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On November 06 2012 08:29 drazak wrote: why would I ever change prom? that would make me insanely scummy
Because scum don't always keep their stories straight or you might be a blue role who had fake claimed. The more we know the better off we are.
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On November 06 2012 08:35 kushm4sta wrote: Fine maybe I'm not confirmed town, but I pretty close imo, unless I'm immune sk or my scumbuddies framed me.
Anyway I just flipped flopped and I hate this drazak lynch. I remembered thay I hated it as soon as I was reminded of his flavor.
You are dead to me.
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On November 06 2012 08:39 drazak wrote: I didn't see his post about being in a meeting, and then I did and didn't want to vote for him because that sucks. Apparently no seeing a post and then reacting to it is scummy now
details. Every thought you had about Hopeless. What did you hope to accomplish by switching off of him? A No-lynch or a me lynch?
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Just a heads up guys. I'm heading home in 20 mins (I'm at school right now) and my young lady wants me to do things with her and not ya'll. I'll be back tomorrow for some good stretches and I'll probably be one later tonight but we're having a romantic getting drunk event so no promises.
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On November 03 2012 06:48 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 06:41 Release wrote: 7 is the magic number so i ask someone who is tentatively voting muso to switch to promethelax. It isn't too hard to understand why. Please don't act braindead. Huh? Why do you want the vote to be easily manipulatable by scum? 8 is a good number. You are pretty much condoning last-minute shenanigans with this bullshit. Two people switch at the last second and claim they were doing what you wanted, but didn't see the other's switch. It's stupid. 8 is fine, 9 is better for consolidation.
Acro, this was what you said when the Muso lynch was getting near deadline and Release wanted to get off. Now that Kush and Draz did exactly what you said had to be scum motivated you have given Kush a free pass, why? Just because you didn't realize that framer was possible?
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On November 06 2012 08:45 mkfuba07 wrote:Have fun prome 
thanks, will do. Care to tell me what you feel about Kush and Draz now? You haven't commented on anything except the possibility of Framer/check immune SK since this flip.
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On November 06 2012 08:47 kushm4sta wrote:draz don't worry I believe you and will defend you <3 + Show Spoiler +On November 06 2012 08:43 Promethelax wrote: Just a heads up guys. I'm heading home in 20 mins (I'm at school right now) and my young lady wants me to do things with her and not ya'll. I'll be back tomorrow for some good stretches and I'll probably be one later tonight but we're having a romantic getting drunk event so no promises.
I just love hearing about your awesome sex life
Things she wants to do: buy a bottle of wine, drink a bottle of wine, pass out. Just giving everyone in the thread a heads up as to where I'll be sorry I have a sex life mang.
More importantly why the hell do you believe Draz? What about what he said is believable? And why will you defend him, shouldn't he defend himself?
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Sorry for triple post: Acro could you link me to the site you are using to look up the set up information? I have some ideas I want to check. Thanks.
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what is the mafia KP? I couldn't find it in the opening post, thanks
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On November 06 2012 08:54 mkfuba07 wrote: I don't know why, but something about draz is making me think he's actually town. Doesn't it seem like a really stupid move to pull that shit after having your vote parked on him all day? Like, I feel like his plan as scum would have been to bus hope, so why would he pull that shit right around the deadline? It would have been his whole purpose behind voting hope in the first place? Does that make sense?
it seems like they (the scum team) were planning a soft bus so that no one would die but that draz unvoted a little too early. I've been wondering some wonders which are at least partially set-up based but would explain why they didn't want to lose a scum member.
On November 06 2012 08:58 mkfuba07 wrote: locked at 1
Positive? It says 'the kp' in the op but I can't find confirmation of that.
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On November 06 2012 09:01 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 08:54 mkfuba07 wrote: I don't know why, but something about draz is making me think he's actually town. Doesn't it seem like a really stupid move to pull that shit after having your vote parked on him all day? Like, I feel like his plan as scum would have been to bus hope, so why would he pull that shit right around the deadline? It would have been his whole purpose behind voting hope in the first place? Does that make sense? it seems like they (the scum team) were planning a soft bus so that no one would die but that draz unvoted a little too early. I've been wondering some wonders which are at least partially set-up based but would explain why they didn't want to lose a scum member. Positive? It says 'the kp' in the op but I can't find confirmation of that.
