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On October 29 2012 20:19 Chezinu wrote: /in now I know fear | ||
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##Vote: Chezinu | ||
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Quack is the sound ducks make. Really though I'm gonna change my vote to Adam there's no way that post is town. Seriously if he was reforming posts he'd reform his post into that post instead of making a complaining post. Trying to get cred when he deserves none. Untie! | ||
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On November 01 2012 00:58 strongandbig wrote: very much hoping that chezinu's mass claim plan is actually just a really convoluted way for him to claim VT and then kenpachi rule someone If you believe anything chezinu has to say at face value it can only be because you haven't played with him much. As an aside (and this is more pointed at crossfire, who has a terrible abomination of a post a little earlier), if you're going to be gone for an hour, instead of following the game, make your posts freaking legible instead. like, if you have a huge case with a bunch of paragraphs, just write it in normal english, post the thing, and wait an hour. The game is fine and all, and if you want to banter and go back and forth, do it. But the terrible lobstrosity of a post that crossfire puked into the thread is the kind of thing that doesn't help. There are times to break the rules. In a way, chezinu knows this better than anyone here, but hes too busy being chezinu to lead town. breaking the rules is not a scum move, any more than simply not posting for an hour is a scum move. tons of people have 1+ hour gaps in between their craptacularly bad alphabetical posts-- you should just make decent, good posts instead if you're not in the middle of a conversation. | ||
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Arkham City, although a bit on the old side, shows a classic "Adam as town opening post" On February 06 2012 21:45 Adam4167 wrote: All this setup piffle is useless and counterproductive. Both sides can post filler about the setup. Let power roles make their own judgement calls, let the night actions unfold as they do, and spend your time doing something that will actually lead to scum kills, like prodding people or reading filters. In the spirit of that: Kurumi, you soft-defend Schworz twice in a single post, also indicate that vigi's should avoid him and the rest of your post is basic setup waffle. I don't remember you being this wishy-washy in TL50 either, with statements like 'I find it funny that...' and 'I just ponder', you sure come off that way now. What are you playing at? Tobberoth, you say you're considering a vote on Kenpachi, yet you want to wait until 'discussion comes up later in the day'. This comes off as quite passive and almost like you're waiting for a bandwagon to pickup speed before you seal the deal. Why not just vote him now if you find him suspicious, as you claim, then move it later as more information presents itself? Ico, policy lynches are retarded... just no. Jaybrundage, I know you haven't even posted yet, but we've never been the same team. Don't see why this game would be any different. Have my vote! ##Vote: jaybrundage This is a post where he lays down solid opinions, makes a case and a post, and although his vote on JB isn't great, he gets his stuff together. Even in our first game together, Student Mafia, he comes out strong, actively assessing players in the thread and laying down reads, not asking pointless questions. Here's his first posts from this game, as a contrast: On October 31 2012 11:08 Adam4167 wrote: Adam has typed out four posts now only to be beaten to posting them. Beginning to go Bruce Banner on this posting restriction and its only 45 minutes in. On October 31 2012 11:54 Adam4167 wrote: Very astute Blazinghand, that you've managed to discern my alignment from a 2 line post. What happened was I got sick of reforming my post and hit Control+A then delete. Xena warrior princess is awesome. You're Wrong. Zero town cred do I care about, only killing scum. He's operating under a posting restriction, sure, but look at what he's doing: he's stalling, deflecting, and asking questions rather than making statements and putting on pressure. After I call him out, he says this: On October 31 2012 12:12 Adam4167 wrote: For what it is worth, my post was an introduction post that outlined that since I am newly unemployed, I am online from 9am KST til 1am KST every night, and that my usual 'meta' of lurking will not be the case here. Given that the time for introductory posts is over and you have the gist of what it entailed, lets move on to something actually productive. I'd like to know why Broodking is making a pressure vote, yet following it up with 'oh its just a joke', completely invalidating any pressure that may have come with it. This is not town Adam. Town Adam is fearless, open with