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On November 03 2012 05:59 Release wrote: Ummm... This post that i made before the other post + Show Spoiler + On November 03 2012 05:42 Release wrote: Well the bolds make me feel like you're playing a game of damage limitation: You're almost assuming that we're going to lynch town and our best shot is to lynch a town who will give us good information. The next one includes "or scum." As in: if he is scum, we still don't want to lynch him because we won't receive more information about other scum members. 1) we lynch to get scum, so if we think he is scum, we lynch him. No excuses. 2) if he is scum, we can more clearly see the agenda behind it through his posts, intereactions, etc. I can definitely see a scum agenda: he is trying to cause us to gather as much information as possible without actually hitting a scum. Missed this, sorry Release. you are misunderstanding what I am saying (which in general means I should have worded it better). 1) His lynch seems like a coin flip, so it only has about a ~50% chance of netting us scum (that is Muso himself) 2) a secondary point is that it also won't give us any information. we should lynch someone who has a higher chance of flipping scum (Draz) and who, no matter the flip will provide us with more information. The primary goal is the red flip, the secondary goal is what we can learn from the red/green flip. | ||
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On November 03 2012 06:08 kushm4sta wrote: ##vote muso cause there's no one else Does this mean that you have a town read on both Draz and me? If so why? Is Draz's name claim enough for you? What is it about me that makes you so sure? | ||
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On November 03 2012 06:11 kushm4sta wrote: carrot fits perfectly. He came up with it fast. No one else is a viable lynch but muso. Why am I not a viable lynch? I have as many votes as Draz. (Maybe more with your unvote). What is it about me which makes me less viable? Give me some cold hard facts about what you think. | ||
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Release: I answred your post. What say you? Draz: what is your scum meta? Hopeless, welcome back. I'd love to hear your thoughts on me, Draz and Muso as we three are your lynch candidates. | ||
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On November 03 2012 06:21 kushm4sta wrote: I don't find you or your predecessor particularly scummy. Also even if I wanted to lynch you I don't think realistically you have a possibility of getting lynched today. Buy my flavor theory or not. I'm going to vote for the bandwagon that I think has the best chance of flipping red. that is muso right now even tho I think he's probably town. Hedge your bets more. Go on, see if you can. So, let me see if I got this right: Because of your flavour theory you are 100% sure Draz is town, you feel the lynch is between him and Muso and since Draz is town you are voting muso. Is this correct? | ||
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Draz: address my post concerning our contributions to the thread and give a read on me. | ||
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On November 03 2012 06:26 drazak wrote: "Our" contributions to the thread? no immediate correction? sounds like a scum slip to me >.< I'll do it anyway, assuming you mean you and your predecessor. I meant you and me actually. Acro, you keep saying that you are reading me as green but that it isn't hard to look green for a few hours. Okay sure, does everyone look green to you? there are no scumtells besides those you got from prp? Really? You are setting yourself up for an excellent mislynch "oh woops, sorry guys he looked town but that guy before him looked scummy" I see why you think prp was scummy, I just think that pushing a replacement who seems like town is a poor choice. I know prp was scummy, sorry, I can't do anything about his behaviour whereas I am 100% responsible for my own. In your situation who is my scumbuddy? Muso? Draz? who am I defending that makes you say that all I care about is that me and my scum buddy not dying? Release: Sorry you don't see my point. We'll talk more about this later I guess. My point of the coin flip is that I don't see the scum tells or the town tells, I feel like lynching Muso has about the same chance as a random lynch, he is a little scummier than null but mostly his play is bad not indicative of red or green. Thrawn: what do you see as scummy in Release's filter? Be explicit. | ||
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Muso, it seems pretty clear that you are getting lynched, if you are around I'd love to here anything from you. Some reads or anything we can build on after your flip. | ||
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On November 03 2012 07:16 Acrofales wrote: I'm not looking for your scumbuddy yet. Plenty of other people look scummy to me. I have some theories for who your scumbuddy is, but no point in saying anything about that until you actually flip red. Seeing as it's going to be night and giving my scumreads right now will be completely irrelevant for the flip, I will post them at the end of the night. So, you are still convinced that I am scum? Wonderful. I look forward to hearing the rest of your, just as silly, cases. Put your theories out in the thread. The more information town has the better off we are. If you choose to leave out the identity of my 'scum buddy' in your night post I will take that as a scum claim and vote you as soon as d2 starts (assuming I am still alive). I'll be re reading the thread and posting thoughts soon. Have an idea but I have to check some filters first. Back soon. | ||
