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On November 14 2012 11:32 thrawn2112 wrote: i think I want to lynch mkfuba. Every point in this game where I've thought about lynching release, I always hit a roadblock because he is extremely open with his thought process and it's be really difficult to keep that up as scum This is en extremely wish washy post... all I really get from it is that you think release might be a null read. I'm really doubting the high number of blues we have, and on top of what I've already said before about fuba, his claim is the hardest to accept. He only claimed a role that makes him responsible for 1 roleblock, and there could be any number of reasons why a scum fuba would have known that it would be a safe claim to make. The breadcrumb was basically non existent. Also, wtf kush I thought you thought I was town all game long... this is how easily you're willing to switch your vote? I see nothing wrong with my post. It explains my reasoning. His cases had little impact on my thoughts of him. How is my claim the hardest to accept? My claim leaves an indication that something has happened. I said I jailed prome, and prome was roleblocked and didn't die, which I maintain was a likelihood N2. This is supported by the fact that there were 0 deaths. Your claim is impossible to verify at all. You crumbed a role that you could fakeclaim as scum with no possible downside unless you claim the bulletproof sk is town, and which leaves no evidence that anyone did anything. If I was scum roleblocker, why would I claim 1-shot jailer? It doesn't make any sense. Yours is the easiest fakeclaim. You say there could be any number of reasons for scum me to know what the SK was doing N2? Please name one. And breadcrumbs are non-indicative of alignment. Anyone can crumb anything. If I was scum planning on fakeclaiming, I'm pretty sure I'd be MORE likely to have a well-written crumb. Anyway, I trust prome, and I trust DP. If the scum wasn't release, it would have to be thrawn. I'm up for a lynch on either. The order is irrelevant to me. ##Unvote ##Vote thrawn2112 This may be slightly motivated by a need to be right when I called thrawn scum N2. | ||
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On November 14 2012 11:31 kushm4sta wrote: One thing I don't like about thrawn scum though...why would Elmer Fudd (drazak) and Bugs Bunny (thrawn) be on the same team?! Perhaps that's why WBG said the game was unbreakable through flavor :O | ||
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I'm leaving his night actions up to DP because planning it in the thread is kinda silly, and I have no control over it anyway. | ||
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@kush: my problem with DP being scum, aside from what would be a really good bus, is that he would have been crumbing jailkeeper since D1. Isn't it risky to claim jailer when you're actually roleblocker and there's an SK in the game? Maybe if you can find a second set of crumbs entirely for roleblocker alone, I'd consider it. Actually, if you found another set entirely then I'd vote for DP immediately. But I doubt it will be there. I'm going to get some sleep now... I should be up with more than enough time to go through release's filter and get something written up. I probably won't write anything on kush unless something really jumps out at me. | ||
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1) An elaborate bus and risky fakeclaim from DP 2) kush happening to be given a second godfather role and thrawn happening to check him with the single cop check in the game 3) Release is scum TL;DR for Prome <3: Release is scum. He was saved D1 by Muso's unfortunate gambit as well as Hope's intervention. His thoughts regarding drazak during N2 and D3 don't make much sense. He has been overstating the scumminess of peoples' actions for the entire game to make it look as though he's scumhunting, a fact that was noticed by at least 3 confirmed townies as well as DP (who I consider pretty confirmed town). His fake vig claim is weird as town, and I can see more scummy motivation for it. He showed signs of setting up a mislynch and succeeded. So here is my case against Release. Since I have trouble deciding what's scummy and what's just bad play, I'll be adding in bits from other townies that I agree with. From Mattchew: Release comes in to the thread with this post and edit Sounds very similar to this:On November 01 2012 09:00 Release wrote: to everyone: Are we asking Millers or Masons to claim? prplhz (the origin of the idea) said millers and now kushmasta has asked for masons to claim (although he does avoid saying mason). I have to say already that kshmasta is looking scummy. Since i don't see the advantage of a miller claim, i'd like to know why a miller should claim (from both prplhz and hope in particular). I'd also like to hear from kushmasta why you avoided saying mason. On November 01 2012 09:01 Release wrote: EBWOP: those are three separate ideas, although kushmasta is looking scummy for both trying to change who should claim and being deceitful about it. He accuses kushmasta of... honestly i dont know... especially after he asks about the discussion being about masons or millers. Kush misread the thread / roles being discussed and thought millers = masons... calling him scum for this is the biggest stretch i have seen in a while. there is no way anyone with any level of reading comprehension would draw these conclusions from kush's posting and reading the thread around it release is trying to look like he is scum hunting by skewing kush's words from the thread. On November 14 2012 11:24 thrawn2112 wrote: Acro also attests to the fact that Release is overstating the scumminess of peoples' actions. And DP picked up on the same exact thing. We now know that 4 confirmed (or as confirmed as can be) townies saw the scumminess in Release's case against kush. When I read Release's posts about me, I felt like most of what I've said could be actual town misinterpretations. Prome did it earlier, and we know he's confirmed town. I don't feel like I play the best townie game of mafia ever XD But the fact that three flipped town players (and DP) believe that he's painting townies in a scummy light to appear to be scumhunting, and the fact that until I disappeared last night both prome and DP seemed to be seeing me as town, makes me think otherwise.I didn't like the tone of his cases. It looked like he was just going through filters pointing out anything that could be interpreted as scummy and he wasn't really clear about exactly how scummy he thought either of his subjects were. kush if you remember, it looks like the cases jacob was making at the end of that newbie when you two were scum. They aren't actual cases, just lists of things that could be interpreted as scummy. Another interesting tidbit is that the post that allowed Release to back off of his mistaken kush case was posted by none other than Hopeless1der. It was also one of the posts that Acro pointed out as having a scummy mindset. On November 01 2012 10:49 Hopeless1der wrote: Acro, I just want to confirm that you think Kush derped (i.e. is probably town) and that Release might have derped but it was very scummy and you'd lean towards him being scum. Is that correct? I grudgingly agree that kush derps pretty consistently. On November 01 2012 11:59 Release wrote: It was also Hopeless1der who posted the case for Release's towniness, which for me, at least, was conducive to me being less suspicious of him. It, along with his case against Muso (which also distracted us from Release), were also hope's greatest contributions, which I think tells us something about Release.I would add subtly before convince, but yes. And thought. not think (see below). However, hope has attested to your derp, and that makes 2. I don't have any glaring suspicions to cast against hope so as of now, I will admit that my theory is probably too far-fetched to be the truth. 1st bold: I don't want a lynch-all-liars. 2nd bold: lynch-all-liars is retarded aka i don't want a lynch-all-liars. I agree with myself. However, i don't see how a game 4 months ago has much pertinence to me this game: I have played a grand total of 5 games (including this one) and my mind could have changed between those 4 months. Then, of course, there's the "I'm doing something scummy, but it's not scummy" post: On November 01 2012 11:20 Release wrote: I didn't find this scummy at the time, since I didn't see why scum would say they're doing something scummy while they're doing it. But it, along with the Muso debacle, did effectively distract town from what most people felt was a good scumhunt on Release. I'd probably still see this as a null tell if I wasn't looking at release being scum, but I'd have to admit that it did do exactly what he said it would.Do not use this post later to claim that i am shifting attention off myself. I acknowledge that I am under suspicion. So in the flurry of comment regarding the claiming, we seem to have dismissed the possibility of enacting a Lynch-all-liars policy. The main con i see if we do enact it is that we can't pull use fishing for reactions as freely. The main pro, however, is that people can't claim to be fishing for reactions. Another consequence is that more information is in the thread. Both town and mafia know more about true intentions and can react accordingly. Personally, i am against such a policy because people can very easily say "i changed my mind" and blame/vindication will tend to be imposed base on a town/scum flip. Next Release claims that a 1 for 1 trade would be good for scum, when any town would be happy to set up such a trade. This shows a non-townie mindset. Next is this series of posts in which he seems to be accusing Prome of being scum, but wants to make it clear that he's not subtly trying to trick us into voting Prome based on his choice of color: On November 03 2012 06:29 Release wrote: On November 03 2012 06:30 Release wrote: yeah, the red isn't meant to subtly mean scum, it's just a color. Please don't take it as propaganda/etc. Just my response in a different color. At this point thrawn picks up on the fact that Release seems to be feeling guilty, and that seems accurate. If he's trying to set up a lynch on Prome, why is he apologizing for making prome seem scummy? Next I see a series of cases on drazak as well as various now-confirmed townies. There are obvious reasons to lead mislynches as scum, and obvious reasons to bus your allies. One thing to point out is that after hope flips he drops drazak from his list of scumreads until he gives reasons for trying to voteswitch. Release thought drazak WAS scummy, then he did something that most of town found scummy and hopeless was lynched, then Release no longer found drazak scummy unless he couldn't give a reason for his last-minute voteswitch. Also in there, a possible scumslip: On November 07 2012 00:32 Release wrote: I cut it down because the rest of the post was pretty pointless to include. This is not how I would phrase this sentence as town. You can all decide for yourselves if you think you would.