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DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
November 09 2012 00:44 GMT
#1484
I'll be back just before the nightpost. I'll claim and then we can figure shit out.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
November 09 2012 00:46 GMT
#1485
I urge you all to shut up. Nothing we discuss now can't be discussed later when it won't give scum additional info on which to perfect their kills. so yeah. see ya all later.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
November 09 2012 02:18 GMT
#1496
On November 09 2012 11:03 Promethelax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2012 08:55 Release wrote:
I claimed VT. I'll claim VT again.

The purpose of the breadcrumb was to see whether i would be role blocked for wanting to vig kush. A side effect is that it drew RB away from other town (i was assuming that if i were RBed, it would be a mafia RB).


If you are town and that was your strat you suck. To make sure you got roleblocked you'd have to play totally differently all game long. Note how I played to look blue versus your 'scum trap' in fact claiming porky pig would have done more for this claim than your trap. I just don't see a town motivation for this play. SK though. (okay wild theorizing: he is actually Porky think of what Porky says "thats all folks" sounds like an SK to me, okay I'm done now).

Show nested quote +
On November 09 2012 09:46 DarthPunk wrote:
I urge you all to shut up. Nothing we discuss now can't be discussed later when it won't give scum additional info on which to perfect their kills. so yeah. see ya all later.

I urge you to participate in the night time we have a number of obvious and strong town players/roles and one of them will be killed tonight so we may as well have the most put into the thread before we go.

Good job guys. I'm liking all this though I don't like Risk as much as I was liking him. He likes to have input on things and he hasn't done anything this game. Kush, Release, Thrawn and Risk are the only ones not looking like good townies now.

I'm out for a while. Back later tonight.


I am going to participate. I am here reading the thread. I have a lot to say after nights actions are locked. I think that hour in which we can talk freely whilst nigh kills cannot be altered is really strong for town and I plan on using that advantage. There is no reason not to use solely that time period IMO. It is optimal play. You may disagree, as may acro. That is your prerogative. We can talk about it in the post game.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
November 09 2012 10:17 GMT
#1502
On November 09 2012 17:55 risk.nuke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2012 15:39 thrawn2112 wrote:
If I had to guess at an sk? idk, I haven't been thinking about setup stuff. The entire day of roleblocking speculation was extremely boring and I don't care about that part of the thread too much. Sk could probably be anyone I think is town. Once we have a smaller pool of players and more flips I think we'll have an easy job of sorting out what is going on with the night actions. If I had to guess... release maybe? (just because he claimed roleblock, and it would makes sense with how much guilt he's shown all game.) So... mafia if you aren't release, shoot release pls he's the sk i promise

/posting pants

I'll be gone all day. I'd just like to point it out there that most people play bulletproof SK which is why I never considered kush for it. However it would actually make sense for kush to pick investigation immune rather then bulletproof if he is aware of how others regard his play. Anyway I think key to finding the SK will be to look into the rb's night 2 because it's very likely the SK was roleblocked that night.


I find it interesting that as soon as a good deal of suspicion is levelled your way you suddenly are worried about whom the serial killer may be.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
November 09 2012 11:59 GMT
#1505
On November 09 2012 20:43 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2012 20:06 risk.nuke wrote:
On November 09 2012 19:17 DarthPunk wrote:
On November 09 2012 17:55 risk.nuke wrote:
On November 09 2012 15:39 thrawn2112 wrote:
If I had to guess at an sk? idk, I haven't been thinking about setup stuff. The entire day of roleblocking speculation was extremely boring and I don't care about that part of the thread too much. Sk could probably be anyone I think is town. Once we have a smaller pool of players and more flips I think we'll have an easy job of sorting out what is going on with the night actions. If I had to guess... release maybe? (just because he claimed roleblock, and it would makes sense with how much guilt he's shown all game.) So... mafia if you aren't release, shoot release pls he's the sk i promise

/posting pants

I'll be gone all day. I'd just like to point it out there that most people play bulletproof SK which is why I never considered kush for it. However it would actually make sense for kush to pick investigation immune rather then bulletproof if he is aware of how others regard his play. Anyway I think key to finding the SK will be to look into the rb's night 2 because it's very likely the SK was roleblocked that night.


I find it interesting that as soon as a good deal of suspicion is levelled your way you suddenly are worried about whom the serial killer may be.

I'm just telling town how to catch the SK if I die before I can post again. If you have a problem with my logic you're free to adress it. I'm not worried about getting lynched.

It's not your logic we're worried about.

Obsession with SK (and no mention of scum at night ever) because he's scum and fears the SK shot, but not the scum's.



Yeah. I was thinking something similar. The sudden speculation on the serial killer at this point seems off.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
November 09 2012 23:24 GMT
#1544
sorry. I slept in. catching up now.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
November 09 2012 23:30 GMT
#1548
ok. Caught up. I am going to claim. Not because it is a good idea. (It isn't) But because a mass claim is has already happened and is being pushed on to me now. I strongly feel that blues should claim when they feel it is best and not when the thread (and possibly mafia/3rd party) does.

