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Sorry for the confusion. Needed to sort out my schedule for the next few weeks first. | ||
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If you are a miller you should claim. But I will be wary of such a claim as there have been times in the past in which an uncontested miller claim day one has sealed the win for scum. So we should exercise our judgement on such claims rather than put blind faith on their townieness. From my first read through Release is looking suspicious. Firstly he is tunnelling townie kush, although he may be unaware of kush's meta he has a scum read over something which is at worst a null tell. Secondly his posting feels off somehow this post in particular is scummy as shit. On November 01 2012 11:20 Release wrote: Do not use this post later to claim that i am shifting attention off myself. I acknowledge that I am under suspicion. So in the flurry of comment regarding the claiming, we seem to have dismissed the possibility of enacting a Lynch-all-liars policy. The main con i see if we do enact it is that we can't pull use fishing for reactions as freely. The main pro, however, is that people can't claim to be fishing for reactions. Another consequence is that more information is in the thread. Both town and mafia know more about true intentions and can react accordingly. Personally, i am against such a policy because people can very easily say "i changed my mind" and blame/vindication will tend to be imposed base on a town/scum flip. So after acknowledging that this post is a distraction from the suspicions on himself he attempts to create a tangent discussion on policy. And he proposes a lynch all liars policy that he talks about for a good deal and then decides he is against? It was fluffy and served to distract the thread from pursuing him. Claiming that you are not doing that does not cause it to be untrue, rather it speaks as if he was guilty of doing EXACTLY THAT. | ||
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On November 01 2012 12:24 thrawn2112 wrote: darthpunk: I don't see how you can have a town read on kush at this early stage, especially based on meta alone. If you want me to buy that you're gonna have to give a more in-depth explanation as to how whatever he's done in these first few pages fits whatever notion you have of his town meta I have played and obs'd 7 games with kush I have also read a fair bit of analysis on his meta. Briefly there are subtle differences in kush's attitude particularly as scum that make it easy to read him. The post that gave me a town read was this post in which he was called scummy for the first time. On November 01 2012 09:05 kushm4sta wrote: I'm not being deceitful about it, I just got their names mixed up. I think they should probably both claim actually. @release Are you suggesting that I'm trying to trick power roles like vig, dt, etc into mass claiming? Are millers' true alignment revealed upon death? That is not the response I would expect from a scum kush. Quite the opposite. Kush's meta is quite easy to interpret. Although he may have drastically altered it which is why I allowed room for that caveat in my post. Do you not have a town read on kush? I thought you, if anyone, would share my view. In fact, it is strange that you do not. | ||
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On November 01 2012 12:42 Muso wrote: Oh I just read that you guys want Masons to claim. Sorry, I took so long to post - I'm not used to reading this many posts. Yeah I am a Mason. I don't even... | ||
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On November 01 2012 12:44 Muso wrote: I'm still at the start of page 6 sorry. Just read that you wanted claims so I thought I'd give you my info in while I read the rest so we can get going. Kush got mason's and millers confused. It was probably a bad idea to claim. Unless you are scum and are claiming with no proof. Do you have a breadcrumb? | ||
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On November 01 2012 12:51 thrawn2112 wrote: Like I said, it's wayyyyy to early to give a town read.... especially based on meta alone. Wrong. I had a scum read on kush based on meta far earlier and it was correct. Hapa gives early town reads. OFC I can change my mind. But if anyone is town this game it is kush from what I have read and so he is my strongest town read. | ||
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On November 01 2012 12:54 DarthPunk wrote: Kush got mason's and millers confused. It was probably a bad idea to claim. Unless you are scum and are claiming with no proof. Do you have a breadcrumb? Never mind. That was your first post. 0_o | ||
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On November 01 2012 12:58 Mattchew wrote: lol what in the hell... and i thought i had weird/bad claims You do. | ||
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On November 01 2012 13:04 thrawn2112 wrote: see what? lol.. i guess all we can really do is wait for his hypothetical mason partner to help him decide whether he wasnts to claim or not should we ask him to claim his 2nd partner? I honestly just don't know lol, quite baffled by the claim tbh... but my instincts are saying that he's telling the truth. seems like it'd be a really fucking bad move for scum to make To see WTF is going on hopefully. I am unsure if his second partner should claim if he even exists. I doubt he could verify his claim without his second partner however. And even if he did claim without breadcrumbs it could just be a mass fake claim. This is pretty bad IMO. | ||
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On November 01 2012 13:07 Release wrote: Sounds like bait from Muso. Wants me to push the agenda with which i have already parted. Muso... WTF are you talking about. You realise that if he was scum trying to mislynch you with a fake mason claim that would be almost as retarded as claiming unaware nosy neighbour right? | ||
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On November 01 2012 13:14 Release wrote: well honestly i have no idea at all what he is trying to do. Just threw out the only thing pertinent to such a claim right now. The only pertinent thing is how you are being set up by his retarded mason claim?!?!? Such inherent guilt. My god. | ||
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On November 01 2012 13:25 Muso wrote: Oh sorry guys I didn't know there was a difference between Mason and Miller. I know I said I'd played hundreds of mafia games before but I actually lied just to get in to the game. This is my first one, but I watched a few youtube videos so I thin I get it. Sorry if I'm bad :S We have newbie games you know. | ||
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On November 01 2012 13:28 Release wrote: I did not acknowledge that this post was a distraction. I merely stated that it was not relevant to my being hammered for seemingly scummy actions. However, according to your logic, this (and tacitly implied, everything else not relevant to my being hammered) is a distraction, and therefore the only things that won't be distractions are things that ONLY tunnel me. Is that your train of thought? or are you putting words in my mouth? No not everything that is not tunnelling you is a distraction stop being fallacious. Here On November 01 2012 11:20 Release wrote: Do not use this post later to claim that i am shifting attention off myself. I acknowledge that I am under suspicion. Here you ask us to not use that post to claim you are shifting attention from yourself (read: Distraction) You only ask this because it is blatantly obvious that that is what you are attempting to achieve. Hey. I am looking scummy and need to back away from my 'scum read' at a million miles an hour. Let's talk about policy. Not only that. Let's talk about policy no one has mentioned, be extremely fluffy whilst doing so, and then come to the conclusion that I disagree with the policy I brought up. The only rational reason for that post was to distract the thread from yourself. Don't be retarded and say that any post which is not tunnelling you is a distraction. Now who is the one putting words into others mouths? | ||
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On November 02 2012 07:50 kushm4sta wrote: I'm pretty sure DP is the only one left who hasn't commented on muso's claim. So it's either DP is muso's mason partner or muso is the worst scum ever. Maybe he fake claimed because he was confused about what mason did? (I actually don't know what either a mason or a miller are IRL. There should be more obvious, more differentiated role names IMO) So I will consider anyone talking about muso, or encryption, or the real scum claim, or anything other than looking for scum in the remaining 12 people, unhelpful and therefore suspicious. While it would be nice to be masoned with a fellow australian. Unfortunately I am not masoned with Muso, or a mason at all. Muso's partner should claim if he exists. If not then I am going to vote for muso for fake claiming mason. It's 10am ADST so musso should be here any moment. If he is not he is probably avoiding the thread. Anyway. I am hosting a party today, and have much to do so I may not have as much time as I would like to post. I will make it up later though. | ||
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On November 02 2012 09:37 Muso wrote: Okay. I take full responsibility for this situation. Admittedly, I didn't make any attempt to assess the experience levels of anybody here before I started this game, so this is undoubtedly my fault. However, I banked on Acro and his teammate figuring this out instead of coming out and counter-claiming me. Pretty much everybody in the game determined the following: 1. this is a suicide play as scum 2. it is extremely unlikely there were 2 mason teams, Unfortunately, the masons didn't make the next leap in the puzzle, and think outside the box to figure out WHY? Fair enough, I'm not blaming you. I am Kid Watching TV, aka a vanilla. The point of the gambit should be obvious now. The problem with all this after the fact explanation is that how do we know you weren't going to stick with the mason claim if their were no other masons? I am not sure this is in fact a suicidal scum play. If there is no counter claim then you are sitting pretty as confirmed town. Unfortunately for you there was a counter claim, and now you are saying it was a gambit to fake claim mason all along and that it should be obvious what the gambit is, but you haven't actually explained it have you? | ||
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On November 02 2012 11:31 Release wrote: He asked me. You want to start a fight with me as well? Calm down and stop OMGUSING everyone that questions you | ||
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On November 02 2012 11:38 Release wrote: ##unvote ##vote: drazak I have my reasons. We still have a majority on Muso. If you have reasons then share them. I am not adverse to a drazak lynch, But you'll have to do better than that to convince anyone and not have your vote be useless. | ||
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I am super hungover and TL went down Whilst I caught up. But I have a few reads. Despite prplz looking scummy to many, It is my policy to judge replacement on their actions and not those of their predecessor. And prome has been very pro town IMO. Obviously I am worried as I heard that in his newbie scum game he looked very pro town also. I am concerned at acro tunnelling prom despite prom looking very townie to me. And the fact that it is based on a few bad posts from prplz irks me. My biggest scum reads from my cursory glance of the thread are Drazak and release. I plan to go into filters and take a look around presently. If anyone has any questions for me or would like my perspective on anything feel free to ask. I currently don't have the grasp on this game that I would usually like so some discussion would be rewarding I feel. OK that's it. Im going do more reading in between LOL games. | ||
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Keeping my promise, I looked through several filters. Promethelax continues to be a strong town read. I know that others disagree with my philosophy on replacements and giving them somewhat of a clean slate. However I feel that if prom keeps posting with the quantity and quality that he has been he should become very easy to read as the game develops even for his doubters. I definitely do not want Prom to die. Townie townie town town IMO. I have a scum read on drazak. He has posted mainly one liners commenting on the by play of proceedings rather than bring any original thought or information to the thread. He has also been consistently wishy-washy in his posting. On November 02 2012 23:36 drazak wrote: Yeah, I'm getting a bit fed up with Kush asking for everyone to claim everything, that smells a little scummy to me. Kind of not sure if it's just kush being stupid and trolling like usual (yes, I know, I'm omgusing, don't care) or if he's actually got a larger scheme here. Kush has admited to me a bunch of times that he doesn't thinks before he posts, so I dunno, but he keeps being stupid I think we can chalk it up to stupidity/trolling, if he stops, it was probably a scheme. I'm not sure what to think about prom, the case against him is ok, but maybe prplhz was distracted and/or confused. Like I was going to go through this post and bold the wishy-washy bits but then I may as well have bolded the entire post. Just read that and find one solid statement. Because I sure as hell can't. But note the part I have bolded and then read drazak's subsequent series of posts which stuck out to me quite starkly. He goes from wishy washy on kush. Saying he could be scummy. Then he posts his role name somewhat aggressively. On November 03 2012 05:53 drazak wrote: Kush, do you even read my posts? Also, trying to write a long post in another window, hold on a bit. I'm a VT, Carrot, btw. After which kush thinks he is town based on his theory with the flavor immediatly after kush unvotes him and declares him to be town. Drazak posts his 'reads' On November 03 2012 06:07 drazak wrote: Release actually tried to scumhunt, I'm seeing town on him, even though he still wants to vote for me. I don't think he's done anything to cause confusion, and I think he really wants to find a mafia right now, which is what I'm trying to do. Mattchew is also looking town, although I'd like him to be a bit more active, I don't think he'd say that he likes his gut instincts D1 if he didn't believe in them and have somewhat decent evidence, less town than release but definitely a town read. Hope has about the right amount of defensiveness for a townie, he's gone to lurk mode around lynch time which makes me a little nervous, everyone else seems to be here and willing to talk except him. Not sure what he's up to but when he starts posting again I hope he has a good explaination, I'm neutral on him right now. Thrawn has been trying his damnedest to scumhunt for a D1 hunt, not sure what he thinks he might actually accomplish, but he's asking questions like I should be (but I don't because I suck ) and trying to make things happen. I find him distinctly town at the moment. risk.nuke has not a lot to go on in his filter, and every single one of his comments is 1 line and most of them are fluffy. I think this is even worse than my posts have been. I find him 2nd scummiest after muso. Kush is just doing his fucking trolly ass shit. Town meta for him 100% Zealos doesn't vote anyone and isn't happy with Acro or Muso, not sure what to think here, he wants to vote two of my town reads, not sure I like this, but might just not be following that closely. First of all I hate lists such as these. They allow scum to seem to participate without actually doing anything. A few sentences on several players comprise drazak's 'reads' HOWEVER. Note the read on kush. He has gone from scummy and wishy-washy to 100% town meta. IMMEDIATELY after kush declares a town read on drazak. It seems as if Drazaks opinion of someones scumminess is linked to their opinion on draz. Now THAT is scummy to me. Combined with all the wishy-washy posting and fluff one liners. I would certainly like to lynch drazak. I looked into release also. He was really active when he was defending himself and there was a lot of setup speculation/ fake claims etc. and since the muso mislynch he has gone quiet. He could very well be scum for the reasons several people have already mentioned day 1. But I am unsure really. I would like to wait and see on release. Finally. We need to stop with the setup speculation/ flavor theory/ fake claiming etc. In my mind it has made the thread tiresome to keep up with and I think has been a detriment rather than a service. WBG has stated that we cannot break the game through these means so it is astonishing that many seem determined to try. Don't try and play the setup. Scum hunt. Look at the motivation and content of peoples posts and judge them on merit. That is why all you people after prom need to take a step back and actually look at how blatantly townie Prom is. He is scum hunting in a very positive way and could potentially be a great asset to town. If he is scum he will slip up. It is incredibly difficult to take on the kind of play prom has had as scum. If he is town and you lynch him for anothers posts. I think you are lynching towns greatest asset. Now that the craziness of the weekend is behind me I hope to be far more involved and have a greater grasp on the thread than I currently do. | ||
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On November 04 2012 01:35 thrawn2112 wrote: First, my suspicions of kush are much stronger then they were in D1. Scumslip? He says acro is town and then turns around and votes for him and the only reasoning kush seemed to be using was his flavor theory. Of course like I said earlier... sorta hard to tell if scum kush or town kush would be more likely to that... but it sticks out because it was that ONLY reasoning kush had for wanting Acro lynched. Then there was all the possible blue hunting attempts. Course, it’s not explicit blue hunting, but it’s asking for a vt claim when having one really won’t be that useful, and if someone decided to answer they’d be giving scum more information than necessary. One more thing about kush this game is what I think to be a big change in his tone. Previous town kush meta is fairly emotional with occasional joking throughout all of his posts, and I haven’t been seeing that this game. Yeah. I am concerned that kush may have finally altered his meta. But I think we can both agree that he has not played to his scum meta so far this game. Even then, Kush is kush and he is always gonna 'scumslip' and does so as both alignments. As you well know. I wouldn't want him at LYLO however. | ||
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On November 04 2012 02:49 kushm4sta wrote: Prome already said his name does not fit my flavor theory. Prome please claim, since you already admitted to being a vt. If that is a character name I will stfu about flavor theory forever. Also why did you reveal it now and not during d1? ~~ What is the difference between risk town and risk scum? Does anyone know? Same question for mattchew. ~~ 3 people want to lynch me now! Zealos, acro, thrawn. Anyone else? Are there any questions you want me to answer? The cases are quite spread out so it's a little hard to respond to everything. Summary of the case against me: 1 over reliance on flavor theory I have been pretty obsessed with it sorry. 2 blue hunting I just wanted more evidence for my theory. I only ever advocated 1 vt claiming their name. Also I thought mason should claim in the beginning but changed my mind about it. (The reason I actually made the case for mason claiming is I read in Sandroba's filter from a game a long something he said about there being no downside to millers claiming. But I thought he were talking about the role that is actually masons. Then I see someone this game talking about millers claiming and that authoritative opinion is only enforced, so I assume millers claiming is a smart play.) ^ a lot of text about something pretty insignificant. 3 thrawn saying im off my meta Every game I try to improve and play better. I am being less emotional I think it's better play. (and also I've been hurt so many times in the past) 4 my "scumslip" I said "Why is town fake claiming?" 2 people fakeclaimed mason. I doubt both of them are mafia. So I can say with almost a certainty that town is fakeclaiming because at least one of them is town. Wait. You actually thought one of them was town? I thought that question was rhetoric and that it was the justification for your vote? Did you think Muso was town when you voted for him? | ||
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You knew he was town? and still voted for him? If so why? | ||
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On November 04 2012 03:00 kushm4sta wrote: I did not know he was town. I thought it was town. I voted him because I thought there was a better chance for him to flip red than drazak. Him and drazak were the only options. There was also prome, MAYBE but I didn't like the case on prpl. Well That seems reasonable. You should probably clarify that before you declare things like you vote for people you think are town. | ||
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On November 04 2012 08:01 Release wrote: I'm not good at setup based play (hence why i didn't comment directly on mason/miller claiming) so i ask: is this a time for the vig to speak up and show his breadcrumb? yes. | ||
