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Blazinghand
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When it was posted on twitter it was 3:20 AM PST - 31 Oct 12:
Xcellent catch, Hopeless1, not sure what to make of BKEXE, since 3:20 AM PST is 1900 KST, or forum time. You know, it's not at all lined up with what BKEXE claims. Zero credibility on this, BKEXE. Are you going to explain yourself?
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BH, I dont check twitter at that time. Cause of the power outage I thought my vote hadn't gone in, I didn't check the timing of the outage. Derp me just looked at the post and said the outage must have fucked up the vote.
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On November 02 2012 04:22 BroodKingEXE wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 01:52 Mementoss wrote: Keirathi Okay so some preface, I think Keirathi has been slipping through this game without being mentioned too much. So I decided to look at his filter and noticed some scummy things. Lets go through it. Part I: Spreading AccusationsAll game, Keirethi has been spreading accusations very very subtly while never going deeper into them, he has yet to give a strong opinion that he thinks would be good for a lynch. Overall, hes looking active while not doing anything to push a scum lynch. His play seems to represent someone that doesn't care who gets lynched at all. Lets look at a couple examples of this: On November 01 2012 03:38 Keirathi wrote:
'Kay, so how is my question to Chezinu unimportant? Looks to me like he wanted all of our blues to claim. Maybe its just me, having never played with Chezinu, but that was a pretty anti-town plan.
Now, I did comment on the BKE thing. On its own, its not particularly scummy. Particularly, though, the fact that he hasn't done any kind of early pressure vote in any of his last 7 town games is a bit weird. Still, even then I only think its minorly scummy and would never be enough to make me vote him. His questions at chezinu seem to hint that he thinks what he is doing is scummy and pushing scum agenda, yet he just calls him ut on an anti town plan and never follows up. He says on its own its not scummy, than hints that his meta doesn't match so its a bit "weird". Never commits completely to his opinion on thinking hes scummy, but ends with scummy but not enough to vote him. Gives him an out if he flips red, that he didn't defend him he just couldnt make up his mind. On November 01 2012 14:00 Keirathi wrote:On October 31 2012 23:13 Mementoss wrote:
Nooooo chezinu ninjad me good thing I checked, I cant do the alphabet very well I have to say it completely out all the time lol. Oh, I agree with that fact that purposely fucking up is scummy because it gives you a free pass not to post, however, BKE seemed to be not understanding the rules at first, and the second time the posts were 3 min apart so its possible for ninja post. Poop, just to clarify this doesn't excuse his ridiuclous joke vote/call out on a "scum slip", it seemed like a desperate attempt to put fault on someone, but he fucked up with the rules. Qonsequently BKE, so far is the only player that stands out to me as somewhat scummy.
Reading chezinus last post, I still don't agree with the mass claim idea. Sit will still end up with everyone claiming audience memebers. Tangerine, chezinu, why do you feeld it was nessecary to give the player list :S ? On November 01 2012 06:08 Mementoss wrote:On October 31 2012 11:38 Blazinghand wrote:
Love to. My reason is that at this point in the thread he is the scummiest. "No way," you say, "he hasn't posted yet!" Often, that is reason enough. Proof of his scumminess is that he is a general liability.
Quack is the sound ducks make. Really though I'm gonna change my vote to Adam there's no way that post is town. Seriously if he was reforming posts he'd reform his post into that post instead of making a complaining post. Trying to get cred when he deserves none. Untie! Going to gym, fuck the rules. Only got 5 minutes but would like to comment on a few things.
The above is your case against Adam right? I don't consider it the strongest case, as you above seem pretty confident in it, but the fact that he hasn't been back to contribute is pretty un easing. leaning scummy on him right now. I half agree to what you say about crossfire too blazinghand. His posts were unreadable thats for sure. I had to re-read several paragraphs 3 times before I even understood what the point was, and then it didn't even deliverable the point well -_-. This is more likely xfire posting as town because he was being ridiculous, but I also think there is a possibility he started posting these long unreadable fluffy statements, so that maybe someone else would follow his ridiculous posting style and muck up the town completely. Thats scum intereference. Also, he actually looks to the non-reader, that he is contributing more than most, when really, hes more interested in literary skills and looking town, than actually finding scum. ATM I would be happy to vote either Xfire or BKE, (which I stated earlier why I thought his fake joke stuff seemed scummy, while his purposely?? getting restrictions wasn't liekly scummy), could go for Adam too, but I would rather wait for him to come into the thread again before doing that. Gunna lay down a vote Xfire atm. Need to re-read the thread and consider all the options, I have been either asleep or at work for this whole thread thus far. ##Vote Crossfire Xtremely weird change of opinion, there. You go from saying its scummy to blatantly not follow the alphabet rules, to doing it yourself without any indication why you suddenly don't care anymore. Zero sense does that make. Again says its weird, not scummy. Just says it makes zero sense. Keirathi has zero desire to get a lynch going today, and he is afraid to commit. Hes leaving himself many avenues open for later when he decides to vote. On November 02 2012 01:18 Keirathi wrote:On November 01 2012 06:55 Blazinghand wrote:gonzaw-- I'm willing to buy that you did in fact read my post, just not very carefully. On November 01 2012 01:22 Blazinghand wrote:
The game is fine and all, and if you want to banter and go back and forth, do it. But the terrible lobstrosity of a post that crossfire puked into the thread is the kind of thing that doesn't help. There are times to break the rules. In a way, chezinu knows this better than anyone here, but hes too busy being chezinu to lead town.
