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On October 30 2012 10:24 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2012 08:10 iGrok wrote:
Actually in light of the hurricane, delayed for a day to see who is in and who is (not) dead hopefully.
Good luck guys, stay safe. wow this storm is the biggest bullshit ive ever seen. Its severity is a complete fabrication by the 24 hour news cycle for ratings and profit.
I bet you the power might go out 
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The Hurricane deals as much hurt as this storm in Kush's opinion.
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On October 30 2012 21:33 strongandbig wrote:
IDK, TL was down all morning so it can't be that fake. I mean, the new york subway and car tunnels flooded, six million people without power, several blocks of houses on fire - sounds pretty serious to me.
I mean, the wind levels might not be the highest ever, and it's sure as hell no Katrina, but a thirteen-foot storm surge hitting the biggest city in the country is no joke.
Plus, TL was down! how can you call that not serious!
The thing is New Orleans is still not rebuilt, my dad visted over the summer and the city's is basically at half what it was pre Katrina years ago. Sure the storm is unnusual but those big cities will be able to spring back in weeks due to the amount of capital in those cities. Its always stupid how people try to wait out the storm if they are near the coast. I know media overexaggerates, but they should at least check Weather.com for surge conidtions.
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Fail, obv scumslip.
##Vote: Crossfire99
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Cross oc I was just kidding. Dont you read the rules I cant post an hour past breaking the rules.
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Peek at my meta, I hate people who go back on their word.
Question for the host, am I out if I get ninj'ed?
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Relook at your own post Adam. Starting post are usually not serious. There's nothing wrong with a joke right?
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Gahhh, I forgot to explain. Having a vote in this thread, and not in the voting thread is my pet peeve. I make an accusation against someones vote, but they didnt vote in the thread. Just like they never voted, to the accused.
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K what happens now iGrok?
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Lol, iGrok, never mind didn't see your reply. Man I should be more attentive
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@Adam, its just something I get peeved about, people posting votes I build a case and then they say it was an actual vote. By my name, I shall not vote in thread and go back through that method.
Can I get a more substantial case from hopeless? Drawing a scum read from a joke and stupid mistakes is pretty weak. Empathy, isnt my strong suit while reading, but could it be a joke?
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BKE, Hopeless says is scummy, but look what he actually thinks.
On November 01 2012 01:30 Hopeless1der wrote:zoning of players into their role categories puts you right there with him crossfire: Show nested quote +On October 31 2012 23:26 Crossfire99 wrote:
Ah, a wild Chezinu appears! Before it gets too long I must catch up to post my thoughts. Chezinu, if I include myself along with you, audience members now number two.
Anyways, regarding BKE. BroodKing's initial vote was "a joke", but he still had to vote and had to explain it. Show nested quote +On October 31 2012 12:02 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Cross oc I was just kidding. Dont you read the rules I cant post an hour past breaking the rules. Show nested quote +On October 31 2012 12:17 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Peek at my meta, I hate people who go back on their word.
Question for the host, am I out if I get ninj'ed? Show nested quote +On October 31 2012 12:19 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Relook at your own post Adam. Starting post are usually not serious. There's nothing wrong with a joke right? Show nested quote +On October 31 2012 12:47 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Gahhh, I forgot to explain. Having a vote in this thread, and not in the voting thread is my pet peeve. I make an accusation against someones vote, but they didnt vote in the thread. Just like they never voted, to the accused. Cross, his assertion that pretending to vote is a pet peeve of his is fine, but upon re-reading the thread in context, I get a scummy vibe. Doing things like explaining his mentality AFTER he voted and AFTER people called him out seems like he's trying to keep things from spiraling out of control. Entering the thread with : Show nested quote +On October 31 2012 10:45 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Fail, obv scumslip.
##Vote: Crossfire99
Followed by never acknowledging what the "slip" was and simply pawning it off as a joke is scummy to me. Going to leave my vote on him for now.
Hmm, BH makes some good points about breaking rules for the sake of posting in a clear and understandable manner. I'd like to think I've done both with this post.
Cool, he knows when I'm pretending to say something, wait that's not possible. Don't believe the second part of that point either, its non-alignment indicative as town and scum would want to prevent misinterpretation.
