EPTtheir partners need to claim, they shouldn't claim their partners
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thrawn2112
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On November 02 2012 01:50 prplhz wrote: Mason buddy or die. (I don't get why people (thrawn2112) wants the buddy to out himself first, could you explain that?) If player x claims that player y is his mason buddy, and then player y says "no player x is lying" then we don't know if player x is scum and player y is town, or if player x and player y are both scum. i doubt that player x would be town, or that they'd both be town. if player x is scum and is claiming that scum player y is mason buddy, scum player y might think "oh no wtf i'm not getting involved in this" and try to distance himself from his scumbuddy by saying player x is lying. so i'd rather have the buddy speak on their own behalf, seems like it'd be harder to fake the claim that way. or to make it even better, they should really just make posts at the exact same time confirming each other as masons so screw all that, they should post at same time if they decide to claim | ||
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On November 02 2012 02:05 risk.nuke wrote: I don't get it. If they are scum they can still talk it over. And if they are not scum they are telling the truth. if muso is scum, judging by the way he claimed i doubt he talked anything over lol but regardless, all that was mostly pointless... masons should just claim at the same time so we can be fairly certain that they're at least sharing a qt, regardless of alignment | ||
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"Either way, he's pretty useless and possibly detrimental to us." scum voting tactics 101 | ||
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On November 01 2012 10:08 Acrofales wrote:Firstly, millers should claim, masons should not. There is currently NO reason to claim mason and it is an easy claim to make if you or your partner runs into trouble, or it's lylo. However, masons SHOULD make a very subtle breadcrumb (note the subtle, I don't even want to whiff it if it exists). Then notify your mason buddy about how it's done. If mafia/sk inadvertently offs one of the masons, the other one has some decent evidence to back his claim up. | ||
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On November 02 2012 09:37 Muso wrote: Okay. I take full responsibility for this situation. Admittedly, I didn't make any attempt to assess the experience levels of anybody here before I started this game, so this is undoubtedly my fault. However, I banked on Acro and his teammate figuring this out instead of coming out and counter-claiming me. Pretty much everybody in the game determined the following: 1. this is a suicide play as scum 2. it is extremely unlikely there were 2 mason teams, Unfortunately, the masons didn't make the next leap in the puzzle, and think outside the box to figure out WHY? Fair enough, I'm not blaming you. I am Kid Watching TV, aka a vanilla. The point of the gambit should be obvious now. So... yousay that you knew that a mason pair existed before you even made the claim? o.O What did you bank on them figuring out? I don't understand. | ||
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On November 02 2012 13:30 Muso wrote: Again, honestly I thought the masons would come to the right conclusion. Reasoning for my claim: 1. Masons are powerful, and frequently underestimated in their value. If I were scum I would perceive them as a serious threat, probably more so than a cop in this setup. In this setup the likelihood of mafia hitting town every night is at least >95% (aka not hitting a SK). Let's pretend it's 100% and let's pretend that nobody gets saved by a Doc. The result is 1 town death every night. As a citizen or vanilla townie as it's called here, it's my job to throw myself in the way of the mafia and convince them to use their kill on me because it buys the town power roles time. none of that has any relevance to fake claiming mason On November 02 2012 13:30 Muso wrote: 2. The wealth of information and reads that are available from this train is enormous. I doubt anybody will disagree with the idea that we've gained a lot more information from today than we would have had we led a lynch on somebody based upon the minor scum hunting that occurred in the first half of today. Not to say that that stuff isn't valuable, just that this provides more definitive answers. Even if nobody is satisfied with my explanations and this does go through to a lynch, this point will remain true. The true Mason reveal was regrettable and once again I do take the blame for that. So if you're saying that you did this to get information and reads, you do realize that if you're actually town, then you're the only person atm who can make those reads? If you did this as town, you've put yourself in a position where it's almost impossible to avoid getting lynched.... how does that help us makes reads based on people's reactions towards you until after we've seen your flip? I accept that townies can intentionally look scummy to make reads.... but the manner in which you supposedly did it and your explanations for what it would actually accomplish just don't make any sense. I want to see two things from you: 1) a clear a concise explanation of what exactly you were trying to accomplish by claiming mason 2) some reads | ||
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On November 02 2012 13:48 Muso wrote: Sorry thrawn, I answered your question in (1.). I'm not sure why you don't think it holds any relevance, because well that's the reason. ok I misread the first time, you were doing it so that the mafia would nk you and not a non-vt? but you didn't think it was a terrible idea to lie about your role... especially a role that can be counter claimed by two people? i'm having trouble seeing suitable townie risk/reward potential for this plan | ||