breaking the rules is not a scum move, any more than simply not posting for an hour is a scum move. tons of people have 1+ hour gaps in between their craptacularly bad alphabetical posts-- you should just make decent, good posts instead if you're not in the middle of a conversation. I don't know how this seems to be dogmatically in favor of using the 1-hour wait method at all times or the rhyming method at all times. You should read my posts more clearly and think a bit harder about the game. Part of the reason I'm on your ass is that you're not playing like you normally do. This focus from you, and the lack of serious pressure on multiple targets, that's not like you. The gonzaw I know, when he plays town, has fullisades of questions for everyone. Why just this one Keirathi case? Where's your usual constant interrogation and probing of everyone in the town? I remember your posts as being kinda annoying and having formatting issues, and maybe being unfocused, but also being unrelenting in their pressure on multiple targets. What gives? Forgive me for not commenting on this sooner sooner, but I just now had the available time to do the research. Go back and look at Aperture 2. He literally made a case/accusation against EVERY SINGLE PLAYER day 1. Its just such a huge disconnect from "everyone is scummy, lets question/accuse them!" to "well, this one guy is kinda scummy because he hasn't posted as much as I expect him to". Just my opinion, but this doesn't really fit the town gonzaw that I remember either. Again spreading some suspicion on gonzaw. Not saying hes scummy per sae but saying his meta doesn't fit aperature 2. And ALSO he doesn't mention that gonzaw was traitor in aperture 2, and he won with scum, so this meta doesn't even make sense. He doesn't follow up with in game evidence or even ask gonzaw to clarify anything. This brings me to my next point. Part II - Doesn't fit the metaEvery game I have played with Keirathi he has been very active and has been a major part in pushing discussion. Even if hes not scumhunting hes pushing discussion in strategic ways. This game has been the very opposite. He is a commentator, active, without pushing discussion to actually find scum. That is all I have to say on this, because meta should just be a supportable part not the main part of a case. Part III - Active LurkerKeirathi has been actually quite active in this game at many times, however he has only put down a few lines every time he has been here, and choses not to discuss the current parts of the thread. He timeline seems to sprinkle at many times in the thread, indicating he is chosing not to contribute in his normal town manner, or he doesn't overly care about finding scum. Just to separate himself from the major lurkers in this game. He also has been excessively lazy this game and making excuses. On October 31 2012 14:02 Keirathi wrote:On October 31 2012 13:55 Adam4167 wrote:
Perhaps click on his profile and check for yourself?
Quite simple really.
Red he has never been.
Sure, I could have checked myself, but you already did the research  Totally easier to just ask you to share. On October 31 2012 13:33 Keirathi wrote:On October 31 2012 12:44 Crossfire99 wrote:Gosh, what have we here? On October 31 2012 12:22 Keirathi wrote:
'Sup, everyone. Time to get rid of those pesky musicians. How have you not posted on what has happened so far? I seem to remember the talkative little townie in Aperature that wasn't afraid to comment on anything. Keirathi was enjoying some Diablo 3 with a buddy. Looking back over the posts since I chimed it, it doesn't look like theres really a whole lot to comment on. Maybe its just me, but while this posting restriction is very entertaining, its quite hard to say exactly what you mean. He is apathetic. He knows better than this, there is never gunna be anyting to comment on unless you push the discussion, which keirathi has not beeen trying to do like his normal town self. Making an excuse to blame the mechanics for not posting. ##Unvote
##Vote: Keirathi[-] Other stuff: Alright so Im still not sure on crossfire, but I think there are more likely places to catch scum than him so im taking my vote off him. I can see what hes doing from both alignments, so I shouldn't make a solid choice on only that. His reaction didn't really lead me any further with more of an opinion on him. Probably 2nd scummiest player imo is BKE, I agree with SnB on his thoughts on him. Dingaling, is also an option but it would be strictly policy lynch at this point. I think he is more likely unactive than lurking. When is deadline? 10 hours? We need to somewhat start consolidating or discussing your straight up two best scum reads asaply. Bottom part is so scummy, because you basically say your vote for Keir isn't pushed by your case but by the lack of Xfire's scummness. Cause of this, it shows me that you have no confidence in this case about Keir, because you had to justify a vote change. Dingaling shouldn't even be included in this post as you already have two scum reads, why would you support a policy lynch when you have two scum? Eyeing one of Hopeless posts, I noticed I hadn't unvoted and voted is that what you guys are saying Im am being hypocritical on?
BHow does it show that at all. CI was just verifying/ re-evaluating my read on crossfire because people were still mentioning it.
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Blazinghand
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Entirely your fault, BKEXE. Friendly word of advice is to post in the voting thread when you vote, as you have now done. Getting down to brass tacks: you need to vote for someone other than Hopeless1. He's not scummy and you're wasting your vote and hurting town. It's simple: vote for scum instead. Just at least make a case against someone else, cause Hopeless is NOT getting lynched today.
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On November 02 2012 06:05 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 04:22 BroodKingEXE wrote:On November 02 2012 01:52 Mementoss wrote: Keirathi Okay so some preface, I think Keirathi has been slipping through this game without being mentioned too much. So I decided to look at his filter and noticed some scummy things. Lets go through it. Part I: Spreading AccusationsAll game, Keirethi has been spreading accusations very very subtly while never going deeper into them, he has yet to give a strong opinion that he thinks would be good for a lynch. Overall, hes looking active while not doing anything to push a scum lynch. His play seems to represent someone that doesn't care who gets lynched at all. Lets look at a couple examples of this: On November 01 2012 03:38 Keirathi wrote:
'Kay, so how is my question to Chezinu unimportant? Looks to me like he wanted all of our blues to claim. Maybe its just me, having never played with Chezinu, but that was a pretty anti-town plan.
Now, I did comment on the BKE thing. On its own, its not particularly scummy. Particularly, though, the fact that he hasn't done any kind of early pressure vote in any of his last 7 town games is a bit weird. Still, even then I only think its minorly scummy and would never be enough to make me vote him. His questions at chezinu seem to hint that he thinks what he is doing is scummy and pushing scum agenda, yet he just calls him ut on an anti town plan and never follows up. He says on its own its not scummy, than hints that his meta doesn't match so its a bit "weird". Never commits completely to his opinion on thinking hes scummy, but ends with scummy but not enough to vote him. Gives him an out if he flips red, that he didn't defend him he just couldnt make up his mind. On November 01 2012 14:00 Keirathi wrote:On October 31 2012 23:13 Mementoss wrote:
Nooooo chezinu ninjad me good thing I checked, I cant do the alphabet very well I have to say it completely out all the time lol. Oh, I agree with that fact that purposely fucking up is scummy because it gives you a free pass not to post, however, BKE seemed to be not understanding the rules at first, and the second time the posts were 3 min apart so its possible for ninja post. Poop, just to clarify this doesn't excuse his ridiuclous joke vote/call out on a "scum slip", it seemed like a desperate attempt to put fault on someone, but he fucked up with the rules. Qonsequently BKE, so far is the only player that stands out to me as somewhat scummy.