his thoughts, and votes at the drop of a hat. In fact, here's town Adam's opinion of my play from our last game together, our first newbie game: On December 05 2011 01:38 Adam4167 wrote: /// My thoughts on Blazinghands aggression so far is that I feel he is trying to generate discussion. However, I question whether he is trying too hard to establish himself as a townie by his badgering. This, coupled with his apparent buddy-buddy relationship with Velinath has me keeping a close eye on both of them as I find it strange that they are apparently “BFF’s” after only 12 hours of play. So to directly answer your question, Tunkeg, I find his behaviour suspicious and erring on the side of Anti-town. 5 separate votes in 12 hours is akin to spam and is just leading the town around in circles, rather than focusing on any one target. /// I feel that by flinging your vote in every direction, you have cheapened the weight of your vote when you eventually do decide to settle on a target. I also feel the need to point out again that you have had 5 separate votes in 12 hours, which is almost half of the players participating. You’ve caught my attention Blazinghand, don’t slip =). This is a response of a player who doesn't already know the alignment of the guy he's talkign with, a player who's trying to reason things out and learn. He wants to use my activity as a tool for himself (in this game I threw a vote on him very early with minimal evidence as well). He wants to figure out what I'm doing, who I am, and how to use me to find scum, if I'm not scum. He immediately channels his responses to the early aggression into useful channels. He does none of that this game. Adam is scum. Easy. | ||
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On November 01 2012 04:56 gonzaw wrote: Yo I guess you don't care about the posting restriction anymore BH? Well I might do that with my bigger posts, since they come off horrible when trying to fit my thoughts into the restriction; although it'd stiffle discussion a lot (for instance now I can't discuss with you anything and once you can post again the thread of the discussion will be lost basically). Xena, you make some good points, although you seem to be ignoring his pressure of BKE; do you think him pressuring BKE looking at his past games and shit would be "a player who's trying to reason things out and learn" or not? Zoo, again because you haven't mentioned that. Also, again I'd like your thoughts on Keirathi. Boldly I feel that he hasn't done much ever since I called him out, he just kept hung on the Chezinu issue yet again and posting minimally yet again Frankly, I'm dissapointed in you, Gonzaw. Usually scum players don't reveal they're not reading the thread until much later in the game. AFter all, you were fully aware that I had previously made a post outside the alphabet rules: On November 01 2012 04:29 gonzaw wrote: Natalie it seems like we have more people failing the post restriction >_> Oh, BH once you come back from your 1 hour detention, could you post your thoughts on Keirathi? Perhaps or you still think Adam is scum for that 1st post of his? Query him you did but I don't really see why your vote is on him; I'll check it out again though And that post, in fact, is the one in which I talked about my interaction with the posting restriction. On November 01 2012 01:22 Blazinghand wrote: The game is fine and all, and if you want to banter and go back and forth, do it. But the terrible lobstrosity of a post that crossfire puked into the thread is the kind of thing that doesn't help. There are times to break the rules. In a way, chezinu knows this better than anyone here, but hes too busy being chezinu to lead town. breaking the rules is not a scum move, any more than simply not posting for an hour is a scum move. tons of people have 1+ hour gaps in between their craptacularly bad alphabetical posts-- you should just make decent, good posts instead if you're not in the middle of a conversation. So, did you not read my post, or did you read my post? Furthermore, given that there were like 2 posts in the hour between my last post and this one, I'd hardly say i'm stifling discussion. This is also a call-out of crossfire, who thinks his monstrosity of an unreadable post (here) is somehow better than 1 hour intervals between thoughtful, reasonable cases. For what it's worth, I simply think crossfire is bad rather than scum. I'd be interested to know how gonzaw seems to have responded to and yet overlooked my personal view of the alphabet rules. And for what it's worth, I don't utterly ignore them-- I just ignore them when I can write a clearer, better message without them. It's more important I do that than I post more than 1 time per hour. As a particular response to crossfire's colossal lack of reading comprehension (which goes well with his writing style: On November 01 2012 05:34 Crossfire99 wrote: Gonzaw, do you agree with blazing's analysis of adam's