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On November 04 2012 20:49 Promethelax wrote: oh hi, I was wrong. Hey man! Care to theorize on why Matt and Zealos were killed and why Acro and I were RB'd? Well. I don't really know. Matt was fairly inactive. As was Zealos. I think either could have been a vig shot. Maybe not matt. But definitely Zealos. I actually thought release was the vig for a second after that question about claiming and he was asking about zealos being being modkilled. But then he asked if he was modkilled again. Anyway. Zealos was a pretty good vig candidate. So maybe he was vigged or maybe a SK wants to look like he was vigged. Matt could have been a vig target plausibly also. I am guessing blue snipe is the reason behind the mafia kill/s obviously they were successful. But I don't see what could have given it away. I have no Idea about the roleblocks. But there is definitely some town motive for role blocking at least one of you. | ||
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On November 04 2012 21:01 risk.nuke wrote: Acro I think it's safe to assume you were jailed. Why is that? | ||
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On November 04 2012 21:07 Promethelax wrote: I was thinking about this. Zealos was pretty sure about me being scum and Acro being town. He may have tried to Save Acro or RB me. I'm not sure if Matt would use his 1-shot n1 so there is probably at least another Role Blocker still in the game ( I assume scum has one). I was wondering, neither Matt nor Zealos felt all that blue to me and I assume Mafia felt the same way. Which of their reads are most convincing to you? I don't think either of them had particularly strong reads. Matt had a list of names and some generic comments on several people. Meh. I can see matt being killed for being townie I suppose. I didn't really view him as all that townie from what I read. So I suppose that's why I didn't get that. | ||
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On November 04 2012 21:10 Acrofales wrote: You should probably bother to read the thread if you think that that is the reason I am voting for Prom. Oh that's right. You are still tunnelling the same read you had during the first part of day one. That is even more scummy than rampant setup speculation at all costs. | ||
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On November 04 2012 21:22 kushm4sta wrote: you are Marvin acme vt? you didn't say role there. because that looks like a scum name. you aren't hearing my non flavor ideas because I don't have any. Kush. STFU about it. | ||
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On November 04 2012 21:42 risk.nuke wrote: Lets take a step back at day 1 before idiocy occurred. Prplhz Prplhz was almost set to be lynched and rightfully so. The pressure gets to much for him and he replaces out. Also a scumtrait any day of the weak. Promethelax Promethelax haven't done nearly as much as he is trying to take credit for. And while he claims to have pushed candidates. He's not pushed anyone with a chance of actually dying which to me is the same as nothing. The post I dislike the most. Situation: Muso is going to die, not lynching him would be amazing idiocy. In this post Prom tries to make himself look townie by being opposed to a townie-lynch (that will happen anyway). However that doesn't make any sense because the townie thing to do is to kill muso, So what prom is doing is superdumb or Scum trying to gain towncred by being opposed to a townie lynch that will happen anyway. Additionally he claims Mattchew is scum with the worst claimed read of the century. There is no way on heaven or earth I can believe that is his legit read. I don't buy his roleblock claim. I don't think scum would have roleblocked him and I don't Mattchew would use his 1-shot roleblock. I'm pretty sure we can't have another roleblocker because if I remember correctly another roleblock point would upgrade the 1-shot roleblocker to regular roleblocker. It's a very convenient claim that doesn't make sense. Alas I think he's lying his pants of. ##vote: Promethelax So he had a read you disagreed with? And then you think he is fake claiming role blocked? What scum in their right mind would fake claim roleblocked. What would be the fucking point? I can tell you right now that I did not find matt townie. And I don't see how having scum read on him as a valid reason to vote someone. He is clearly wanting to be active and is actively trying to figure stuff out. He stills seems pretty townie to me. Quit tunnelling a player who quit and please base your read of prom on the basis of his contributions. | ||
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On November 04 2012 22:01 mkfuba07 wrote: Hi all. I'm terrible at hopping back into the thread. Is there anything in particular that you'd like me to comment on? If not I'll probably end up solo-analyzing filters and talking myself in circles, which doesn't help anyone XD Yeah. What do you think of draz. I posted a case on him before the night post. | ||
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On November 04 2012 22:00 Acrofales wrote: Glad to see you're here. How about some reads of your own in stead of pages of useless filler posts? I posted a case before the night post. How about you comment on it? And like you tunnelling one player the entire game counts as scum hunting. | ||
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On November 04 2012 22:03 Promethelax wrote: DP, you had release as scummy during d1, but you haven't mentioned him in a while. What do you see in him now? Also as much as Kussh needs to stop posting about flavour you need to stop posting about Kush posting about flavour. The whole second page of your filter is you telling him off. Give me some analysis and lay off the telling Kush what to do. That is a losing battle. pre-post edit: fuba, you'd do best looking at me and acro. We're probably the biggest conflict right now and I want everyone to have clearly stated reads on us both with some reasons so that no one can coast. Thank you. I said I wasn't sure before the day post. And would like to wait and see. He hasn't posted anything really since then for my waiting and seeing to have yielded fruit. I mentioned kush also. But I'll get to him after this game. | ||
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On November 04 2012 22:05 Promethelax wrote: ebwop: follow up. DP, why are you buddying me this hard? You are the only one with a stated town read of me. We have played together before, you know me, but so do a lot of these other guys and some of the people coming after me must be town (I can't imagine a full mafia team going after me as a group, I'm just not worth it). How is it that you have such a town read on me when literally no one else in this game does (or has stated it). I am not buddying you. I know your town meta. And this game you are coming off strongly town to me. I am frankly astounded others can't/choose not to see it. I don;t give a fuck what you think of me to be honest. I don't want to mislynch. I think we will mislynch an active townie if we lynch you so i want to stop that. | ||
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On November 04 2012 22:20 risk.nuke wrote: You can't compare Muso with a week of confirmed mafia to lynch. But thanks for the comparison. Now you've admitted knowing killing Muso was the right thing to do. @DP: Bending my words is not wise with me, last warning you'll get. He didn't have a read I disagreed with. He had a godawful read that didn't make sense. I don't care if you were to dumb to see why Mattchew had acted distinctly townie. He wasn't your best scumread and you weren't calling him scum for incredibly poor reasons. If we had a dt check on prplhz you wouldn't just say. Oh well, new guy lets disregard it. I am not bending your words. Get off your damn high horse. His 'god awful read that didn't make sense' is something you disagreed with. Reads are subjective. They are not objective. If they were they would be called mod confirmed alignments. Having a read that you cannot fathom is not necessarily alignment indicative. And just because you feel (correctly or incorrectly) that your read on matt was so much more valid than others does not mean those with a conflicting view are scum. If you think Prom is scum. There will be other things. And if there are I will view them on their merits. But a weird roleblock claim and a scum read on matt does not convince me. | ||
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On November 04 2012 22:10 drazak wrote: I don't like DP, he has a bunch of fluffy ass shit in his filter, I want to hear more from hope, he's been really lurky. probably my top two scum reads right now. So you are calling me out for the same thing I called you out for. How original. | ||
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On November 05 2012 14:45 thrawn2112 wrote: kush, do you believe my claim? I'm not liking the release lynch too much because of how town atmosphere has been so far D2. For one, release hasn't let up on contributing, when someone asks him for an explanation he isn't reluctant to give it and they match up well with his earlier posts. I also got a town read from his crazy conspiracy scumteam association cases. Finally, there's been a very low amount of conversation so far and I'd expect there to be more going on if we were actually on the trail to catching a scum. My weekend "activities" are almost concluded so soon I'll be posting in increasing frequency up until lynch. Thoughts on who I want to lynch will come along with that. What is the purpose in asking this? It seems weird to me. | ||
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Since that point in time he has contributed very little aside from OMGUS in retaliation at me. I am glad that you are coming around on prome though acro. It would be bad to lynch him when he is being so much more active than anyone else. | ||
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Why does he care if the person he checked believes him? If I was fake claiming I would be nervous I outed myself and would be dying to know if the 'check' claim was good. The person who can immediately damn him is kush. So weird. Also kush happened to be the one person you could rely on as scum to be VT. Seeing as he basically was claiming VT in the thread with his flavour theory. Anyway. Struck me as odd to ask that. So I wanted to hear thrawns reasoning. | ||
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On November 05 2012 22:15 drazak wrote: Hey nuke, I kind of like your opinion on Prom, but I'm not sold on him being scum yet, do you have anything else to add to his case? I think he might be town still, do you have more to add to his case? Please convince me. I think Hope right now is my #1 read because he still hasn't posted jack shit, he comes back and is like "lol, I haven't posted and I should feel bad" and then doesn't post more, I'm gonna park a vote on him until I hear more from him, I want to know what his top reads are and wtf he thinks he's doing. |##vote hopeless1der LoL didn't you think I was scum? | ||
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On November 06 2012 04:50 kushm4sta wrote: Why the fuck are you talking about sk, thrawn etc. Prome why are you conjecturing about the viability of killing an sk? find scummiest person. kill them. Anyone else want to kill dp? I don't understand people reading his filter and getting town reads. He is logical about shit, but always concerning perifery issues. He is not using his posts to find scum or push lynches. He has been invisible. He has been indecisive. He has sheeped. lynch dp I have not been Invisible. I am astounded I am being called a lurker by risk even though I have a larger filter than him. The fact of the matter is I am asleep Whilst you guys are around generally. Even now I had to get up early and set an alarm to be here before lynch. And the amount of content produced whilst I am away leaves me very little to work with when I am the only one in the thread. I have been staying up till past 1 am most nights to catxh people on US time. So I resent being called invisible whilst actually putting in effort to be around. I have not been indesicive. Quiet the opposite. I have very firm opinions about things. I want to lynch draz. I don't want to lynch prome. I wanted to lynch release and now I don't. Hardly indesicive. IN fact a quick read of my filter would put that 'claim' to rest. And I have not fucking sheeped. I made a case on draz which I feel is good. Hardly sheeping. I went against the prevailing sentiment of the thread and defended my strong town read. Not sheeping at all. It is almost if you just pulled a list of generic scummy terms out of your arse even though they did not apply to me. Also. I woke up early after going to bed late to be here for this deadline. So I resent people saying I have put little effort in. Anyway. I am here. My case on draz has largely been ignored. I am willing to consolidate and not willing to no lynch. I don;t want to lynch prome but could lynch anyone else. | ||
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On November 06 2012 04:15 kushm4sta wrote: kill dp. last game dp played someone told him: your scum meta is you pursue bad cases. So he isn't doing that this game. Instead he is laying low, sheeping, not trying to catch scum. why no lynch when we can lynch obvious scum. On November 06 2012 04:50 kushm4sta wrote: Why the fuck are you talking about sk, thrawn etc. Prome why are you conjecturing about the viability of killing an sk? find scummiest person. kill them. Anyone else want to kill dp? I don't understand people reading his filter and getting town reads. He is logical about shit, but always concerning perifery issues. He is not using his posts to find scum or push lynches. He has been invisible. He has been indecisive. He has sheeped. lynch dp On November 06 2012 05:30 kushm4sta wrote: 1.5 hours left it's time for consolidation. prome and dp are those the bandwagons* This push just reeks. It is not townie looking because townies would actually want some evidence before pushing a lynch. Instead kush lists generic 'scum' traits that don't even apply to me and pushes me super hard out of nowhere last minute. | ||
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On November 06 2012 05:55 risk.nuke wrote: Having the larger filter is as relevant as having the larger penis. You've done jack and are still apathetic. I have done things. Read my filter. You actually haven't done that much although everyone seems to believe you are super pro town for some reason. But it is your town meta to be useless I guess. | ||
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On November 06 2012 05:56 Promethelax wrote: Dp starts with Meta reads on Kush. Fair enough since we really can’t do better on him. I happen like Kush as a guy but playing with him has a 100% success rate at giving me migraines so I’m happy to look at him through a meta lens and ignore all his posts after that. DP doesn’t do that though, he gives his meta read and makes a big deal out of it. This begins his long standing tradition of attempting to buddy the weaker players in this game. After Muso claims DP is at first slightly accusative and calls out Muso as scum BEFORE any of the shenanies are revealed. If I am reading this right he is saying that unless Muso has a BC (which obviously he doesn’t since that was his first post) he is probably scum. This seems like a decent way to try to force Muso to claim his partner and, if he refuses, to push him as scum. Remember at this point we had no real reason to doubt his claim (albeit it was an odd one). Now, after suggesting that Muso is scum DP comes out with Which is a buddying attempt mixed with a clear town read. “no guys, this guy seems legit, back off him for a minute” this is a direct contradiction of his earlier post. Looking at DP’s next post I try to see the townie motivation for insisting that this claim is fake, sure some doubt is good but, again, there is no reason to be up in arms about this claim while, once again, DP fishes for the partner claim. Now I read this as a red move by DP but I could be good ole fashioned green Cartesian radical doubt (who knew philosophy would be helpful for mafia). Dp next says that Muso fake claim is terribad Even though he had made it clear that he was doubting the claim himself. In his next post on the Muso situation he Promises to vote Muso for fake claiming even though he has already said that 1) Fake claim as Scum is hurr durr and 2) release looks so pants-shittingly scummy it isn’t even funny. When Release switches onto Draz (release who was sooo scummy) DP says he’d be down with hitting draz in reply to Release. How did DP’s top scum read suddenly get sheeped? Even though DP would be up for a Draz lynch he votes Muso. There were three candidates d1 and DP was happy to lynch any of them. This ambivalence to the lynch makes him seem quite scummy (though since he was opposed to lynching me it will also make me look scummy if he flips red). The thing is he doesn’t even post on me until n1 when I am no longer a lynch candidate. Why does this post start with that description? DP makes this lynch Muso’s fault even though he, DP, was on this lynch. This is a very obvious attempt to distance himself from a townie lynch which has a clear scum agenda behind it. After all this he blah blah blahs about his party and hates on lists (which sure, are awful) On November 04 2012 02:47 DP says he’ll be more involved and that his weekend wilds are behind him. That was a lie though I don’t know whether to ascribe it to town wanting to be more involved and fialing or to scum lying to skate by. Null tell. DP jumps on Kush for a mistake in Kush’s posting where Kush says that he thinks that Muso is town and votes him. I think it was clear if you had read the thread up until that point that what Kush thought was that all the lynch candidates were town but that Muso had the best chance to flip red. DP jumps on that mistake like a slutty girl on a dick and rides it for all he is worth. But as soon as Kush says what he meant DP is off him again. DP is trying to find a place where his focus can stick but no one seems quite scummy enough. DP also fails to read Acro’s reasons for voting me and lumps Acro in with Kush as using a flavour reason, obviously not Acro’s reasoning. DP actions next follow two paths 1) telling Kush to stop with his flavour theory and 2) defending me Those are scummy actions right there. DP spams 1 for 1 with kush every time Kush says something about flavour DP tells him to stop. Spam. When I am called scum he passionately defends me. Still buddying weak players. DP get incredibly defensive when I call him out for buddying me, And injects what felt at the time like fake emotion into his post. Re-reading it I get that same feeling. So while DP feels less scummy to me than Fuba I could consolidate unto him to ensure a lynch. His play has been indicative of what is either a totally confused townie or a scummy scum. It is easier for me to believe that DP is playing scum scummily than it is to see him as a bad town. As such he is in my red column. I see that he has posted again during my write-up. I am interested to see that I am his best town read (I assume since he’ll vote for “anyone else”) and I’d like to ask: DP, why is it that I am more townie than anyone else in this game to you? Is this still a meta argument? Everygame I have been in with kush I have started with a meta read on him. I thought he was town initially because he was not conforming to his scum meta. But I left the caveat that he could have altered his meta since he was so aware of it. I thought this read would be useful because he is classic lynch bait generally difficult to read and easy to mislynch and I genuinely thought he was town at the time. You are not a weak player in this game. Quite the opposite. I read you as town pretty quickly from your posting. This is a consequence of you being very pro town, active. And consistent with the way you go about things as town. What I saw happening. Was people tunnelling a very early scum read on someone who replaced and not changing their read with the additional information provided when the replacement looked out of this world townie. I am not 'buddying' either you or kush. It is good play to defend your town reads when you are having trouble finding scum. That's what I did. If I was scum you would be the last person I defended because you have a tendency to call people out for buddying you. (keirathi) You are my strongest town read by far. I don't want you lynched. That is just good play. | ||
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On November 06 2012 06:09 kushm4sta wrote: more people vote for someone realistic please. I want to see how much support this.dp lynch has. then if we have enough we can get him to claim. What the fuck kush? more fucking bluehunting? | ||
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On November 06 2012 06:03 drazak wrote: What. Why are you even asking this? It doesn't matter what scum has to do man, I'm town, who gives a fuck, you are scummy as shit after asking that. OMG draz. Scum would just PM or ask in the QT if they wanted to know. | ||
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On November 06 2012 06:20 kushm4sta wrote: @dp I'm not bluehunting. we should decide who we want to lynch quickly and give them time to claim and us time to consider the claim. having the person going to be lynched claim is not bluehunting and it's scummy that you even suggest it is. You phrased it in a way in which me claiming was your goal rather than you know, lynching scum. Make a case against me that is not a list of generic scum traits that do not even apply to me. | ||
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On November 06 2012 06:28 Promethelax wrote: Well that posted before I was finished with it... change of heart...This is me looking back at a player and convincing myself of his alignment. I wasn't loving DP's play although it was a change from his scum meta in LC it was not a change to the pro-town and so that alone was not enough for me to see him as town. It is his attitude and play which makes him scummy not his meta. Sigh. You are really wrong about me. I am super busy I am studying for exams and wasn't sure if I should have played this game. You are right that my activity leaves something to be desired. But I don't think there is anything else scummy apart from a drop in activity from my usual scum or town play. I have actually made an effort in staying up late and getting up early to be around. | ||