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Everyone, I think that he is trying to create something out of nothing. For goodness sake, this twisting of words must stop.
##Unvote
##Vote: Hopeless1der
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To Hopeless, TL.net went down again, so I wasn't to post in the voting thread.
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Unfortunately, BH I do believe in my own case. Very much in fact. What dont understand is how he is drawing his conclusions from what I am saying, he said I made a pressure vote when I said it was a joke. Xamining the rest of his filter I dont see much else besides a lurker call out and a plea for readable posts.
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@Hopeless, it seems like you still did not get the initial reason why I like to put my vote in the thread and voting thread. Before this game, I created a case on someone based around the fact that they had voted someone in thread. Coming back at me, they said it wasn't "really" a vote since it was never in the thread, although it was quite obvious that he had made an accusation. Dumb thing is my case lost credit cause of that stupid technicality. Eluding to why I put my vote there, and I said it was a joke after because the voting thread was not up so early in the game and I waited till after my timeout to post in both threads.
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On November 01 2012 21:16 strongandbig wrote:
Frankly, I hope that the next minigame has a stricter punishment or reward. Got to admit this thing where people are just ignoring the rules is disgraceful.
Hmmmmm, it's getting later in the day. It seems like there's some cases to consider.
Just, I'm still looking at BKE, and I don't like what I see. Kay? Like his whole filter is mostly taken up with talking about how much he hates people who vote in the thread and not in the voting thread. Maybe I'm mistaken, but I see this as a lot of smokescreen - it's just way too unimportant to be taking up the large percentage of his filter that it is. Next there's his early-game jump-on vote on Crossfire. On the one hand, we have the meta analysis that Adam did, indicating that this is different from how he's entered games as a townie in the past - this only goes so far, but it is a point worth keeping in mind.
Plus, he kept the vote on Crossfire for quite some time, all the while talking about how important votes in the voting thread are and how they should match up with stances in the main thread - this is the important part of his advice about "not going back on your word" - this seems inconsistent to me, and one thing I've learned in Mafia is that when players ascribe a lot of importance to some piece of advice on how to play the game but then don't follow that advice themselves, it indicates that advice exists to cover up for lack of contribution in other areas.
Question: what contribution has he made other than that stuff about votes and such? Really, nothing except his little "case" on hopeless1der. Sure, hopeless hasn't been a paragon of town-leading shining knighthood, but he's definitely been more involved in the thread than BKE. True, hopeless's original reasoning for voting BKE wasn't great, but he follows up on it in a way that BKE didn't do with his vote on crossfire.
Ultimately, I feel the need to do the following:
##vote: BroodKingEXE
K, first of all the vote on Cross stayed there cause my scum reads haven't changed. Lots of people dont remove that initial joke post until after they have found scum. My vote for cross needed to be that thread for my own sanity, even if it was a joke. Now when I meant that they should match it should be from a technical standpoint, no matter the fact that it is a joke or not.
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On November 02 2012 01:52 Mementoss wrote: Keirathi Okay so some preface, I think Keirathi has been slipping through this game without being mentioned too much. So I decided to look at his filter and noticed some scummy things. Lets go through it. Part I: Spreading AccusationsAll game, Keirethi has been spreading accusations very very subtly while never going deeper into them, he has yet to give a strong opinion that he thinks would be good for a lynch. Overall, hes looking active while not doing anything to push a scum lynch. His play seems to represent someone that doesn't care who gets lynched at all. Lets look at a couple examples of this: Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 03:38 Keirathi wrote:
'Kay, so how is my question to Chezinu unimportant? Looks to me like he wanted all of our blues to claim. Maybe its just me, having never played with Chezinu, but that was a pretty anti-town plan.