meta? How is the italicized portion any different from the bold portion? Is not direct Q&A the same as questioning other players, and big paragraphs the same as big pieces of analysis. Judge for yourself and respond, please. Keeping this post in mind as well as his complete lack of trying to play the alphabet game, BH has now registered on my scumdar. Ready the sentence after your bolds. Adam is a confrontational player as town, and is a questioning player as scum. He opens with votes and cases, NOT with analysis and questioning, when he is town. His opening this game, with analysis and questioning instead of jumping out the gate with a major case, is clearly playing to his scum meta. I'm amazed you read my case and didn't understand this. I have no interest in commenting on Keirathi at this time. No cases in this game are currently as good as my case on Adam, which gonzaw is oddly non-committal on. | ||
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As an aside, my posts might not follow the alphabet rule, but i have the correct time between them, and by being clear when I'm not playing along, I'm infinitely more respectful to the spirit of the game than guys who slap letters at the start of their posts. But that' s not even the point. My role PM doesn't say that my job is to earn points in minigames; my Role PM doesn't say that my job is to play in the spirit of WLIIA; my role PM, and your role PMs, if you are town, says you win when all the scum are dead. I will not water down my analysis and play against my win con, and neither should you. The spirit of this game is lynching scum. Anything less than trying your hardest to win is not appropriate. When this can fit into alphabetical order and get the point across, I'll gladly do it. And when it won't, I will, within the guidelines set out in the OPs, not follow the alphabetical order. More specifically regarding your critique of my Adam case, you're missing the point again. Adam does eventually get confrontational (and FourFace was an unbelievably, immeasurably bad player who I believe got banned or something), but as scum he is more cautious. He probes first, then leaps. He is playing with his scum mindset this game, or at least he was while he was still posting in the thread. Look at his opening posts-- the questions, the lack of a commitment, and most importantly the lack of a case and a vote-- this is how he plays as scum. gonzaw-- I'm willing to buy that you did in fact read my post, just not very carefully. On November 01 2012 01:22 Blazinghand wrote: The game is fine and all, and if you want to banter and go back and forth, do it. But the terrible lobstrosity of a post that crossfire puked into the thread is the kind of thing that doesn't help. There are times to break the rules. In a way, chezinu knows this better than anyone here, but hes too busy being chezinu to lead town. breaking the rules is not a scum move, any more than simply not posting for an hour is a scum move. tons of people have 1+ hour gaps in between their craptacularly bad alphabetical posts-- you should just make decent, good posts instead if you're not in the middle of a conversation. I don't know how this seems to be dogmatically in favor of using the 1-hour wait method at all times or the rhyming method at all times. You should read my posts more clearly and think a bit harder about the game. Part of the reason I'm on your ass is that you're not playing like you normally do. This focus from you, and the lack of serious pressure on multiple targets, that's not like you. The gonzaw I know, when he plays town, has fullisades of questions for everyone. Why just this one Keirathi case? Where's your usual constant interrogation and probing of everyone in the town? I remember your posts as being kinda annoying and having formatting issues, and maybe being unfocused, but also being unrelenting in their pressure on multiple targets. What gives? By the way, Mementoss, if your reasoning for voting Crossfire is entirely that he is hard to understand, that's fine, but bear in mind you're basically lynching him for being bad and playing anti-town, but not necessarily for playing like scum. I personally read him as a confused townie who doesn't understand he needs to play to his wincon. He'll shape up. He's not a terrible D1 lynch, but honestly if it comes down to it and nobody wants to go for Adam, I'd rather policy one of these inactive guys than do what's essentially a policy lynch on Crossfire for being illegible. | ||
