do you want me to confirm? Define "good." Good for town winning or good for me having a blast? Cause I had a blast, even though I got the wrong shot, it was so fun trying to figure out who to use it on, and I submitted the kill request the very last second I could (probably why the night post took longer, I bet thrawn had to rewrite it). Had I gotten a scum with the shot, who knows what that would have done to me, hell it might have pushed my confirmation bias even further. Certainly I would have centered in on cheese 100% if kush flipped scum that game. Anyway, "good for town"? I have no idea. Good for getting me super interested last game? You bet. Also, it taught me some lessons I would not have learned otherwise. @ Rad Of course I was meaning good for town  The risk of having of town player killed by a vigilante is greater in newbie games so I don't think this role really benefits the town. I wanted to take last game as an example so that's why I was mentioning you. Anyway, let's drop this right now and focus and more important matters. I'm urging you to answer debears and give your input on the latest events in the thread | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
While I don't necessarily agree with a vote on Debears, I can see where he's coming from. A half-assed FoS on Alsn, asking all the questions to seem pro-town; it's exactly how he played last game. About Sylver's "scumslip"... hmm, perhaps. He could just be referring to the entire town (thread) in general. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
The problem is that he didn't even mention these points. The reasons he has stated were that debears was posting mainly fluff. And what about the other scumslip where he says that he wants to cast suspicion upon debears ? | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
On November 04 2012 00:24 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: On the Sylverfyre vote... While I don't necessarily agree with a vote on Debears, I can see where he's coming from. A half-assed FoS on Alsn, asking all the questions to seem pro-town; it's exactly how he played last game. About Sylver's "scumslip"... hmm, perhaps. He could just be referring to the entire town (thread) in general. You don't get it. He said he likes town's dedication; The ones showing dedication are me, djo, you, rad, and clarity Yet, he votes me, who is definitely most dedicated right now (and he thinks the town is dedicated) See the mafia-oriented contradiction? | ||
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da0ud
Hong Kong252 Posts
On November 03 2012 23:59 debears wrote: @Djo What do you think of my points on Sylver? your case against Sylver is way more constructed than Djo's initial scumslip read. I agree on most point apart maybe for the last point in red which might be over exagerated interpretation. Dont you think Debears ? | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
On November 04 2012 00:29 da0ud wrote: your case against Sylver is way more constructed than Djo's initial scumslip read. I agree on most point apart maybe for the last point in red which might be over exagerated interpretation. Dont you think Debears ? Why is it over exaggerated? I need specifics | ||
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da0ud
Hong Kong252 Posts
On November 03 2012 23:54 Djodref wrote: @ daoud Ok, so you are not defending sylver but attacking me for misinterpreting the thread. Could you please tell me exactly where I misinterpreted the thread ? Show me it in a quote so I can be more precise. I did not say you misinterpreted the thread, I just said you did take too fast conclusions in my opinion. I like more the case against Sylver by Debears than yours. | ||
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Rad
United States935 Posts
On November 04 2012 00:20 Djodref wrote: @ Rad Of course I was meaning good for town The risk of having of town player killed by a vigilante is greater in newbie games so I don't think this role really benefits the town. I wanted to take last game as an example so that's why I was mentioning you. Anyway, let's drop this right now and focus and more important matters. I'm urging you to answer debears and give your input on the latest events in the thread @Djo I intend to answer debears. It's a question that requires some research and thought. Let's try to make this game cleaner in terms of the filters. Give people time to answer questions rather than restate that a question is waiting to be answered. It's of no use to town. If you find someone has skipped answering a question for a long period of time, that's when you can jump in and point it out. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
Ok, good point. Urging might not have been the best word I could have used but please remind that I'm not an english native speaker. I was not getting suspicious of your for not answering. Take your time ^^ | ||
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Alsn
Sweden995 Posts
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Rad
United States935 Posts
On November 04 2012 00:10 debears wrote: Rad, alot of early d1 cases will end up being stupid in hindsight. Hapa, a good player, even stated so in GSL III I believe. That doesn't excuse you from scumhunting. I understand getting Obsy to post to avoid having him lurk, but you seemed too focused on it. What are your thoughts on Dau0d/syler/Djo from the last couple of pages? I haven't said I don't plan on scumhunting. What gives you that impression? You're coming to a false conclusion on what I've been talking about. Concerning obzy, what do you mean I seemed too focused on it? I tried to help him understand my stance on lurkers because he had some issues with it. Then I had to jump in and make sure he didn't get super demotivated because YOU were calling his posts useless and worthless. What does a town want a newbie town to do? Learn how to play the game and be useful to town. What does a scum want a newbie town to do? Feel scared at the thought of being terrible at the game, back off, say nothing out of fear. How exactly are you helping town by talking shit to the new guy at the beginning of d1? | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 04 2012 00:31 da0ud wrote: I did not say you misinterpreted the thread, I just said you did take too fast conclusions in my opinion. I like more the case against Sylver by Debears than yours. @ daoud Ok, sorry for the misunderstanding. Debears has indeed better points than mine against sylver. I think the main point is the inherent contradiction in his post. "dedication among the townies" -> scumslip or gives a town read on people with a lot of posts (i.e. debears, Cheese and me) "I don't know what to think about Alsn or debears" -> null read on them "the vote on debears for the fluff in his posts and his fast FoS on Alsn" -> debears is now suspicious in his eyes | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
On November 04 2012 00:46 Rad wrote: + Show Spoiler + On November 04 2012 00:10 debears wrote: Rad, alot of early d1 cases will end up being stupid in hindsight. Hapa, a good player, even stated so in GSL III I believe. That doesn't excuse you from scumhunting. I understand getting Obsy to post to avoid having him lurk, but you seemed too focused on it. What are your thoughts on Dau0d/syler/Djo from the last couple of pages? I haven't said I don't plan on scumhunting. What gives you that impression? You're coming to a false conclusion on what I've been talking about. Concerning obzy, what do you mean I seemed too focused on it? I tried to help him understand my stance on lurkers because he had some issues with it. Then I had to jump in and make sure he didn't get super demotivated because YOU were calling his posts useless and worthless. What does a town want a newbie town to do? Learn how to play the game and be useful to town. What does a scum want a newbie town to do? Feel scared at the thought of being terrible at the game, back off, say nothing out of fear. How exactly are you helping town by talking shit to the new guy at the beginning of d1? You are way overblowing my post on obsy. 1) I only said useless, not worthless. Stop putting words in my mouth 2) Yeah it's cool to encourage him, but you have to still scumhunt 3) You said that you were going to make a case later today and be more passive. How is that case going to come about if you aren't actively trying to find scum in the thread? I was in no way talking shit to him. I was stating my views on him. 1 sentence and 1 word in that sentence is hardly talking shit. In no way was it an, 'OH HES DEFINITELY SCUM GUYS'. It was a "you're posts are slightly scummy, defend yourself and contribute". Why are you overblowing my post? | ||
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