Now, I did comment on the BKE thing. On its own, its not particularly scummy. Particularly, though, the fact that he hasn't done any kind of early pressure vote in any of his last 7 town games is a bit weird. Still, even then I only think its minorly scummy and would never be enough to make me vote him. His questions at chezinu seem to hint that he thinks what he is doing is scummy and pushing scum agenda, yet he just calls him ut on an anti town plan and never follows up. He says on its own its not scummy, than hints that his meta doesn't match so its a bit "weird". Never commits completely to his opinion on thinking hes scummy, but ends with scummy but not enough to vote him. Gives him an out if he flips red, that he didn't defend him he just couldnt make up his mind. Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 14:00 Keirathi wrote:On October 31 2012 23:13 Mementoss wrote:
Nooooo chezinu ninjad me good thing I checked, I cant do the alphabet very well I have to say it completely out all the time lol. Oh, I agree with that fact that purposely fucking up is scummy because it gives you a free pass not to post, however, BKE seemed to be not understanding the rules at first, and the second time the posts were 3 min apart so its possible for ninja post. Poop, just to clarify this doesn't excuse his ridiuclous joke vote/call out on a "scum slip", it seemed like a desperate attempt to put fault on someone, but he fucked up with the rules. Qonsequently BKE, so far is the only player that stands out to me as somewhat scummy.
Reading chezinus last post, I still don't agree with the mass claim idea. Sit will still end up with everyone claiming audience memebers. Tangerine, chezinu, why do you feeld it was nessecary to give the player list :S ? On November 01 2012 06:08 Mementoss wrote:On October 31 2012 11:38 Blazinghand wrote:
Love to. My reason is that at this point in the thread he is the scummiest. "No way," you say, "he hasn't posted yet!" Often, that is reason enough. Proof of his scumminess is that he is a general liability.
Quack is the sound ducks make. Really though I'm gonna change my vote to Adam there's no way that post is town. Seriously if he was reforming posts he'd reform his post into that post instead of making a complaining post. Trying to get cred when he deserves none. Untie! Going to gym, fuck the rules. Only got 5 minutes but would like to comment on a few things.
The above is your case against Adam right? I don't consider it the strongest case, as you above seem pretty confident in it, but the fact that he hasn't been back to contribute is pretty un easing. leaning scummy on him right now. I half agree to what you say about crossfire too blazinghand. His posts were unreadable thats for sure. I had to re-read several paragraphs 3 times before I even understood what the point was, and then it didn't even deliverable the point well -_-. This is more likely xfire posting as town because he was being ridiculous, but I also think there is a possibility he started posting these long unreadable fluffy statements, so that maybe someone else would follow his ridiculous posting style and muck up the town completely. Thats scum intereference. Also, he actually looks to the non-reader, that he is contributing more than most, when really, hes more interested in literary skills and looking town, than actually finding scum. ATM I would be happy to vote either Xfire or BKE, (which I stated earlier why I thought his fake joke stuff seemed scummy, while his purposely?? getting restrictions wasn't liekly scummy), could go for Adam too, but I would rather wait for him to come into the thread again before doing that. Gunna lay down a vote Xfire atm. Need to re-read the thread and consider all the options, I have been either asleep or at work for this whole thread thus far. ##Vote Crossfire Xtremely weird change of opinion, there. You go from saying its scummy to blatantly not follow the alphabet rules, to doing it yourself without any indication why you suddenly don't care anymore. Zero sense does that make. Again says its weird, not scummy. Just says it makes zero sense. Keirathi has zero desire to get a lynch going today, and he is afraid to commit. Hes leaving himself many avenues open for later when he decides to vote. Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 01:18 Keirathi wrote:On November 01 2012 06:55 Blazinghand wrote:gonzaw-- I'm willing to buy that you did in fact read my post, just not very carefully. On November 01 2012 01:22 Blazinghand wrote:
The game is fine and all, and if you want to banter and go back and forth, do it. But the terrible lobstrosity of a post that crossfire puked into the thread is the kind of thing that doesn't help. There are times to break the rules. In a way, chezinu knows this better than anyone here, but hes too busy being chezinu to lead town.