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On November 06 2012 06:53 Promethelax wrote: Did I say to stop giving yourself excuses? I could have sworn that I did. Also and who is acro voting? Oh yeah, me. What the hell is this wishy washy crap! Thinking I am scum is one thing, thinking I am town and saying that you'd vote me as a sheep is another thing entirely. My fiance just made a good point: in my town games I regularly get called out as looking "too townie" and have been mislynched for it before in NMM XXII I think. (the fact that she cared enough about mafia to remember that is a win in my life) I actually hadn't even considered this. All I wanted was for Kush to stop shitting up the thread since he was making it pretty unreadable with all of his flavour crap. I also would really like to push Acro but not on a false theory. If I do end up getting lynched today you all need to look at him, if it looks like I am getting lynched I'll be writing up my case on him so that you guys can use it after seeing my flip. I think in XXII you got lynched for calling yourself townie too much. Not for actually looking townie. In fact you looked a lot less townie in that game than you have in subsequent games. | ||
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On November 06 2012 06:53 drazak wrote: I calle dhim out for it dp Well. That makes him look somewhat more townie I suppose. | ||
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On November 06 2012 07:02 kushm4sta wrote: dp sprung to action as soon as the bandwagon on him was forming in him. That is scum lurking. Your an Idiot. I clearly stated I was setting an alarm so that I would be here a couple of hours before deadline. I woke up with 5 hours sleep to be here. I live in a different timezone. Every fucking game this comes up. Jesus. | ||
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On November 06 2012 07:05 Acrofales wrote: Not if he said BEFOREHAND that he was going to sleep and would wake up for the last few hours before the deadline. Shit people, stop jumping at shadows when the answer has already been given. Thank you. So frustrating. | ||
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On November 06 2012 07:08 drazak wrote: Yeah, hopeless hasn't said shit. Ironic coming from you. But I am up for a hopeless lynch also. | ||
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On November 06 2012 07:08 kushm4sta wrote: no no I dont mean about being here. Off he is here but he just started trying to play the game. that's scum lurking guys. So if I am inactive I am scum lurking. and If I am active I am scum lurking. How about there is actually something happening in the thread for once. And that is why I am more active. | ||
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On November 06 2012 07:11 drazak wrote: My penis has been there for awhile kush Gross. | ||
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On November 06 2012 07:28 Promethelax wrote: Sorry, I'm writing up my case on Acro. Seriously are we, as a town, sheeping onto a lurker here in d2? Someone who isn't acro had better have a case written. This is bad play. Get yourselves together and at least post a reason for your vote besides the fact that he isn't here to defend himself and is therefore an easy lynch to push through. My reason is I don't want a no lynch. I don't want to lynch you who was the main consolidation candidate. And several people stated they would lynch hopeless. I am aware that this is essentially a lurker lynch. But they can sometimes hit scum. | ||
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On November 06 2012 07:36 kushm4sta wrote: I would really rather lynch dp. Who needs convincing and why? short please I am really tempted to straight up OMGUS you. | ||
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On November 06 2012 07:35 Promethelax wrote: Where the fuck did you all go? We were having a real involved thread there for a while and now everyone is on the lurker lynch and so convinced of it that they vanish. Leaving me and DP to slum around alone together. The hell... As soon as we voted for hopeless the thread died. Really fucking weird. | ||
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On November 06 2012 07:38 Promethelax wrote: Where are you everyone? Glad Kush is still here to push DP, that is a great benefit to us all. Where the hell did all you people who were contributing ten minutes ago get to? not sure if srs... But seriously. Kush still pushing me at this pint is the biggest waste of time/distraction I have ever seen. Certainly anti town. | ||
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On November 06 2012 07:39 kushm4sta wrote: why is it.weird? you think scum would last minute try to save their scumpal? It is weird because there was an immense amount of activity earlier and as soon as we voted for hopeless the thread died. How is that not weird. | ||
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On November 06 2012 07:41 kushm4sta wrote: why is that? you think you look so town you aren't an option? but like 20 ago you said your play was bad because you just weren't that active this game. Because there is 15 minutes to deadline and there are no votes on me. I am not being lynched today so talking about how badly you want to lynch me when you don;t even have a vote on me is a distraction and a waste of time. | ||
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On November 06 2012 07:48 mkfuba07 wrote: ... Why would I mean that five people are scum? It just seems strange that you suggest that the last person to vote is going to be scum or you regretfully hammering him. The option I mentioned involved 2-3 (likely 3) scum voting for him already. Your two scumreads are both voting for him already. Why leave out the possibility that all three are already on it and can't pull any townies in for the hammer? Wait so you think all three scum are on this wagon? | ||
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On November 06 2012 07:54 thrawn2112 wrote: kush are you really not considering that a scum could just make up a inanimate object and claim vt with it? i really don't see why you are leaning so strongly on this unconfirmed flavor theory that scum can just manipulate by claiming well. like it's so hard for me to accept that you're playing the game based on that theroy that i'm starting to doubt the accuracy of my check Really? You doubt the accuracy of your check? No fucking shit. Vote plz. | ||
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On November 06 2012 07:56 drazak wrote: Fuck it, I don't think hope is mafia. ##unvote ##vote prom we need a lynch though Fucking Scum right here. OMG. if Hopeless flips red lynch this kid. | ||
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On November 06 2012 07:58 drazak wrote: I'm scum because I'm not sure about a lurker lynch? k, whatever. ##unvote ##vote hopeless1der you better hope he comes up red or else I'm cominga t you dp LOL. You were on Hopeless for 48 hours and then unvote 5 min before deadline when he is the only candidate. I mean. It is so obvious. | ||
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On November 06 2012 08:07 kushm4sta wrote: wow flavor theory just fucked me lol...how did he come up with punchclock omg. you are dense. | ||
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On November 06 2012 08:09 drazak wrote: by saying I hope we don't mislynch? rofl No by trying to derail a scum lynch last minute despite having a vote on him for 48 Hours. And then re-voting as soon as you were called out on it. | ||
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On November 06 2012 08:10 Promethelax wrote: How do you feel about Kush doing the same thing. My knowledge of C set ups is minimal what are the likelyhoods of two godfathers? Acro, you can do this one I know. Framer or 3rd party. He is scummy as shit also. | ||
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On November 06 2012 08:12 kushm4sta wrote: also I was saying hopeless is scum before anyone else so go me actually. and kudos to you for that sick claim hopeless. GTFO. No seriously. You tried to derail his lynch at the last minute. You then voted for me despite 'KNOWING' I was town. And now you are trying to claim credit for his lynch by saying you knew he was scum all along. | ||
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On November 06 2012 08:17 Acrofales wrote: Oh, and Kush was just being dumb. There cannot be two godfathers. Framer. | ||
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On November 06 2012 08:21 Acrofales wrote: Of course he can still be an SK, but that doesn't mean he was not being dumb: an SK knows equally little about the scumteam as the rest of us. A framer is not a possibility I don't think. Gonna check the high-blue-role setup again. Of course, another option is both Thrawn and Kush being scum, but I am still leaning town on Thrawn. Have a lot of new info to analyze, though. This is not C9++ so don't rely to heavily on the mafiascum wiki page. It is only based on c9++ | ||
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On November 06 2012 08:22 kushm4sta wrote: no dp I said I knew hopeless was town, not you. I thought he was scum until he claimed. Pretty bad fake claim now that I think about it, but it seemed too odd to be made up at the time. So after you unvoted because you thought he was town you try and milk town cred by saying you knew he was scum all along? | ||
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On November 06 2012 08:24 kushm4sta wrote: dp why are you suspecting me I'm confirmed town bro You are not confirmed town. | ||
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On November 06 2012 08:28 kushm4sta wrote: yesss draz claim! @prome so I am your second lynch lol.... you realize that now that godfather died I'm like confirmrd town right No you are not. Stop perpetuating misconceptions. | ||
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On November 06 2012 08:27 Acrofales wrote: Actually, a framer is also possible. The mafiawiki site has no setup with a framer, yet framer is listed in the possible roles, so yes. Kush could have been framed. Given the suspicion he was under yesterday that is not a half-bad hypothesis either. That's what I was saying. And it's what my money is on. however Draz claimed scum. So lynch him first. | ||
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On November 06 2012 08:29 Promethelax wrote: Sk can be either bullet proof or night check immune, framer is a possible role. I'm sure you remember what a framer does, eh? LoL prom. | ||
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On November 06 2012 08:35 kushm4sta wrote: Fine maybe I'm not confirmed town, but I pretty close imo, unless I'm immune sk or my scumbuddies framed me. Anyway I just flipped flopped and I hate this drazak lynch. I remembered thay I hated it as soon as I was reminded of his flavor. He just won't stop. Urgh. | ||
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On November 06 2012 08:37 Acrofales wrote: Trying to make sense of things: This is Drazak confirming that he is voting for Hopeless, however vulgar his affirmation is. This is 4! fucking minutes before he deadline: And then this: I can make no sense of this play. What in the world is this shit? Please explain yourself CAREFULLY and in DETAIL. Your explanation so far has been a defense of why you voted for him earlier. Not this bonkers play. What is there to make sense of? He claimed scum. It was obvious as soon as he tried to switch to prom 4 minutes before deadline. | ||
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On November 06 2012 08:39 drazak wrote: I didn't see his post about being in a meeting, and then I did and didn't want to vote for him because that sucks. Apparently no seeing a post and then reacting to it is scummy now Switching off your vote four minutes before deadline sure is. | ||
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On November 06 2012 09:06 Acrofales wrote: That one's easy. Park your vote on your scumbuddy who isn't going to get lynched anyway... until "oh shit, he's getting lynched", panic and unvote. This. A million times this. | ||
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On November 06 2012 09:31 kushm4sta wrote: But drazak never pretended to want to lynch him. It was always a vote to pressure him out of afk. I don't see the scum motivation for taking your vote off like that. Scum would also not draw attention to themselves in quite so obvious a way. Any scum would have left their vote on hopeless, because it was pretty clear hopeless was going to be lynched anyway. As soon as all those people voted hopeless at once it was pretty clear that he was the lynch. Except he posted that he was in full agreement with that dick comment and then Unvotes scum 4 MINUTES before deadline and derail a lynch. My case on Drazak is not ridiculous and existed before day 2 even started. So it is hardly like I am pushing drazak after 1 person. (you) voted for me. | ||
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On November 06 2012 09:38 Acrofales wrote: Kush's voting pattern actually makes him look more innocent. Dumber, but more innocent. He believed Hopeless1der's claim (goddamnit Kush, I hope you learned your lesson) and unvoted. Then Prom started yelling to get the hell back on Hopeless1der and Kush complied. He only moved his vote off again when the deal was already sealed. Also, Risk didn't strictly hammer. He placed his vote on the guy who was already getting lynched: he consolidated and ensured last-minute shenanigans were impossible. Here's the history: Hopeless sits at 5 votes: drazak, kushm4sta, Acrofales, mkfuba07, DarthPunk Pretty much simultaneously: kush unvotes and Prom votes. I believe Prom thought he was sealing the deal. Hopeless still at 5 votes: drazak, Acrofales, mkfuba07, DarthPunk, Promethelax Kushm4sta hammers (in non-bolded text), Hopeless is gonna get lynched. Thrawn also hammers, 7 votes on Hopeless. Drazak unvotes. In actual fact this unvote is COMPLETELY pointless. However, I doubt that he actually knew that at the time, given his behaviour. After this, Risk votes and Drazak revotes. Finally Kush jumps off again. Man, I love this train. Either that was a fucking professional bus by Prom and Thrawn or they are town. I am obviously town. To some extent, I also like mkfuba in the deal, but less than Prom and Thrawn. Imho the vote says nothing about DP or risk. Drazak in particular looks like scum from this. Kush is just another layer on weird bullcrap in his already weird bullcrap play. The real problem is going to be finding the SK in this. Release is an option for not giving a flying fuck. However, everybody looking townie in this deal could also be an SK, because I think we already established that the SK should be playing with town today. I don't agree with your conclusions. I think the only person that gets any town cred from this lynch is prom for pushing the lynch onto others so hard. Thrawn and risk had to hammer because they were being called out on it by prom and would have looked terribad had they not sealed a lynch. Kush and draz both derailed things in their own special ways. Aside from prom MAYBE Mkfuba gets some cred for voting with the initial rush and helping create a scum lynch out of thin air. Maybe. All in all your analysis is poor IMO. | ||
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On November 06 2012 09:43 kushm4sta wrote: People are going to say this is confirmation bias, but if you look for the golden moment when a scum would likely bus on the bandwagon timeline that acro layed out for us, it's right around dp. What a load of shit. | ||
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On November 06 2012 09:48 Acrofales wrote: It's why I have DP as null from the vote. It was when the wagon was already rolling, but early enough to not look suspicious. However, town jumps on at that time too. You should just keep in mind that the mere fact of him being on the wagon does not mean he's town. It doesn't make him scum automatically either. Well I agree with you here. I stated earlier that I was ok with lynching hopeless and when I saw people put their money where their mouth was I jumped on board. I didn't know if he was scum or not. I was Lynching a lurker whom I much prefered to lynch over my town read who was the leading candidate at the time and whom is clearly town. I don't see how you could see anything other than a null tell with the timing of my vote. | ||
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On November 06 2012 09:48 drazak wrote: what, I explained my thought process, I don't think it's fair to lynch someone on a lurker lynch and then see a post about being in meetings or busy all day, I don't think that's a cool thing to do. So you would rather lynch the person you had stated you had a town read on multiple times than lynch a lurker? And were so convinced that your town read was now scum that you were willing to risk a no-lynch in the confusion? | ||
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On November 06 2012 09:58 drazak wrote: no, I'd rather kill someone other than the lurker, I didn't have much of a read on hope other than lurker, if I did I'd probably have been ok with lynching him and not unvoted. And then you voted for your town read instead of said lurker. | ||
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On November 06 2012 10:53 thrawn2112 wrote: acro, if we catch an sk what do we do with them? assume that catch = confirmed, just hypothetically There are potential situations where town can work with the SK if we are super behind. But Generally you lynch them unless you have a dead set scum lynch like we do currently. | ||
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On November 06 2012 11:17 thrawn2112 wrote: the post said acro not darthpunk, oh well. guys please dont answer questions specifically directed at somebody else It seemed to be a general kind of question. 0_o Sorry. | ||
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On November 06 2012 15:10 Release wrote: If someone can give me a good reason to post my acro (case) thing now, I'll probably do so, but as of now, i don't see any particular reason for doing so. I'll get the thing up tomorrow closer to the resolution period (7am PDT, not that much closer). Hold me accountable to these figures to prove that i have done it already: (from MS word) 6843 words 32068 characters (w/o spaces) 38628 characters (w/ spaces) Probably best to hold essays like that back until the last hour of night. Looking forward to it. | ||
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I think tomorrows lynch is pretty obvious. But I will be keeping an eye on kushm4sta also. Night all! | ||
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There are too many blues in this game also. So I feel as if this game does not conform to C9++ as much as we thought. Matt and Zealos were roleblocker and Jailer. Mkfuba claimed Jailer. Thrawn cop. plus another 1-2 jailer/roleblocker. all in all 5 roleblocking roles in the game so far. My top scum reads are drazak for claiming scum in the thread. And Kush if he isn't the SK. I think one of release/ kush are the serial killer. ok. I have an exam this evening so I need to study but I will be checking the thread in my breaks. ##Vote: Drazak | ||
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Anyway I will claim if you want. | ||
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On November 08 2012 09:48 Acrofales wrote: Finally, we're back to something resembling scumhunting. Yo, DP. I'm fairly certain I had some questions for you. Both have blue claims. That is the thing that has stopped me being suspicious of them. But there are too many blues in this game so to be honest I could see either being scum. I know you have some huge town read on thrawn but I just don't see it. He has not been as active this game as the newbie games of his of which I obs'd That would be partially explained by his blue role early. But if it was one shot then why would you continue to fly under the radar as town? Mkfuba has a claim also. Which makes him less desirable a target. Has prom confirmed his roleblock? if that is the case I see no reason not to believe him. I think I am caught up. But I may have missed some things. Really I should read the thread again but to be honest after studying for my exam yesterday reading is the last thing I want to do. | ||
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So after the drazak lynch I want to lynch kush and release. | ||
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On November 08 2012 10:01 Promethelax wrote: So why were there two shots n1? Are you the vig? If yes claim. I am not a vig. I think there is a serial killer. And that both scum and sk were blocked by roleblocks last night. That is why I want to lynch both release and kush. Because they have a 66% chance of being scum/ 3rd party. | ||
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On November 08 2012 10:01 Release wrote: about the 3 claims: acro, risk and ... (i only skimmed the thread to catch up. DIdn't catch the last one) Honestly, all game, i thought Risk was the silent half of a Mason Pair, but i didn't think he was non-town because of the abundance of other non-town -looking people. Acro a RB? I don't know what to make of it. The story works out but that's not too hard to create. He might be a scum RB and but this could probably be proved false by asking him to RB someone other than Draz or Kush (or me...) Ehh. I believe it. No one else has claimed to RB me. Have we accounted for all the RBs today? No. Not all the role blocks are accounted for. We are missing a roleblock on prom night one and a roleblock on Kush. | ||
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On November 08 2012 10:04 Release wrote: kush first? flavor theory been shitting up the thread all game. Obviously kush first. | ||