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Since you're around, what do you think of Adam? You made a pretty useless comment about his self-imposed time out earlier, and asked me about his posting after I voted, to which I have responded. I'd like to hear your comments. For anyone who thinks the Adam case is just meta, let me stir this in for you: we're 30+ hours in, and Adam has only taken one real position-- his vote on mementoss (link). He's backtracked everything else, and pulled away from any other statements he's made. And his case on mementoss? Pretty meek. Pretty lame. Especially the takedown of Mementoss' dj argument, which I found entirely convincing. For gonzaw, you spend about 6-7 sentences flip-flopping about on your read on me. If you have something to say, say it-- I'll gladly respond. If you find me too diplomatic, that's fine, but don't end it with "meh". Not staking out a position isn't good for letting us know what you think, and it's not good for letting me respond in an adequate fashion. That being said, I like your pressure on Adam, and I find it telling that he doesn't post a case or push anyone until A) I have called him out for playing his scum meta and B) you also call him out for not making any cases 24+ hours into the game. And by "telling" I mean "Adam is scum" | ||
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As far as Adam's backtracking, it's worth noting that changing your mind is not a scumtell, but arbitrarily shifting your views with no reasoning is. Basically anything that obfuscates town understanding what's going on is bad. Crossfire is guilty of this, but in my view his transgressions are not willfull, but accidental. Don't think he's off the hook-- I expect him to get more on the ball as the game continues. | ||
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Xcellent catch, Hopeless1, not sure what to make of BKEXE, since 3:20 AM PST is 1900 KST, or forum time. You know, it's not at all lined up with what BKEXE claims. Zero credibility on this, BKEXE. Are you going to explain yourself? | ||
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If you weren't you, but someone else trying to read your filter, you'd be like "damn this Adam guy is scum" but of course, you're you so instead you're like "I am scum lololooooo" | ||
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On November 03 2012 09:56 Stutters695 wrote: Well I had a more lengthy post typed up but when TL went down I lost it. General gist of it was I don't quite see how it makes more sense to suggest viging Adam over the guy who waited until his vote was meaningless before casting it and not really putting up a fight to try and get his target chosen. I haven't checked his previous games yet so that might be in line with his meta but through my first read of the thread that really stood out the most. the 6th donut tells the story you want to hear | ||
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On November 02 2012 09:58 gonzaw wrote: ##Unvote: Mementos ##Vote: Mementos Whose sole purpose was to make sure Mementoss did not get lynched. I know I cut Mementoss some slack on his questionable Crossfire vote, but this new context brings me to believe he's scum. ##vote Mementoss | ||
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Look, I'm a flexible guy. I talk with people. I'll banter, or even interact with you-- if by some horrible mischance, you are town, your thoughts will be valuable, since after you flip you'd be a confirmed townie. If you're scum, of course, you'll avoid meaningful interaction. So why don't we interact and see how things go? | ||
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On November 04 2012 14:14 Keirathi wrote: Whatever, I'm not going to start an argument with you, because I think you're town and have good intentions. And, I don't even think you're necessarily *WRONG* about Hopeless being town, since I've believed he was town most of the game, but the fact that you're unwilling to reevaluate in light of new information just blows my mind. I've re-evaluated, and my re-evaluation is that Hopeless is still totally town. I suppose we can agree to disagree, but any vote for Hopeless1 is a vote to lynch a townie, and a vote I cannot abide. | ||
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On November 05 2012 09:46 Adam4167 wrote: I am not trying to get you lynched today, its Mementoss turn to dance the hempen jig. Your turn is tomorrow, but I may as well make my thoughts known today, as its a slow news day and someone will most probably die tonight. Hopeless is not scum and you are literally 100% wrong if you think he's scum, or want to waste a lynch on him. Anyone who disagrees with me on this will be shot tonight. | ||
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On November 05 2012 09:49 Adam4167 wrote: The only 'special information' that I have access to is having your entire team pinned by the end of day 1. I have my reads, I back them in to be right. All you do by attacking hopeless is make yourself look scummier, Adam. | ||
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Pull your head out of the sand and realize the truth. | ||
