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I'm in class, reading and responding when I have time. You've all made it quite clear by this point why his switching was scummy. Sometimes I need a bit of explanation. I'm back on the drazak wagon. | ||
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When I reconsidered draz, I found it strange that anyone who was scum, who had parked his vote on a scumbuddy for 48 hours, would switch off at such an incredibly suspicious time. At that point, I wouldn't consider doing that in my wildest dreams. Two things "reconvinced" me of his scumminess. First, my own realization that I probably wouldn't have done that as town either. It is not something that I would do as either alignment (I believe). Second, was everyone pointing out who he ended up switching his vote to. Draz had Prome as a kind of regrettable vote - he supposedly didn't want to vote for Prome unless there were no other options. Despite that, he unvotes hopeless and votes you. That is scummy. Oh, and everything I've said about him before XD | ||
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On November 04 2012 08:38 kushm4sta wrote: My flavor theory grows stronger... town- non character power roles- villain mafia/sk- hero (bugs bunny, jessica rabbit, road runner) Which of kush's "vt names" has flipped scum, again? | ||
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And SK, scum is probably going to kill you. Should probably kill them. It's for the best. | ||
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I am Tasmanian Devil - One shot Jailkeeper Apparently I decided to consolidate all of my posting for the game into a single post. Sorry about that. I think it's worth it though. A few issues with this: 1) The way the Jailkeeper spoiler in the OP is phrased, I misunderstood what Jailkeeper was capable of in this setup. I thought I was only capable of saving, not roleblocking. Yes, I know what a jailer is normally capable of, but coming out of LC mafia and after looking at the C9++ setup and not seeing a jailer but seeing a medic, I assumed I was basically the medic. Therefore, my mind jumped right to my role breadcrumb from LC mafia. It was my mistake, but I hope it doesn't ruin everything I'm about to say. 2) Since I only have one action for the game, I couldn't exactly mimic my crumb from LC ("I'm going to save austinmcc the trouble..."). All I had this game was this post where I say that "A vig would save us the worry." It was all I was able to come up with at the time (both due to time restrictions as well as creativity issues), and I figured that I would simply breadcrumb my action later and all would be well. Thinking about it now, there's little reason to believe this claim, but I am putting it out there because I can only use my ability once, and this will narrow down the scum field if I am able to convince you. 3) Apparently I say "save" more than I thought I did. That's the "breadcrumb" I used in LC to hint at my role, while the better crumbs were regarding who I actually checked. Essentially, my action crumbs have been more convincing than my role crumbs. As my only crumb at the moment is that I said "save" earlier (then later said it about three more times after a search of my own filter XD), my crumb is considerably weak. Some comments of mine that I believe lend credence to my claim: Any time I say kush's flavor theory is somewhat swaying me. D1 it was because I didn't have one of those non-character names. D2 it was because obviously my name is in line with Daffy Duck and Sylvester. The flaw that popped up later: Bugs Bunny, I will comment on later. My reason for not using my power during the first day: I am a one-shot jailkeeper, and I didn't want to waste two town abilities if I accidentally hit another blue role. I was also far more unsure of things than I am today. I think that today there will be more to gain from my action than if I had randomly selected someone yesterday. Why am I claiming now? Because my play has been pretty much abysmal, and I really don't want to get myself lynched tomorrow or shot by someone without having the opportunity to help town if I can with my host-given abilities. I also think that scum or sk may have gotten wind of some of the subtext in my posts and might be gunning for me tonight. And as I said before, if I am able to convince you of this then one more person is eliminated from the scumpool. After all of the writing I did below, everything I said above is pretty much irrelevant. I think I probably drew a vigi shot or possibly two in the last few hours, and am likely to die, but I think it was worth it. At the very least I possibly saved one of my townreads (Prome) and I believe I've given two great options for a lynch. | ||
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My current feelings on various players: Drazak Honestly, 'nuff said. I did doubt the scumminess of his actions around the lynch, but after reading through what others have said I am convinced at the very least that it is not a town tell. If you add that to how I previously felt about him, he still turns up scum. Crazy theory time, because it's falling together in my head just about perfectly. I feel like each of these players could be scum/sk on their own merits, but the way they're interacting is quite interesting. Much of this will be a scenario that I've constructed around a few particularly... odd facts about their interactions, but I maintain that both of these players should be lynched. I say it again, if you don't exactly buy into the case as a whole, analyze it for it's individual components and realize that they're both playing incredibly strangely. I have done my best to explain it, but not being scum or SK, I cannot possibly know everything. Kush + Thrawn Timeline kush has his flavor theory (I think this is the first mention of it) N2 Starts thrawn's breadcrumb kush's theory grows stronger kush's reads so far are based exclusively on his flavor theory thrawn claims Bugs Bunny thrawn asks if kush believes his claim A.K.A. "Kush, do you understand what's going on?" kush believes thrawn's claim A.K.A "Yes, I understand" Kush unvoting hopeless1der because of the flavor theory only now is the flavor theory wrong kush sk I don't feel like he's been playing to either of his metas (though I admittedly haven't heavily analyzed his meta because I find it to be a daunting task). People who have said that he is playing to his town meta (specifically drazak): Can you point out a game where he spent the majority of his posts analyzing the flavor text or some other aspect of the game that has nothing to do with someone's behaviour? His posts seem almost exclusively centered around bluefishing, which would be a good goal for a serial killer, as scum will target blues and not him. I'd also like to point out that Hopeless1der's flip doesn't in any way abolish his flavor theory. Scum flipped "hero", blues have flipped "villain", and townies are all so far (including his own personal input) still "non-characters". The only contradiction that I can see is thrawn's roleclaim, which conveniently aleviates kush of guilt for his play. After pursuing