All in all I am fairly frustrated that I am being forced to claim but I suppose it doesn't matter as much now as it would have earlier.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
November 09 2012 23:47 GMT
#1555

I am Pepe Le Pew the Jailer

Night one I jailed my strongest town read which was prom.

Here is my breadcrumb.

I crumbed my role name in case there was another jailer and we shared rolenames. Pepe Le pew = Skunk
The first letter of each word in the first paragraph spells Gaol which is the old english spelling of Jail. The first words of the first two sentences say keeping promethelax.

On November 04 2012 02:47 DarthPunk wrote:
So my flatmate decided to host a rager and they all got drunk as skunks...Great... As I have stayed up until 4am I have decided to try and pull an all nighter. Of course that means I need to post my promised night post before the deadline in case I fall asleep and become comatose in my tired state. Lucky for you guys I guess.

Keeping my promise, I looked through several filters. Promethelax continues to be a strong town read. I know that others disagree with my philosophy on replacements and giving them somewhat of a clean slate. However I feel that if prom keeps posting with the quantity and quality that he has been he should become very easy to read as the game develops even for his doubters. I definitely do not want Prom to die. Townie townie town town IMO.



Night two crumb follows the same pattern as the previous night.

On November 06 2012 22:05 DarthPunk wrote:
Goodnight everyone. At least near the end we got our shit together. Overall I think the we did well yesterday. Lynching the lurker paid off.

I think tomorrows lynch is pretty obvious. But I will be keeping an eye on kushm4sta also.


Night all!


I Jailed kush because he was my second highest scum read.

Tonight I jailed prom again because scum may have targeted him last night and may try again thinking there are no more jailers.

I left several hints that I was blue throughout the thread. I am very disappointed that you couldn't have left me be and used your brains. Oh well. Nothing I can do about that.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
November 09 2012 23:58 GMT
#1565
On November 10 2012 08:53 Acrofales wrote:
Ok. That throws all my logic overboard. There is funky shit going on.

2 full JKs and a 1-shot is:
JJJJ

Full RB and a 1-shot is:
RR

Full cop is:
C

That makes 0T, which gives:
Goon, RB, Godfather.

However, there is now a RB missing for this to work. There is also a surplus of KP.

WTF. This is weird.


Yes. I already looked all this up of course. Which is why I was more suspicious of kush and a framer than you were. Certainly there have been edits to the setup by WBG. There should not have been a one shot cop. For instance. Nor a SK.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
November 10 2012 00:02 GMT
#1570
On November 10 2012 08:57 thrawn2112 wrote:
or you. that was what I was saying earlier it just required a matched set of roleblockers and roleblockees for it to make sense.

are we really believing there are a million town roleblockers? town roleblocker is so easy to claim if you're a red roleblocker.


It does seem unbelievable. obviously not impossible though.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
November 10 2012 00:19 GMT
#1575
On November 10 2012 09:14 Acrofales wrote:
That's the problem I have. I cannot see this game being even remotely balanced without a scum roleblocker.

But DP's story seems to check out, although he could be scum riding on the wave of claimers: the medic part of the jailkeeper cannot be verified due to the way this game works and the RB is equally likely to have prevented a hit. So DP could be scum on an awesome bus of Drazak and then claiming town RB instead of scum RB.

I think all setup speculation is pretty much out the window right now. That leaves behaviour; and risk is still the scummiest.

Also, with DP claiming he RB'd Prom and Prom claiming RB'd, Prom cannot be SK (if SP was lying about being a roleblocker, then Kush wouldn't have been RB'd).


I did try telling you all without claiming.
There are too many blues in this game, You do not have all the information. etc Now I will die tomorrow night. So thanks I guess.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
November 10 2012 00:22 GMT
#1578
On November 10 2012 09:21 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2012 09:19 DarthPunk wrote:
On November 10 2012 09:14 Acrofales wrote:
That's the problem I have. I cannot see this game being even remotely balanced without a scum roleblocker.

But DP's story seems to check out, although he could be scum riding on the wave of claimers: the medic part of the jailkeeper cannot be verified due to the way this game works and the RB is equally likely to have prevented a hit. So DP could be scum on an awesome bus of Drazak and then claiming town RB instead of scum RB.

I think all setup speculation is pretty much out the window right now. That leaves behaviour; and risk is still the scummiest.

Also, with DP claiming he RB'd Prom and Prom claiming RB'd, Prom cannot be SK (if SP was lying about being a roleblocker, then Kush wouldn't have been RB'd).


I did try telling you all without claiming.
There are too many blues in this game, You do not have all the information. etc Now I will die tomorrow night. So thanks I guess.

Hey, don't blame me. I was against that shit. I just joined because people were making it impossible to play without claiming. People be derps, yo.