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On November 08 2012 10:05 Promethelax wrote: I also claimed VT. If Fuba blocked me and Acro blocked you (and botha re what they claim) then scum blocked Kush. Assuming scum have a roleblocker. Which I am not convinced of. | ||
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On November 08 2012 10:09 Promethelax wrote: Either claim roleblocker or stop doubting that scum have one. VT: Draz Risk Me Kush Release 1shot cop thrawn 1shot jk fuba RB Acro Not Claimed: DP If you are vig or RB I would like you to claim either now or after night actions have resolved on next night. Fro both release Fine. I will claim after night actions have resolved. This mass claim should not have happened today. Frankly I am quite pissed off we didn't do it in the last hour of the night to be honest. | ||
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On November 08 2012 10:16 Promethelax wrote: I had my reasons. I'll explain post game as explaining them now defeats the purpose of this. I think it is a pretty good strategy. Thank you for accepting this. So you think the last two scum and the SK are all in Kush/draz/Release? I am positive that Draz is scum. As does anyone with a brain. I was almost sure he was from day one after he altered his reads on people depending on their reads on him. Then he claimed scum with his shenanigans which make no sense from any standpoint other than newbie scum panicked that the vote on his scum buddy that had been there all day was helping getting his buddy lynched. 2 KP were blocked with 3 roleblocks. Kush and release both have a 66% chance of being scum/serial killer. I want to lynch kush first because he is scummy as shit so scummy in fact that I think he was framed or is investigation immune and has revealed his scumminess increasingly after he was in his words 'confirmed town' with his green check. Release just happens to be in with kush and while I don't think he is as scummy as kush I certainly don't think he was town. What I will say is that if release is scum then fuck you all cause i read 2/3 scum on day one. | ||
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On November 08 2012 10:26 kushm4sta wrote: Are you kidding me? I'm preventing people from finding the last scum by derailing the thread?? That is just not how it's going down. In fact I have been rarely talking about flavor without someone asking me about it. What a joke. This is so untrue. | ||
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On November 08 2012 10:27 Promethelax wrote: So, just to be clear, there is no chance in your mind that the RB on me prevented a kill (that is that I am scum or SK)? If both are scum and you are town I'll put you in my signature as my favourite sith lord. No. Of course it is just as likely that a shot on you stopped 1 kp. there are 3 options and 2 kp = 66% chance of kush/release having KP stopped. That is why I said 66% if you were not jailed it would be a certainty that both have KP. Wow. I hope I am right. Keirathi has a sig of Shiao Pi mocking me. It would be nice to have some revenge. lol. | ||
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On November 08 2012 10:28 kushm4sta wrote: dp is scum. risk is scum. release is sk. watch as drazak flips green then DP says OMG kush knew all along he must be scum. Watch as drazak flips red and kush still calls me scum. | ||
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On November 08 2012 10:33 Promethelax wrote: That the RB on me prevented a shot though, not the medic aspect of jailor. So at least one shot must (in your mind) have come from either release or kush. If you are not town then I will do something drastic. No I am not considering that you have KP. I think that should be obvious. You have been my strongest town read since night one. | ||
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On November 08 2012 10:51 Acrofales wrote: Why is everybody forgetting the fourth possibility in my list. Do you guys know something I don't? scum shot sk. sk shot prom. rbs were inconsequential. Hmm. Must of missed that. I guess this is a possibility also. | ||
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On November 08 2012 10:53 Acrofales wrote: Not saying that's what happened, just everybody is running wild instead of going back to basics. The mechanics are so inconclusive at the moment. All we know is that drazak claimed scum and we should kill him for it. Yeha I agree. We should have killed drazak before all this claiming nonsense. | ||
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On November 08 2012 11:11 Acrofales wrote: Did some thinking about kush claiming rb'd. I think scum rb'd him, thinking he is the SK. That's making me think he's town. I disagree. | ||
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Seriously vote drazak. He is 100% scum. if he flips green I will eat my trousers. | ||
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On November 08 2012 20:43 kushm4sta wrote: i guess nice bus dp ##unvote ##vote drazek If I am bussing drazak I must have gone backwards in time to day one and told my past self to bus him. Seriously kush. I used to think you were a troll but now I realise you are just bad at this game. | ||
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On November 08 2012 12:37 Acrofales wrote: Ok, convince me. Make a case on Kush that explains some of the following. Kush is an extremely unlikely SK. I tried making a case for him and couldn't. The problem is that voting behaviour. It's not something an SK would do. SKs don't pull stupid voting shenanigans, because they don't give a crap about the lynch, as long as it's not their head on the line. Do you feel lime that was all an elaborate act? To what purpose? Is kush even the kind of player who can pull that off? Imho you have to be Ace to even come up with that kinda stuff, let alone pull it off convincingly. And then, what's it all for? Kush is also unlikely scum. We already had the green check. We now have a roleblock claim. As far as I can see, the only way of this happening is if scum deliberately didn't roleblock (or roleblocked Prom) and took advantage of the missing block to claim RB'd themselves. Two problems here: The first is that the claim doeqsn't feel like a lie. It has frivolous details like the "I got a PM". That is too much effort for a lie: It describes a process. People lieing don't imagine the full scenario, just the relevant stuff, which would be "I was RB'd", without the extras. The second is that Kush already has the green check AND he claimed VT. Why have him claim RB'd, rather than his scumbuddy? This together makes him unlikely scum, but if we find a framer, I will reconsider this second part. I'll address this when I claim. | ||
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On November 09 2012 00:58 Promethelax wrote: This was Draz's last post and it was 22 hours ago. Anyone not voting Draz is an idiot at this point. This is a huge scum tell on top of a hugely scummy player. Draz, if by some impossibility you are town I will hate you forever if you let yourself get lynched without doing a damn thing about it before you die. @Kush A thought on Draz: this kid hasn't voted today. That means that he will be modkilled if he does not come back into the thread in the next ~6 hours. I for one would be okay with using his mod kill to our advantage and lynching someone else as long as we can confirm that there will be enough people here at the end of day to switch back onto Draz at lynch. I will be here on and off for another 5.5 hours but will not be here for lynch so this is a plan that would rely on other players. What do you all think? Can't sleep. This is terrible prom. What are you thinking? Just lynch the guaranteed scum plz oh plz lynch him. This plan scares me. | ||
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On November 09 2012 01:16 Promethelax wrote: If he was going to get modkilled (he isn't anymore, plan gone) it would be nice if we could let him die on his own and lynch the next scummiest guy as long as we could make sure that if he showed up to make sure he didn't get modkilled we could still lynch him. I like it but it doesn't matter anymore. If he was smart he would not have come back in the thread and voted just before deadline. Then he is still alive and we would have fucked up badly. Bad Bad plan prom. | ||
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On November 09 2012 01:31 Promethelax wrote: will you be here for lynch? y/n? Don't worry plan dropped. Wiped from my mind. Doubtful. Maybe if I wake up in time. Now I really need to go to sleep. I am shutting off my net rofl. see ya. | ||
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On November 09 2012 08:18 Acrofales wrote: Everybody except thrawn and kush knew it. Now we have another full filter of associations to puzzle over. Yummy Kush not-scum, so give me your SK theories or consider him town. DP pro-busser or not-scum. Everybody else null. I knew it day one. And I am not ashamed to be ungracious about it. | ||
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On November 09 2012 08:24 kushm4sta wrote: if the scumteam is hopless drazak release that is the most underpowered scum team ive ever seen Not every mod balances the game in the way you are suggesting. So i am not sure speculation like that should play into our thoughts. | ||
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On November 09 2012 08:25 Acrofales wrote: You know who knew it D1? The scumteam. Something to chew on there... If people had read my case day one and not been obsessed with me being scum they would have known also. He changed his reads on people based on their reads of him. That is survival instinct taking prevalence over finding scum which is a huge scum tell. If you are suggesting I am scum after this I really don't know what to say. I would have had to have bussed my entire scum team day one and two. | ||
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On November 09 2012 08:30 Acrofales wrote: Fairly certain Release isn't scum. There was something wrong with him being scum that I forgot but is in my filter. Release SK is still incredibly likely, though. Risk.nuke final scum. With DarthPunk and Kush cleared from the scumlist, risk is the only one left. Minor outside chance of thrawn. When Release and DarthPunk claim we can see if the blue roles work out to anything believable. There are an extraordinary number of blues in this game. | ||
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On November 09 2012 08:37 thrawn2112 wrote: acro probably town because of the release rb confirmation This makes no sense. | ||
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On November 09 2012 08:47 Acrofales wrote: Thank you for making me THINK at last. Conclusive final proof that Release is NOT SCUM (still SK though): Release was fucking ROLEBLOCKED A roleblocked roleblocker can't roleblock. Kush claimed roleblocked. Either this is a remarkable magic mix of circumstance, or Kush was in fact roleblocked. That means the scum roleblocker was not roleblocked. Ergo, Release is not the scum roleblocker, and thus not the final scum. Q to the fucking ED. This is so wrong. all roleblocks are resolved at the same time. So if release was the roleblocker his roleblock would go through. and he would also get the notification that he was roleblocked. | ||
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On November 09 2012 08:51 Acrofales wrote: And for anybody doubting that roleblockers can be roleblocked, I have the answer in my PM from Hiro, but: If A and B are roleblockers and C is some random joe, WHO is roleblocked in the following situation? A roleblocks B B roleblocks C PS. The answer is: only B. Really? this is not how it has worked in previous games. Ie. NMMXXIV in which the manner in which roleblocks worked came up in detail. | ||
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On November 09 2012 08:54 Acrofales wrote: You people all fail miserably at logic. Or there are 4 scum. That seems way outside the realm of C9++ games, though. YOu do not have all the information and you are on the wrong track with your assumptions. I would not continue making these assumptions until you have all the information. | ||
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On November 09 2012 09:04 wherebugsgo wrote: Read the OP. To clarify additionally, though this situation has never occurred in one of my games, if two roleblockers target each other on the same night, and one of them happens to also be carrying the nightkill for the mafia, the mutual roleblock will result in the night kill not being carried out. With respect to jailkeepers, this might be a bit confusing, but basically if a jailkeeper targets a roleblocker and the same roleblocker targets the jailkeeper, the roleblocks go through but the protection does not. So for the purpose of that action, the jailkeeper will function like a normal roleblocker. (I may change this in future iterations of the game but this is how I've considered resolving this issue in all of my games so far) Interesting. Thanks. | ||
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On November 09 2012 11:03 Promethelax wrote: If you are town and that was your strat you suck. To make sure you got roleblocked you'd have to play totally differently all game long. Note how I played to look blue versus your 'scum trap' in fact claiming porky pig would have done more for this claim than your trap. I just don't see a town motivation for this play. SK though. (okay wild theorizing: he is actually Porky think of what Porky says "thats all folks" sounds like an SK to me, okay I'm done now). I urge you to participate in the night time we have a number of obvious and strong town players/roles and one of them will be killed tonight so we may as well have the most put into the thread before we go. Good job guys. I'm liking all this though I don't like Risk as much as I was liking him. He likes to have input on things and he hasn't done anything this game. Kush, Release, Thrawn and Risk are the only ones not looking like good townies now. I'm out for a while. Back later tonight. I am going to participate. I am here reading the thread. I have a lot to say after nights actions are locked. I think that hour in which we can talk freely whilst nigh kills cannot be altered is really strong for town and I plan on using that advantage. There is no reason not to use solely that time period IMO. It is optimal play. You may disagree, as may acro. That is your prerogative. We can talk about it in the post game. | ||
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On November 09 2012 17:55 risk.nuke wrote: I'll be gone all day. I'd just like to point it out there that most people play bulletproof SK which is why I never considered kush for it. However it would actually make sense for kush to pick investigation immune rather then bulletproof if he is aware of how others regard his play. Anyway I think key to finding the SK will be to look into the rb's night 2 because it's very likely the SK was roleblocked that night. I find it interesting that as soon as a good deal of suspicion is levelled your way you suddenly are worried about whom the serial killer may be. | ||
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On November 09 2012 20:43 Acrofales wrote: It's not your logic we're worried about. Obsession with SK (and no mention of scum at night ever) because he's scum and fears the SK shot, but not the scum's. Yeah. I was thinking something similar. The sudden speculation on the serial killer at this point seems off. | ||
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All in all I am fairly frustrated that I am being forced to claim but I suppose it doesn't matter as much now as it would have earlier. | ||
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I am Pepe Le Pew the Jailer Night one I jailed my strongest town read which was prom. Here is my breadcrumb. I crumbed my role name in case there was another jailer and we shared rolenames. Pepe Le pew = Skunk The first letter of each word in the first paragraph spells Gaol which is the old english spelling of Jail. The first words of the first two sentences say keeping promethelax. On November 04 2012 02:47 DarthPunk wrote: So my flatmate decided to host a rager and they all got drunk as skunks...Great... As I have stayed up until 4am I have decided to try and pull an all nighter. Of course that means I need to post my promised night post before the deadline in case I fall asleep and become comatose in my tired state. Lucky for you guys I guess. Keeping my promise, I looked through several filters. Promethelax continues to be a strong town read. I know that others disagree with my philosophy on replacements and giving them somewhat of a clean slate. However I feel that if prom keeps posting with the quantity and quality that he has been he should become very easy to read as the game develops even for his doubters. I definitely do not want Prom to die. Townie townie town town IMO. Night two crumb follows the same pattern as the previous night. On November 06 2012 22:05 DarthPunk wrote: Goodnight everyone. At least near the end we got our shit together. Overall I think the we did well yesterday. Lynching the lurker paid off. I think tomorrows lynch is pretty obvious. But I will be keeping an eye on kushm4sta also. Night all! I Jailed kush because he was my second highest scum read. Tonight I jailed prom again because scum may have targeted him last night and may try again thinking there are no more jailers. I left several hints that I was blue throughout the thread. I am very disappointed that you couldn't have left me be and used your brains. Oh well. Nothing I can do about that. | ||
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On November 10 2012 08:53 Acrofales wrote: Ok. That throws all my logic overboard. There is funky shit going on. 2 full JKs and a 1-shot is: JJJJ Full RB and a 1-shot is: RR Full cop is: C That makes 0T, which gives: Goon, RB, Godfather. However, there is now a RB missing for this to work. There is also a surplus of KP. WTF. This is weird. Yes. I already looked all this up of course. Which is why I was more suspicious of kush and a framer than you were. Certainly there have been edits to the setup by WBG. There should not have been a one shot cop. For instance. Nor a SK. | ||
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On November 10 2012 08:57 thrawn2112 wrote: or you. that was what I was saying earlier it just required a matched set of roleblockers and roleblockees for it to make sense. are we really believing there are a million town roleblockers? town roleblocker is so easy to claim if you're a red roleblocker. It does seem unbelievable. obviously not impossible though. | ||
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On November 10 2012 09:14 Acrofales wrote: That's the problem I have. I cannot see this game being even remotely balanced without a scum roleblocker. But DP's story seems to check out, although he could be scum riding on the wave of claimers: the medic part of the jailkeeper cannot be verified due to the way this game works and the RB is equally likely to have prevented a hit. So DP could be scum on an awesome bus of Drazak and then claiming town RB instead of scum RB. I think all setup speculation is pretty much out the window right now. That leaves behaviour; and risk is still the scummiest. Also, with DP claiming he RB'd Prom and Prom claiming RB'd, Prom cannot be SK (if SP was lying about being a roleblocker, then Kush wouldn't have been RB'd). I did try telling you all without claiming. There are too many blues in this game, You do not have all the information. etc Now I will die tomorrow night. So thanks I guess. | ||
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On November 10 2012 09:21 Acrofales wrote: Hey, don't blame me. I was against that shit. I just joined because people were making it impossible to play without claiming. People be derps, yo. I am quite furious actually. | ||
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On November 10 2012 09:36 Acrofales wrote: I feel a 4man scumteam would be okay, but only without an SK. However, there were 2 kills on N1 and the OP says that scum KP is ALWAYS 1 and there are no scum KP roles there either. Meaning someone is forgetting to claim vig and fakeclaiming vt instead (honestly, that would be the most retarded shit ever), or there is an SK. 4 scum, 1 SK and 8 town just doesn't seem right. 2 mislynches and some bad luck at night and scum wins. Assume SK and scum hit town at night: 8-4-1 becomes 5-4-1 becomes 2-4-1 and scum has won. Let me put it differently: town would have to KNOW it's a roleblock/JK heavy game to make a setup like that fair. I would also hesitate to call it normal, because it's not balanced around scumhunting inasmuch as protecting townies at night. certainly more volatile then. But not imba. Clearly by the presence of a oneshot cop and a SK this setup is not normal. I can't make sense of it so I am going to try and ignore it. | ||
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On November 10 2012 09:55 Acrofales wrote: [M][N] Acme Mini Mafia - 8/13 alive; due to end Nov 12 - Nov 18 (wherebugsgo is host; HiroPro is cohost) That confirms serial killer and 3 scum then? | ||
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On November 10 2012 10:44 thrawn2112 wrote: where is the sun? night will never end. i fear we've entered the twilight zone LoL thrawn. | ||
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On November 10 2012 13:38 thrawn2112 wrote: I'm pretty sure he said he roleblocked risk OK. Must have missed it. Well. That is odd. I'll need to think about things. | ||