Reading chezinus last post, I still don't agree with the mass claim idea. Sit will still end up with everyone claiming audience memebers. Tangerine, chezinu, why do you feeld it was nessecary to give the player list :S ? On November 01 2012 06:08 Mementoss wrote:On October 31 2012 11:38 Blazinghand wrote:
Love to. My reason is that at this point in the thread he is the scummiest. "No way," you say, "he hasn't posted yet!" Often, that is reason enough. Proof of his scumminess is that he is a general liability.
Quack is the sound ducks make. Really though I'm gonna change my vote to Adam there's no way that post is town. Seriously if he was reforming posts he'd reform his post into that post instead of making a complaining post. Trying to get cred when he deserves none. Untie! Going to gym, fuck the rules. Only got 5 minutes but would like to comment on a few things.
The above is your case against Adam right? I don't consider it the strongest case, as you above seem pretty confident in it, but the fact that he hasn't been back to contribute is pretty un easing. leaning scummy on him right now. I half agree to what you say about crossfire too blazinghand. His posts were unreadable thats for sure. I had to re-read several paragraphs 3 times before I even understood what the point was, and then it didn't even deliverable the point well -_-. This is more likely xfire posting as town because he was being ridiculous, but I also think there is a possibility he started posting these long unreadable fluffy statements, so that maybe someone else would follow his ridiculous posting style and muck up the town completely. Thats scum intereference. Also, he actually looks to the non-reader, that he is contributing more than most, when really, hes more interested in literary skills and looking town, than actually finding scum. ATM I would be happy to vote either Xfire or BKE, (which I stated earlier why I thought his fake joke stuff seemed scummy, while his purposely?? getting restrictions wasn't liekly scummy), could go for Adam too, but I would rather wait for him to come into the thread again before doing that. Gunna lay down a vote Xfire atm. Need to re-read the thread and consider all the options, I have been either asleep or at work for this whole thread thus far. ##Vote Crossfire Xtremely weird change of opinion, there. You go from saying its scummy to blatantly not follow the alphabet rules, to doing it yourself without any indication why you suddenly don't care anymore. Zero sense does that make. Again says its weird, not scummy. Just says it makes zero sense. Keirathi has zero desire to get a lynch going today, and he is afraid to commit. Hes leaving himself many avenues open for later when he decides to vote. On November 02 2012 01:18 Keirathi wrote:On November 01 2012 06:55 Blazinghand wrote:gonzaw-- I'm willing to buy that you did in fact read my post, just not very carefully. On November 01 2012 01:22 Blazinghand wrote:
The game is fine and all, and if you want to banter and go back and forth, do it. But the terrible lobstrosity of a post that crossfire puked into the thread is the kind of thing that doesn't help. There are times to break the rules. In a way, chezinu knows this better than anyone here, but hes too busy being chezinu to lead town.
breaking the rules is not a scum move, any more than simply not posting for an hour is a scum move. tons of people have 1+ hour gaps in between their craptacularly bad alphabetical posts-- you should just make decent, good posts instead if you're not in the middle of a conversation. I don't know how this seems to be dogmatically in favor of using the 1-hour wait method at all times or the rhyming method at all times. You should read my posts more clearly and think a bit harder about the game. Part of the reason I'm on your ass is that you're not playing like you normally do. This focus from you, and the lack of serious pressure on multiple targets, that's not like you. The gonzaw I know, when he plays town, has fullisades of questions for everyone. Why just this one Keirathi case? Where's your usual constant interrogation and probing of everyone in the town? I remember your posts as being kinda annoying and having formatting issues, and maybe being unfocused, but also being unrelenting in their pressure on multiple targets. What gives? Forgive me for not commenting on this sooner sooner, but I just now had the available time to do the research. Go back and look at Aperture 2. He literally made a case/accusation against EVERY SINGLE PLAYER day 1. Its just such a huge disconnect from "everyone is scummy, lets question/accuse them!" to "well, this one guy is kinda scummy because he hasn't posted as much as I expect him to". Just my opinion, but this doesn't really fit the town gonzaw that I remember either. Again spreading some suspicion on gonzaw. Not saying hes scummy per sae but saying his meta doesn't fit aperature 2. And ALSO he doesn't mention that gonzaw was traitor in aperture 2, and he won with scum, so this meta doesn't even make sense. He doesn't follow up with in game evidence or even ask gonzaw to clarify anything. This brings me to my next point. Part II - Doesn't fit the metaEvery game I have played with Keirathi he has been very active and has been a major part in pushing discussion. Even if hes not scumhunting hes pushing discussion in strategic ways. This game has been the very opposite. He is a commentator, active, without pushing discussion to actually find scum. That is all I have to say on this, because meta should just be a supportable part not the main part of a case. Part III - Active LurkerKeirathi has been actually quite active in this game at many times, however he has only put down a few lines every time he has been here, and choses not to discuss the current parts of the thread. He timeline seems to sprinkle at many times in the thread, indicating he is chosing not to contribute in his normal town manner, or he doesn't overly care about finding scum. Just to separate himself from the major lurkers in this game. He also has been excessively lazy this game and making excuses. On October 31 2012 14:02 Keirathi wrote:On October 31 2012 13:55 Adam4167 wrote:
Perhaps click on his profile and check for yourself?
Quite simple really.
Red he has never been.
