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On November 15 2012 11:58 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 11:55 Release wrote:On November 15 2012 11:51 DarthPunk wrote:
Sorry for being absent. I was just in the most epic hour of mafia ever. Release you stopped caring about cases. You were pushing FUBA and then you sheeped the thrawn case and stopped contributing all together.
What made you change your mind to thinking thrawn was scummier than Fuba?
remember that post made by fuba about my case = null but I'm still scum(last part implied and clarified later)? Thrawn jumped on that way too hard, without giving fuba a chance to clarify. So how does thrawns flip do to your read on Fuba? Who is the last scum if you are town? To be honest this is all shit you should be doing on your own if you were town.
Why are you holding me accountable and not Kush?
Fuba is still full of excuses. The post to which thrawn responded is an excuse for not having any opinions.
But right now, I am absolutely feeling that Kush is the most likely scum.
He was so adamant about doing nothing during the day and sheeping whenever possible. And doing nothing after the vote switched. Silencing discussion.
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silly stuff spoilered
+ Show Spoiler +number of mention in Drazak's filter.
ima green the actives (not confirmed town i believe)
kush - 15
release - 3
prom - 12
dp - 5
hope - 10
matt - 1
thrawn - 2
acro - 7
fuba - 2
risk - 9
zealos - 2
muso - 9
It's pretty clear (or it should be) that hope and draz basically threw their lives away and trusted that their last (1/2) scum buddy would win. I am almost certain that this was a plan devised in response to the green-check on Kush, the godfather. With the greencheck and the death of another godfather, Kush is almost certain scum, which buys him a free ticket to the end-game, giving drazak the chance to tap out as well.
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Kush has a trolling town meta(at least that's what i've been told).
So, this meta is excellent for a scum to appear towny.
None other than Hope confirms that Kush has this type of meta.
A quick check over hope's filter shows again, that Kush has the most interactions (bar Prom, but everyone has had tons with prom).
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I've never played with kush before, so call me an objective eye, but trolling makes it hella easy for him to do nothing and coast to the endgame.
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Meta is shit and a tremendous waste of time imo.
Especially for me, because almost every time i have encountered meta, it has proven to be largely useless. (thanks hapa).
i'll spend the next 40 minutes trying a kush case.
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On November 01 2012 08:08 kushm4sta wrote:
Yeah millers please claim except DO NOT say your role's name.
I think we can use name claims for evidence in our first lynch.
Like ask the person who we are about to lynch what their role name is, then we have a mass role claim after our L-1 says his name. If it matches the theme of ours, we know they might be town (depending on how broad of a theme the names are)
What do people think of this plan? Do you understand it and think it's a good idea?
flavor and blue-hunting begins.
On November 01 2012 09:05 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 09:01 Release wrote:
EBWOP: those are three separate ideas, although kushmasta is looking scummy for both trying to change who should claim and being deceitful about it. I'm not being deceitful about it, I just got their names mixed up. I think they should probably both claim actually.@releaseAre you suggesting that I'm trying to trick power roles like vig, dt, etc into mass claiming? Are millers' true alignment revealed upon death?
more blue-hunting after saying
On November 01 2012 08:35 kushm4sta wrote:To the people saying millers shouldn't claim: You are wrong. Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 08:22 drazak wrote:
I don't think they need to claim early D1, it gives mafia someone NOT to lynch as the miller doesn't have a useful role. If I were scum I would be pretty happy with nk confirmed town. Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 08:25 thrawn2112 wrote:
If a miller claims D1 I don't even know what my thought process would be for deciding if I believe them or not, so I'm hesitatingly saying that I disagree with the idea That is what is so good about the miller claim. It's confirmed by the second miller. Scum can never claim miller unless one of the millers is already dead. _____ OK maybe mass claim is a bad idea because of blues.. I wasn't thinking that.How about they name claim anyway though and we can all judge the validity of their name claim without revealing ours.