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On November 10 2012 19:41 Promethelax wrote: I was RB'd GG Acro, it has been a pleasure playing with you. I'm glad to have my sneaking suspicions finally removed so I can trust all the things that you said. If anyone else was roleblocked I want to hear about it. My mind is all wonked out trying to work out the balance to this game 3/4of flipped townies are blue. There is an SK. There are three more claimed blues. We flipped a GF and a goon. Useless against a slew of Roleblockers. DP: why were you so pissed about the massclaim? Weren't you going to claim today/last night during acction freeze time? As far as I can tell lynching scum = lynching sk for us right now. Both have one kp and no connections with anyone else in the game. Unless four man scum team which is pants-on-head. Risk: your head is certainly on the chopping block today. Who do you think should be under the axe instead of you and why? Release: the hell are you doing? we're thirty seconds into the day and you have voted three times. Please build a case on Risk. A case. Not a statement. I was no less pissed about the mass claim at that time I can assure you. The only reason I claimed is because I was pressured into it and even then I was tempted to just lie and claim VT. It was all the speculation that was clearly wrong based on knowledge of my role that finally swayed me to tell the truth. Yeah. I would like to ask in post game about mass claims. But ours was a joke IMO. | ||
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On November 11 2012 13:24 mkfuba07 wrote: Wait, you think I'm scum? No he thinks that scum would think of not claiming role block like that. So release is scummy. I am voting for risk nuke btw. He speculated ad nauseum first on prom then on me then on Mkfuba somewhat. He is just flinging shit until something sticks. There is a wealth of information on risk and why he is scummy. Acro was convinced and made a very very strong case on him. There is also the inescapable fact that he was role blocked and KP is missing. Combine that with Acros case and his attempts to lynch prom then Me and Fuba he looks pretty damningly guilty. I will go in depth on several further things with him after dinner. I am at my parents house for sunday dinner. So can't be online much till later. ##Vote: Risk | ||
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On November 11 2012 14:05 thrawn2112 wrote: If you are town, then like myself you are faced with knowing that this game contains 4 confirmed blues and and 2 claimed ones. Do you have any hesitations about the unflipped blue claims, because I sure do. What we know of this setup is possible based on the mafia scum wiki. I have never experienced this many blues in a game before And I have had doubts all game long about it. I have mentioned many times that there are too many blues in this game. But that is not actual true. half the blues are just one shot. we only have 3 blue roles with multiple shots. I have been sceptical of every claim in this game. beginning with the mason fake claims. I actually thought that acro had fakeclaimed due to no breadcrumb and his previous mason claim proving he had no adversity to fake claiming. But it turns out this is not the case. I think both yourself and Mkfuba could have easily fakeclaimed as scum also. But I don't particularly want to lynch every blue claim in the game. Just because the set-up is not what I am used to, is clearly possible, and it is easy to fakeclaim one shot roles. I also think speculating on the mafia roleblocker is useless at this point. If a scum roleblocker even exists. There are many explanations for missing roleblocks if there is a roleblocker. And I am not even convinced that their is. I think in a 0T C9++ setup it is very plausible to add an extra goon to balance things. People dispute this. But I feel an extra goon would be balanced. We have 2 kp a night but have only had 3 kills 3 nights in. Seems balanced to me. All in all I am not very sure of the set-up at all. So I decided a while ago that I would base my reads on behaviour rather than trying to break the game via speculation on the set-up. I feel that doing that could end up with us lynching consecutive blues. Regardless of the setup risk was roleblocked and KP was stopped. He was roleblocked because Acro, a confirmed blue was convinced he was scum. He built an extensive and convincing case against risk. Risk is incredibly scummy and is likely to posess KP. That is why I want to lynch him today. | ||
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On November 11 2012 23:16 risk.nuke wrote: DarthPunk is damned. Jesus christ I can't for the love of me understand how you can be this reckless with a game that's unlooseable if you just use your head. You can't believe there are 2 Jailors 1 Roleblocker, 1 1-shot Jailor, 1 1-shot Roleblocker, 1 1-shot cop and scum with no roleblocker, you just can't! It is possible. Look at the wiki page. The no roleblocker theory is not my own. I adopted it from something acro mentioned in passing. That the 0T variation looked too heavily town favoured and that to balance it there may have been an additional goon instead of a power role. Honestly I have no idea what the set up is. I know that you were 'convinced' that prom was scum and then when the speculation you used fell through you were onto the next candidate. Me. Even though it is equally likely that fuba or thrawn are fakeclaiming. Or that none of us are. you have no factual basis for your suspicions of me. Nor did you have of prom. It seems like you have tunnelled both of us from day one with no merit. It is not new you calling me scum. Even before I claimed it was prom or I. You haven;t cared about any other lynch but now that you can see endgame in your sights you are here pushing your mislynch. You are damned risk. Your play early this cycle rid me of any doubt that may have been lingering post Acro's case, roleblock and subsequent missing KP. | ||
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On November 12 2012 00:07 risk.nuke wrote: Thrawn claimed cop in a multi-scum scenario making him a target for the SK, not likely he did that as mafia, I'll bet my life on it. It is not as likely as you fakeclaiming. You're just pulling up every possible scenario that could shield you at the same time that you clearly don't believe them yourself. And you think a freaking MEDIC ROLE is not a target for the serial killer?!?!? And thrawn claimed ONE-SHOT cop. How is that more of a target than a freaking jailer. You are just pulling whatever you can out of your arse to try and lynch the freaking Jailer. Maybe because you don;t want any more people fucking with your night kills? I am the only one who can role block you tonight and once again stop your KP. Of course you are going to try and lynch me. | ||
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On November 12 2012 00:00 risk.nuke wrote: You can't even speak for yourself but you try to pull "Acrofales said" or "Promethelax said" at every turn. Like how you said that how I came to the realisation that you had to be the final scum was just dirtflinging untill something stuck. Get real, all scumhunting is you investigate possibillitys untill you find something. That I was stressed and worried over my mislynch which could have disastrous concequences for town (clicky) and as such posted alot without first thinking it through is not the same as dirtflinging. It might had been fair to accuse me of that if any of you had actually been here to shut down my ideas before I moved on myself. The rest of you, If you want to belive we have 6 blues and DP is telling the truth, then you can lynch me becaue you don't desserve to win. I said we MIGHT have 6 blues. I don't know if one of fuba or thrawn is fake claiming. But they both look a hell of a lot less scummier than you right now. I know I am not fake claiming obviously and I can't work out the set up so I am voting for the scummiest player in the game. Which is you. You don't even care who you lynch. I am voting for my strongest scum read. And all I see is that person trying to manipulate the set-up to get out of the lynch and acting like the most pro town player in the world without any substance to back it up. Not only that but he is trying to get me lynched with a case that could apply equally to every blue in the game that hasn't flipped. Let me summarise what your play today has consisted of. Trying to lynch the most pro town player in the game which you were certain was scum On November 10 2012 21:59 risk.nuke wrote: I was roleblocked. I'm on the train home. We need to kill prom. Will elaborate when i get home tonight! On November 11 2012 01:12 risk.nuke wrote: Addidtional Day 1 Actions. zealos - jailed - acrofales. (probably) mafia - roleblocked - promethalex (probably) Prom can only be SK if he faked the roleblockclaim. Day1. While it's not impossible I find it unlikely. Now I really feel like shit for my play this game but I'm not any lesser then to know when I've been wrong. Anyway - explanation: I believed Mattchews words that any scumteam that didn't include one of the veterans would be fairly weak and while most hosts doesn't completely randomise roles those who do usually still have a look over it and see if they deem the teams balanced or they random it again. Thus when I woke up this morning I wanted to lynch promethelax for likely being mafia due to previous suspicions + balance reason and if he wasn't mafia I thought there were a good chance he was SK. All in all a pretty safe bet to get rid of kp. You were shut down hard and fast at this point. Then you flip onto me with no new information and a nonsensical 'case' You then say that you have read filters and that I have to be scum On November 11 2012 02:28 risk.nuke wrote: Judging from filters release look like mafia. However release can't be mafia for the same reasoning as promethelax. mkfuba can't be mafia because that would leave unacounted for roleblocks. Leaving DarthPunk as the final scum. He's buss is going to make it impossible for me to get him lynched instead of me, you would be pants on heads if you did. However lynch him when I'm dead. kush/release is SK. However you hadn't even read my claim that many people had asked for. I don't even understand this line of reasoning. Mkfuba is in the same situation as I am. And yet he is confirmed town and I am scum. It seems as if you are selective in your reasoning in order to paint me as scum regardless of the amount of back flips or how confusing you come across. On November 11 2012 03:30 risk.nuke wrote: Tough question. You gave me something to think about. Okey lets go to step 0. Can they both be telling the truth. That would mean this setup looked like 5-4-3-1 which is impossible, there isn't a setup with this many blues. You then start proclaiming that there is not a setup with this amount of blues which is patently false. C9++ DDDD = 2 Doctors + 1-Shot Doctor BB = Roleblocker + 1-Shot Roleblocker C = 1-Shot Cop This setup is a valid c9++ setup. We are using a modified version of this. That is all we know. We have no idea how it was modified. They may be a framers, Their may be an extra goon. There may be a scum roleblocker. I don't know. What I do know is that the claims we have are in line with C9++ and therefore I do not want to go around lynching every blue claim just for claiming blue. There are other ways in which to find scum. Scum hunting for example. Something which you have done little of. All you have done is tunnelled prom for shit reasons for which I called you out on day one. And then burst into activity when you are set to be lynched. There is a massive case on you which you have not adequately addressed. All you have done is speculated on the set-up in order to stave off your lynch. I welcome a case against me that does not include set up speculation. But I feel that I deserve more than your rants that I must be fake claiming when that is clearly untrue. And a simple google search would have told you as much. | ||
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On November 12 2012 00:23 risk.nuke wrote: If you were really a jailor you would had jailed Acrofales, not promethelax. No I wouldn't have. And I didn't. I jailed prom again because he has been my strongest town read since night one. I thought he may have been targeted night 2 as that was one of the potential options for missing KP and thought scum may try to shoot him again if they had tried the previous night when he was jailed. I am certain I mentioned this in my claim post that you still haven't read it seems. It seems like a very reasonable jail to me. Keeping the towniest player alive. Anyway. I am done with you. These arguments are not arguments at all and are incredibly desperate. | ||
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On November 12 2012 00:43 risk.nuke wrote: Nice, but wait that's a lie because that setup doesn't have an SK. What part of modified do you not understand. | ||
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I hope to see you flip red in the morning. Good night sir! | ||
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On November 12 2012 00:52 risk.nuke wrote: Your jailings are fuckign awefull. Why is that, it's because you haven't protected anyone that could actually be killed. This is what happend. You tried to pull an advanced fakeclaim and failed miserable. But thanks to that I can't convince the towne of your guilt before I die, nice job being a kingmaker for the SK. Here is the story, you decided when you got roleblocker that you would use it to claim Jailor. However claiming jailor could get you killed by the SK which is why you've panicked everytime claiming have been discussed. The other thing that could ruin your claim is if someone you roleblocked died. Which is why you haven't protected people with a risk of dying. Prom was not a likely target night 1 hyaving just replaced in. The second night you once again protect a target with no risk of dying, however you claim you did it with the intention to stop KP. Which is the worst possible way to use a jailer role. Third night you didn't protect Acrofales with bullshitreasons you didn' think he would be the one to be killed. Your nightactions are so obvious, oh and they just happen to be in line with the suspected mafia roleblocks. I'll respond to this briefly before bed. Prom was my strongest and only town read. That is the correct person to Jail on night one. And if you think prom was not at risk of dying last night you are so fucking full of shit nothing can save you from drowning in it. I do not believe that stopping KP was the worst possible way of using my role that night. I did not think drazak would be used to deliver the Kill as he was so scummy. I thought that if I blocked my second highest scum read at that point then there was a greater chance of actually stopping KP and KP was stopped that night. So I feel like it worked out. 'Bullshit reasons' is fucking subjective. As is all the shit you are spouting. I think Prom had a fucking good chance of being targeted last night by either SK OR SCUM. And he was my strongest town read BY FAR. I understand that you may have not made the same desicions in my shoes. That is reasonable. What is NOT reasonable. Is because you didn't make the decisions I would have made you are lying. What in the flying fuck? Suspected mafia roleblocks. They were only that because I happened to be the last one to claim. I didn't want to claim because I wanted to not get blue sniped in the night like I doubtless will be tonight as the only relevant blue remaining. The reason I did claim was because my not claiming when everyone else had were causing mis-assumptions about things such as that and were putting people on the wrong track. I didn;t want | ||
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On November 12 2012 00:56 risk.nuke wrote: Oh modified. Yes. wbg added a SK and removed the mafia roleblocker for fun. Yeah right. Or there is a framer or an extra goon or there actually IS a roleblocker and someone IS fakeclaiming OR they roleblocked one of the blues who died on the first night. Or they roleblocked acro and then some roleblocks stacked. I have considered these scenarios far longer than you as I have had the knowledge of my role for longer than you have. There are countless scenarios which are plausible. There is no way to know which is correct. Which leads me to believe that lynching into all the blue claims is a bad idea. We should scum hunt and lynch the scummy looking players. And that is why I am voting for you. If you are so certain I am scum I welcome you to actually read my filter and make a case that isn't based on setup speculation or 'I wouldn't have done that in his position OMG SCUM' Also quit martyring yourself. Quit calling everyone bad when you have been inactive and anti town yourself. K I am done for real. | ||
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On November 12 2012 01:08 risk.nuke wrote: So what do you believe, do you belive I am the mafia, the SK? Does the mafia have a roleblocker, What do you believe about anything regarding the setup, is fuba and thrawn fakeclaiming or not. All of these questions, yes no, maybe. You haven't the tiniest opinion. Yes I am the apathetic player. I have no idea about the setup. So I am choosing to ignore it mostly. You were Roleblocked, KP was blocked. A confirmed blue was positive at your guilt and roleblocked you thinking it would stop KP which it did. There is a substantive and unanswered case against you which has gone unanswered. You are grasping at set-up speculation to wriggle out of your own lynch. These are the facts. This is more than enough for which to lynch you. And thus My vote stays on you. I am disconnecting my internet now so I quit getting drawn into this any longer than I have already. | ||
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Thanks prom for stopping any last minute shenanigans. I'm going to dive through some filters and post before the day post my last will and testament. We got this though. So I am not worried now. We got more time to play with with this lynch and reduced the KP by 1/2. <3 | ||
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On November 12 2012 09:36 Release wrote: If I'm scum, ask DP to JK me. If there is a kill, I am not scum. If there is no kill, we have another day to hash things out. (Yes, the scum might withhold a KP.) This is so fucking retarded. I don't know what to say. You are starting to sound like risk all of a sudden. I will jail how I please thank you very much. | ||
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On November 12 2012 05:13 thrawn2112 wrote: I also think dp is town, just from reading his filter without considering a fake claim. He may not like this reasoning, but my impression of town dp is a stubborn angry guy who likes his cases and likes yelling at people who disagree. And lol, that's what I've seen this game. What I saw from scum dp in LC was a toned down version of dp who was not that stubborn. + Show Spoiler + sorry dp <3 I think you got it pretty right. I don't take offence. I can also see that you would think I am angry after being so hard on you in the obs qt's of your newbies. ^_^ I am pretty damn aggressive in mafia. But I am a nice guy IRL I promise. | ||
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On November 12 2012 05:14 kushm4sta wrote: yeah if you read his filter with an Australian accent in your mind it seems way more town. I think this is the key to reading dp. LOL. I read all of you guys in an Australian accent. After I read this I tried doing it with an american accent. But I couldn't get the accent right. It ended up sounding really cheesy in my head. | ||
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On November 12 2012 09:30 mkfuba07 wrote: I changed my mind. For some reason I didn't consider risk being sk. Since he was sk, it means kush isn't sk. And since kush isn't sk, I can completely throw out my case on you two. Was admittedly bad play to begin with. Kush is guaranteed town, since him being scum relies on thrawn lying, which would mean 2 scum. DP has his claim, and has played incredibly townish all game. If he's scum, he deserves to win XD Prome can't be scum because there was a kill last night and he was jailed. I can't be scum because I know my role and I am not scum Thrawn could theoretically be scum, but my theory was based majorly around his interactions with sk kush. Again, admittedly bad play that I always said I'd never do (unflipped association theories), but almost everything seemed to fit so well, and I got carried away with it. I don't think I could point out a post in his filter that I find to be overtly scummy. Aaaaand Release. Release is the only one left. Boom! Theoretical if Release isn't scum 5-1 lynch Release (4-1) If release isn't scum, scum kills someone (3-1) After that we lynch thrawn because I'm town. In thrawn's case, we lynch me because he says he's town. Not sure what everyone else might be thinking. Either way, lynching Release feels like the best bet. Does anyone think that thrawn is scummier than Release? Let me know if I missed anything. I think it's pretty solid. Yeah. I have a problem with this post. You acknowledge that both you and thrawn may be fakeclaiming, But use my claim to somehow exonerate me?!?!? Fair enough if you have a town read on me but don't use my claim to view me as town use my filter and your brain. Seems weird you would just leave me out of the three of us who have claimed. | ||
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On November 12 2012 10:21 thrawn2112 wrote: dp, it all goes back to my first game where i rolled vig and didn't realize the importance of breadrumbing You know I didn't want to lynch you at the end though right? I ended up voting for Your Harry over you I believe. But yeah. It was my second game also and I was connection crazy and your vig claim threw me off super hard.. Ever since that game I have been super wary of lynching blues. So I guess I learnt something. | ||