-snip- I don't see why we couldn't have a framer. -snip- When Acro calls him on his switch with drazak, Release admits to being wishy-washy. This is something that he's pointed out in my filter a few times, and something that I tend to not call someone else out on because I *am* wishy-washy as town. If he is wishy-washy himself, then why has he pointed it out as a scum trait in me? Next thing I come to is Acro's claim and Release's fake vig claim. First of all, scum at the point of Release's breadcrumb know that there's at least one more roleblocking role in the game. And they know that they don't have any of the roleblockers, and that it will look strange to town that we have so many blocking roles. So Release breadcrumbs that he's a vigi, gets roleblocked, says it was scum rb because of his breadcrumb, and gets a mislynch on whoever claims roleblocker. Unfortunately for him, no one found the breadcrumb, and we believed Acro over Release. On November 09 2012 09:27 Release wrote: This quote strikes me as odd because as town, I did feel more relieved that we'd found the godfather. It meant that kush was unlikely to be scum. Sure, the sk was still around, but this was new information that made our lives somewhat easier. This might have been my confirmation bias on my thrawn + kush theory, so I again leave it up to you to decide if you remember being more relieved when godfather flipped."Very much would I feel annoyed if the you were the reason we lost after finding the Godfather of all people." Doesn't strike you as an awkward sentence? Ofc i would feel annoyed. We all would. Who cares if we got the GF? He's scum. There's no point in mentioning the GF specifically. Then we get to the last few days, where he is alone and not interacting with a scumteam. His vote for risk makes sense, since to his eyes town was able to ourselves into a mislynch. Then we get to his cases on thrawn and I, which I've basically covered above. We talked ourselves into a mislynch and he went with it. He actually helped that one along by mentioning previously that if we roleblock him, scum could hold their kp to force a mislynch. Remember when he conveniently pointed back to that post after we all voted for him? Yeah. Release is scum, and we should lynch him tomorrow. | ||
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And what would be easily misinterpreted? You thought Prome was scum, did you not? Writing your response in red makes sense in that case. I can't say I would find you scummy for adding red to a response to scum. What I do find scummy is that you felt defensive about it before even being called out (which I doubt would have even happened). Any comment on why my wishy-washiness as well as kush's is scummy but yours isn't? | ||
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If there is no nk tonight, we'll be at 4-1 still. In that case I think I'd prefer to lynch Release. I do believe he will flip scum. If he doesn't, however, then I will personally know that kush is scum. DP and Prome may be skeptical, but I would know who it was. I guess that decision would come down to whether or not DP and Prome think kush or I is more townie. In this case, we would at least have two chances to lynch, as well as a roleblock for the upcoming night. If we no-lynch, then nothing changes. We just give scum another opportunity to nk. I'm not sure I like that idea. We could go on forever roleblocking randomly among the three of us and scum possibly holding their nks to trick us. Or constantly roleblock Release and have no nk and constantly wonder if he's scum or not. At this point, I feel like we have almost all of the information we're going to get on anyone unless a nk happens. If there is a nk, then DP is the likely NK target. It would be 3-1, with prome, kush, release, and myself. kush and I would likely agree on a release lynch. If that happened, and we were wrong, then it's down to me, kush, and prome. Scum would nk and win. If we don't lynch, then Prome is the next likely target, and it will come down to release, kush, and myself. Again, kush and I would likely agree on a release lynch. If we're right, we win, and if we're wrong we lose. I guess at the moment, in the case of us going to mylo, it comes down to Release is scum or we lose. All of these decisions may vary depending on the DP roleblock and if there's a nk. I can't say for sure what I will want to do until I have more facts. | ||
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Gotta head out to my meeting now. Hope I come back to a bunch of votes for Release instead of myself. | ||
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Roleblock confirmed. Anyone else think the nk was strange? | ||
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