Sure, I could have checked myself, but you already did the research Totally easier to just ask you to share. On October 31 2012 13:33 Keirathi wrote:On October 31 2012 12:44 Crossfire99 wrote:Gosh, what have we here? On October 31 2012 12:22 Keirathi wrote:
'Sup, everyone. Time to get rid of those pesky musicians. How have you not posted on what has happened so far? I seem to remember the talkative little townie in Aperature that wasn't afraid to comment on anything. Keirathi was enjoying some Diablo 3 with a buddy. Looking back over the posts since I chimed it, it doesn't look like theres really a whole lot to comment on. Maybe its just me, but while this posting restriction is very entertaining, its quite hard to say exactly what you mean. He is apathetic. He knows better than this, there is never gunna be anyting to comment on unless you push the discussion, which keirathi has not beeen trying to do like his normal town self. Making an excuse to blame the mechanics for not posting. ##Unvote
##Vote: Keirathi[-] Other stuff: Alright so Im still not sure on crossfire, but I think there are more likely places to catch scum than him so im taking my vote off him. I can see what hes doing from both alignments, so I shouldn't make a solid choice on only that. His reaction didn't really lead me any further with more of an opinion on him. Probably 2nd scummiest player imo is BKE, I agree with SnB on his thoughts on him. Dingaling, is also an option but it would be strictly policy lynch at this point. I think he is more likely unactive than lurking. When is deadline? 10 hours? We need to somewhat start consolidating or discussing your straight up two best scum reads asaply. Bottom part is so scummy, because you basically say your vote for Keir isn't pushed by your case but by the lack of Xfire's scummness. Cause of this, it shows me that you have no confidence in this case about Keir, because you had to justify a vote change. Dingaling shouldn't even be included in this post as you already have two scum reads, why would you support a policy lynch when you have two scum? Eyeing one of Hopeless posts, I noticed I hadn't unvoted and voted is that what you guys are saying Im am being hypocritical on? BHow does it show that at all. CI was just verifying/ re-evaluating my read on crossfire because people were still mentioning it.
Knuckling down here, this is not clarifying anything about your read. Look at what you say "I think there are more likely places to catch scum that him", you initially had a scum read on him, so your read has changed from scum to less likely scum. Moseying down after the bolded part, you say that he is doing neutral posting. No where do you clarify your stance, you just confuse the hell out of us. On my bolded part, it doesn't make sense to say you are unvoting Xfire explicitly because it implies that you think his neutrality is a bigger tell than your own Keir case.
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On November 02 2012 06:25 BroodKingEXE wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 06:05 Mementoss wrote:On November 02 2012 04:22 BroodKingEXE wrote:On November 02 2012 01:52 Mementoss wrote: Keirathi Okay so some preface, I think Keirathi has been slipping through this game without being mentioned too much. So I decided to look at his filter and noticed some scummy things. Lets go through it. Part I: Spreading AccusationsAll game, Keirethi has been spreading accusations very very subtly while never going deeper into them, he has yet to give a strong opinion that he thinks would be good for a lynch. Overall, hes looking active while not doing anything to push a scum lynch. His play seems to represent someone that doesn't care who gets lynched at all. Lets look at a couple examples of this: On November 01 2012 03:38 Keirathi wrote:
'Kay, so how is my question to Chezinu unimportant? Looks to me like he wanted all of our blues to claim. Maybe its just me, having never played with Chezinu, but that was a pretty anti-town plan.
Now, I did comment on the BKE thing. On its own, its not particularly scummy. Particularly, though, the fact that he hasn't done any kind of early pressure vote in any of his last 7 town games is a bit weird. Still, even then I only think its minorly scummy and would never be enough to make me vote him. His questions at chezinu seem to hint that he thinks what he is doing is scummy and pushing scum agenda, yet he just calls him ut on an anti town plan and never follows up. He says on its own its not scummy, than hints that his meta doesn't match so its a bit "weird". Never commits completely to his opinion on thinking hes scummy, but ends with scummy but not enough to vote him. Gives him an out if he flips red, that he didn't defend him he just couldnt make up his mind. On November 01 2012 14:00 Keirathi wrote:On October 31 2012 23:13 Mementoss wrote:
Nooooo chezinu ninjad me good thing I checked, I cant do the alphabet very well I have to say it completely out all the time lol. Oh, I agree with that fact that purposely fucking up is scummy because it gives you a free pass not to post, however, BKE seemed to be not understanding the rules at first, and the second time the posts were 3 min apart so its possible for ninja post. Poop, just to clarify this doesn't excuse his ridiuclous joke vote/call out on a "scum slip", it seemed like a desperate attempt to put fault on someone, but he fucked up with the rules. Qonsequently BKE, so far is the only player that stands out to me as somewhat scummy.
Reading chezinus last post, I still don't agree with the mass claim idea. Sit will still end up with everyone claiming audience memebers. Tangerine, chezinu, why do you feeld it was nessecary to give the player list :S ? On November 01 2012 06:08 Mementoss wrote:On October 31 2012 11:38 Blazinghand wrote:
Love to. My reason is that at this point in the thread he is the scummiest. "No way," you say, "he hasn't posted yet!" Often, that is reason enough. Proof of his scumminess is that he is a general liability.
Quack is the sound ducks make. Really though I'm gonna change my vote to Adam there's no way that post is town. Seriously if he was reforming posts he'd reform his post into that post instead of making a complaining post. Trying to get cred when he deserves none. Untie! Going to gym, fuck the rules. Only got 5 minutes but would like to comment on a few things.
The above is your case against Adam right? I don't consider it the strongest case, as you above seem pretty confident in it, but the fact that he hasn't been back to contribute is pretty un easing. leaning scummy on him right now. I half agree to what you say about crossfire too blazinghand. His posts were unreadable thats for sure. I had to re-read several paragraphs 3 times before I even understood what the point was, and then it didn't even deliverable the point well -_-. This is more likely xfire posting as town because he was being ridiculous, but I also think there is a possibility he started posting these long unreadable fluffy statements, so that maybe someone else would follow his ridiculous posting style and muck up the town completely. Thats scum intereference. Also, he actually looks to the non-reader, that he is contributing more than most, when really, hes more interested in literary skills and looking town, than actually finding scum. ATM I would be happy to vote either Xfire or BKE, (which I stated earlier why I thought his fake joke stuff seemed scummy, while his purposely?? getting restrictions wasn't liekly scummy), could go for Adam too, but I would rather wait for him to come into the thread again before doing that. Gunna lay down a vote Xfire atm. Need to re-read the thread and consider all the options, I have been either asleep or at work for this whole thread thus far. ##Vote Crossfire Xtremely weird change of opinion, there. You go from saying its scummy to blatantly not follow the alphabet rules, to doing it yourself without any indication why you suddenly don't care anymore. Zero sense does that make. Again says its weird, not scummy. Just says it makes zero sense. Keirathi has zero desire to get a lynch going today, and he is afraid to commit. Hes leaving himself many avenues open for later when he decides to vote. On November 02 2012 01:18 Keirathi wrote:On November 01 2012 06:55 Blazinghand wrote:gonzaw-- I'm willing to buy that you did in fact read my post, just not very carefully. On November 01 2012 01:22 Blazinghand wrote:
The game is fine and all, and if you want to banter and go back and forth, do it. But the terrible lobstrosity of a post that crossfire puked into the thread is the kind of thing that doesn't help. There are times to break the rules. In a way, chezinu knows this better than anyone here, but hes too busy being chezinu to lead town.