breaking the rules is not a scum move, any more than simply not posting for an hour is a scum move. tons of people have 1+ hour gaps in between their craptacularly bad alphabetical posts-- you should just make decent, good posts instead if you're not in the middle of a conversation. I don't know how this seems to be dogmatically in favor of using the 1-hour wait method at all times or the rhyming method at all times. You should read my posts more clearly and think a bit harder about the game. Part of the reason I'm on your ass is that you're not playing like you normally do. This focus from you, and the lack of serious pressure on multiple targets, that's not like you. The gonzaw I know, when he plays town, has fullisades of questions for everyone. Why just this one Keirathi case? Where's your usual constant interrogation and probing of everyone in the town? I remember your posts as being kinda annoying and having formatting issues, and maybe being unfocused, but also being unrelenting in their pressure on multiple targets. What gives? Forgive me for not commenting on this sooner sooner, but I just now had the available time to do the research. Go back and look at Aperture 2. He literally made a case/accusation against EVERY SINGLE PLAYER day 1. Its just such a huge disconnect from "everyone is scummy, lets question/accuse them!" to "well, this one guy is kinda scummy because he hasn't posted as much as I expect him to". Just my opinion, but this doesn't really fit the town gonzaw that I remember either. Again spreading some suspicion on gonzaw. Not saying hes scummy per sae but saying his meta doesn't fit aperature 2. And ALSO he doesn't mention that gonzaw was traitor in aperture 2, and he won with scum, so this meta doesn't even make sense. He doesn't follow up with in game evidence or even ask gonzaw to clarify anything. This brings me to my next point. Part II - Doesn't fit the metaEvery game I have played with Keirathi he has been very active and has been a major part in pushing discussion. Even if hes not scumhunting hes pushing discussion in strategic ways. This game has been the very opposite. He is a commentator, active, without pushing discussion to actually find scum. That is all I have to say on this, because meta should just be a supportable part not the main part of a case. Part III - Active LurkerKeirathi has been actually quite active in this game at many times, however he has only put down a few lines every time he has been here, and choses not to discuss the current parts of the thread. He timeline seems to sprinkle at many times in the thread, indicating he is chosing not to contribute in his normal town manner, or he doesn't overly care about finding scum. Just to separate himself from the major lurkers in this game. He also has been excessively lazy this game and making excuses. Show nested quote +On October 31 2012 14:02 Keirathi wrote:On October 31 2012 13:55 Adam4167 wrote:
Perhaps click on his profile and check for yourself?
Quite simple really.
Red he has never been.
Sure, I could have checked myself, but you already did the research Totally easier to just ask you to share. Show nested quote +On October 31 2012 13:33 Keirathi wrote:On October 31 2012 12:44 Crossfire99 wrote:Gosh, what have we here? On October 31 2012 12:22 Keirathi wrote:
'Sup, everyone. Time to get rid of those pesky musicians. How have you not posted on what has happened so far? I seem to remember the talkative little townie in Aperature that wasn't afraid to comment on anything. Keirathi was enjoying some Diablo 3 with a buddy. Looking back over the posts since I chimed it, it doesn't look like theres really a whole lot to comment on. Maybe its just me, but while this posting restriction is very entertaining, its quite hard to say exactly what you mean. He is apathetic. He knows better than this, there is never gunna be anyting to comment on unless you push the discussion, which keirathi has not beeen trying to do like his normal town self. Making an excuse to blame the mechanics for not posting. ##Unvote
##Vote: Keirathi[-] Other stuff: Alright so Im still not sure on crossfire, but I think there are more likely places to catch scum than him so im taking my vote off him. I can see what hes doing from both alignments, so I shouldn't make a solid choice on only that. His reaction didn't really lead me any further with more of an opinion on him. Probably 2nd scummiest player imo is BKE, I agree with SnB on his thoughts on him. Dingaling, is also an option but it would be strictly policy lynch at this point. I think he is more likely unactive than lurking. When is deadline? 10 hours? We need to somewhat start consolidating or discussing your straight up two best scum reads asaply.
Bottom part is so scummy, because you basically say your vote for Keir isn't pushed by your case but by the lack of Xfire's scummness. Cause of this, it shows me that you have no confidence in this case about Keir, because you had to justify a vote change. Dingaling shouldn't even be included in this post as you already have two scum reads, why would you support a policy lynch when you have two scum?
Eyeing one of Hopeless posts, I noticed I hadn't unvoted and voted is that what you guys are saying Im am being hypocritical on?
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On November 02 2012 03:54 Hopeless1der wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 02 2012 02:13 Keirathi wrote:
@Mementoss: Not going to quote your post point by point, but I'll just give some comments.
