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DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10854 Posts
November 13 2012 00:55 GMT
#1832
On November 13 2012 09:52 Promethelax wrote:
the last two cycles have been periods of no activity...but okay. I hope to wake up to something from you buddy. + Show Spoiler +
I'm not a Yank! The hell with you!+ Show Spoiler +
Okay I am. But I moved away


Off topic. We have a lot of Canadians come to the UNiversity here to study and I take great delight in confusing them with Americans. They get super mad lol.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10854 Posts
November 13 2012 01:17 GMT
#1834
On November 13 2012 09:58 Promethelax wrote:
Fair enough. I deal with a lot of new zealanders (what do you call them that is slightly insulting but socially acceptable?) through my work and I do love confusing them with Australians.

Do you think a scum RB would have fake claimed blue or green? Why?


Well. We like to talk about their carnal relations with sheep. But err. Calling them Australian is probably just as insulting and more socially acceptable.

I think claiming a one shot role is probably the best course of action. It removes some suspicion from you and can't really be dis-proven at all.

I remember when thrawn claimed I was fairly suspicious of him but I had no reason to disbelieve his claim so that was alleviated somewhat and now he is just a VT.

Similar situation with Fuba he was somewhat suspicious and then he claimed and I crossed him off my list for a while.

That being said it is most common for scum to claim VT in a game with no watcher/trackers as there is no need to potentially explain visits etc.

But what are one shot roles but VT's anyway really? A one shot cop with a green check. Anyone could claim that. even a goon.

A one shot jailkeeper could be claimed by a roleblocker. And if his roleblock get's killed by the serial killer he waits another night to claim a jail.

So yeah. I could see the advantages on claiming a one shot role but there are advantages to both.

Any reason for asking?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10854 Posts
November 13 2012 01:40 GMT
#1837
On November 13 2012 10:28 Promethelax wrote:
Because I'm thinking about it myself and want your input really. Just for something to talk about.


Yeah I get how you feel. ZB was in two games at once and it was frustrating. It really isn't Ideal and it something I avoid, But keir asked me to join up and how could I refuse that?

"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10854 Posts
November 13 2012 01:57 GMT
#1838
Anyone still here? Fuba's post was pretty good IMO. At the moment I can't see release being town. What does worry me is thrawns complete absence today. But I guess RL stuff could be getting in the way.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10854 Posts
November 13 2012 02:00 GMT
#1839
Thrawn is way more active and a leader in like every previous game of his.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10854 Posts
November 13 2012 02:15 GMT
#1841
On November 13 2012 11:05 Promethelax wrote:
Have no fear, I'm still here.

Fuba's giant posts this game have been quite good. Fubes I hope you will write more like that. I would like a post like Fuba's most recent post from EVERY PLAYER LEFT IN THE GAME! this means you!

Thrawn: come back and play.

I don't see release being town but if he was the last scum not conceding would be dumb as fuck, or as DP says: retarded. This is why I'm wondering about a four man scum team.

Release: if you are the last scum seriously please just concede, you'll save everyone a lot of angst and the result will be the same.

Release and Kush, you have been underwhelming this game but now is your chance to redeem yourselves. Posts your reads and make sure that you have reasons to back them up. Share your thoughts!

Thrawn: I get that Halloween was a big fuckin party or whatever but you haven't been playing this game at all and it has been a week and a half. Time to get in here and get over whatever block you have on playing.


Someone is reading the other thread ROFL.

I plan on going through both Fuba's and Thrawns filters and making a case on both. As I said it will probably be whilst you are all asleep.

Thrawn needs to get in here and contribute though. I don't know what it is but this is not a thrawn I have ever seen before.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10854 Posts
November 13 2012 02:25 GMT
#1843
On November 13 2012 11:17 Promethelax wrote:
of course I'm reading it. I'm off in the /obs QT fawning over how cute you are all the time.

Has Thrawn ever played scum? This play seems vasly different from his town meta but I don't remember a scum meta to compare it to.

I'd like it if you would do Kush as well. Release if you have time for it. Kush is not confirmed!


I am not, not voting for release today. If we don't lynch him then he just becomes a bigger problem he next day.

Thrawn has never played scum. It is worrying to say the least. He has played 3rd party. But in that game scum was so far ahead he actually needed to catch scum to win rofl. So no meta to compare to unfortunately.

I'll do Kush too I guess. Geez. Holy shit I have a mafia work load right now. ^_^
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10854 Posts
November 13 2012 03:11 GMT
#1848
On November 13 2012 11:52 kushm4sta wrote:
k prome is town.
Thank you for explaining.. there has been so much nk theory which i have kind of been tuning out.
flavor theory>nk theory

Anyway yeah my inactivity and I'm sure others' as well is due to the fact that we have an obvious lynch who is like 95% scum.

Thrawn - I can't see scum claiming and saying they got a green check on me like that. There is 0 scum motivation.
Fuba - His claim was really detailed and it seemed hella town. Pretty much that long winded claim is the sole reason I think he's town, but nevertheless I'm pretty sure of it.
Prome - I guess he's confirmed town.. sorry for missing/forgetting that.
DP - yeah that would have to be the proest bus ever. He is my number 1 suspect if release flips town.
Release - duh



Well. I don't see why I am so much more a likely candidate than thrawn or Fuba. Anyway you should dive through my filter tonight and present a case against me assuming Release flips green.