breaking the rules is not a scum move, any more than simply not posting for an hour is a scum move. tons of people have 1+ hour gaps in between their craptacularly bad alphabetical posts-- you should just make decent, good posts instead if you're not in the middle of a conversation. I don't know how this seems to be dogmatically in favor of using the 1-hour wait method at all times or the rhyming method at all times. You should read my posts more clearly and think a bit harder about the game. Part of the reason I'm on your ass is that you're not playing like you normally do. This focus from you, and the lack of serious pressure on multiple targets, that's not like you. The gonzaw I know, when he plays town, has fullisades of questions for everyone. Why just this one Keirathi case? Where's your usual constant interrogation and probing of everyone in the town? I remember your posts as being kinda annoying and having formatting issues, and maybe being unfocused, but also being unrelenting in their pressure on multiple targets. What gives? Forgive me for not commenting on this sooner sooner, but I just now had the available time to do the research. Go back and look at Aperture 2. He literally made a case/accusation against EVERY SINGLE PLAYER day 1. Its just such a huge disconnect from "everyone is scummy, lets question/accuse them!" to "well, this one guy is kinda scummy because he hasn't posted as much as I expect him to". Just my opinion, but this doesn't really fit the town gonzaw that I remember either. Again spreading some suspicion on gonzaw. Not saying hes scummy per sae but saying his meta doesn't fit aperature 2. And ALSO he doesn't mention that gonzaw was traitor in aperture 2, and he won with scum, so this meta doesn't even make sense. He doesn't follow up with in game evidence or even ask gonzaw to clarify anything. This brings me to my next point. Part II - Doesn't fit the metaEvery game I have played with Keirathi he has been very active and has been a major part in pushing discussion. Even if hes not scumhunting hes pushing discussion in strategic ways. This game has been the very opposite. He is a commentator, active, without pushing discussion to actually find scum. That is all I have to say on this, because meta should just be a supportable part not the main part of a case. Part III - Active LurkerKeirathi has been actually quite active in this game at many times, however he has only put down a few lines every time he has been here, and choses not to discuss the current parts of the thread. He timeline seems to sprinkle at many times in the thread, indicating he is chosing not to contribute in his normal town manner, or he doesn't overly care about finding scum. Just to separate himself from the major lurkers in this game. He also has been excessively lazy this game and making excuses. On October 31 2012 14:02 Keirathi wrote:On October 31 2012 13:55 Adam4167 wrote:
Perhaps click on his profile and check for yourself?
Quite simple really.
Red he has never been.
Sure, I could have checked myself, but you already did the research Totally easier to just ask you to share. On October 31 2012 13:33 Keirathi wrote:On October 31 2012 12:44 Crossfire99 wrote:Gosh, what have we here? On October 31 2012 12:22 Keirathi wrote:
'Sup, everyone. Time to get rid of those pesky musicians. How have you not posted on what has happened so far? I seem to remember the talkative little townie in Aperature that wasn't afraid to comment on anything. Keirathi was enjoying some Diablo 3 with a buddy. Looking back over the posts since I chimed it, it doesn't look like theres really a whole lot to comment on. Maybe its just me, but while this posting restriction is very entertaining, its quite hard to say exactly what you mean. He is apathetic. He knows better than this, there is never gunna be anyting to comment on unless you push the discussion, which keirathi has not beeen trying to do like his normal town self. Making an excuse to blame the mechanics for not posting. ##Unvote
##Vote: Keirathi[-] Other stuff: Alright so Im still not sure on crossfire, but I think there are more likely places to catch scum than him so im taking my vote off him. I can see what hes doing from both alignments, so I shouldn't make a solid choice on only that. His reaction didn't really lead me any further with more of an opinion on him. Probably 2nd scummiest player imo is BKE, I agree with SnB on his thoughts on him. Dingaling, is also an option but it would be strictly policy lynch at this point. I think he is more likely unactive than lurking. When is deadline? 10 hours? We need to somewhat start consolidating or discussing your straight up two best scum reads asaply. Bottom part is so scummy, because you basically say your vote for Keir isn't pushed by your case but by the lack of Xfire's scummness. Cause of this, it shows me that you have no confidence in this case about Keir, because you had to justify a vote change. Dingaling shouldn't even be included in this post as you already have two scum reads, why would you support a policy lynch when you have two scum? Eyeing one of Hopeless posts, I noticed I hadn't unvoted and voted is that what you guys are saying Im am being hypocritical on? BHow does it show that at all. CI was just verifying/ re-evaluating my read on crossfire because people were still mentioning it. Knuckling down here, this is not clarifying anything about your read. Look at what you say "I think there are more likely places to catch scum that him", you initially had a scum read on him, so your read has changed from scum to less likely scum. Moseying down after the bolded part, you say that he is doing neutral posting. No where do you clarify your stance, you just confuse the hell out of us. On my bolded part, it doesn't make sense to say you are unvoting Xfire explicitly because it implies that you think his neutrality is a bigger tell than your own Keir case.
Perhaps I'm missing something, but what the fuck are you talking about? (Qiviut is the long soft inner hair of the musk ox and I hate the letter Q). Really, are you arguing that his thinking that "keirathi is scummier than crossfire" is the same as his thinking "crossfire's neutrality is a bigger tell than his own Keirathi case?" Seriously, this makes no sense to me. To tell the truth, you continue to talk a whole lot about things that don't matter in the least but let you seem like you're participating - seriously guys look at how much of day 1 he spent talking about nothing but this whole "who votes in which thread when" thing and tell me why it matters in any way whatsoever - and your "scum read" here makes little to no sense on me. Unable to continue with your attacks on Hopeless because of BH's pressure, have you turned to OMGUSing? Very well, why not attack me then? Wow, your scumhunting is terrible or fake and people should be voting you.