Oh. Never mind. Found it in the op, my bad. Took me three read throughs.
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On November 06 2012 09:38 Acrofales wrote: Kush's voting pattern actually makes him look more innocent. Dumber, but more innocent. He believed Hopeless1der's claim (goddamnit Kush, I hope you learned your lesson) and unvoted. Then Prom started yelling to get the hell back on Hopeless1der and Kush complied. He only moved his vote off again when the deal was already sealed.
Also, Risk didn't strictly hammer. He placed his vote on the guy who was already getting lynched: he consolidated and ensured last-minute shenanigans were impossible. Here's the history:
Hopeless sits at 5 votes: drazak, kushm4sta, Acrofales, mkfuba07, DarthPunk Pretty much simultaneously: kush unvotes and Prom votes. I believe Prom thought he was sealing the deal. Hopeless still at 5 votes: drazak, Acrofales, mkfuba07, DarthPunk, Promethelax Kushm4sta hammers (in non-bolded text), Hopeless is gonna get lynched. Thrawn also hammers, 7 votes on Hopeless. Drazak unvotes. In actual fact this unvote is COMPLETELY pointless. However, I doubt that he actually knew that at the time, given his behaviour.
After this, Risk votes and Drazak revotes. Finally Kush jumps off again.
Man, I love this train. Either that was a fucking professional bus by Prom and Thrawn or they are town. I am obviously town.
To some extent, I also like mkfuba in the deal, but less than Prom and Thrawn.
Imho the vote says nothing about DP or risk.
Drazak in particular looks like scum from this. Kush is just another layer on weird bullcrap in his already weird bullcrap play. The real problem is going to be finding the SK in this. Release is an option for not giving a flying fuck. However, everybody looking townie in this deal could also be an SK, because I think we already established that the SK should be playing with town today.
So, right after lynch you thought I looked scummy. Even when you knew exactly what my actions were. Now that you look back and notice that town think I am town for my play I look townie.
Remember after lynch when you saidOn November 06 2012 08:16 Acrofales wrote: HELL YEAH. Now how about we take a good look at Prom and Drazak, who REALLY didn't want that lynch to happen.
FUCK YEAH. Nailed that one. and
On November 06 2012 08:22 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 08:18 Promethelax wrote: ebwop: did I NOT hammer him? don't you lump me in with Draz who jumped a vote he had already made. I hammered the bastard and made sure people stayed on him. On the one hand, yes. On the other hand, it could be a last minute bus. Will have to take a closer look at that. Draz, however, is definitely looking terrible for that, roflol. you were pretty up in the air right after lynch.
Just walk me through your thought process before and after, why was I scummy at first and afterwards I was super duper pro-town as green as the claimed cop? Also your read of Kush looking more innocent for his voting. I don't get it, explain like I'm retarded. Thanks.
Kush: I know I already said you were dead to me but I'm feeling boozy and generous. Explain to me why you still find you flavour theory compelling after this lynch. + Show Spoiler +On November 06 2012 08:35 kushm4sta wrote: Fine maybe I'm not confirmed town, but I pretty close imo, unless I'm immune sk or my scumbuddies framed me.
Anyway I just flipped flopped and I hate this drazak lynch. I remembered thay I hated it as soon as I was reminded of his flavor.
On November 06 2012 08:47 kushm4sta wrote:draz don't worry I believe you and will defend you <3 + Show Spoiler +On November 06 2012 08:43 Promethelax wrote: Just a heads up guys. I'm heading home in 20 mins (I'm at school right now) and my young lady wants me to do things with her and not ya'll. I'll be back tomorrow for some good stretches and I'll probably be one later tonight but we're having a romantic getting drunk event so no promises.
I just love hearing about your awesome sex life Quoting to yell at you again, why the hell are you going to defend Draz? Did you read what I posted where Hope confirmed that scum had fake claims?