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So yeah, if I flip, don't kill Hopeless. I will be very surprised if I flip though. In any case, Hopeless gave me his points so I could turn them into night actions again, and I'm shooting Chezinu. It was a tough choice between him and Adam, but Chezinu is unreadable to me and doesn't react to pressure and questions in a way that would let me get a town or scumread on him. He is a liability and is worth killing via KP rather than Lynch. I've also used 2 other night actions, but neither of those will matter until just after daybreak. If I get roleblocked, Chez will live. It's possible Mafia can spend points in the same way town can, but unlikely. I'm intentionally not claiming my name, and Hopeless, you don't do it either. IF scum claims blue they'll need to make some guesses. | ||
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Didn't do any checks. I shot Chez, Veteraned Myself and Masoned someone. In all likelihood scum shot SnB or me. In any case, Keirathi, Sutters, and Crossfire are the three non-confirmed townies right now. World's worse Paramedic? | ||
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I agree with Hopeless. Everyone who's not confirmed town, claim points given and exactly who you gave it to. Then Hopeless, S&B and I will claim our point receipts and donations. World's worst chef? | ||
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I really don't care whether or not there's an SK or a third party or whatever. Veteran and Vigi shot are both fairly expensive so I can't guarantee that we'll all be able to shoot the two survivors AND all be veteraned, but I spent some points to Mason up with either S&B or Hopeless1 and we'll determine how to distribute the points, who gets to be a veteran, and who vigi/dts who, privately. Scum will not have an opportunity to listen to us talk about it in the thread. To the one of us who isn't in the Masonry, I'm sorry, but I didn't have the points for it last night. I'll display a set of options here in the thread and give you my spare points enough to do whatever extra stuff beyond Veteraning yourself that needs to be done tonight by you, if anything. At the very least though you will need to Veteran yourself, though you should have enough points on hand to do that already. If you have spare points to give me, that's fine too-- but we can work that out once night starts. I'm gonna sit down and look at filters, and we can decide who we want to lynch today. Currently, the townies with the most information in this game are the unconfirmed ones, since they know their own alignments plus that of the confirmed townies. I 100% expect all three of you to make an extensive post on which of you is scum. If you don't do that, I don't see how you're playing to your win-con. It's entirely possible for scum still to win. The reason I know this is that the last scum hasn't surrendered yet-- he still thinks he can win. I'm gonna read some filters and be back in a few hours. Any unconfirmed townie who doesn't make a case against, or at least specify which, of the other unconfirmed townies he thinks is scum, is hurting town. World's worst pencil sharpener? | ||
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Why claim performers? WE know there's exactly 3 blues alive, that should be enough. By not claiming performers, we deny scum the ability to know who they are counterclaiming if he claims blue. World's worst beverage? | ||
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Chezinu did not send you his points-- He sent me a 663 points, then I shot him and recieved 1337 points. All of Chezinu's points are accounted for. Also, I was shot last night, so all shots last night are accounted for. World's worst type of bird? | ||
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Hopeless1 do you have the power to ##involve? We could use it as a day-DT check if so. | ||
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Blues should not claim names. There's literally no benefit to it. All it does is let you know who you're up against if you counterclaim, Crossfire. There's no need to give you that information. ##vote: Crossfire World's worst furniture classification? | ||
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##involve: Keirathi This will tell us Keirathi's alignment at the start of the night. Worst type of computer? | ||
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Well, I see no reason to worry about it too much. I have a day-DT thing I can use on you, then we can shoot/lynch whoever is left out of the unconfirmed townies. world's worst computer (again)? | ||
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Tell you what, I'm masoned with S&B. I'll just ask him for his name. I know Hopeless' name and my name, so we'll be fine. world's worst animal? | ||
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I've confirmed with S&B. He, Hopeless1 and I all have the correct names. World's worst voip program? | ||