Part 1)
I'm not spreading accusations subtly. When I'm asking a question to something like your unexplained change in opinion, or Chezinu calling for a mass blue claim, its because I find them scummy. The point is to get a response to judge if the response is genuine. Everyone occasionally says things that can be taken as scummy, even as town. The key isn't to jump on hte mistake, its to ask why the mistake happened and try to figure out if they're lying.
I never pushed more on the Chezinu thing because I don't think Chezinu is going to get lynched today for calling for a mass blue claim. Apparently "It's Chezinu, just ignore him" from other players is a good enough defense. Whatever.
About BKE: it doesn't give me an out if he flips red. I quite clearly said I don't think a minorly scummy thing is enough for ME to vote for him. If he flips red, I fulyl expect to get pressured for that. I take full responsibility for everything I say.
Part 2)
*EVERY* game you've played with me? So...just Liquid City and Aperture 2? Two games that were going on at the exact same time and I had vastly different playstyles and time commitments. Hell, the ONLY thing I did in LC on day 1 was yell at kush a bunch, and throw some weak arguments onto kingjames, then afk for 24+ hours.
Part 3)
I wouldn't say I'm necessarily active lurking. I've just only been commenting on things that I feel are worth commenting on. And, maybe its an "excuse" but TL was down for half of the day yesterday for me. So meh, whatever. There are now two votes in the voting thread that were not appropriately unvoted. Unless that was intentional, by which I mean scummy. Votes from BKE and Mementoss to be specific. Why, BKE, are you voting me? X-amine my filter and demonstrate why I'm scummy, or get your shit together. You're definitely not scumhunting in the slightest, just CONTINUOUSLY defending yourself for what stemmed from literally your first post in the game. Zany OMGUS against me doesn't help either as I still think you're scum and would prefer you to do something helpful in the event that you are not. As for MMT, my read is null, and my 2nd choice to vote right now would be Adam or Keir, not quite sure yet but it doesn't matter. BKE is still number 1, I've read the case against Keir and I agree overall that he looks scummy, but I feel more certain on BKE right now.
For one thing, you say that my filter is full of OMGUS, but look at your filter which consists of tunneling me, a lurker call out, and a bunch of whining about the rules. Good god, that's some amazing scumhunting there.
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On November 02 2012 04:31 Hopeless1der wrote:Hey, I already caught scum: Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 08:51 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Everyone, I think that he is trying to create something out of nothing. For goodness sake, this twisting of words must stop.
##Unvote
##Vote: Hopeless1der Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 10:24 BroodKingEXE wrote:
To Hopeless, TL.net went down again, so I wasn't to post in the voting thread. I even replied right after you said you couldn't post in the voting thread, quoting the voting thread with your vote: + Show Spoiler +On November 01 2012 10:25 Hopeless1der wrote:u srs? , and thought it was pretty self-evident, but clearly I needed to spell things out. Jerking the thread around isn't a good idea. Keeping things focused, like my scumread on you, is a good idea to me.
Look at BKE's filter and show me where he hunts scum
Quacks, TL.net had gone down so I thought when you said this + Show Spoiler +On November 01 2012 09:26 Hopeless1der wrote:
Guess what, BKE? Have you verified you voted correctly? I dont think you have. Just when I thought you were being straight and true! Keep in mind, I wasn't the only one who thought what you did was scummy, I was just the one who put a vote behind my opinion of your posting. Looks like an OMGUS to me, and that's actually the only reason I see behind your vote. Maybe there's a little more you'd like to add?
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BH, I dont check twitter at that time. Cause of the power outage I thought my vote hadn't gone in, I didn't check the timing of the outage. Derp me just looked at the post and said the outage must have fucked up the vote.
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On November 02 2012 06:05 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 04:22 BroodKingEXE wrote:On November 02 2012 01:52 Mementoss wrote: Keirathi Okay so some preface, I think Keirathi has been slipping through this game without being mentioned too much. So I decided to look at his filter and noticed some scummy things. Lets go through it. Part I: Spreading AccusationsAll game, Keirethi has been spreading accusations very very subtly while never going deeper into them, he has yet to give a strong opinion that he thinks would be good for a lynch. Overall, hes looking active while not doing anything to push a scum lynch. His play seems to represent someone that doesn't care who gets lynched at all. Lets look at a couple examples of this: On November 01 2012 03:38 Keirathi wrote:
'Kay, so how is my question to Chezinu unimportant? Looks to me like he wanted all of our blues to claim. Maybe its just me, having never played with Chezinu, but that was a pretty anti-town plan.