On November 06 2012 09:45 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 09:44 drazak wrote: tbh I just thought the dick comment was funny, and I hadn't read hope's post yet about returning, I missed some posts somehow, like a whole page I buy this ! Draz: which page did you miss? I know this seems trivial but I'm curious. and, remember this? On November 06 2012 06:39 drazak wrote:I don't want to vote for prom but I will if it means a lynch, I think he's town and anyone who thinks otherwise is probably scum  ( you really didn;t want to vote me but would to ensure a lynch. What you did instead was vote me to try to ensure a no-lynch. That is a 100% pure unadulterated contradiction. Explain fully your thought process. Also you went to bed at 10TL time that is somewhere between 6 and 9 in america. Do you really go to bed that early or were you thread jumping?
On November 06 2012 09:57 drazak wrote: I would have unvoted earlier if he had checked into the thread earlier.
Your unvote was 45 mintues after your last post. Don't feed us this bullshit. You'd been here.
On November 06 2012 09:46 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 09:38 Acrofales wrote: Kush's voting pattern actually makes him look more innocent. Dumber, but more innocent. He believed Hopeless1der's claim (goddamnit Kush, I hope you learned your lesson) and unvoted. Then Prom started yelling to get the hell back on Hopeless1der and Kush complied. He only moved his vote off again when the deal was already sealed.
Also, Risk didn't strictly hammer. He placed his vote on the guy who was already getting lynched: he consolidated and ensured last-minute shenanigans were impossible. Here's the history:
Hopeless sits at 5 votes: drazak, kushm4sta, Acrofales, mkfuba07, DarthPunk Pretty much simultaneously: kush unvotes and Prom votes. I believe Prom thought he was sealing the deal. Hopeless still at 5 votes: drazak, Acrofales, mkfuba07, DarthPunk, Promethelax Kushm4sta hammers (in non-bolded text), Hopeless is gonna get lynched. Thrawn also hammers, 7 votes on Hopeless. Drazak unvotes. In actual fact this unvote is COMPLETELY pointless. However, I doubt that he actually knew that at the time, given his behaviour.
After this, Risk votes and Drazak revotes. Finally Kush jumps off again.
Man, I love this train. Either that was a fucking professional bus by Prom and Thrawn or they are town. I am obviously town.
To some extent, I also like mkfuba in the deal, but less than Prom and Thrawn.
Imho the vote says nothing about DP or risk.
Drazak in particular looks like scum from this. Kush is just another layer on weird bullcrap in his already weird bullcrap play. The real problem is going to be finding the SK in this. Release is an option for not giving a flying fuck. However, everybody looking townie in this deal could also be an SK, because I think we already established that the SK should be playing with town today. I don't agree with your conclusions. I think the only person that gets any town cred from this lynch is prom for pushing the lynch onto others so hard. Thrawn and risk had to hammer because they were being called out on it by prom and would have looked terribad had they not sealed a lynch. Kush and draz both derailed things in their own special ways. Aside from prom MAYBE Mkfuba gets some cred for voting with the initial rush and helping create a scum lynch out of thin air. Maybe. All in all your analysis is poor IMO. I'm warming to you with everything that you post that is the same as what I think. I'm curious why Fuba is the one to gain town cred there though. Acro created this lynch target and I fought tooth an nail to get the hammer down. What the hell did Fuba do? Sheep a vote when no-lynch still looked like it was gonna happen? How does that make him town, hmm?
My own advice to blues:
JK(also take a look at the rb column): you know who to choose between. The guys who look really townie. We're in a decent spot right now so just get out here and do your best.
Cop: check someone you have a red read on. BC your check and save it, we're lynching Draz tomrrow whatever check you get on anyone so assuming you have more ability to check (not a 1 off) use it n3 and reveal as soon as d3 starts the results of both your checks.
SK/Vig knocking out scum is where it is at, Draz is a good choice. Even if he isn't scum (unlikely, I know) the thread will be more conducive to a scum hunt next day with him gone. SK, your best bet is to work with town, esspesially if you took check immune, get scum and you'll be fine.
RB (or JK if you want to go this way): RB Draz, we have a confirmed scum who may be an active power role (RB or Framer) don' let him use his role and don't let mafia use him for the kill because he would be too obvious to RB.
Mafia: you should consider using your kill on Draz, that will throw us into WIFOM and it will hurt town sooooooooooo much.