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Personally I think you should just vote whatever unconfirmed you think is scummiest. Crossfire is probably best though. As long as the confirmed players vote as a bloc, what you guys do is irrelevant (unless one of you self-votes). I personally found the case against Crossfire to be quite convincing, so I voted him. I'm also using a power on you to basically dt check you, so at the start of N1 we'll know your alignment-- so we should either lynch Crossfire or Stutters today. In the event that Crossfire is in fact town, we'll still get a guaranteed win because I'll have the check result on you at the start of N1. We can just use our last shot on either you or the other, and even if there was a framer or a godfather involved, it'll be 2-1 lylo tomorrow with 2 confirmed townies... basically lynch crossfire, we can't lose world's worst fart joke? | ||
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If it really comes down to it, town could pool points for 2 vigi shots tonight, on two unconfirmed. Even if the scum guy is NK-immune we'll at least make it into a 2-1 lylo with two confirmed town. I'm really not clear on how scum even possibly wins this. Perhaps he's just not very bright. Are we missing something here? World's worst dictator? | ||
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Well, truth be told, our powers and what we're able to buy all differ slightly. We all have access to Veteran and can all make vigi shots, but in terms of medic saves, RBs, tracking, and day actions, we all have different menus. World's worst cell phone? | ||
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Well, despite pushing us a tick closer to LYLO, Crossfire did make today a bit simpler by getting himself modkilled. ##unvote ##vote: Stutters695 World's worst apple? | ||
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For what it's worth, if I weren't already using my DT check on Kei, i'd be lynching him over you. World's worst masonry? | ||
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Hopeless or S&B 150 would let me Veteran, and 400 would let me Veteran *and* roleblock Keirathi to stop any shenanigans tonight. Make sure to mention it in the thread when you give me points so you don't both do it. Make sure you still have enough points to Veteran + Vigi, Hopeless, and you still have enough points to Vigi, S&B. I'll be checking in occasionally. | ||
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Here's his crumb | ||
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Hopeless1, you have enough points to shoot Keirathi and Vet yourself, right? | ||
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Sounds good? | ||
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Hopeless: Vet and shoot Keirathi Me: Vet and RB Keirathi S&B: shoot keirathi If we do this, we can't lose. Even if something weird happens, the only one of us he can kill is S&B, and then we lynch him tomorrow. If it turns out there's not enough points, we do this instead: Hopeless: Vet Me: Vet and RB Keirathi S&B: shoot keirathi And if Keirathi survives the night somehow we just lynch him tomorrow. | ||
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 well, just vet yourself. S&B can handle the shooting tonight. anyone around between now and daybreak? | ||
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DO NOT shoot S&B. shoot Keirathi. | ||
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Hopeless, even if you dont' have the confirmation from igrok yet, send him a pm like this: "If I received 1050 pts and haven't been informed about it yet, use the extra points to vet + shoot Keirathi. If not, just vet" | ||
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On November 09 2012 10:51 Hopeless1der wrote: But...I can do math. Also, conditional voting is almost never allowed, why would conditional night actions\point transfers? If I don't get allowed a grace period upon mod return, I'll be sad. SEND THE DAMN PM DUDE Christ. | ||
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Don't assume a grace period cause all that will do is waste your points. | ||
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I don't even understand you | ||
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On November 09 2012 11:11 Keirathi wrote: Angry I was this game? I was angry in GSL 3. I didn't rage even once this game until just now because you've got your head so far up your ass that you can't even see daylight. <3 I'll save this one for the post game | ||
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you haven't played very town. Your night actions have done nothing so we're taking you down. Hopeless never got those points which you said you gave out and Keirathi lives on So now I'm gonna vote you like a trout | ||
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Which means my vote is all that matters but it also means i have the least info and all our crap is in tatters so I'd like to hear you make a case to kill keirathi in fact it is possible to make one just don't be mad and let your mouth get all... frothy | ||