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On November 02 2012 06:25 BroodKingEXE wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 06:05 Mementoss wrote:On November 02 2012 04:22 BroodKingEXE wrote:On November 02 2012 01:52 Mementoss wrote: Keirathi Okay so some preface, I think Keirathi has been slipping through this game without being mentioned too much. So I decided to look at his filter and noticed some scummy things. Lets go through it. Part I: Spreading AccusationsAll game, Keirethi has been spreading accusations very very subtly while never going deeper into them, he has yet to give a strong opinion that he thinks would be good for a lynch. Overall, hes looking active while not doing anything to push a scum lynch. His play seems to represent someone that doesn't care who gets lynched at all. Lets look at a couple examples of this: On November 01 2012 03:38 Keirathi wrote:
'Kay, so how is my question to Chezinu unimportant? Looks to me like he wanted all of our blues to claim. Maybe its just me, having never played with Chezinu, but that was a pretty anti-town plan.
Now, I did comment on the BKE thing. On its own, its not particularly scummy. Particularly, though, the fact that he hasn't done any kind of early pressure vote in any of his last 7 town games is a bit weird. Still, even then I only think its minorly scummy and would never be enough to make me vote him. His questions at chezinu seem to hint that he thinks what he is doing is scummy and pushing scum agenda, yet he just calls him ut on an anti town plan and never follows up. He says on its own its not scummy, than hints that his meta doesn't match so its a bit "weird". Never commits completely to his opinion on thinking hes scummy, but ends with scummy but not enough to vote him. Gives him an out if he flips red, that he didn't defend him he just couldnt make up his mind. On November 01 2012 14:00 Keirathi wrote:On October 31 2012 23:13 Mementoss wrote:
Nooooo chezinu ninjad me good thing I checked, I cant do the alphabet very well I have to say it completely out all the time lol. Oh, I agree with that fact that purposely fucking up is scummy because it gives you a free pass not to post, however, BKE seemed to be not understanding the rules at first, and the second time the posts were 3 min apart so its possible for ninja post. Poop, just to clarify this doesn't excuse his ridiuclous joke vote/call out on a "scum slip", it seemed like a desperate attempt to put fault on someone, but he fucked up with the rules. Qonsequently BKE, so far is the only player that stands out to me as somewhat scummy.
Reading chezinus last post, I still don't agree with the mass claim idea. Sit will still end up with everyone claiming audience memebers. Tangerine, chezinu, why do you feeld it was nessecary to give the player list :S ? On November 01 2012 06:08 Mementoss wrote:On October 31 2012 11:38 Blazinghand wrote:
Love to. My reason is that at this point in the thread he is the scummiest. "No way," you say, "he hasn't posted yet!" Often, that is reason enough. Proof of his scumminess is that he is a general liability.
Quack is the sound ducks make. Really though I'm gonna change my vote to Adam there's no way that post is town. Seriously if he was reforming posts he'd reform his post into that post instead of making a complaining post. Trying to get cred when he deserves none. Untie! Going to gym, fuck the rules. Only got 5 minutes but would like to comment on a few things.
The above is your case against Adam right? I don't consider it the strongest case, as you above seem pretty confident in it, but the fact that he hasn't been back to contribute is pretty un easing. leaning scummy on him right now. I half agree to what you say about crossfire too blazinghand. His posts were unreadable thats for sure. I had to re-read several paragraphs 3 times before I even understood what the point was, and then it didn't even deliverable the point well -_-. This is more likely xfire posting as town because he was being ridiculous, but I also think there is a possibility he started posting these long unreadable fluffy statements, so that maybe someone else would follow his ridiculous posting style and muck up the town completely. Thats scum intereference. Also, he actually looks to the non-reader, that he is contributing more than most, when really, hes more interested in literary skills and looking town, than actually finding scum. ATM I would be happy to vote either Xfire or BKE, (which I stated earlier why I thought his fake joke stuff seemed scummy, while his purposely?? getting restrictions wasn't liekly scummy), could go for Adam too, but I would rather wait for him to come into the thread again before doing that. Gunna lay down a vote Xfire atm. Need to re-read the thread and consider all the options, I have been either asleep or at work for this whole thread thus far. ##Vote Crossfire Xtremely weird change of opinion, there. You go from saying its scummy to blatantly not follow the alphabet rules, to doing it yourself without any indication why you suddenly don't care anymore. Zero sense does that make. Again says its weird, not scummy. Just says it makes zero sense. Keirathi has zero desire to get a lynch going today, and he is afraid to commit. Hes leaving himself many avenues open for later when he decides to vote. On November 02 2012 01:18 Keirathi wrote:On November 01 2012 06:55 Blazinghand wrote:gonzaw-- I'm willing to buy that you did in fact read my post, just not very carefully. On November 01 2012 01:22 Blazinghand wrote:
The game is fine and all, and if you want to banter and go back and forth, do it. But the terrible lobstrosity of a post that crossfire puked into the thread is the kind of thing that doesn't help. There are times to break the rules. In a way, chezinu knows this better than anyone here, but hes too busy being chezinu to lead town.