flavor-text based reads the entire game, why did he suddenly drop it only now that a scum has flipped to show that his protector has similar flavor? In fact, he used that exact name in his list of examples. He states that he trusts Thrawn's claim, even though it's in direct conflict with his great flavor theory (which he states at one point is the basis of all of his reads). Thrawn claims with one of the exact names he's mentioned as likely scummy, and kush believes it. Why? Thrawn is either scum or this breaks his theory. In addition, he doesn't admit that his theory's been broken until after a scum flips. He didn't know that hope would flip with "Road Runner", but he knows he can't keep pursuing the flavor theory when someone has flipped who would implicate his provider of innocence. This definitely makes me think SK over scum. thrawn is not playing how I expected him to play - I usually see him as a hapa-esque player, with a lot of posts and interaction with other players. He seems different this game. I can't remember having seen any of his scum games (or even if I've participated in any of them), but according to this post from the irc mafia thread, his scum meta is that of a lurker (I feel that despite having 3-4x the filter I do, he hasn't been as active as I expected coming in, and the quality of contributions feels lacking). That quote is straight from his own mouth, without any influence from being in a game at the time. There is also a list of games from the page before that post that you can read to see it for yourself. Yes, this is regarding IRC mafia and not forum mafia, but I think that distinction matters far more for someone like me than it would for someone like thrawn. I believe his difficulty stems from his ability to participate when he knows he's lying. I'm used to him appearing to have no trouble posting frequently and insightfully as town, and I don't feel like that would change much between IRC and forum. I kind of expected him to play like Acro or Prome have been. In addition, and personally more convincing, I find it highly possible that he fake-roleclaimed. There are a series of steps that need to be broken down. (in post 3) | ||
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1) The role. I believe 1-shot cop is the easiest and most useful fakeclaim according to the c9++ setup (which I know isn't definitely the setup used, but is the closest thing that anyone in the thread could base their setup speculation on). It allows you to make one check at some point without being held accountable for any future checks. It, along with vigi, doesn't require a full version of itself to be claimed (according to C9++), and a vigi fakeclaim doesn't allow you to manipulate the game. You can't missclaim with it either. If you are scum, you know everyone else is town (or have a way to test for an SK in certain cases - A.K.A. Kush) It also has the potential for finding the SK. More on that in a moment. 2) His breadcrumb. It's well written, that's for sure. The thing is, it's made during the night post, after scum could have selected their NK, and while the post is about kush, it doesn't breadcrumb kush. thrawn could use the same breadcrumb following nights to the same effect. On top of that, why didn't he just outright state that he was the 1-shot cop during the night (we get a free hour to do so)? He was going to claim the next day anyway. The way it's set up, he could refer to that crumb throughout the game, and say that he used his ability on any person in the game on any night. 3) The potential. Once scum know who the SK is, they can either waste another KP on them the next night (assuming they didn't outright kill him), or turn them over to town (either with legitimate arguments, or as one of them is about to be lynched). Both options are bad for the SK. If you're able to communicate to him that you know who he is, then you tell him that you know who he is, and you're basically in it together against town. It puts him in a position of knowing who one scum is, but being unable to do anything about it without losing the game for himself. This gains scum and SK a tentative alliance. The result is that scum don't have to worry about a SK NK on at least one person, the one communicating with him secretly in the thread. The SK gets to keep living, and possibly work his way into a position to win the game. A side effect is that if the SK is going to go under, he can take at least that one mafia with him in the event of a lynch. Conveniently, the green check both alerts the SK that scum know who he is, and also protects both him AND the scum from scrutiny for at least one day, if not more than that. You'll notice that thrawn asks if kush believes him. Kush responds that he believes him. The actions of both players seems strange at this point, do they not? 4) The timing. I've already mentioned how thrawn's breadcrumb came a bit late. What I haven't mentioned yet is how thrawn's claim itself came 18 hours into D2. I believe this is after everyone else commented in the thread, indicating that it's unlikely anyone else was going to roleclaim cop. If either of these things weren't the case, it would be far less suspicious. The fact that he crumbed during the night and claimed halfway through the next day (instead of earlier in the day or sometime during the night post) give me strong feelings that he was being more careful than he should have had to be with his claim. I can tell you that I thought hard over when I should best post this, and my conclusion was apparently the absolute opposite of thrawn's. All of these things make me feel as though his town read on Kush isn't legitimate. If thrawn flips scum, and I truly believe he will flip scum, then definitely doubt the hell out of kush. Or lynch him first. Whatever. | ||
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If there is a vigi here, claim asap. If there was a kill blocked, scum probably aimed for kush and didn't kill him, thus revealing him as SK. If there isn't a vigi, then bits of my connection conspiracy fall apart a bit, but each player's individual play is still weird as hell. The ways in which kush and thrawn have acted since I started asking questions further confirms my beliefs. Thrawn is going all wishy-washy over kush, saying he doesn't want a kush lynch, but oh wait, he might after all. Unfortunately, he can't vote for kush or kush will reveal that he's scum. And now kush is picking his flavor theory back up again, even though by this point it's basically useless (moreso than it was before). It's all he can hang on to. They're flopping around, gasping for air, and I think it's time to put them out of their misery. Everyone else Town to various degrees. I would be heavily against a prome, acro, or DP lynch. risk and release I am less confident of. I would still need a lot of convincing to vote for either of them over thrawn or kush. After writing all of this out, I feel pretty confident with what I've said. I think of kush, thrawn, and drazak, we will catch at least two scum/sk. Drazak is the one I'm now feeling the least sure about, if you can believe it. | ||
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