Now, I did comment on the BKE thing. On its own, its not particularly scummy. Particularly, though, the fact that he hasn't done any kind of early pressure vote in any of his last 7 town games is a bit weird. Still, even then I only think its minorly scummy and would never be enough to make me vote him. His questions at chezinu seem to hint that he thinks what he is doing is scummy and pushing scum agenda, yet he just calls him ut on an anti town plan and never follows up. He says on its own its not scummy, than hints that his meta doesn't match so its a bit "weird". Never commits completely to his opinion on thinking hes scummy, but ends with scummy but not enough to vote him. Gives him an out if he flips red, that he didn't defend him he just couldnt make up his mind. On November 01 2012 14:00 Keirathi wrote:On October 31 2012 23:13 Mementoss wrote:
Nooooo chezinu ninjad me good thing I checked, I cant do the alphabet very well I have to say it completely out all the time lol. Oh, I agree with that fact that purposely fucking up is scummy because it gives you a free pass not to post, however, BKE seemed to be not understanding the rules at first, and the second time the posts were 3 min apart so its possible for ninja post. Poop, just to clarify this doesn't excuse his ridiuclous joke vote/call out on a "scum slip", it seemed like a desperate attempt to put fault on someone, but he fucked up with the rules. Qonsequently BKE, so far is the only player that stands out to me as somewhat scummy.
Reading chezinus last post, I still don't agree with the mass claim idea. Sit will still end up with everyone claiming audience memebers. Tangerine, chezinu, why do you feeld it was nessecary to give the player list :S ? On November 01 2012 06:08 Mementoss wrote:On October 31 2012 11:38 Blazinghand wrote:
Love to. My reason is that at this point in the thread he is the scummiest. "No way," you say, "he hasn't posted yet!" Often, that is reason enough. Proof of his scumminess is that he is a general liability.
Quack is the sound ducks make. Really though I'm gonna change my vote to Adam there's no way that post is town. Seriously if he was reforming posts he'd reform his post into that post instead of making a complaining post. Trying to get cred when he deserves none. Untie! Going to gym, fuck the rules. Only got 5 minutes but would like to comment on a few things.
The above is your case against Adam right? I don't consider it the strongest case, as you above seem pretty confident in it, but the fact that he hasn't been back to contribute is pretty un easing. leaning scummy on him right now. I half agree to what you say about crossfire too blazinghand. His posts were unreadable thats for sure. I had to re-read several paragraphs 3 times before I even understood what the point was, and then it didn't even deliverable the point well -_-. This is more likely xfire posting as town because he was being ridiculous, but I also think there is a possibility he started posting these long unreadable fluffy statements, so that maybe someone else would follow his ridiculous posting style and muck up the town completely. Thats scum intereference. Also, he actually looks to the non-reader, that he is contributing more than most, when really, hes more interested in literary skills and looking town, than actually finding scum. ATM I would be happy to vote either Xfire or BKE, (which I stated earlier why I thought his fake joke stuff seemed scummy, while his purposely?? getting restrictions wasn't liekly scummy), could go for Adam too, but I would rather wait for him to come into the thread again before doing that. Gunna lay down a vote Xfire atm. Need to re-read the thread and consider all the options, I have been either asleep or at work for this whole thread thus far. ##Vote Crossfire Xtremely weird change of opinion, there. You go from saying its scummy to blatantly not follow the alphabet rules, to doing it yourself without any indication why you suddenly don't care anymore. Zero sense does that make. Again says its weird, not scummy. Just says it makes zero sense. Keirathi has zero desire to get a lynch going today, and he is afraid to commit. Hes leaving himself many avenues open for later when he decides to vote. On November 02 2012 01:18 Keirathi wrote:On November 01 2012 06:55 Blazinghand wrote:gonzaw-- I'm willing to buy that you did in fact read my post, just not very carefully. On November 01 2012 01:22 Blazinghand wrote:
The game is fine and all, and if you want to banter and go back and forth, do it. But the terrible lobstrosity of a post that crossfire puked into the thread is the kind of thing that doesn't help. There are times to break the rules. In a way, chezinu knows this better than anyone here, but hes too busy being chezinu to lead town.