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On November 03 2012 14:05 kushm4sta wrote: Acrofales  There's the flavor theory but that is just one piece of the puzzle. What are the odds of two town fake claiming? I think it was a calculated scum risk. Question to people who know mafia possibilities better than me: Is there some way scum could know muso was fake claiming? Even if he didn't know, consider this: Would acro's claim have looked more scummy if Muso turned out to be mason? It seems like the is yes, but there is equal scumminess to action whether muso was mason or not. This is because when the action took place, acro had no way to know if the claim was fake or not. The only tool he had to discern the fake claim was his wits, which he has as mafia or town. So don't let muso not being mason make you think his action is any less scummy. His defense is that it would be retarded for scum to fake claim. Do you see how that logic is circular? It is retarded for scum to do that, therefore doing that makes you look town, therefore it is smart for scum to do that. Also don't forget the flavor theory! This is a huge town tell on Kush. These were the thoughts I had as well but had not yet expressed due to the awful timing of that TL drop. Sorry I have been gone so long, work is a thing I have to do. I don't know of any way for mafia to know someone's role at that point. Kush. My name doesn't fit the theme you are looking at. How does that affect your read? I would also point to Acro giving out the idea that Kush and I would look scummy if Muso flipped town. Setting up the next mislynch. I'm curious Zealos, why would you have still voted me? I know you said you would because of prp but I think it is obvious that my actions are pro-town (decide for yourself whether they are townie or not). DP: I only looked pro-town in that game because I took over early and lead town and scum around by the nose. Looking back on that game now I think that I (and my whole team) played terribly and I really don't know how I would play scum these days. My only other scum game was a total fail where I essentially 100% shat the bed and lost the game for my team. Look at my profile for links to those games. I'd love to hear more from you about Acro, Release, Draz and Myself. For the record Matt looks townier to me, he has been pressuring well and seems involved in this game. I no longer want to lynch him. | ||
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On November 03 2012 19:59 risk.nuke wrote: That's just wrong. Replacements doesn't get a clean sheet. So, do I look scummy? Why? Show me where. | ||
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Risk please respond. | ||
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On November 03 2012 22:57 kushm4sta wrote: @prome You said your name doesn't fit my flavor theory, so why wouldn't you claim? You are basically calling yourself vt with that statement so the damage from claiming is already done. You might as well just do it @Acro you actually bring up some good points in your defense. 1 Town has more reason to think the claim is fake because they do not know who mafia is. 2 Bugs games are meticulously put together and they would not have some broken mechanic that overrules scumhunting So for those reasons I'm laying off acro. I'm not claiming my role or lack thereof. Just that my name and your theory don't fit together. All you need to know. You have successfully side stepped the point though. What does my name not fitting into your theory mean to you? Acro: you are smart enough to see why your play could have a mafia motivation and why looking to set up others as looking scum after the green flip doesn't help the case of you being anything other than scum. You set up the encryption post first (as you mentioned) and that gave you a nice out as either town or scum. I'm not seeing your defense. I see you want to see my other games, click on my profile there is a nice list with links right there. But if that is too hard for you try this. Vanilla Town, Loss: MTG Mini Mafia Goon, Win: NMM XIX Vanilla Town, Win: NMM XXII Mafia Goon, Loss: NMMXXIII Vigilante (Replaced in N2) Loss: Liquid City Matt: I chose to ignore prp's reads because he clearly had so little time to put into this game (since he switched out) I wanted to pursue what people said instead of what he said. I had developed a town read on you in my sleep though, I remembered you saying that as scum you try to get a vet lynched on balance reasons and you hadn't done that this game. Now you brought it up. Back in the null column for you. On November 04 2012 01:21 Zealos wrote: That's not the point. The person you replaced in for was scummy as fuck, you don't just start from scratch now you're playing. Okay, not the point sure. But you haven't put anything into the thread and I'm asking for an opinion on if I look scummy. You haven't said that. I want you to stand up for your read and tell me that I look scummy or that I don't. Go ahead, make my day. Kush, my flavour is mine. I'll claim it when I think it makes sense to and in conjunction with whatever my role is or is not. All you need to know is that your theory is bunk.Kush, leave off your flavour posting and give us reads based on fact, I know you play differently than the rest of us but its time to consider playing the game the way its meant to be played. Off to work again guys. I'll be back in ~14 hours. Best of luck town, I hope I'll be alive after the night to continue to play with you all. Although Acro has been kind enough to make that pretty likely with his strong push. In case a town vig shoots me (which I feel is more likely than a scum hit) look at Acro harder, also look at Matt and make sure he doesn't push vets for being vets that is a strong scum tell of his. Make Zealos give real opinions too, he hasn't made himself at all accountable. | ||
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Vanilla Town, Loss: MTG Mini Mafia Goon, Win: NMM XIX Vanilla Town, Win: NMM XXII Mafia Goon, Loss: NMMXXIII Vigilante (Replaced in N2) LossLiquid City | ||
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On November 04 2012 13:52 Acrofales wrote: Oh wait. Just say my PMs. I was roleblocked. So was I. On November 04 2012 08:01 Release wrote: I'm not good at setup based play (hence why i didn't comment directly on mason/miller claiming) so i ask: is this a time for the vig to speak up and show his breadcrumb? Unless the vig is multi bullet. It might be wiser to keep it to yourself there. Kush: honestly I didn't want to reveal anything about roles to the mafia, you managed to get a lot of VTs to claim vt. Look at those blue flips and tell me you didn't cause that. During the night it served no purpose. Now that Night is over: My role is Marvin Acme. | ||
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okay, no one is here. I'm going to sleep. | ||
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I was thinking about this. Zealos was pretty sure about me being scum and Acro being town. He may have tried to Save Acro or RB me. I'm not sure if Matt would use his 1-shot n1 so there is probably at least another Role Blocker still in the game ( I assume scum has one). I was wondering, neither Matt nor Zealos felt all that blue to me and I assume Mafia felt the same way. Which of their reads are most convincing to you? | ||
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