breaking the rules is not a scum move, any more than simply not posting for an hour is a scum move. tons of people have 1+ hour gaps in between their craptacularly bad alphabetical posts-- you should just make decent, good posts instead if you're not in the middle of a conversation. I don't know how this seems to be dogmatically in favor of using the 1-hour wait method at all times or the rhyming method at all times. You should read my posts more clearly and think a bit harder about the game. Part of the reason I'm on your ass is that you're not playing like you normally do. This focus from you, and the lack of serious pressure on multiple targets, that's not like you. The gonzaw I know, when he plays town, has fullisades of questions for everyone. Why just this one Keirathi case? Where's your usual constant interrogation and probing of everyone in the town? I remember your posts as being kinda annoying and having formatting issues, and maybe being unfocused, but also being unrelenting in their pressure on multiple targets. What gives? Forgive me for not commenting on this sooner sooner, but I just now had the available time to do the research. Go back and look at Aperture 2. He literally made a case/accusation against EVERY SINGLE PLAYER day 1. Its just such a huge disconnect from "everyone is scummy, lets question/accuse them!" to "well, this one guy is kinda scummy because he hasn't posted as much as I expect him to". Just my opinion, but this doesn't really fit the town gonzaw that I remember either. Again spreading some suspicion on gonzaw. Not saying hes scummy per sae but saying his meta doesn't fit aperature 2. And ALSO he doesn't mention that gonzaw was traitor in aperture 2, and he won with scum, so this meta doesn't even make sense. He doesn't follow up with in game evidence or even ask gonzaw to clarify anything. This brings me to my next point. Part II - Doesn't fit the metaEvery game I have played with Keirathi he has been very active and has been a major part in pushing discussion. Even if hes not scumhunting hes pushing discussion in strategic ways. This game has been the very opposite. He is a commentator, active, without pushing discussion to actually find scum. That is all I have to say on this, because meta should just be a supportable part not the main part of a case. Part III - Active LurkerKeirathi has been actually quite active in this game at many times, however he has only put down a few lines every time he has been here, and choses not to discuss the current parts of the thread. He timeline seems to sprinkle at many times in the thread, indicating he is chosing not to contribute in his normal town manner, or he doesn't overly care about finding scum. Just to separate himself from the major lurkers in this game. He also has been excessively lazy this game and making excuses. On October 31 2012 14:02 Keirathi wrote:On October 31 2012 13:55 Adam4167 wrote:
Perhaps click on his profile and check for yourself?
Quite simple really.
Red he has never been.
Sure, I could have checked myself, but you already did the research Totally easier to just ask you to share. On October 31 2012 13:33 Keirathi wrote:On October 31 2012 12:44 Crossfire99 wrote:Gosh, what have we here? On October 31 2012 12:22 Keirathi wrote:
'Sup, everyone. Time to get rid of those pesky musicians. How have you not posted on what has happened so far? I seem to remember the talkative little townie in Aperature that wasn't afraid to comment on anything. Keirathi was enjoying some Diablo 3 with a buddy. Looking back over the posts since I chimed it, it doesn't look like theres really a whole lot to comment on. Maybe its just me, but while this posting restriction is very entertaining, its quite hard to say exactly what you mean. He is apathetic. He knows better than this, there is never gunna be anyting to comment on unless you push the discussion, which keirathi has not beeen trying to do like his normal town self. Making an excuse to blame the mechanics for not posting. ##Unvote
##Vote: Keirathi[-] Other stuff: Alright so Im still not sure on crossfire, but I think there are more likely places to catch scum than him so im taking my vote off him. I can see what hes doing from both alignments, so I shouldn't make a solid choice on only that. His reaction didn't really lead me any further with more of an opinion on him. Probably 2nd scummiest player imo is BKE, I agree with SnB on his thoughts on him. Dingaling, is also an option but it would be strictly policy lynch at this point. I think he is more likely unactive than lurking. When is deadline? 10 hours? We need to somewhat start consolidating or discussing your straight up two best scum reads asaply. Bottom part is so scummy, because you basically say your vote for Keir isn't pushed by your case but by the lack of Xfire's scummness. Cause of this, it shows me that you have no confidence in this case about Keir, because you had to justify a vote change. Dingaling shouldn't even be included in this post as you already have two scum reads, why would you support a policy lynch when you have two scum? Eyeing one of Hopeless posts, I noticed I hadn't unvoted and voted is that what you guys are saying Im am being hypocritical on? BHow does it show that at all. CI was just verifying/ re-evaluating my read on crossfire because people were still mentioning it. Knuckling down here, this is not clarifying anything about your read. Look at what you say "I think there are more likely places to catch scum that him", you initially had a scum read on him, so your read has changed from scum to less likely scum. Moseying down after the bolded part, you say that he is doing neutral posting. No where do you clarify your stance, you just confuse the hell out of us. On my bolded part, it doesn't make sense to say you are unvoting Xfire explicitly because it implies that you think his neutrality is a bigger tell than your own Keir case.
X BK, I dont understand what your saying, I already explained to you what I was saying, YOU are confusing the hell out of me, you are saying townies should just tunnel people all game :S, you tunnel hopeless for no reason all day, then only vote off him because BH told you and too, and to save your own ass - since i know my alignment, and i know im town - im going to switch my vote to you - i agree with snbs analysis on you - and all your play this game i cant see from a town point of view at all - this last push against me makes no sense at all and seems a bit desperate, is this another joke vote
##unvote
##vote: broodkingexe
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Zero time I have, so I have to make this quick. All I got right now is that mementoss is still scummy. Bad case on keirathi plus the fact that he ignored my case on him and just gave a little throwaway line about how that post doesn't help determine my alignment. Can't really say what's going on with Brood right now because it seems like he is having a lot of brain farts this game, which makes reading him very confusing. Does that mean he is scum or town? Eh, I'm not sure right now. For realz, though, mementoss is scum and you should be voting for him, too.
##Vote: Mementoss
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X/ going after you makes no sense cause I have a townread on you, MMT's Keir case isnt even enough for him to vote for Keir. You see MMT needed to convince himself that Xfire wasn't scum to believe his own case, which means that his Keir case is shitty in his own opinion. Zoinks! Another thing is he is supporting a policy lynch when he has a case up, policy lynches D1 are only for townies that have no outright scum reads. But he supposedly has two: Keir and me, yet he still feels the need to push a policy lynch which he could use later if something unaccounted for comes up before the lynch. Coming to a conclusion, Xfire's neutrality over Keir's scumminess means that he doesn't even believe in his own case.
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On November 02 2012 07:18 BroodKingEXE wrote:
X/ going after you makes no sense cause I have a townread on you, MMT's Keir case isnt even enough for him to vote for Keir. You see MMT needed to convince himself that Xfire wasn't scum to believe his own case, which means that his Keir case is shitty in his own opinion. Zoinks! Another thing is he is supporting a policy lynch when he has a case up, policy lynches D1 are only for townies that have no outright scum reads. But he supposedly has two: Keir and me, yet he still feels the need to push a policy lynch which he could use later if something unaccounted for comes up before the lynch. Coming to a conclusion, Xfire's neutrality over Keir's scumminess means that he doesn't even believe in his own case.