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On November 01 2012 09:35 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 09:09 Zealos wrote:On November 01 2012 09:07 thrawn2112 wrote:
release, you are looking scummy. what was kush "deceitful" about? your accusation against him is spin-city
thinking prplhz meant mason when he said miller is what kush did, i even did it to for a while... i don't see how it even comes close to [i[being deceitful I highly doubt a mafia would get so aggressive right off the bat imo. Just seems like dumb reasoning, is all. Aggression is only a towntell if you have meta to back it up. I have seen scum be very aggressive early. I also want to hear more from release about why he thinks my plan was scummy. ( also yeah maybe mason claim is dumb now that I think about it more. I can see pros and cons to it.) [/i]
1) begins to say meta is important
2) artificially supports his meta by making his derp conspicuous
On November 01 2012 10:47 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 10:30 Release wrote:On November 01 2012 10:17 thrawn2112 wrote:On November 01 2012 10:09 Release wrote: I highly doubt that you "mixed up" their names because things like that tend to get checked, which leads me to believe you said such things on purpose. and I highly doubt you would actually think this I was confused about whom we wanted to claim and which each were. So i checked the OP and the thing Hope posted and asked for clarification. Kush posted things based on a misunderstanding and i don't understand why he would not check the OP or ask for clarification. I mean, in Hope's post-quote, there was clearly a miller AND a mason. So it appears that Kush is setting himself up for a defense ( as I have said), and overeager to contribute. I guess you have never played with me before. Most of the time I don't think before I post and I'm quite capable of derps as town. About your suspicion of me: Let me get this straight. You think my scumplan was to convince the masons to claim then cover my ass by pretending I mixed up masons and millers? That does not sound like a realistic scumplan!
calls on meta to support and conveniently, hope supports him.
From these early posts, i see someone with an irrational wish to free himself of any suspicion, and a conscious decision to derp, which causes confusion and delays proper discussion about lynch (unless we had talked about lynching him, which ofc his derps were designed to prevent such a thing.
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On November 01 2012 11:26 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 10:50 thrawn2112 wrote:
kush you think release is scum or town? If I had to vote right now I would vote him if that answers your question.
@release Please clarify this while it's still fresh in your mind. Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 10:47 kushm4sta wrote:
About your suspicion of me: Let me get this straight. You think my scumplan was to convince the masons to claim then cover my ass by pretending I mixed up masons and millers?
Am I correct in describing your suspicion this way?
Completely equivocates in response to an explicit question. - wishy-washiness
+ Show Spoiler +On November 01 2012 19:22 kushm4sta wrote:Before you were.talking about how people don't post without thinking in mafia. Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 13:07 Release wrote:
Sounds like bait from Muso. Wants me to push the agenda with which i have already parted.
Muso... So you think this is a fake claim? Think about how easy it would be to falsify a fake mason claim. falsify a fake mason claim by forcing the other mason pairs to claim? more blue-hunting.
On November 02 2012 00:02 kushm4sta wrote:
my thought on release is that it's completely possible he is town even though his actions look fishy. It's pretty hard to tell with new players.
I really don't understand how Matt can be so certain about release's alignment this early.
wishy-washy again
and questions someone with a strong stance (when he doesn't have a strong stance himself)
On November 02 2012 07:50 kushm4sta wrote:
I'm pretty sure DP is the only one left who hasn't commented on muso's claim. So it's either DP is muso's mason partner or muso is the worst scum ever.
Maybe he fake claimed because he was confused about what mason did? (I actually don't know what either a mason or a miller are IRL. There should be more obvious, more differentiated role names IMO)
So I will consider anyone talking about
muso,
or encryption,
or the real scum claim,
or anything other than looking for scum in the remaining 12 people, unhelpful and therefore suspicious.
artificially strong stance that intends to shut down discussion
Rest of day 1 is similar. (he takes a stance on drazak, but really, DP(?) and I had already talked about drazak and reasonable suspicion had already been cast.
What i see from these posts is someone who refuses to take a strong stance when there is doubt surrounding a person, but is willing to have so strong a stance when there is suspicion on a townie that he is willing to shut down discussion. There is a lack of an appropriate level of strength in his stance (lacking a focussed train of thought)
and lots of flavor for the rest of day 1
On November 04 2012 02:49 kushm4sta wrote:
Prome already said his name does not fit my flavor theory. Prome please claim, since you already admitted to being a vt.
If that is a character name I will stfu about flavor theory forever.
Also why did you reveal it now and not during d1?
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What is the difference between risk town and risk scum? Does anyone know?
Same question for mattchew.