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On November 12 2012 10:53 mkfuba07 wrote: It's not just your claim, it's how townie you've been all game. I said that... I find your claim more reliable than either of ours. And I find both your's and mine more reliable than thrawn's. While I'm clearly biased by my own knowledge, I feel that anyone claiming to have jailed prome was unlikely to be lying about it. If the sk decided to kill prome, then any scum rb claiming to have jailed him would be outed instantly as a liar. It's a risk (heh) that as scum I don't think I would take, and I don't think you would either. There's also the fact that it would make more sense to breadcrumb roleblocker rather than jailer. You don't gain anything by lying about which fake role you have, so why not just give yourself the real role? Thrawn's crumb was good, and that I've never denied. The only reason I feel like I'm still questioning it is because I think it's an easy claim for scum to make. They crumb 1-shot cop, call someone town, then get a free ride to endgame. At this point I don't think he's scummy, but if it comes down to him vs me, I know who it is. The thing about trying to paint my claim as fake is how fucking retarded it would be. I would have bussed both my scum buddies immediately. Then claimed a role that would have damned me if my jail was killed by a sk. It would have been incredibly risky and stupid. Scum would have claimed VT or maybe a one shot role. This is sort of speculation and I have been trying to avoid it. But honestly I would have to be an idiot to claim JK as scum. I really don't think someone needs to be fake claiming. Release/kush were my SK reads. Kush is town 100% now that Risk flipped. so. I am taking a close look at release whom I thought was scum day one and has done little to make himself townie IMO. Release is far scummier than anyone else in the game. That is why he should be looked at. | ||
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On November 12 2012 15:11 thrawn2112 wrote: acro roleblocked risk, so acro's death came from mafia kp. prom was roleblocked, so he's not mafia. there is no way in all of fuck that I'm going to vote for prom. I really think darthpunk is town but I'll reevaluate that read between now and the deadline. kush can only be mafia if there are 2 godfathers and a goon in a setup with a million blue roleblockers. that leaves me with... release fuba hmm... darthpunk, why did you jail prom instead of acro n3? He was my strongest town read. And when he was jailed night 2 KP was stopped. I rb'd Kush that night. After the draz flip he was 99% town. The 3 options that I had for the no kill night 2 were Kush had KP and was roleblocked Release had KP or was roleblocked Prom was targeted by NK but was jailed. So after kush is pretty much town I was certain that Prom was targeted for a kill that night and that release was the SK. I did not think that scum would expect another jailer at that point so I thought I would protect the person whom was likely targeted the previous night. As I thought they would want to finish the job. That is the basic reasoning behind it. | ||
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Mkfuba is confirmed town. And one of release/thrawn HAS to be the final scum. Release is looking a thousand times worse than thrawn. Release is the final scum. | ||
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On November 12 2012 15:52 Release wrote: Fuba was the only one to support the case for my comment + Show Spoiler + On November 08 2012 13:10 Release wrote: On a day on which no one dies, occam's razor says that those who have kill roles will not claim to be RBed. It would lead to that line of reasoning ,"no one dead, this guy RBed, this guy has killing role" I don't see anything that my post actually shows except for my inability to play mafia well. It is not townie and i don't see why fuba should defend me like that. @darthpunk What if Fuba is just the scum RB who claimed one-shot and isn't going to use his RB powers anymore? It is possible. But If you are town and FUBA is scum can you explain how the night actions on night 2 work out? And why there were no kills? | ||
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On November 12 2012 17:06 Release wrote: @DP Acro RBs me. DP jails Kush Fuba RBs prome Some acro logic: Fuba knows that Thrawn is town (or SK claim) so he is less likely to doubt the green check than town and town didn't doubt it too much. Kush is the confirmed green so it be best if he took a shot at Kush. That is certainly plausible. I still think Prom was a much more sensible and likely NK target than kush was. But it is certainly possible. And If scum have no reason to doubt thrawns claim kush would certainly be a confirmed green in their eyes. Hmm Interesting. | ||
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On November 12 2012 20:15 Promethelax wrote: well, excellent lynch guys. Glad we go that one through. I think it is safe to treat Risk's cases like we would a flipped townie. We know his best bet for survival was to convince us that someone else was scummier than he was. I'm pretty tired so I'm going to have to keep thinking on this but I think we can use the no KP night to prove who the last scum is/isn't. Any ways I'm done work for the weekend so I'm back in the game 100%. Before the night kill comes through you'll have my full thoughts. I think I'm a more likely night kill than DP is tonight but we'll see. DP use the roleblock half tonight. Not the medic. I think you share my views on this but you should know whats up. Also: why did you JK me n1? I know you had a big ole town read on me but why did you expect to prevent a kp by jk'ing me? I jailed you because you were my biggest town read. You were very active and looking like your townie self. That was by far the best reason that I had at that point. No one else looked particularly townie to me. That was 90% of it. I also had some thoughts about replacements in general. I think I read somewhere that replacements are often killed by scum early on if they look townie. I think it was in TLVII or Liquid City. But I remember someone saying that and it played a small part. But mainly it was early on in the game and you were clearly town and a threatening townie for scum to keep around at that. I don;t feel like my jails were particularly bad. I really don;t understand what the problem with them is. Maybe I should have jailed matt? No offence to him but he has been useless in the last two games I had with him and showed no signs of improvement this game. Zealos would not have made a good jail either. There was talk of him being modkilled. Fair enough if we had a marv or a hapa in this game I would have jailed them over you for sure. But there was no solid night one candidate like that. You were one of the strongest players in the game and also looked towniest. So meh. I'm sure I'll get some feedback in post game about my jails but I feel they were good choices overall. | ||
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On November 13 2012 08:00 Release wrote: i lied alright @kush You lie a lot. | ||
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On November 13 2012 08:10 Promethelax wrote: okay. Town I lend my weighty voice to this plan. We lynch Release today, 100% no questions asked. However we go out and scumhunt as if he has already flipped green and the other five of us are all that is left in this game. Fuba DP Kush I know you all are around. I'd like your thoughts on everyone left in the game. Leave no one out. Yeah hang on I got up like 5 minutes ago. I am going about my morning ritual. and then I will post. | ||
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On November 13 2012 08:11 kushm4sta wrote: That outcome actually doesn't tell is anything because it was mafia's smartest play whoever they are to not nk. How so? would you care to elaborate on that? | ||
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Release is scum and was jailed. Likely Release is town and mafia held back the NK hoping to manipulate the blue action into a mislynch. Plausible Release is town and was targeted for the Night KIll. Ridiculous | ||
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On November 13 2012 08:25 Release wrote: Prome, do you read my posts or discard them as trash? Actual question. The thing is though release. You know you were likely getting jailed last night. And what you are saying would be the exact excuse to use if you were jailed as scum. | ||
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Thrawn, Fuba and Me Prom cannot be scum as he was Jailed as was the serial killer and kp still resolved. Kush can only be scum if there are 2 godfathers. | ||
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On November 13 2012 08:59 Promethelax wrote: I read literally every post from every player (except Kush in LC) when I'm in a game. I am never 100% in someone's alignment until they flip and always prefer to hear what someone has to say over ignoring it. Although a lot of your posts are trash I decide that after reading them. When you say something it is how you see it, when Kush says something it is how Kush sees it. I want to hear those things from both people. Even if the thoughts are the same. DP: don't discount the possibility of two god fathers. Out of Fuba and Thrawn who do you think is scum and why? (I assume you won't provide the case against yourself). I would provide the case against my self. But I don't think I would be able to see anything scummy. You know, Because I have already rationalised all my actions this game and I am town so everything I post looks pretty darn townie to myself. Out of FUBA and thrawn. Hmm that is a tough one. I think both are plausible. Thrawn had a lot of weirdness around scum votes and has not been what I remember of his townie self. He has flown under the Radar much more than I remember in my last game with him and a couple of his newbies in which he was very vocal and had a penchant for becoming somewhat of a town leader. Fuba always looks pretty scummy to me even when he is town. Maybe That's why I am inclined to believe he is town this game. Despite him not making much in the way of contributions. Neither of them look as bad as release who has been scummy since day one and I was almost certain was the serial killer. SO I still want to lynch him first. If he somehow flips green, which I doubt, I will do a thorough inspection of Fuba's and thrawns filters post my findings and see how I feel. I may even do it today. But my other game just started and I may be pressed for time. We shall see. Who do you find scummiest out of the three of us and why? | ||
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On November 13 2012 09:13 Promethelax wrote: Any thoughts on 4 scum vs 3 scum? Does anyone have any really good idea as to which way this will go? I am stuck on balance and another goon/GF kinda makes sense... Also would make release saying that he can't concede in the way he said it make sense. Don't get complacent. It is possible. That would make this MYLO I believe. Balance and set up speculation has yielded little fruit for me. Both thrawn and Fuba could be fake claiming as scum. I am not reading to much into that concede thing. I don't know if that is the correct thing to do or not though. | ||
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On November 13 2012 09:17 Promethelax wrote: I find thrawn the scummiest. I thought that was clear from what I said earlier. I'm used to him being a vocal, good town player. Here he has been an under the radar nobody. I've talked about this before in my filter and I would have lynched him earlier without so many scum claims. My last scum after release is Thrawn after him is Kush. I think Both You and Fuba are town. Fuba has never been a really townie player but his actions seem reasonable here. Yeah. I know you said that earlier. I am just trying to keep discussion going and you are the only one around. It frustrates me that everyone is so complacent. | ||
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On November 13 2012 09:23 kushm4sta wrote: @ dp so why can't prome be scum? you say he was jailed but the kp and sk still resolved? what night was that? Holy shit Kush. ROFL. The night before last. Acro RB'd Risk. I jailed Prom. Prom is confirmed town. Far more so than you are. | ||
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On November 13 2012 09:31 kushm4sta wrote: where in the thread is it explained? i asked this before but acros explanation was not conclusive. It was after acro died. It has nothing to do with acro's theory. | ||
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On November 13 2012 09:46 Promethelax wrote: DP, I know you are around. I'd really like to see a filter dive from you in this day cycle. I know we aren't as exciting as a new game but it would be nice to finish this one on a high note. I'll get to it. Promise. | ||
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On November 13 2012 09:52 Promethelax wrote: the last two cycles have been periods of no activity...but okay. I hope to wake up to something from you buddy. + Show Spoiler + I'm not a Yank! The hell with you!+ Show Spoiler + Okay I am. But I moved away Off topic. We have a lot of Canadians come to the UNiversity here to study and I take great delight in confusing them with Americans. They get super mad lol. | ||
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On November 13 2012 09:58 Promethelax wrote: Fair enough. I deal with a lot of new zealanders (what do you call them that is slightly insulting but socially acceptable?) through my work and I do love confusing them with Australians. Do you think a scum RB would have fake claimed blue or green? Why? Well. We like to talk about their carnal relations with sheep. But err. Calling them Australian is probably just as insulting and more socially acceptable. I think claiming a one shot role is probably the best course of action. It removes some suspicion from you and can't really be dis-proven at all. I remember when thrawn claimed I was fairly suspicious of him but I had no reason to disbelieve his claim so that was alleviated somewhat and now he is just a VT. Similar situation with Fuba he was somewhat suspicious and then he claimed and I crossed him off my list for a while. That being said it is most common for scum to claim VT in a game with no watcher/trackers as there is no need to potentially explain visits etc. But what are one shot roles but VT's anyway really? A one shot cop with a green check. Anyone could claim that. even a goon. A one shot jailkeeper could be claimed by a roleblocker. And if his roleblock get's killed by the serial killer he waits another night to claim a jail. So yeah. I could see the advantages on claiming a one shot role but there are advantages to both. Any reason for asking? | ||
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On November 13 2012 10:28 Promethelax wrote: Because I'm thinking about it myself and want your input really. Just for something to talk about. Yeah I get how you feel. ZB was in two games at once and it was frustrating. It really isn't Ideal and it something I avoid, But keir asked me to join up and how could I refuse that? | ||
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On November 13 2012 11:05 Promethelax wrote: Have no fear, I'm still here. Fuba's giant posts this game have been quite good. Fubes I hope you will write more like that. I would like a post like Fuba's most recent post from EVERY PLAYER LEFT IN THE GAME! this means you! Thrawn: come back and play. I don't see release being town but if he was the last scum not conceding would be dumb as fuck, or as DP says: retarded. This is why I'm wondering about a four man scum team. Release: if you are the last scum seriously please just concede, you'll save everyone a lot of angst and the result will be the same. Release and Kush, you have been underwhelming this game but now is your chance to redeem yourselves. Posts your reads and make sure that you have reasons to back them up. Share your thoughts! Thrawn: I get that Halloween was a big fuckin party or whatever but you haven't been playing this game at all and it has been a week and a half. Time to get in here and get over whatever block you have on playing. Someone is reading the other thread ROFL. I plan on going through both Fuba's and Thrawns filters and making a case on both. As I said it will probably be whilst you are all asleep. Thrawn needs to get in here and contribute though. I don't know what it is but this is not a thrawn I have ever seen before. | ||
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On November 13 2012 11:17 Promethelax wrote: of course I'm reading it. I'm off in the /obs QT fawning over how cute you are all the time. Has Thrawn ever played scum? This play seems vasly different from his town meta but I don't remember a scum meta to compare it to. I'd like it if you would do Kush as well. Release if you have time for it. Kush is not confirmed! I am not, not voting for release today. If we don't lynch him then he just becomes a bigger problem he next day. Thrawn has never played scum. It is worrying to say the least. He has played 3rd party. But in that game scum was so far ahead he actually needed to catch scum to win rofl. So no meta to compare to unfortunately. I'll do Kush too I guess. Geez. Holy shit I have a mafia work load right now. ^_^ | ||
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On November 13 2012 11:52 kushm4sta wrote: k prome is town. Thank you for explaining.. there has been so much nk theory which i have kind of been tuning out. flavor theory>nk theory Anyway yeah my inactivity and I'm sure others' as well is due to the fact that we have an obvious lynch who is like 95% scum. Thrawn - I can't see scum claiming and saying they got a green check on me like that. There is 0 scum motivation. Fuba - His claim was really detailed and it seemed hella town. Pretty much that long winded claim is the sole reason I think he's town, but nevertheless I'm pretty sure of it. Prome - I guess he's confirmed town.. sorry for missing/forgetting that. DP - yeah that would have to be the proest bus ever. He is my number 1 suspect if release flips town. Release - duh Well. I don't see why I am so much more a likely candidate than thrawn or Fuba. Anyway you should dive through my filter tonight and present a case against me assuming Release flips green. Someone needs to do it and considering I am your top scum read in that scenario it might as well be you. | ||
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On November 13 2012 12:40 kushm4sta wrote: If release flips green then I will We are all making cases pull your weight. | ||
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If you are town. I am sorry. But we need to lynch you regardless otherwise we will be thinking what if? you know. The best thing to do if you are town is to dump reads. Go through everyone's filter tell us what you find. That's my advice anyway. | ||
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On November 13 2012 16:02 kushm4sta wrote: @DP I don't get why we have to make cases now and not after the flip?? If there is a case it will still be there to be made after the flip. Because we don;t want to get complacent and let the thread die and then go oh WTF? release flipped green now we have to figure who the fuck the scum is and noone is here. Also more time the better. It's just safer this way IMO. Hope for the best, Plan for the worst and all that. | ||