D/ changing your mind, clear scum tell -_-
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On November 02 2012 07:15 Crossfire99 wrote:
Zero time I have, so I have to make this quick. All I got right now is that mementoss is still scummy. Bad case on keirathi plus the fact that he ignored my case on him and just gave a little throwaway line about how that post doesn't help determine my alignment. Can't really say what's going on with Brood right now because it seems like he is having a lot of brain farts this game, which makes reading him very confusing. Does that mean he is scum or town? Eh, I'm not sure right now. For realz, though, mementoss is scum and you should be voting for him, too.
##Vote: Mementoss
explain how my case is bad, the case one me is non existant, one afk voted me, and adam had 3 lines on me, cool BK is just saying stuff that I don't even understand how that could make someone scum, so confused
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For tomorrow's minigame, I suggest "Race to lynch Crossfire!". Game involves voting ASAP and then afk'ing until the lynch. Have a great time guys, and remember, the points don't matter.
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Okay, its getting close to the deadline and we need to make a decision on who needs to be lynched today.
Current (unofficial) vote count:
Mementoss (3) - Chezinu, Adam, BKE
BKE (2) - Hopeless, S&B
Keirathi (2) - gonzaw, Mementoss
Adam4167 (1) - Blazinghand
Not Voting: Keirathi, Djsingalong, Crossfire
I'll talk a bit about each of the candidates:
BKE
The more BKE posts about his joke vote and TL being down (which, even if the timing doesn't line up with twitter, doesn't really mean anything. I was getting 502's yesterday for 5 hours straight, and when I finally got TL to load again, there were posts that I had missed), and voting pet peeves, or whatever, the more suspicious of him I get. Because that's literally all that he has been talking about. His case and vote on Mementoss was pretty boggling and doesn't really make any sense. Why would he not unvote someone when he has a stronger scum read on someone else? Feels like BKE is just grasping at straws for a reason to move his vote onto someone that has more momentum (and actually put them in the lead to be lynched).
Right now, I'm leaning pretty heavily towards a BKE lynch.
Mementoss
I'm still a little hung up on Mementoss changing his opinion on whether its scummy to break character or not. I feel like it was a bit of "say/do whatever the thread thinks is good!" to buy himself some...well, not really town cred, but just doing whatever other townies are doing so that he doesn't stick out. However, two of the three votes on him are extremely weak (Adam's does at least have some reasonable explanations, even if there are some bad justifications thrown in too (the Djsingalong stuff)), and I'm pretty hesitant to pile on top of them. Chez's vote with no explanation whatsoever, and BKE with a terrible explanation. I'll keep watching Mementoss, but I don't think he should be lynched today.
Adam
I'm not conviced my Blazinghand's cherry picked meta case, but his point about only taking a single stance via the mementoss case was valid. I don't think Adam is our best choice of lynch today though. If he continues to stay disinterested and passive, then we can talk again.
Basically, the only person I would be willing to vote for aside from BKE at this point is gonzaw. BH pointed it out, but gonzaw tunneling one player all day without questioning/attacking/etc other people just isn't gonzaw's town meta. Reminds me a bit of Liar Game, honestly, where he spent so much time working on/sticking to the "plan", while tunneling Cephiro.
Take a look at his filters here for Liar Game and here for Aperture 2. Notice how much more time he spends in Aperture 2 being suspicious of EVERYONE until he gets a firm town read on them. That doesn't feel like what he's doing here.
@Chezinu/Djsingalong:
Where are you guys? Seriously this is pretty ridiculous.
Okay, I have an hour timeout now. Hopefully there will be some good discussion and consolidation before I get back.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
I see we are generally unconvinced by my Adam case. Just fine, we will be able to lynch him tomorrow, so I'm willing to lynch BKEXE or Gonzaw if everyone's sticking to the "we want to give Adam a second chance for no apparent reason, even though it doesn't make sense and he's playing to his scum meta" stance. Keirathi's addition to the Gonzaw case is highly convincing. Left with this choice, I hereby ##vote: Gonzaw, but will gladly vote BKEXE if Gonzaw is not a realistic lynch today.
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Mmmm lets see, can someone at least explain the case against me? No? Oh, look at the people voting me, can you honeslty say you have better than a null read on any of them chez adam bke and xfire? Pft, guess the last minute counter wagon is working since im set to die.
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On November 02 2012 00:32 strongandbig wrote:
Something else you argue - he did originally take a position against BKE and later backtrack on it. Though I've said above that I don't understand why he backtracked, and though I really want to hear his reasoning, and though I think it's scummy to backtrack from one position and jump on another one without explaining yourself, I do think that at least taking a position is better than not taking a position, even if there is scummy backtracking.
Let me give my feelings on BKE: I feel that BKE would have dropped this much earlier in the day had he been scum - his belligerence and self-belief are that of a townie - he seems to genuinely believe what he is saying - even if i don't agree with what hes saying - it looks genuine to me.
Mementoss is still my clear choice for today's lynch - his vote on crossfire struck me as scummy because it does not follow the townie train of thought - when a townie sees scummy activity they think to themselves "this is scum motivated, and that's why i'm going to pressure/vote this person" (look at BH for an example for how this works, even if it is misguided) - Mementoss stated that he could see Crossfires actions from both a townie and scum perspective, then proceeds to vote him anyway.
Now, If you would like my thoughts on anyone, feel free to ask and I will provide them, I will also take a look at Mementoss Keirathi case momentarily.
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Obviously I am assuming that last "sentence" started with "Now" and was not two separate sentences with bad punctuation. People, all of the audience members already roleclaimed. Quickly, everyone must vote for the makers of tuned sounds, Recognized that I was busy earlier to provided my unsounded reasoning. Scummy players have sound reasoning that makes people's ear become distracted.
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Time to test the game.
Mementoss
Djagulingu
Crossfire99
Hopeless1der
Adam4167
BroodKingEXE
gonzaw
Keirathi
Blazinghand
strongandbig
Chezinu
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
Totally hilarious that Chez' defense for his inactivity is that since he doesn't have a defense, he must be town. Under normal circumstances scum would give a good excuse, so his lack of an excuse... exonerates him?
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