I am quite furious actually.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
November 10 2012 00:26 GMT
#1581
Do you think this game would be balanced with 3 goons+ godfather or 2 goons framer and godfather? because it seems obscenely town favoured even with a scum roleblocker or framer.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
November 10 2012 00:41 GMT
#1583
On November 10 2012 09:36 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2012 09:26 DarthPunk wrote:
Do you think this game would be balanced with 3 goons+ godfather or 2 goons framer and godfather? because it seems obscenely town favoured even with a scum roleblocker or framer.

I feel a 4man scumteam would be okay, but only without an SK. However, there were 2 kills on N1 and the OP says that scum KP is ALWAYS 1 and there are no scum KP roles there either.

Meaning someone is forgetting to claim vig and fakeclaiming vt instead (honestly, that would be the most retarded shit ever), or there is an SK. 4 scum, 1 SK and 8 town just doesn't seem right. 2 mislynches and some bad luck at night and scum wins. Assume SK and scum hit town at night: 8-4-1 becomes 5-4-1 becomes 2-4-1 and scum has won.
Let me put it differently: town would have to KNOW it's a roleblock/JK heavy game to make a setup like that fair. I would also hesitate to call it normal, because it's not balanced around scumhunting inasmuch as protecting townies at night.


certainly more volatile then. But not imba. Clearly by the presence of a oneshot cop and a SK this setup is not normal. I can't make sense of it so I am going to try and ignore it.

"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
November 10 2012 01:00 GMT
#1586
On November 10 2012 09:55 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2012 09:41 DarthPunk wrote:
On November 10 2012 09:36 Acrofales wrote:
On November 10 2012 09:26 DarthPunk wrote:
Do you think this game would be balanced with 3 goons+ godfather or 2 goons framer and godfather? because it seems obscenely town favoured even with a scum roleblocker or framer.

I feel a 4man scumteam would be okay, but only without an SK. However, there were 2 kills on N1 and the OP says that scum KP is ALWAYS 1 and there are no scum KP roles there either.

Meaning someone is forgetting to claim vig and fakeclaiming vt instead (honestly, that would be the most retarded shit ever), or there is an SK. 4 scum, 1 SK and 8 town just doesn't seem right. 2 mislynches and some bad luck at night and scum wins. Assume SK and scum hit town at night: 8-4-1 becomes 5-4-1 becomes 2-4-1 and scum has won.
Let me put it differently: town would have to KNOW it's a roleblock/JK heavy game to make a setup like that fair. I would also hesitate to call it normal, because it's not balanced around scumhunting inasmuch as protecting townies at night.


certainly more volatile then. But not imba. Clearly by the presence of a oneshot cop and a SK this setup is not normal. I can't make sense of it so I am going to try and ignore it.



[M][N] Acme Mini Mafia - 8/13 alive; due to end Nov 12 - Nov 18 (wherebugsgo is host; HiroPro is cohost)


That confirms serial killer and 3 scum then?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
November 10 2012 01:47 GMT
#1589
On November 10 2012 10:44 thrawn2112 wrote:
where is the sun? night will never end. i fear we've entered the twilight zone


LoL thrawn.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
November 10 2012 04:36 GMT
#1615
Do we know who Acro roleblocked. I tried to look for a breadcrumb in his filter and couldn't find anything. What we know from the night action is that one of scum/SK targeted prom OR Acro Roleblocked scum/serial killer.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
November 10 2012 04:42 GMT
#1617
On November 10 2012 13:38 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2012 13:36 DarthPunk wrote:
Do we know who Acro roleblocked. I tried to look for a breadcrumb in his filter and couldn't find anything. What we know from the night action is that one of scum/SK targeted prom OR Acro Roleblocked scum/serial killer.


I'm pretty sure he said he roleblocked risk


OK. Must have missed it. Well. That is odd. I'll need to think about things.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
November 10 2012 12:17 GMT
#1622
On November 10 2012 19:41 Promethelax wrote:
I was RB'd

GG Acro, it has been a pleasure playing with you. I'm glad to have my sneaking suspicions finally removed so I can trust all the things that you said.

If anyone else was roleblocked I want to hear about it.

My mind is all wonked out trying to work out the balance to this game 3/4of flipped townies are blue. There is an SK. There are three more claimed blues. We flipped a GF and a goon. Useless against a slew of Roleblockers.

DP: why were you so pissed about the massclaim? Weren't you going to claim today/last night during acction freeze time?

As far as I can tell lynching scum = lynching sk for us right now. Both have one kp and no connections with anyone else in the game. Unless four man scum team which is pants-on-head.

Risk: your head is certainly on the chopping block today. Who do you think should be under the axe instead of you and why?

Release: the hell are you doing? we're thirty seconds into the day and you have voted three times. Please build a case on Risk. A case. Not a statement.


I was no less pissed about the mass claim at that time I can assure you. The only reason I claimed is because I was pressured into it and even then I was tempted to just lie and claim VT. It was all the speculation that was clearly wrong based on knowledge of my role that finally swayed me to tell the truth.

Yeah. I would like to ask in post game about mass claims. But ours was a joke IMO.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
November 10 2012 12:21 GMT
#1623
For clarity. I was always pissed about the Mass claim. I thought it was a bad Idea and still do.
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