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I know this is long. And I tried to be brief. But I think I found some potentially important things so please bear with me. Starts off pretty null. He gets really involved in the mason claim stuff. A lot of posts and speculation on it. That situation was disastrous for town BTW it allows scum to post alot and look like they are contributing while townies herp derp and kill themselves. I found the situation with the masons tiresome and boring so it is somewhat weird that he took such an interest in it. Maybe scummy but I'l call it a null tell. The first thing i found off about thrawn was his read on kush. He makes a FoS on kush On November 02 2012 21:51 thrawn2112 wrote: fos kush muso/acro His first statement about the double mason claim was this: Then a page or so goes by with people jumping on the vote muso bandwagon, and then here's kush's next post: So he thinks that both claims are legit.... then after people start voting muso he decides to vote muso because of.... what change of opinion? None that I can see, just a disclaimer about waiting for additional claims. Muso/Acro if you guys are both town and believe each other to be town, and you're skeptical of prplhz for beliveing both claims, what do you think about kush's actions? Then there are a series of posts which berate him. And then not only is there a turnaround in kush's read on Kush he provides possibly the most useless post ever. On November 03 2012 03:06 thrawn2112 wrote: I don't want kush to get lynched today. Yes, he's said dumb stuff and he's on my radar but that's usually how it goes with him. Imo we need more information to make a kush read. Kush picks up on this and ask what the point is On November 03 2012 03:18 thrawn2112 wrote: You have 0 votes but I wouldn't say that you being lynched is out of the question. If I knew who I wanted to lynch......... + Show Spoiler + I'd tell you His filter is scummy, his initial vote on muso was full of denials of responsibility such as things along the line of "if he's town then he's not helping." But much like you.... his town filters are always at least a little scummy so I haven't decided yet. Here it gets really interesting. When asked about drazak he Is INCREDIBLY wishy washy. It is almost classically the scum response. State that your scum buddy is scummy in order to distance yourself but then discredit the very things you just said in order to arrive at no conclusion at all. Then again in his very next post On November 03 2012 04:36 thrawn2112 wrote: got some stuff to do between now and lynch so for now, ##Vote: Muso I think muso has the best potential for flipping red. drazak has looked super scummy in every game i've seen him play release... i'm still wary of him but I like muso's chances of being red better So he isn't scum because he has a scummy town meta but then he is wary of him but some other guy is scummier.... More. He talks about wanting to lynch drazak On November 06 2012 06:40 thrawn2112 wrote: uh what do you guys think about lynching drazak Then when someone actually does he backs off Then not ONE thing is mentioned about drazak until this On November 07 2012 02:37 thrawn2112 wrote: I do agree that there is a lot of stuff to consider for drazak's case but I'm hesitant to decide on that right now. ATM I think kush and acro are town. As far as scum suspects other than drazak, I'm somewhat at a loss right now because we weren't really able to get discussion about the hopeless lynch, it just happened. Going through his filter didn't give me much. AFTER the hopeless lynch AFTER draz claimed scum. There is more of the same wishy washy shit that came before. Speaking of the hopeless lynch. This is his entire contribution or discussion on it. On November 06 2012 07:45 thrawn2112 wrote: hopeless please tell me what that prom comment meant On November 06 2012 07:49 thrawn2112 wrote: "I also can't belive that prom just isn't running with this" what did that part mean On November 06 2012 07:55 thrawn2112 wrote: ##unvote #Vote hopeless1der Compare this to the one other post he made during hopeless' lynch On November 06 2012 07:54 thrawn2112 wrote: kush are you really not considering that a scum could just make up a inanimate object and claim vt with it? i really don't see why you are leaning so strongly on this unconfirmed flavor theory that scum can just manipulate by claiming well. like it's so hard for me to accept that you're playing the game based on that theroy that i'm starting to doubt the accuracy of my check It seems he has more to say about Kush than about the person he voted for. Moving on. He questions people when they vote for drazak. Even though before he claimed scum in the thread he was 'wary' of him On November 07 2012 09:17 thrawn2112 wrote: why did you change your mind on drazak? because he didn't respond by some arbitrary time? you said a lot of words during n1 about how acro is scum, and you specifically said that acro, prome, and kush are your top scumreads. to me your drazak vote looks like you're abandoning your scumreads to sheep onto the popular vote Chainsaw defense of drazak when release casts his vote for him On November 07 2012 09:54 thrawn2112 wrote: I'm having the same thoughts about release's drazak vote that I had about release's early game suspicions of kush: they aren't true town suspicious. I don't buy release's drazak vote at all. On top of that, he's only gotten worse about looking inherently guilty since the last time I mentioned him. ##Vote: Release More wishy washiness over drazak I'll bold the wishy-washy part On November 08 2012 01:17 thrawn2112 wrote: With drazak, I agree with a lot of the stuff already talked about.. specifically the voting from D2. So I could still lynch him depending on how the rest of D3 goes. However the drazak bandwagon seemed like maybe almost too much of a natural progression in the thread, and afterwards everyone agreed about drazak and activity was low ever since. So I'm just looking at different stuff in the meantime while waiting for drazak to post I can't rule prom out. but a lot of that is based on me basically assuming you're town (stuff from prplhz during the early mason claims.) but other than that, I haven't had any huge concerns about prom's play, except that it felt too clean, too intentionally pro-town. I'm curious if anyone thinks that release shouldn't be lynched. After the mood of the thread was quite clearly heading towards a resounding Drazak lynch we finally get a firm position by thrawn on drazak After he had tried to lynch release for voting for this very player. After all the wishywashiness whenever he mentioned draz we get some solid standpoint. On November 08 2012 12:09 thrawn2112 wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: drazak I was going through drazak's filter and it made me put aside my suspicions of his lynch coming about too easily. There is one thing in particular I want to point out that I think makes a red drazak flip is extremely likely. Here's a series of posts starring drazak, prom, and everyone's favorite vt flavor theory. Prom asks drazak about his role, wondering if drazak is still sticking to his earlier vt flavor claim. Here's an exchange that comes immediately after that. The answer drazak gave is not a town answer. If you are town then your answer will something like "no wtf prom i'm still the same." Drazak says he'd never have changed his flavor because that would make him look scummy... yes scum drazak, that would make you look scummy. But if you're town then the reason you wouldn't change your claim would be because you are town and you didn't lie about your claim so you have no reason to change it. Of course he comes up with some reason of his own to lynch draz. But that is what scum love to do when bussing. Then finally after someone had taken his bait for a release lynch On November 09 2012 07:25 thrawn2112 wrote: Would you still be good with lynching release? I haven't completely decided yet He goes for it again. Even though his case on Draz was much stronger. On November 09 2012 07:55 Acrofales wrote:Anything other than Drazak is fucking nuts. He then get's blaste over this by every person in the thread. and rightly so and reluctantly switches back onto the most solid case he had made all game. On November 09 2012 07:58 thrawn2112 wrote: k fine ##unvote ##Vote drazak Ever since aside from a case on the serial killer Who was also scummy as fuck Thrawn has been laying REALLY low. Sliding by and has not really contributed anything. The weird thing is I didn't seriously consider the possibility of thrawn being scum beofre I went through his filter really thoroughly. But when I did there was A LOT to be found. If release flips town I think Thrawn is scum. Ok I am off to bed. I am sorry I didn't do more but that took quite a long time. I would like to hear what others think of the findings here. I'll be going through more filters in a similar fashion when I get up. | ||
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The fact that it was so strong makes it even more odd for him to flip off and try and vote release as soon as one other person (kush) finally bit. We were all like WTF?!?! at the time about derailing the drazak lynch and now in the context of that being thrawns only really solid contribution makes it all the more damning. I can empathise with the 'gut' town feeling of thrawn as I possess it my self. But whilst making the case and keeping an open mind I just couldn't wrap my head around thrawns play. especially in context with his other town games and even his SK game. What convinced me the most was the wishy-washyness around drazak and the distance which he kept between himself and both drazak and Hopeless. | ||
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On November 14 2012 10:16 Promethelax wrote: I hadn't considered that, thanks DP. Switching off of Draz when I have been beating myself up for not noticing that scum slip seems pretty off. How do you feel about Thrawn's check on Kush. What does it tell you about both of them? There was actually some things I wrote about it in my case originally but I removed a fair amount of it. I will see if I can find it. There is no name in the breadcrumb so it would be able to be altered to whoever he fuck he pleased which is a big problem. Breadcrumbs are almost useless without a name of your check.jail because then you cannot be held accountable if things change. If he had bread-crumbed Risk say with a green check then he would have been fucked. but if you leave no name then you can alter things when you eventually do claim and you have more info. As it stands he was pretty wishy washy on kush but then in the night decides h is scum and then claims 1-shot cop first thing. Which makes sense if he was town. So meh. I don;t think it says too much unless there are 4 scum. then kush and thrawn is looking super good. But I am unsure how likely that is. The one odd thing I found about his claim On November 06 2012 07:54 thrawn2112 wrote: kush are you really not considering that a scum could just make up a inanimate object and claim vt with it? i really don't see why you are leaning so strongly on this unconfirmed flavor theory that scum can just manipulate by claiming well. like it's so hard for me to accept that you're playing the game based on that theroy that i'm starting to doubt the accuracy of my check This is a really odd thing to say. It makes me feel as if thrawn was concerned he had fake claimed on the serial killer as kush increasingly seemed to be a candidate for such a role. | ||
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On November 14 2012 11:42 kushm4sta wrote: Trust those who seek the truth, but doubt those who say they have found it. - hot chick from Dexter You are scum makes a lot of things make sense about this game. The pieces of the puzzle started to fall in place as soon as I considered it. What had me so convinced you were town is how you claimed I was green. This is like the ultimate buddying, and it worked quite well on me. But the thing is you KNEW I was VT, so there was no risk in calling me vt. He didn't even need to know you were VT. He just had to know you weren't SK which was pretty clear if from your flavour theory if he knows you are not scum. | ||
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On November 14 2012 12:31 Promethelax wrote: Scummy lurking thrawn. Very scummy. I haven't trusted you since your fucking claim and I sure don't trust you now. You lurked for an entire day and I know you said you were high the whole time but man, when i get high I at least check the thread and see what is happening. You haven't done shit. You are too content with a lynch on a guy you keep professing is town. I think you set up a great gambit where you end up in LYLO with a kush who you have a 'green check' on and force a lynch on literally any other player left in the game. DP: I'd like your input on this. You can JK Thrawn tonight and there will be no NK. (Mafia can't confirm that Thrawn is town, they can't afford that here in endgame). Do you think it is worth Lynching release today and RB'ing Thrawn tonight? Since you can't RB Release again tonight it might make sense. Other option is we lynch thrawn, you JK me, you die and Me, Fuba Kush and Release move together into MYLO. Which makes more sense to you? Well I would like you alive in LYLO certainly to whip people into shape and not let any shenanigans take place. SO maybe the third option? I haven't thought about it too much to be honest. | ||
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On November 14 2012 12:48 thrawn2112 wrote: asshole = person lying saying they think i'm town = scum Scumslip. | ||
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On November 14 2012 13:14 Promethelax wrote: Actually based on an assumption, often medics cannot target the same individual on consecutive nights. Since DP JK's me N1, You N2 and Me N3 I assumed that was the case for him too. DP: is that assumption true for your role? Not that I know of. | ||
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On November 14 2012 13:21 Promethelax wrote: Why have you not asked already? I would have gotten clarification on how my role works as soon as I saw my PM. Fuba, please tell me what you role PM says about Jailing people on consecutive nights. I assume they come from the same overarching PM and I would like clarification from you. It never came up. I am not one of those people who really PM the mods over every little thing. I guess some people do though. | ||
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On November 14 2012 13:14 Promethelax wrote: Actually based on an assumption, often medics cannot target the same individual on consecutive nights. Since DP JK's me N1, You N2 and Me N3 I assumed that was the case for him too. DP: is that assumption true for your role? This is usually to weaken follow the cop strategies. Jailkeeper is designed to weaken those same strats so I am guessing it doesn't hold true. Let's just assume I can jail release again until I here differently. | ||
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On November 14 2012 14:10 thrawn2112 wrote: ok well you still need to make one. i shall be looking closely at all the things each of you has said about me recently. fail to say something and you are failing to do your job if you're town. What are you talking about? | ||
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On November 14 2012 14:26 thrawn2112 wrote: look at kush's recent vote for me... came from absolutely nowhere. now he's telling me that he's not gonna tell me why he thinks i'm scum and i was telling him why he should He also said I was scum if release wasn't yesterday and then refused to write a case on me. Do you think this makes him scum? If so write a case. No point in complaining about something you are unlikely to change. | ||
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3 am. I am drunk and the other thread hates me. FU thrawn. you baddie. jks. I <3 you even if you are scum. God damnit I can't hit the period button properly or the fucking comma button FML. GN folks. | ||
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On November 15 2012 08:38 Promethelax wrote: well fuck, sorry Thrawn. My fault. Now, DP I'd like you to wifom the scum tonight in fact I'd like you to randomly generate a number 1-3 and RB kush for 1, Release for 2 and Fuba for three. This should make it impossible for scum to hold their shot to force a lynch on release. Scum needs to be able to maybe hit town. Make sure to tell us who you are Rbing in the one hour night action delay period. I think I will do that. Or won't I? Maybe I will jail release. Maybe FuBA. who knows? | ||
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On November 15 2012 08:46 Promethelax wrote: Just make sure to let us know during the no night action period. Of course. | ||
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On November 15 2012 08:48 Promethelax wrote: wonderful. I blame you for not playing the game and not thinking. Now think some and get some thoughts in the thread. How doe people feel about Kush now that we know that the green check on him came from a town aligned cop? He is confirmed town unless there are two godfathers. Which is unlikely. SO my read of the day is Useless townie. | ||
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*Salty voice* He be a hard task master. But a fair one, our cap'n. | ||
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On November 15 2012 09:40 Promethelax wrote: Other case monkey, case me a case or read me a read. Scum list? Release. We should have lynched him yesterday. He was supposed to be dumping reads to give us info not to get out of his lynch. But it seems that that was his motive because he sure shut up once we switched to thrawn. So was his motive to help town by giving us as much info as possible before he died or was it to not die? There is an outside chance of FUBA being scum. I mean it is possible but release matches up with the night kills too well. If Kp were withheld to frame release he is scum. But there is no way to tell and he is matching up with his town meta decently. Kush and you are town IMO. Kush is a lazy townie but still townie. | ||
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On November 15 2012 11:47 Promethelax wrote: A short play in red, black and green, directed by Promethelax; starring Drazak This makes me pretty sure DP is town. No Scummer gives their two buddies as their top reads (matt withstanding) because you need to be able to jump on a counter wagon and having a pre recorded reason to do so is mmm-mm tasty. What conclusions do you draw from that out of interest? | ||
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On November 15 2012 11:55 Release wrote: remember that post made by fuba about my case = null but I'm still scum(last part implied and clarified later)? Thrawn jumped on that way too hard, without giving fuba a chance to clarify. So how does thrawns flip do to your read on Fuba? Who is the last scum if you are town? To be honest this is all shit you should be doing on your own if you were town. | ||
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On November 15 2012 12:01 Promethelax wrote: DP. In all honesty I am the confirmed town. I don't want to give my opinions. It is too easy for everyone to sheep me and we get Thrawn up there swinging because I think he looks scummy. I collected those quotes so that others could have a look at them. The one thing I think is that what Draz said makes you look quite townie. I also wonder why both Hope and Draz call Kush a derp but don't do a damned thing about it. well I didn't exactly sheep you on thrawn but I see what you mean. For what it is worth I think Kush looks scummy as shit from the things you posted. But I have a hard time wrapping my head around scum kush. He has a confirmed green check. The only way he could be scum is if there were 2 godfathers in a set-up with a one shot cop. I doesn't seem very likely. Also as the confirmed town your reads are the only ones that can be completely trusted. It is almost certainly going to be up to you to lead whoever is town through MYLO. So be prepared for that. | ||
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On November 15 2012 12:09 Release wrote: Why are you holding me accountable and not Kush? Fuba is still full of excuses. The post to which thrawn responded is an excuse for not having any opinions. But right now, I am absolutely feeling that Kush is the most likely scum. He was so adamant about doing nothing during the day and sheeping whenever possible. And doing nothing after the vote switched. Silencing discussion. I have tried getting kush to make a case on me. Then we tried getting him to make a case on Thrawn. He doesn't give a shit. By all rights he should have been lynched. But he has a green check with a flipped SK and GF that is the only thing that is saving him. Is it fair? no. But that's life sometimes. | ||
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On November 15 2012 12:27 Promethelax wrote: 'sup bro. Everybody loves talking to me. Kush is trolly as a mother fuck though. DP, your meta read on Kush. How do you feel about it? Fuba: cooooooooome baaaaaaaaaack. Kush's meta is tiresome. He used to have these clear emotional responses to being called scum that would make his alignment super obvious. I haven't seen that at all this game which originally gave me a town read on kush before he was checked. However I have been unable to rationalise Kush's behaviour with a townie mind set this game. This is of course a common occurrence with kush though. I think it is very plausible he has altered his obvious tells in his scum meta. They are not present this game. I would really like to see another scum kush game to get an update on his scum meta. If he is scum this game His old meta has been shattered to pieces. However as I have said before I don't think he is scum due to the green check. | ||
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On November 15 2012 12:38 Promethelax wrote: So you think which of Release or Fuba is the last scum? Also totally sure there were only three scum by the way. Hope says 3 and Draz says 2 or 4 To be honest I was sure it was release. But Fuba has fucked off which worries me. They both sheeped pretty hard on the thrawn lynch IMO. I want them both to put in a big effort before I make a decision. I really don't want to be wrong about one and lose to the other. That being said. I am leaning release. | ||
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On November 15 2012 12:42 Promethelax wrote: I know you are reading Mario since you are playing it. When Marv said that any set up with more than three blues has a scum RB what did you think of in terms of this game? That scum have a roleblocker. | ||
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On November 15 2012 12:45 Promethelax wrote: You misunderstand. Scum should have an RB in this set up. No question. So where is it hiding? Fuba or DP? Or someone who didn't claim the ability to use a RB power. All of these options are plausible. | ||
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On November 15 2012 12:50 Promethelax wrote: So why do you think that Rb was held every night? Or did it overlap with town RBs? or did you use the scum RB to claim JK? There is an accounted for roleblock on acro night one. He could have been jailed or he could have been roleblocked. with this many roleblocks they could have certainly over lapped. Fuba could have used his to to fake claim. as could I, from your perspective. after the mass claim roleblocks could certainly have been held back. If there had been an additional roleblocker from that point onwards it confirms both Fuba and myself. I don't imagine that is an inviting prospect for scum. It could have been an unhappy accident that scum chose to capitalise on or Fuba could have fake claimed. | ||
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On November 15 2012 12:50 Promethelax wrote: So why do you think that Rb was held every night? Or did it overlap with town RBs? or did you use the scum RB to claim JK? By the way you realise that me fake claiming JK is ridiculous Right? I would have had to bus both my scum buddies. Then try and solo the game with a serial killer in which if he ever killed one of my jails I would insta lose. | ||
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On November 15 2012 13:05 Promethelax wrote: I've made the choice that you are the least likely to flip scum and that if you are scum you deserve to win. That doesn't tell me who scum actually is though. I am really split on Release/Fuba | ||