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catch a liar by the toe But what if there are two liars? tbh, I don't like what either of them did. Muso's most recent post is just dripping with insincerity and revelations of even more lies (now he's going back and saying that he's actually is experienced and has played games before.) On top of that, the majority of his defense is based on "don't lynch me or else you're a noob." Sorry buddy you cant pull shit like that. This statement from Muso..... "If you were mason and you knew this, and you knew that I within a 99% chance of certainty was also not a mason, then the conclusion you would draw would be that I was town." ..... are you fucking serious is all I have to say. You don't get to play the "if you vote me lolz ur a terribad n00b" card. Acro did lie and stuff, but imo he's saved by.... not actually lying? He did provide that encryption post ahead of time so his claim is wayyyy more believable than the stunt Muso pulled. probably gonna vote muso. I see that both acro and muso are voting prplhz, are you guys fine with voting a replacement? His posts have struck me as too fluffy, but the entirety of the rest of the argument against him depends on the alignments of both Muso and Acro. | ||
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muso/acro His first statement about the double mason claim was this: On November 02 2012 01:52 kushm4sta wrote: Why would a scum fake claim mason....it makes no sense even coming from a 100% newbie. I'm expecting 2 mason teams. Then a page or so goes by with people jumping on the vote muso bandwagon, and then here's kush's next post: On November 02 2012 05:09 kushm4sta wrote: Wow if muso is actually scum and just randomly claimed mason that is going to be the worst scum play ever... ##vote muso until we get a claim from his mason partner. Also I don't think acro's partner should claim until muso's claims. So he thinks that both claims are legit.... then after people start voting muso he decides to vote muso because of.... what change of opinion? None that I can see, just a disclaimer about waiting for additional claims. Muso/Acro if you guys are both town and believe each other to be town, and you're skeptical of prplhz for beliveing both claims, what do you think about kush's actions? After Acro reveals the encryption.... kush decides to vote Acro? Based on what? He didn't say. He gave no reason for unvoting the first fake claim and votes the next fake claim based on...... nothing. shutting down discussion On November 02 2012 07:50 kushm4sta wrote: So I will consider anyone talking about muso, or encryption, or the real scum claim, or anything other than looking for scum in the remaining 12 people, unhelpful and therefore suspicious. That is the dumbest logic ever. Kush says that anyone who talks about muso is derailing discussion? wtf. I'd say that kush was the one actually trying to derail discussion. blue hunting he makes several references to flavor names, and he even specifically asks for vt's to step forward and weigh in on if they think "jessica rabbit" or "kid watching tv" fit with the names other vt's were given. It's not the same asking "hey who is blue" but indirectly it would have the same outcome. | ||
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i'm still having a hard time seeing why your vote is on acro... it looks like it's 100% based off of your flavor speculation and if you're town then you should be trying harder than that | ||
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On November 03 2012 01:03 kushm4sta wrote: I still want any vt with a character name to claim btw. If no one claims then I will also want to lynch acro. What if acro is town, and a scum claims vt along with a name that they know you'd find acceptable? What if you're being silly and flavor is just flavor? | ||
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On November 03 2012 03:10 kushm4sta wrote: I have 0 votes for me. Why would you even say that... Also thanks for a totally useless post. Who do you want to lynch? What do you think of drazzaks scummy filter? You have 0 votes but I wouldn't say that you being lynched is out of the question. If I knew who I wanted to lynch......... + Show Spoiler + I'd tell you His filter is scummy, his initial vote on muso was full of denials of responsibility such as things along the line of "if he's town then he's not helping." But much like you.... his town filters are always at least a little scummy so I haven't decided yet. | ||
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##Vote: Muso I think muso has the best potential for flipping red. drazak has looked super scummy in every game i've seen him play release... i'm still wary of him but I like muso's chances of being red better prom/prplhz: All prplhz was acting like prplhz, (this is based on my game with him where he was town in looney lynching) and he made those posts about how both claims could possibly be correct. Lynching him because of that post seems weird because A) I don't doubt that prplhz would say something like that as town, B) because it assumes that both muso and acro are town and if not the whole thing falls apart and finally C) prom is doing a much better job than prplhz was about sharing reads and contributing... on top of all of that he's a replacement. So I don't wanna lynch prom. | ||
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I'd like to hear you talk some more about muso. You said that you didn't want him lynched today but that he was a good vig shot... what are your actual opinions about him being town/scum? | ||
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