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because i'm the confirmed town, you two will vote each other. In any case, all that crap after the deadline could have easily been an act I'm gonna read up on S&B's night actions my brother because yes I think he's scum but I would like to be sure. I didn't actually shoot him last night that was a bluff to see what you'd say-- I didn't have the points for it and I was hoping you'd react with fright | ||
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So yeah I mean I'm just hanging out with the cool kids here in the thread wondering where everyone is you might even say that in here it is dead regardless I wonder if someone could say a reason for me to not lynch strongandbig all things considered it'd just liket o know but you know what if you're not gonna swing by S&B it's not big | ||
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Oh, ei-didie-didie-didie-didie-didie-didie! | ||
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S&B you really had me fooled up until you made this post in our mason QT: i guess we should game out the possibilities. You mentioned something in-thread about godfathers and framers - do you have any idea how ##involving works if there's a godfather? As soon as you made that post I decided to shoot you in the coming night. That post can only come from a scum mindset. It's too bad you had vet status or were NK-immune or whatever it'd have been awesome to kill two scum. If only I also had enough points to RB you last night in addition to shooting you! Still, even with the slip you played well enough that you probably won if you could steal me and Keirathi's votes today (or even one vote, really). Good work.BKEXE I'd have really liked to see a blue claim from you. I REALLY would like to know why you didn't claim. Overall, I had lots of fun, good game everyone. Thanks to iGrok for hosting! | ||
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On November 10 2012 03:08 strongandbig wrote: only because you read it knowing I was scum. confirmation bias. otherwise presumably someone would have read it and called me scum? Maybe? I shot you. Does that count? I voted you. That should also count. If you weren't stealing a vote, you were dead. | ||
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On November 10 2012 03:09 Hopeless1der wrote: I completely disagree with this point. BH and Keir were 100% committed to killing you before the Night ended. At this point, I'm done arguing it. keir and S&B were obviously gonna vote each other, and I was voting S&B and had shot him the previous night. If he wants to think he was gonna win, that's his prerogative. We'll have to agree to disagree. You can take a horse to water, but that's it. | ||
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EDIT: I guess maybe I should say i gladly vote people, not lynch people. Sometimes I manage to get the lynch off, like on prplhz in that one mini | ||
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Edit: In a way, I almost consider talking about IRL excuses "cheating" in the sense that it's a non-defense that people for whatever reason accept. If I'm ever away from the thread for a period of time, I never give a reason for it. Mafia is about mafia, and that's it. | ||
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EDIT: On November 10 2012 03:37 strongandbig wrote: I feel similar, but how I deal with it is never lying about irl circumstances and assuming other people will do the same. Everything I said in this thread about irl with the night shift and day shift changing was 100% true and would have been exactly as true if I was town. It doesn't matter whether it would have been true or not. When someone makes an IRL excuse, I just tune it out. Such sentences literally carry no meaning for me. If someone does it enough, it becomes suspicious. But all I pay attention to is when a guy was or wasn't active, regardless of whether he has an excuse for it. I really really don't care, and honestly your inactivity is not the reason I tried to kill you-- I don't view it as scummy. It was being out of thread a bit, and yeah you missed the first 24h of the last day but that didn't mean anything, excuse or no. That stuff is null to me. | ||
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On November 10 2012 03:43 gonzaw wrote: It would also have been enough to strike a little doubt in your head (you'd tell yourself "maybe he's right? Nah he's scum.....what if he isn't?) and that'd be enough for me. Lol have you ever played with me? | ||
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Sorry, you never really convinced me-- you weren't particularly scummy, but you were the "unconfirmed town". S&B was playing a little bit scummily though, and basically he made a mistake in the QT. If it weren't for that, I may not have shot him. Overall I didn't particularly trust his blue claim because Wayne Brady is a musician | ||