breaking the rules is not a scum move, any more than simply not posting for an hour is a scum move. tons of people have 1+ hour gaps in between their craptacularly bad alphabetical posts-- you should just make decent, good posts instead if you're not in the middle of a conversation. I don't know how this seems to be dogmatically in favor of using the 1-hour wait method at all times or the rhyming method at all times. You should read my posts more clearly and think a bit harder about the game. Part of the reason I'm on your ass is that you're not playing like you normally do. This focus from you, and the lack of serious pressure on multiple targets, that's not like you. The gonzaw I know, when he plays town, has fullisades of questions for everyone. Why just this one Keirathi case? Where's your usual constant interrogation and probing of everyone in the town? I remember your posts as being kinda annoying and having formatting issues, and maybe being unfocused, but also being unrelenting in their pressure on multiple targets. What gives? Forgive me for not commenting on this sooner sooner, but I just now had the available time to do the research. Go back and look at Aperture 2. He literally made a case/accusation against EVERY SINGLE PLAYER day 1. Its just such a huge disconnect from "everyone is scummy, lets question/accuse them!" to "well, this one guy is kinda scummy because he hasn't posted as much as I expect him to". Just my opinion, but this doesn't really fit the town gonzaw that I remember either. Again spreading some suspicion on gonzaw. Not saying hes scummy per sae but saying his meta doesn't fit aperature 2. And ALSO he doesn't mention that gonzaw was traitor in aperture 2, and he won with scum, so this meta doesn't even make sense. He doesn't follow up with in game evidence or even ask gonzaw to clarify anything. This brings me to my next point. Part II - Doesn't fit the metaEvery game I have played with Keirathi he has been very active and has been a major part in pushing discussion. Even if hes not scumhunting hes pushing discussion in strategic ways. This game has been the very opposite. He is a commentator, active, without pushing discussion to actually find scum. That is all I have to say on this, because meta should just be a supportable part not the main part of a case. Part III - Active LurkerKeirathi has been actually quite active in this game at many times, however he has only put down a few lines every time he has been here, and choses not to discuss the current parts of the thread. He timeline seems to sprinkle at many times in the thread, indicating he is chosing not to contribute in his normal town manner, or he doesn't overly care about finding scum. Just to separate himself from the major lurkers in this game. He also has been excessively lazy this game and making excuses. On October 31 2012 14:02 Keirathi wrote:On October 31 2012 13:55 Adam4167 wrote:
Perhaps click on his profile and check for yourself?
Quite simple really.
Red he has never been.
Sure, I could have checked myself, but you already did the research Totally easier to just ask you to share. On October 31 2012 13:33 Keirathi wrote:On October 31 2012 12:44 Crossfire99 wrote:Gosh, what have we here? On October 31 2012 12:22 Keirathi wrote:
'Sup, everyone. Time to get rid of those pesky musicians. How have you not posted on what has happened so far? I seem to remember the talkative little townie in Aperature that wasn't afraid to comment on anything. Keirathi was enjoying some Diablo 3 with a buddy. Looking back over the posts since I chimed it, it doesn't look like theres really a whole lot to comment on. Maybe its just me, but while this posting restriction is very entertaining, its quite hard to say exactly what you mean. He is apathetic. He knows better than this, there is never gunna be anyting to comment on unless you push the discussion, which keirathi has not beeen trying to do like his normal town self. Making an excuse to blame the mechanics for not posting. ##Unvote
##Vote: Keirathi[-] Other stuff: Alright so Im still not sure on crossfire, but I think there are more likely places to catch scum than him so im taking my vote off him. I can see what hes doing from both alignments, so I shouldn't make a solid choice on only that. His reaction didn't really lead me any further with more of an opinion on him. Probably 2nd scummiest player imo is BKE, I agree with SnB on his thoughts on him. Dingaling, is also an option but it would be strictly policy lynch at this point. I think he is more likely unactive than lurking. When is deadline? 10 hours? We need to somewhat start consolidating or discussing your straight up two best scum reads asaply. Bottom part is so scummy, because you basically say your vote for Keir isn't pushed by your case but by the lack of Xfire's scummness. Cause of this, it shows me that you have no confidence in this case about Keir, because you had to justify a vote change. Dingaling shouldn't even be included in this post as you already have two scum reads, why would you support a policy lynch when you have two scum? Eyeing one of Hopeless posts, I noticed I hadn't unvoted and voted is that what you guys are saying Im am being hypocritical on? BHow does it show that at all. CI was just verifying/ re-evaluating my read on crossfire because people were still mentioning it.