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On November 16 2012 06:02 Promethelax wrote: good man, so at least the three of us are here. You ma and Fuba. Before one of us dies I'd like to talk about the use of a no-lynch. Do you guys think we should try to advance to 2-1 lylo or to decide things here and now? we're at 4-1 now. Assuming the NK goes through we're at 3-1. If it doesn't we should lynch, putting us at 2-1 being in lylo. If it does I think a no-lynch will serve us better. Thoughts? I don't think that's necessary. depending on the outcome of the night I think we will know who the scum is. I would like to finish this game up and concentrate on mario. That's just e though. | ||
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On November 16 2012 06:06 Promethelax wrote: I don't want to trow away a won game. The longer the game goes the worse it is for scum. OK. Think of it this way. If I die tonight. We no lynch and then you die. Are we in a better or worse position with everything being the same but without you there to guide the townies? I like a prom/fuba/kush/release chances better than kush/fuba/release. | ||
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On November 16 2012 06:10 Promethelax wrote: fair enough, since I am not going to be a lynch candidate ever. My problem is how quickly all three are to sheep me. Me no likey sheeps and they would have to do their own work without me. does workload even matter at this point? they are going to sheep someone. May as well have a confirmed town be there when the important decision is made. | ||
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Why Fuba over release? because if Fuba was withholding night kills to frame release then that will backfire spectacularly tonight when release is free to kill and there is no NK and in that situation FUBA is damned IMO. So this way there was no doubt. If I jailed release there would still be some doubt over intentionally with-holding NK's or whatever. | ||
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I doubt there are two godfathers therefore Kush is town. Prom is town. Night kill = lynch Release No night kill = Lynch fuba. | ||
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Happy birthday Kush. | ||
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On November 16 2012 10:20 mkfuba07 wrote: GG Prome, and thanks kush (also, happy birthday!). Roleblock confirmed. Anyone else think the nk was strange? Yes. I should have died. | ||
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On November 16 2012 10:38 Release wrote: 1) we have not been endgamed. There is 1 scum left. 2) The scum is DP. Kush is far too unlikely. If kush is the GF, he is my girlfriend, not the godfather. 3) i have been thinking about this all day and realized one thing "claiming JK is risky as fuck when an SK is still around" is not completely true. I'm sure "GAOL" could be manipulated to represent roleblocker and none of us would have realized "keeping". And this is why I didn't die. If I had been shot we would have had three confirmed townies and release. GG If prom dies we have two confirmed Townies Myself and release. And the first thing Release does is push his lynch onto me. I claimed before the SK died. Every night I would have told people my jail until I died. If the SK ever killed the townie as fuck players I was Jailing each night I would have lost. AFTER bussing my two scum buddies Immediately. Also your story about Gaol being manipulated into roleblocker and not Jail-keeper is just grasping at straws. | ||
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On November 16 2012 10:40 Release wrote: This guy has been saying Fuba/Release Fuba/Release Fuba/Release Fuba/Release so many times. He manipulates the night actions and his RB (claimed jail) will never die. You have been role-blocked/ jailed twice. Each has a corresponding Lack of KP. What you are saying is that I have witheld KP twice throughout the game all in order to mislynch you now? When if those KP had been used the game would already be over? That seems ridiculous. | ||
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On November 16 2012 10:48 Release wrote: first time I'll mention it but ... I'm town. You can't have been shot because we would have 4 townies and a happy "town won" post. Pissing contest commence! I am not going to get into this with you when you have no arguments and no case. I expect arguing with you until deadline while you desperately find the one mislynch you need is going to be tiresome. Oh well. So. The past few days when you should have been lynched. You were sure Thrawn, Then Fuba, then Thrawn then Kush then ME were scum. Seems like you didn't give a fuck about who you lynched as long as it wasn't you. You just wanted to get a mislynch on whoever you could. | ||
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On November 16 2012 10:49 Release wrote: and the SK thinks you Jailed whomever. He doesn't have reason to doubt your claim so he won't bother wasting his shot by shooting the JKed target. Logic. Logic. I only claim in the hour when Night actions haven't been altered. So there was no way the SK would know whom I was jailing. So if the serial killer ever shot the towniest looking player in the game I would insta lose. Seems Like a solid strat. | ||
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On November 16 2012 10:51 Release wrote: but isn't. Why am i alive when it is MYLO? my death should have been sealed yesterday, but you posted that excellent case on Thrawn intending to get him lynched and maintain my supposed scumminess into MYLO. Game is sealed for you in that case. I agree we should have lynched you yesterday. Happily we can lynch you today. IF you lynch me the game is sealed for your scummy self is it not? That's why you kept me alive. Because the only way you were getting a Kill off was if Fuba was jailed instead and in that case you have 3 confirmed townies and yourself. This is the only way you could play it. Props to you for seeing that I guess. | ||
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On November 16 2012 10:54 Release wrote: calculated risk. Prome is a good player ♥♥♥. needs somethiing special to beat him. I guess that Is why you kept me alive then. | ||
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On November 16 2012 10:59 Release wrote: Pissing contest continues... if you really believed that, you would not have voted for thrawn yesterday. I think you didn't recognize but Thrawn's death was the best thing (second only to your's) because it basically confirmed kush as town. Fuba is confirmed town now too. Me and you only. Did you read my case? It was very convincing. There was a lot to suggest thrawn was scum. Now he is dead you are the last candidate. And are bursting into a spree of before unseen activity now that you only need to mislynch me to win. It's not going to happen though. I am out of the thread for a bit with real life stuff. I am sure you will continue with this nonsense. Good luck to you. | ||
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On November 16 2012 11:10 Release wrote: but there was tons to suggest me. Your vote on thrawn and not on me is the scummiest thing in this game. "The night actions fit me perfectly" didn't they? They could also fit you. You didn't give a shit about night actions' fitting thrawn because he was not going to make it to MYLO. What about the three confirmed townies who also voted thrawn? And I was the one to make the case and yet I am scummy for it because it fits your agenda. | ||
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On November 16 2012 11:10 Release wrote: but there was tons to suggest me. Your vote on thrawn and not on me is the scummiest thing in this game. "The night actions fit me perfectly" didn't they? They could also fit you. You didn't give a shit about night actions' fitting thrawn because he was not going to make it to MYLO. You are saying that I manipulated things 3 cycles ago to frame you. What nonsense. | ||
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On November 16 2012 11:18 Release wrote: True nonsense. So what? Nothing i can do about confirmed townies I mean you are the guy who immediately votes me and discounts the potential benefits of a nolynch. You are the one who has all this time parochially focussed on me and fuba. One of us turns green ... BAM the other is dead. GG. Yes. You manipulated 3 cycles ago to frame me. Exactly there is nothing you can do about confirmed townies. What a revealing mindset killing prom was the only way you had any chance of winning this game. If we no lynch and I Jail you and then there is no Night kill? what then? we no lynch until you convince town to mislynch me? I am no longer going to speak with you. I am only playing towards your agenda. If any of the townies in this game want to talk that is fine. I am not going to listen to scum. | ||
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On November 16 2012 11:20 Release wrote: + Show Spoiler + Prome ♥♥♥ I love you ♥♥♥ that was supposed to be a What? scared you slipped? You totally did. | ||
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On November 16 2012 11:27 Release wrote: That is grasping at straws. It was a joke. If you don't get it.... Why would i correct myself and call more attention to it? Since you're not talking to me, i'll answer it. The cigar was a humorous "guess i'll have to be complacement with focusing on Darth" and the brick is "I can't even if i tried" Why aren't you talking to me? We'll communicate eventually, although through a middle man. That will clutter the thread no doubt. I will talk when there is something to talk about other than you going Here is a list of ridiculous reasons and me having to go through and point out why they are ridiculous. | ||
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On November 16 2012 11:34 Release wrote: to Fuba and Kush: My reasoning for a DP lynch is that there is no reason for me to be alive today, when we are at a MYLO What you are really saying is that it's all my fault that we lynched thrawn instead of you and the only reason you are blaming me and no one else is that everyone else is confirmed town. | ||
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On November 16 2012 12:00 Release wrote: That sums it up rather nicely. But no. After the case on thrawn, you really didn't push for a lynch on me anymore. Yes I was unsure if you or Fuba were the final scum but I was leaning on you. Then I found a way to be sure for certain. And here we are I have no doubt everyone else, like me, thought we should probably lynch you after thrawns flip. | ||
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On November 16 2012 12:55 kushm4sta wrote: it's not my birthday. I just put some random date in when I made my account. What do you think of releases sudden burst of activity and conviction Kush? | ||
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On November 16 2012 13:00 kushm4sta wrote: I do not get what you are saying here. ##vote DP Quick Release vote with me. If we get 2 votes on him first, we will have reached the critical amount first and have the advantage in a 2-2 tie. My decision isn't set in stone but I like to have power. Hmmmm on the one hand I really want to lynch DP. Even if he was town, lynching him would give me a certain satisfaction. On the other hand, if he flips town and I vote for him, everyone is going to yell at me. Also if I vote for release and then DP flips scum, I can laugh at prome, blame the loss on him, and talk about how smart I am for knowing about DP all along. Don't be a fucking idiot plz kush. Firstly for voting for me. Secondly because the lynch mechanics make it so that you need to have 3 votes to lynch. | ||
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On November 16 2012 13:08 kushm4sta wrote: k but if your are scum this game is 100% prome's fault ##unvote ##vote release ZZZ I am not scum. | ||
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On November 16 2012 13:16 Release wrote: Kush, you cannot be serious (lolol). So much points to DP. Think about this: why would scum hold KP one night then suddenly use it the next? We all agreed that the scum cannot afford to have a confirmed town (thanks prome) going into a mylo. But DP was far too impatient. With the other game that he is in, and his desperation to vote me, he immediately caved in and killed to frame me. He was too impatient. It takes 3 to kill btw so a 2-2 always ends in nolynch. WTF are you talking about? you were jailed twice and each time KP was lost. Then you were not jailed 3/4 townies are confirmed and you keep me alive as the only mislynch that is possible in this game. You are right. Why on earth would I have held back 2 kp to frame you if I would have won by now if I hadn't By god you are full of shit lol Like you are semi trolling as well. I don't even... | ||
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On November 16 2012 13:41 Release wrote: yeah you made sure of that yeah, but that could also apply equally to you. Yes you held back 2 kp, but you if you had used those, who knows how things would have turned out. DP = anti-town = scumbag Release = anti-undustedTunnel = dirtbag You'd rather play fun and games and chicken scratch dunk ferry drunk. WTF are you talking about? | ||
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Isn't It obvious?? it's Because you are confirmed scum | ||
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1 Your General behavior all game 2 Your behavior recently calling every non confirmed town scummy to save your own skin. And shutting up when it is saved. 3 you have been jailed twice and each time corresponds with missing KP. 4 everyone else is confirmed town based on game mechanics 5 even if that were not the case you would still be the scummiest player. | ||
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On November 16 2012 14:02 Release wrote: Wrong. I am scum because you are town. But you didn't say that. But I will. You are scum because I am town. Sigh that goes without saying. obviously. You are lying about being town. You are scum. It is incredibly obvious. Please just concede and stop wasting our time. | ||
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On November 16 2012 14:17 Release wrote: Kush, if you are indeed the second GodFather, you have won. Feel free to join our pissing contest. Fuba, feel free to do whatever. I recommend you join our pissing contest. Just concede for god's sake man. | ||
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On November 16 2012 14:37 Release wrote: DP lynched me instead of thrawn yesterday to ensure that we had a mislynch today. He mildly question why i dropped activity before the thrawn lynch but stuck to thrawn. As did everyone. Also please stop crapping up the thread. | ||
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On November 16 2012 14:45 Release wrote: Yeah, but they were sheeping you. And I'll crap up the thread until someone starts listening to me. They were sheeping prom. You fucking voted for thrawn with everyone else. Your case boils down to I am town so DP has to be scum. Don't pretend there is anything else. | ||
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On November 16 2012 23:54 kushm4sta wrote: Also DP why you are being a dick to release? He's just playing to his win condition. no need to get snippy mate Am I being a dick? I guess I am always like that. | ||
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On November 17 2012 08:50 Release wrote: You guys need to stop sheeping for one second. DP, Prome and Acro have had their fair share of being sheeped. I'll put this forward: Unvote, think for an hour, then revote. Why am i still alive during a MYLO when it is clear that I will almost certainly be lynched regardless of anything i or anyone else does? Why did Darth Punk actually vote for Thrawn when the agreement was to vote for me and hunt scum for the case that i flip green? It's a fucking brilliant plan. But i will not go down. You know I voted for thrawn when it didn't even matter right. I just consolidated. There were 4 votes on him by the time I swapped. I didn't even push thrawn that hard. It was meant to be in the unlikely event that you flipped green. The thing is then, as now, you came out all guns blazing putting in a large effort to find scum. It wasn't genuine however because you ceased to do so as soon as you were not going to get lynched any more. | ||
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On November 17 2012 09:11 Release wrote: I guess that just shows how unafraid of a lynch i was. Besides, you called that to attention back then, as you are now. Back then, you still didn't change your vote to me. (actually, you only mentioned it after the lynch to ensure no one would follow in your footsteps, or have a reason to vote for me). Whatever dude. 4 were voting you. You or thrawn were the final scum. why does it matter which order we lynched you in? It doesn't. But grats for trying. You are definitely giving a large effort, and not giving up in attempting to fulfill your wincon so props for that. I will nominate you for scum MVP postgame. | ||
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On November 18 2012 05:46 Release wrote: Congratulations DP. I'll try to make it here a few minutes before the deadline to grovel. I can't say that I'm looking forward to it. | ||
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On November 18 2012 07:53 Release wrote: A tribute to DP: You bussed your teammates as if they were trash I wish to get rid of you as I do, a pink-and-red rash Well. This is amusing I guess. | ||
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On November 18 2012 08:00 Release wrote: So you'll vote for yourself? ♥♥♥ No. I am not scum. You are. But you are being somewhat amusing so I guess that makes up for you wasting 2 days by not conceding. | ||
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On November 18 2012 09:30 iamperfection wrote: nobody likes scum winning their like evil and stuff scummers have feelings too | ||
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On November 18 2012 14:46 Mattchew wrote: but i think that post was after the deadline of atleast you submitting your kills :/ I think Hopeless was the one to really want to off matt. I was indifferent, based on my one game with him. Obviously it was a good choice though, so good job hopeless. | ||
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On November 19 2012 06:41 risk.nuke wrote: You should had realised DP was scum the very second he claimed Jailor and lynched him on the spot when he told you his protections. What a crock of shit. My claim was no less realistic than Fuba's or thrawns until later. They should have lynched release AND THEN lynched me. THAT was the correct play. | ||
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On November 19 2012 09:52 Promethelax wrote: TL was down at the lynch deadline on the day we lynched Thrawn, this was not just a problem for me (it was talked about in the Obs for Mario) not being able to do what I had planned at that time fucked me, and town over, as did the fact that I set up a play that could be ruined by two hours of TL downtime. Don't blame TL being down. It was a stupid gambit in the first place. You knew you were dealing with sheep. Why bother with their activity? Just let the sheep follow you, and if, as you say, you had me all figured out that is all you needed. | ||
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On November 19 2012 12:39 Keirathi wrote: There was a 1-shot JK, and a full JK (DD). For there to be another full JK, you would have to have 2 more D rolls (DDDD). That would make the full roll CBBDDDD (0 T's). In a 0 T setup, there isn't a SK. yeah, but even knowing that FUBA or thrawn could have been fake claiming also right? | ||
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On November 19 2012 15:20 Keirathi wrote: Yes, one of them could have been fake-claiming, but not BOTH of them. Once risk and thrawn were dead, setup speculation would have told the thread that you HAD to be scum following standard C9++ rules. But like I said, who knows what bugs does with 0 T's. Oh yea, that reminds me of something else I wanted to comment on: 2 godfathers. No. Never. If you ever start thinking that in a c9++ base mini, you're just wrong. Again, maybe the host could change something to allow it, but no way should that ever be your first thought, and I wouldn't even consider it without seeing empirical proof that its possible. SO only once fuba was confirmed town was I 100% fake claiming. Which is what I knew all along. The last day was always going to be the tricky one. It was the one in which I was confirmed scum. I just ahd to hope the town was useless on the final day and I could argue with whoever caught on. And it worked. All those people who are saying they knew I was scum as soon as I claimed are completely wrong. I was confirmed scum based on my fake claim due to set-up only on the final day. | ||
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On November 19 2012 17:44 sandroba wrote: That's true I thought there were 2 full RBs. Even so mafia needed a roleblocker and no one seemed to noticed it was missing. Yes they did. But there were numerous plausible explanations for them missing. Not likely, but plausible. | ||
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Like imagine if there as a competent scum team after that start. | ||
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On November 22 2012 05:52 wherebugsgo wrote: I'm going to be reading/posting analysis today since I'm finally done with school till Monday (yay). Also on the encryption stuff, I considered making it a "common-sense" rule that encryption is not allowed. It's a somewhat hazy thing but if you have a town that meticulously encrypts their roles, it highly punishes mafia, who are forced to fake something very early into the game. Now one could argue that it takes a skilled town to do this and all be on the same page but I'd disagree; it just takes one loud person and a bunch of sheep to potentially break the game through a method that severely punishes mafia for pretty much no consequence. Looking forward to it. | ||
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