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On November 10 2012 04:38 Crossfire99 wrote: Was my case on S&B not convincing enough? I erm, probably didn't read it. I usually don't read other people's cases in depth a whole lot unless they're on me or I think there's something to use against them in it (EDIT: or it's a really good case, or from a confirmed townie). I skimmed it I guess. S&B basically made two mistakes this game: 1) a bunch of night actions with no results, a classic fake-claim tell 2) claiming scum to me in the mason QT By the time you were confirmed town, I had already made up my mind to shoot S&B. | ||
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On November 10 2012 04:39 Keirathi wrote: Ah okey, I was hoping but of course I wasn't sure. Well, my goal wasn't really to "convince you" that I was town. My goal was to convince you both to do whatever it took to ensure that you won, particularly that you should both vet. Yeah I mean we both played our parts quite well. Being minorly convinced by you to extract points from S&B was pretty awesome. | ||
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On November 10 2012 04:40 Crossfire99 wrote: How do you get by if you don't read peoples cases? lol I made a stealthy edit. Basically I'm magic, but by the time you were flipped I already knew I was shooting S&B. Case or no case. I mean, I can't really trust other players since they're scum. I guess the big thing is I don't read people's posts to be convinced by them, I read people's posts to get a read on the person who is writing the post. Basically, if Adam writes a case on Bob, that tells me more about Adam than it does about Bob most of the time. If it's a great case, then it'll tell me stuff about Bob, but if it's a great case, what it really tells me is that Adam isn't scum. Of course in that case I vote against Bob, but the point I'm making is for me, I typically formulate reads based on what people post, then I push people I think are scum. I try not to let other things distract me. I don't think I'd get along well with another player who played like me. | ||
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On November 10 2012 04:54 Hopeless1der wrote: That HAD to have been intentional. Too bad I was the best looking performer Yeah that was definitely intentional. I was soft-claiming the vigi shot there. I think I directly claimed it later. | ||
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Trust me if I thought you were scum I'd have shot you or lynched you at some point-- I had plenty of bullets. If you were really confident in your own towniness, as I said, you have nothing to fear. You got shot by someone else, dude. | ||
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On November 10 2012 07:58 BroodKingEXE wrote: Sorry, for my horrible play this game, I got confused so hard. It happens. Next time, though, rolelcaim if you're going to be lynched. We all have games where we play a bit scummy and end up attracting votes, but when you're Blue you have a trump card to play-- you should have played it. On November 10 2012 07:59 Adam4167 wrote: I'm not butt at all, just some advice. I cant help but feel that it probably lead to hopeless shooting me, which was a terrible shot. I didn't shoot you, I didn't lynch you, and I had numerous opportunities to do both. If you're not personally capable enough to prove yourself townie against a feint from me, that's not my problem. Maybe you should be talking to the guy who shot you, or examining your own play, since you were the one who absorbed a bullet. EDIT: For what it's worth, I did find you a bit scummy. You weren't really worth a bullet though, and certainly not a lynch. | ||
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On November 10 2012 08:07 Adam4167 wrote: Relax a bit would you? The point of post game discussion is to talk about the game and how it unfolded. Fair enough. Just some advice for you. On November 10 2012 08:07 BroodKingEXE wrote: I had the blue role with no role, from what I gleaned from the OP we received our role at the beggining of each day. This would mean I would be unverifiable till D3. Its a pretty tough claim to defend. So you knew you were a blue, and still didn't claim? You could have claimed your name, at least. Like, why not employ that tool to keep yourself alive? | ||
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On November 10 2012 08:15 Adam4167 wrote: I do analyze my own play, every game, and i'm the harshest judge. A majority of the town knew I was town. Unfortunately the two who seemed to question it were the two confirmed blues, ultimately leading to my death. I cant control what everyone else does, but at least I can try to offer advice so it doesn't happen in the future. Well, next game I'll make extra sure not to lynch or shoot you  (if you are town) | ||
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