Knuckling down here, this is not clarifying anything about your read. Look at what you say "I think there are more likely places to catch scum that him", you initially had a scum read on him, so your read has changed from scum to less likely scum. Moseying down after the bolded part, you say that he is doing neutral posting. No where do you clarify your stance, you just confuse the hell out of us. On my bolded part, it doesn't make sense to say you are unvoting Xfire explicitly because it implies that you think his neutrality is a bigger tell than your own Keir case.
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X/ going after you makes no sense cause I have a townread on you, MMT's Keir case isnt even enough for him to vote for Keir. You see MMT needed to convince himself that Xfire wasn't scum to believe his own case, which means that his Keir case is shitty in his own opinion. Zoinks! Another thing is he is supporting a policy lynch when he has a case up, policy lynches D1 are only for townies that have no outright scum reads. But he supposedly has two: Keir and me, yet he still feels the need to push a policy lynch which he could use later if something unaccounted for comes up before the lynch. Coming to a conclusion, Xfire's neutrality over Keir's scumminess means that he doesn't even believe in his own case.
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XD, Im back after my timeout. You'll need to understand I think the statement in question means Memtoss doesn't believe in his own case. Zeroing back in he didn't explain his stance on Xfire at all, its all a bunch of fluff.
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X marks the BH! You think MMT is town why say you?
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Damn, forgot Keir hadn't voted. I have one last trick, whoever is still here read this filter from LVI. The situation is very similar to what I have got myself into this game. READ THIS I said something and my lack of attention botched everything up.
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I damn failed 
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Sorry, for my horrible play this game, I got confused so hard.
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I had the blue role with no role, from what I gleaned from the OP we received our role at the beggining of each day. This would mean I would be unverifiable till D3. Its a pretty tough claim to defend.
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On November 10 2012 08:10 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2012 08:07 Adam4167 wrote:On November 10 2012 07:59 Blazinghand wrote:On November 10 2012 07:58 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Sorry, for my horrible play this game, I got confused so hard. It happens. Next time, though, rolelcaim if you're going to be lynched. We all have games where we play a bit scummy and end up attracting votes, but when you're Blue you have a trump card to play-- you should have played it. On November 10 2012 07:59 Adam4167 wrote:
I'm not butt at all, just some advice.
I cant help but feel that it probably lead to hopeless shooting me, which was a terrible shot. I didn't shoot you, I didn't lynch you, and I had numerous opportunities to do both. If you're not personally capable enough to prove yourself townie against a feint from me, that's not my problem. Maybe you should be talking to the guy who shot you, or examining your own play, since you were the one who absorbed a bullet. EDIT: For what it's worth, I did find you a bit scummy. You weren't really worth a bullet though, and certainly not a lynch. Relax a bit would you? The point of post game discussion is to talk about the game and how it unfolded. Fair enough. Just some advice for you. Show nested quote +On November 10 2012 08:07 BroodKingEXE wrote:
I had the blue role with no role, from what I gleaned from the OP we received our role at the beggining of each day. This would mean I would be unverifiable till D3. Its a pretty tough claim to defend. So you knew you were a blue, and still didn't claim? You could have claimed your name, at least. Like, why not employ that tool to keep yourself alive?
TBH I didnt think I was gonna get lynched. I was expecting gonzaw to vote for MMT, he clearly had a town read on me. It totally caught me off guard. I mean you saw what happened with Gonzaw and MMT, because of it.
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I like how SnB was talking to himself in the scum QT
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You both smoke too much
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