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On November 06 2012 08:28 kushm4sta wrote: yesss draz claim!
@prome so I am your second lynch lol.... you realize that now that godfather died I'm like confirmrd town right
No you are not. Stop perpetuating misconceptions.
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On November 06 2012 08:27 Acrofales wrote: Actually, a framer is also possible. The mafiawiki site has no setup with a framer, yet framer is listed in the possible roles, so yes. Kush could have been framed. Given the suspicion he was under yesterday that is not a half-bad hypothesis either.
That's what I was saying. And it's what my money is on. however Draz claimed scum. So lynch him first.
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On November 06 2012 08:29 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 08:28 kushm4sta wrote: yesss draz claim!
@prome so I am your second lynch lol.... you realize that now that godfather died I'm like confirmrd town right Sk can be either bullet proof or night check immune, framer is a possible role. I'm sure you remember what a framer does, eh? LoL prom.
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On November 06 2012 08:35 kushm4sta wrote: Fine maybe I'm not confirmed town, but I pretty close imo, unless I'm immune sk or my scumbuddies framed me.
Anyway I just flipped flopped and I hate this drazak lynch. I remembered thay I hated it as soon as I was reminded of his flavor. He just won't stop. Urgh.
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On November 06 2012 08:37 Acrofales wrote:Trying to make sense of things: Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 07:11 drazak wrote: My penis has been there for awhile kush This is Drazak confirming that he is voting for Hopeless, however vulgar his affirmation is. This is 4! fucking minutes before he deadline: Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 07:56 drazak wrote: Fuck it, I don't think hope is mafia. Okay. Lets say we believe you for a second ##unvote ##vote prom
we need a lynch though [blue]What the hell is this then? How in the world did you think a Prom lynch had any hope of happening?[blue]
And then this: Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 07:58 drazak wrote: I'm scum because I'm not sure about a lurker lynch? k, whatever.
##unvote ##vote hopeless1der
you better hope he comes up red or else I'm cominga t you dp I can make no sense of this play. What in the world is this shit? Please explain yourself CAREFULLY and in DETAIL. Your explanation so far has been a defense of why you voted for him earlier. Not this bonkers play.
What is there to make sense of? He claimed scum. It was obvious as soon as he tried to switch to prom 4 minutes before deadline.
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On November 06 2012 08:39 drazak wrote: I didn't see his post about being in a meeting, and then I did and didn't want to vote for him because that sucks. Apparently no seeing a post and then reacting to it is scummy now Switching off your vote four minutes before deadline sure is.
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On November 06 2012 09:06 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 08:54 mkfuba07 wrote: I don't know why, but something about draz is making me think he's actually town. Doesn't it seem like a really stupid move to pull that shit after having your vote parked on him all day? Like, I feel like his plan as scum would have been to bus hope, so why would he pull that shit right around the deadline? It would have been his whole purpose behind voting hope in the first place? Does that make sense? That one's easy. Park your vote on your scumbuddy who isn't going to get lynched anyway... until "oh shit, he's getting lynched", panic and unvote.
This. A million times this.
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On November 06 2012 09:31 kushm4sta wrote: But drazak never pretended to want to lynch him. It was always a vote to pressure him out of afk. I don't see the scum motivation for taking your vote off like that. Scum would also not draw attention to themselves in quite so obvious a way. Any scum would have left their vote on hopeless, because it was pretty clear hopeless was going to be lynched anyway. As soon as all those people voted hopeless at once it was pretty clear that he was the lynch.
Except he posted that he was in full agreement with that dick comment and then Unvotes scum 4 MINUTES before deadline and derail a lynch.
My case on Drazak is not ridiculous and existed before day 2 even started. So it is hardly like I am pushing drazak after 1 person. (you) voted for me.
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On November 06 2012 09:38 Acrofales wrote: Kush's voting pattern actually makes him look more innocent. Dumber, but more innocent. He believed Hopeless1der's claim (goddamnit Kush, I hope you learned your lesson) and unvoted. Then Prom started yelling to get the hell back on Hopeless1der and Kush complied. He only moved his vote off again when the deal was already sealed.
Also, Risk didn't strictly hammer. He placed his vote on the guy who was already getting lynched: he consolidated and ensured last-minute shenanigans were impossible. Here's the history:
Hopeless sits at 5 votes: drazak, kushm4sta, Acrofales, mkfuba07, DarthPunk Pretty much simultaneously: kush unvotes and Prom votes. I believe Prom thought he was sealing the deal. Hopeless still at 5 votes: drazak, Acrofales, mkfuba07, DarthPunk, Promethelax Kushm4sta hammers (in non-bolded text), Hopeless is gonna get lynched. Thrawn also hammers, 7 votes on Hopeless. Drazak unvotes. In actual fact this unvote is COMPLETELY pointless. However, I doubt that he actually knew that at the time, given his behaviour.
After this, Risk votes and Drazak revotes. Finally Kush jumps off again.
Man, I love this train. Either that was a fucking professional bus by Prom and Thrawn or they are town. I am obviously town.
To some extent, I also like mkfuba in the deal, but less than Prom and Thrawn.
Imho the vote says nothing about DP or risk.
Drazak in particular looks like scum from this. Kush is just another layer on weird bullcrap in his already weird bullcrap play. The real problem is going to be finding the SK in this. Release is an option for not giving a flying fuck. However, everybody looking townie in this deal could also be an SK, because I think we already established that the SK should be playing with town today.