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3 people want to lynch me now! Zealos, acro, thrawn. Anyone else?
Are there any questions you want me to answer? The cases are quite spread out so it's a little hard to respond to everything.
Summary of the case against me:
1 over reliance on flavor theory
I have been pretty obsessed with it sorry.
2 blue hunting
I just wanted more evidence for my theory. I only ever advocated 1 vt claiming their name. Also I thought mason should claim in the beginning but changed my mind about it. (The reason I actually made the case for mason claiming is I read in Sandroba's filter from a game a long something he said about there being no downside to millers claiming. But I thought he were talking about the role that is actually masons. Then I see someone this game talking about millers claiming and that authoritative opinion is only enforced, so I assume millers claiming is a smart play.)
^ a lot of text about something pretty insignificant.
3 thrawn saying im off my meta
Every game I try to improve and play better. I am being less emotional I think it's better play. (and also I've been hurt so many times in the past)
4 my "scumslip"
I said "Why is town fake claiming?"
2 people fakeclaimed mason. I doubt both of them are mafia. So I can say with almost a certainty that town is fakeclaiming because at least one of them is town.
Flavor theory outweighs letting the scum see blues? No no no no
and more meta to remind us in case we forgot, ofc, now the meta is changing. This is now his panacea for any behavior:
match town meta? OK town. doesnt? "I'm changing" bullshit. Complete paradox.
On November 05 2012 09:02 kushm4sta wrote:
I'm not liking prome. The case is weak imo. Lately there has been talk of him not scumhunting but I think that is just his style.
Not liking release. Playing too scummy to be scum.
I could get behind a fuba or hopeless lynch though.
Consider fubas weak ass filter... inherent guilt talking about how indecisive he is.
Also keep in mind he's not a newb like draz, release and he should know better.
Too scummy to be scum? Hope and draz were also too scummy. But different stances. Lack of focus/train of thought.
"could" but won't if they don't happen and sheep if they do. No stances really.
Not liking, but prome is not declared scummy. Too weak of a stance when there is a lack of suspicion.
reinforces the italics.
Eh i'm running out of time.
Important stuff was in italics.
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my lunch is over in 5 minutes
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fuck class. I'm here for 5 more minutes
I overstate scumminess. So what? I'm bad at this game. I see an overstatement of scumminess about a million times better than some piece of vacillation that shows no opinion at all.
I brought up that vig claim myself after claiming VT. No one FOUND the claim. I didn't have to bring it up. I NEVER claimed vig. I said that the claim was what got me roleblocked (after asking acro, who rb'd me, whether he noticed any ONE post in particular) and apparently it didn't.
Hope is the only person with whom i've played (maybe 1 with prome but i forget).
He clearly supports meta and doesn't want to make his support of kush too conspicuous so he throws one in about me.
That wasn't guilt. It was a wish to clarify what could EASILY be misinterpretted.
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1) we have not been endgamed. There is 1 scum left.
2) The scum is DP. Kush is far too unlikely. If kush is the GF, he is my girlfriend, not the godfather.
3) i have been thinking about this all day and realized one thing
"claiming JK is risky as fuck when an SK is still around" is not completely true.
I'm sure "GAOL" could be manipulated to represent roleblocker and none of us would have realized "keeping".
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On November 16 2012 07:39 DarthPunk wrote:If I die. I would say listen to prom but you are all so good at that anyway  . I doubt there are two godfathers therefore Kush is town. Prom is town. Night kill = lynch Release No night kill = Lynch fuba.
This guy has been saying Fuba/Release Fuba/Release Fuba/Release Fuba/Release so many times.
He manipulates the night actions and his RB (claimed jail) will never die.
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On November 16 2012 10:28 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 10:20 mkfuba07 wrote:
GG Prome, and thanks kush (also, happy birthday!).
Roleblock confirmed.
Anyone else think the nk was strange? Yes. I should have died.
scum don't shoot themselves.
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On November 16 2012 10:43 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 10:38 Release wrote:
1) we have not been endgamed. There is 1 scum left.
2) The scum is DP. Kush is far too unlikely. If kush is the GF, he is my girlfriend, not the godfather.
3) i have been thinking about this all day and realized one thing
"claiming JK is risky as fuck when an SK is still around" is not completely true.