Acro: now that you have a town read on me (I think) what do you make of my RB claim. I think that matt probably saved his 1-shot and that mafia has a RB, thoughts?
Alright, I'm out again for a while. I'll be back well before dawn though, no worries.
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Release: is that seriously all you have to say from those crazy last minute vote switches and pushes? That Draz looks null, Kush looks scummy (lololol because their play was at all different) and I loo% know Draz's alignment but think that having him killied so we don't have a whole day cycle where he is 100% going to get lynched is the most beneficial thing for town (see LC or, more recently WLIIA for a 100% scum lynch where no information is garnered because all the remaining players are voting the same way their first posts in the cycle and don't stop voting that way for the entire cycle).
Acro: Zealos RB'd you because he had a town read on me? Wat? Fair enough on reading me as not wanting this lynch to go through, it wasn't my first choice or even my second or third choice. I was also highly concerned that there was a huge vote swing with very little discussion after which everyone left the thread. You are right, I did think that I had sealed the lynch with my vote and, despite all my arguments about the lynch that was my plan all along, I was hoping I could convince Hopeless to try to get out of the lynch though and post reads which I knew he would not do if he was scum and knew I was going to hammer him 100% 'cause I'll be damned if we aren't going to lynch every day. I wasn't really sure of his guilt though until everyone jumping off convinced me pretty well that we were on the right track. As to RB advice, that was what I was saying. I don't want scum to be able to use Draz for the kill just because they think he is too obvious a RB target.
Kush: It was a lurker lynch, we lynched the scummiest lurker the guy who was skating by and not giving anything to town. The lurker with the scum mind set. Now, be a good boy and read my last post before this one and the one before that one which had some direct questions and points for you. Please respond in full, play the game, that is all I want from you. Do you see the scummy contradiction in Draz's voting and his posts? Because it is very clear.
Draz: you still need to respond to my last post as well. Nothing more to say to you until you manage to respond.
Fuba: you just popped in, given your slow reading I assume you are in the thread still. Last time you said anything you mentioned you had a town read on our boy Draz, can you expand on that and tell me if that is still the case. Thanks.
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Oop, never mind. Copy/pasted the post and not the coding. Sorry. He wasn't lying that was the whole case.
Draz: you remember how yo would have unvoted earlier if you'd been in the thread? You remember your post 45 minutes before your unvote? Okay wonderful. Now explain to me how those two ideas mesh. You remember when you did not at all want to vote me except if it was to ensure a lynch? Do you remember trying to derail a lynch by voting me? Wonderful, now explain in full your thoughts which lead to that. Do you remember 'going to bed' sometime between 6 and 9 pm last night? hmmm...
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On November 07 2012 00:44 Release wrote:add the quotes and that stuff. This is a direct copy paste from word. I could even screeny.
yeah, no worries mang, I figured it out. I was just being dumb.
But since you are here could you tell me about your reaction to this lynch, where your vote would have been if you had been here, why it would have been there and who you find most scummy now (top three)
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On November 07 2012 00:47 drazak wrote: You mean the one about my penis already being htere? I thought it was funny and I didn't think he'd actually get lynched. Yeah, I went to bed at 9pm, I'd been up since 2am the previous day, sorry bro.
your thought process. Explain it. Take me inception levels of deep into your mind.
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On November 07 2012 00:49 drazak wrote: uhm, I like funny dirty jokes, I thought it was a funny dirt joke, so I said something.
No. Not about why you made a comment about putting your penis in your mouth. I don't give a shit how into auto filatio you are.
Why did you not make your opinion that Hope should not be lynched clear to the thread earlier than FOUR minutes before deadline? Why did you switch off of him to a player who you said earlier was so town that everyone voting him was probably scum?
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On November 07 2012 00:55 drazak wrote: what. there was no penis in mouth joke. what are you smoking.
I made it clear when I fucking put the vote on him, it was to pressure him into active because he was lurking like a bitch and gettinga way with it, I was the first one to call him on lurking.
The idiom which was used was 'put your penis where your vote is' it is derived from the coming saying 'put your money where your mouth is' extrapolate as you will.
Yes, you put a pressure vote on him and left it there for 48 hours. Four minutes before deadline you removed that vote and placed it on a town read of yours. Why?
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