I don't agree with your conclusions. I think the only person that gets any town cred from this lynch is prom for pushing the lynch onto others so hard. Thrawn and risk had to hammer because they were being called out on it by prom and would have looked terribad had they not sealed a lynch. Kush and draz both derailed things in their own special ways. Aside from prom MAYBE Mkfuba gets some cred for voting with the initial rush and helping create a scum lynch out of thin air. Maybe.
All in all your analysis is poor IMO.
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On November 06 2012 09:43 kushm4sta wrote: People are going to say this is confirmation bias, but if you look for the golden moment when a scum would likely bus on the bandwagon timeline that acro layed out for us, it's right around dp.
What a load of shit.
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Drazak was fine with lynching Hopeless until Hopeless was actually going to get lynched. he was around before and could have unvoted earlier but didn't.
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On November 06 2012 09:48 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 09:43 kushm4sta wrote: People are going to say this is confirmation bias, but if you look for the golden moment when a scum would likely bus on the bandwagon timeline that acro layed out for us, it's right around dp. It's why I have DP as null from the vote. It was when the wagon was already rolling, but early enough to not look suspicious. However, town jumps on at that time too. You should just keep in mind that the mere fact of him being on the wagon does not mean he's town. It doesn't make him scum automatically either.
Well I agree with you here. I stated earlier that I was ok with lynching hopeless and when I saw people put their money where their mouth was I jumped on board.
I didn't know if he was scum or not. I was Lynching a lurker whom I much prefered to lynch over my town read who was the leading candidate at the time and whom is clearly town.
I don't see how you could see anything other than a null tell with the timing of my vote.
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On November 06 2012 09:48 drazak wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 09:46 Acrofales wrote:On November 06 2012 09:31 kushm4sta wrote: But drazak never pretended to want to lynch him. It was always a vote to pressure him out of afk. I don't see the scum motivation for taking your vote off like that. Scum would also not draw attention to themselves in quite so obvious a way. Any scum would have left their vote on hopeless, because it was pretty clear hopeless was going to be lynched anyway. As soon as all those people voted hopeless at once it was pretty clear that he was the lynch. Town doesn't have their vote on someone they don't want to kill 4 minutes before the deadline in a very contested race. You cannot tell me that Drazak had his vote there, but was just too careless to take it off in favour of someone he felt WAS scummy. His vote was there because he wanted to make it look like he wanted to kill Hopeless1der. Except when push came to shove he suddenly didn't want to kill Hopeless1der anymore. Scum doesn't act that stupid. Except they do. Risen pulled that crap in some game (look in the award thread). He was called too dumb to be scum and coasted by on that to an easy scum victory. However, town get last-second jitters too. My main problem is that Drazak is not explaining his thought process. A town voteswitch would be able to say what was their reasoning. Drazak has NOT explained how he went from "lynch", "wait whoops no, lets not" back to "yeah, lets lynch" in the space of 2 minutes. what, I explained my thought process, I don't think it's fair to lynch someone on a lurker lynch and then see a post about being in meetings or busy all day, I don't think that's a cool thing to do.
So you would rather lynch the person you had stated you had a town read on multiple times than lynch a lurker? And were so convinced that your town read was now scum that you were willing to risk a no-lynch in the confusion?
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On November 06 2012 09:58 drazak wrote: no, I'd rather kill someone other than the lurker, I didn't have much of a read on hope other than lurker, if I did I'd probably have been ok with lynching him and not unvoted.
And then you voted for your town read instead of said lurker.
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On November 06 2012 10:53 thrawn2112 wrote: acro, if we catch an sk what do we do with them? assume that catch = confirmed, just hypothetically There are potential situations where town can work with the SK if we are super behind. But Generally you lynch them unless you have a dead set scum lynch like we do currently.
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On November 06 2012 11:17 thrawn2112 wrote: the post said acro not darthpunk, oh well. guys please dont answer questions specifically directed at somebody else
It seemed to be a general kind of question. 0_o Sorry.
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On November 06 2012 15:10 Release wrote: If someone can give me a good reason to post my acro (case) thing now, I'll probably do so, but as of now, i don't see any particular reason for doing so.
I'll get the thing up tomorrow closer to the resolution period (7am PDT, not that much closer). Hold me accountable to these figures to prove that i have done it already: (from MS word) 6843 words 32068 characters (w/o spaces) 38628 characters (w/ spaces)
Probably best to hold essays like that back until the last hour of night. Looking forward to it.
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Goodnight everyone. At least near the end we got our shit together. Overall I think the we did well yesterday. Lynching the lurker paid off.
I think tomorrows lynch is pretty obvious. But I will be keeping an eye on kushm4sta also.
Night all!
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Sup guys. I need to catch up on the lengthier night posts still. I am voting drazak today because I am 99% sure he is scum based on the play that has been analysed by several of us here.
There are too many blues in this game also. So I feel as if this game does not conform to C9++ as much as we thought. Matt and Zealos were roleblocker and Jailer. Mkfuba claimed Jailer. Thrawn cop. plus another 1-2 jailer/roleblocker.
all in all 5 roleblocking roles in the game so far.
My top scum reads are drazak for claiming scum in the thread. And Kush if he isn't the SK.
I think one of release/ kush are the serial killer.
ok. I have an exam this evening so I need to study but I will be checking the thread in my breaks.
##Vote: Drazak
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Ugh. Do I really have to claim? It seems like it is a bad idea. But I am happy to if that is what you all want. To be honest a mass claim would have been better after the drazak lynch. Because no claim is going to make me want to not lynch drazak whom I am convinced is scum.
Anyway I will claim if you want.
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