I'm sure "GAOL" could be manipulated to represent roleblocker and none of us would have realized "keeping".
And this is why I didn't die. If I had been shot we would have had three confirmed townies and release. GG If prom dies we have two confirmed Townies Myself and release. And the first thing Release does is push his lynch onto me. I claimed before the SK died. Every night I would have told people my jail until I died. If the SK ever killed the townie as fuck players I was Jailing each night I would have lost. AFTER bussing my two scum buddies Immediately. Also your story about Gaol being manipulated into roleblocker and not Jail-keeper is just grasping at straws.
first time I'll mention it but ... I'm town.
You can't have been shot because we would have 4 townies and a happy "town won" post.
Pissing contest commence!
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and the SK thinks you Jailed whomever. He doesn't have reason to doubt your claim so he won't bother wasting his shot by shooting the JKed target. Logic.
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On November 16 2012 10:48 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 10:40 Release wrote:On November 16 2012 07:39 DarthPunk wrote:If I die. I would say listen to prom but you are all so good at that anyway . I doubt there are two godfathers therefore Kush is town. Prom is town. Night kill = lynch Release No night kill = Lynch fuba. This guy has been saying Fuba/Release Fuba/Release Fuba/Release Fuba/Release so many times. He manipulates the night actions and his RB (claimed jail) will never die. You have been role-blocked/ jailed twice. Each has a corresponding Lack of KP. What you are saying is that I have witheld KP twice throughout the game all in order to mislynch you now? When if those KP had been used the game would already be over? That seems ridiculous.
but isn't.
Why am i alive when it is MYLO? my death should have been sealed yesterday, but you posted that excellent case on Thrawn intending to get him lynched and maintain my supposed scumminess into MYLO. Game is sealed for you in that case.
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calculated risk. Prome is a good player ♥♥♥. needs somethiing special to beat him.
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Pissing contest continues...
On November 16 2012 10:51 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 10:48 Release wrote:On November 16 2012 10:43 DarthPunk wrote:On November 16 2012 10:38 Release wrote:
1) we have not been endgamed. There is 1 scum left.
2) The scum is DP. Kush is far too unlikely. If kush is the GF, he is my girlfriend, not the godfather.
3) i have been thinking about this all day and realized one thing
"claiming JK is risky as fuck when an SK is still around" is not completely true.
I'm sure "GAOL" could be manipulated to represent roleblocker and none of us would have realized "keeping".
And this is why I didn't die. If I had been shot we would have had three confirmed townies and release. GG If prom dies we have two confirmed Townies Myself and release. And the first thing Release does is push his lynch onto me. I claimed before the SK died. Every night I would have told people my jail until I died. If the SK ever killed the townie as fuck players I was Jailing each night I would have lost. AFTER bussing my two scum buddies Immediately. Also your story about Gaol being manipulated into roleblocker and not Jail-keeper is just grasping at straws. first time I'll mention it but ... I'm town. You can't have been shot because we would have 4 townies and a happy "town won" post. Pissing contest commence! I am not going to get into this with you when you have no arguments and no case. I expect arguing with you until deadline while you desperately find the one mislynch you need is going to be tiresome. Oh well. So. The past few days when you should have been lynched. You were sure Thrawn, Then Fuba, then Thrawn then Kush then ME were scum. Seems like you didn't give a fuck about who you lynched as long as it wasn't you. You just wanted to get a mislynch on whoever you could.
if you really believed that, you would not have voted for thrawn yesterday.
I think you didn't recognize but Thrawn's death was the best thing (second only to your's) because it basically confirmed kush as town. Fuba is confirmed town now too. Me and you only.
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but there was tons to suggest me. Your vote on thrawn and not on me is the scummiest thing in this game.
"The night actions fit me perfectly" didn't they? They could also fit you.
You didn't give a shit about night actions' fitting thrawn because he was not going to make it to MYLO.
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and because his case was not as serious as that on me
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True nonsense.
So what? Nothing i can do about confirmed townies
I mean you are the guy who immediately votes me and discounts the potential benefits of a nolynch.
You are the one who has all this time parochially focussed on me and fuba. One of us turns green ... BAM the other is dead. GG.
Yes. You manipulated 3 cycles ago to frame me.
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