Someone needs to do it and considering I am your top scum read in that scenario it might as well be you.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10854 Posts
November 13 2012 03:45 GMT
#1850
On November 13 2012 12:40 kushm4sta wrote:
If release flips green then I will


We are all making cases pull your weight.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10854 Posts
November 13 2012 05:36 GMT
#1854
Release. If you are town you need to be dumping reads like. hardcore.

If you are town. I am sorry. But we need to lynch you regardless otherwise we will be thinking what if? you know.

The best thing to do if you are town is to dump reads. Go through everyone's filter tell us what you find.

That's my advice anyway.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10854 Posts
November 13 2012 07:01 GMT
#1857
It irks me that kush won't build a case on me now. But wants to wait. He is probably just lazy? I can't see any other reason for that. But it is unfair on us all if he just coasts while we put in effort. Especially as he is 'confirmed' town.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10854 Posts
November 13 2012 07:01 GMT
#1859
NVM ninja'd
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10854 Posts
November 13 2012 07:08 GMT
#1867
On November 13 2012 16:02 kushm4sta wrote:
@DP I don't get why we have to make cases now and not after the flip?? If there is a case it will still be there to be made after the flip.


Because we don;t want to get complacent and let the thread die and then go oh WTF? release flipped green now we have to figure who the fuck the scum is and noone is here. Also more time the better. It's just safer this way IMO. Hope for the best, Plan for the worst and all that.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10854 Posts
November 13 2012 07:16 GMT
#1869
^_^
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10854 Posts
November 13 2012 07:53 GMT
#1878
Try and be a bit more succinct with your reads. Otherwise they are just going to go over peoples heads.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10854 Posts
November 13 2012 13:33 GMT
#1879
OK here it Goes. I am going through Thrawns Filter before bed.

I know this is long. And I tried to be brief. But I think I found some potentially important things so please bear with me.

Starts off pretty null. He gets really involved in the mason claim stuff. A lot of posts and speculation on it. That situation was disastrous for town BTW it allows scum to post alot and look like they are contributing while townies herp derp and kill themselves.

I found the situation with the masons tiresome and boring so it is somewhat weird that he took such an interest in it.
Maybe scummy but I'l call it a null tell.


The first thing i found off about thrawn was his read on kush.

He makes a FoS on kush

On November 02 2012 21:51 thrawn2112 wrote:
fos kush

muso/acro

His first statement about the double mason claim was this:

Show nested quote +
On November 02 2012 01:52 kushm4sta wrote:
Why would a scum fake claim mason....it makes no sense even coming from a 100% newbie. I'm expecting 2 mason teams.


Then a page or so goes by with people jumping on the vote muso bandwagon, and then here's kush's next post:

Show nested quote +
On November 02 2012 05:09 kushm4sta wrote:
Wow if muso is actually scum and just randomly claimed mason that is going to be the worst scum play ever...
##vote muso
until we get a claim from his mason partner.
Also I don't think acro's partner should claim until muso's claims.


So he thinks that both claims are legit.... then after people start voting muso he decides to vote muso because of.... what change of opinion? None that I can see, just a disclaimer about waiting for additional claims.

Muso/Acro if you guys are both town and believe each other to be town, and you're skeptical of prplhz for beliveing both claims, what do you think about kush's actions?



Then there are a series of posts which berate him. And then not only is there a turnaround in kush's read on Kush he provides possibly the most useless post ever.

On November 03 2012 03:06 thrawn2112 wrote:
I don't want kush to get lynched today. Yes, he's said dumb stuff and he's on my radar but that's usually how it goes with him. Imo we need more information to make a kush read.


Kush picks up on this and ask what the point is

On November 03 2012 03:18 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2012 03:10 kushm4sta wrote:
On November 03 2012 03:06 thrawn2112 wrote:
I don't want kush to get lynched today. Yes, he's said dumb stuff and he's on my radar but that's usually how it goes with him. Imo we need more information to make a kush read.


I have 0 votes for me. Why would you even say that...
Also thanks for a totally useless post. Who do you want to lynch?
What do you think of drazzaks scummy filter?


You have 0 votes but I wouldn't say that you being lynched is out of the question.

If I knew who I wanted to lynch......... + Show Spoiler +
I'd tell you


His filter is scummy, his initial vote on muso was full of denials of responsibility such as things along the line of "if he's town then he's not helping."

But much like you.... his town filters are always at least a little scummy so I haven't decided yet.


Here it gets really interesting. When asked about drazak he Is INCREDIBLY wishy washy. It is almost classically the scum response. State that your scum buddy is scummy in order to distance yourself but then discredit the very things you just said in order to arrive at no conclusion at all.

Then again in his very next post

On November 03 2012 04:36 thrawn2112 wrote:
got some stuff to do between now and lynch so for now,

##Vote: Muso

I think muso has the best potential for flipping red.

drazak has looked super scummy in every game i've seen him play
release... i'm still wary of him but I like muso's chances of being red better



So he isn't scum because he has a scummy town meta but then he is wary of him but some other guy is scummier....

More. He talks about wanting to lynch drazak

On November 06 2012 06:40 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2012 06:39 drazak wrote:
I don't want to vote for prom but I will if it means a lynch, I think he's town and anyone who thinks otherwise is probably scum (


uh

what do you guys think about lynching drazak


Then when someone actually does he backs off
On November 06 2012 06:44 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2012 06:41 mkfuba07 wrote:
On November 06 2012 06:40 thrawn2112 wrote:
On November 06 2012 06:39 drazak wrote:
I don't want to vote for prom but I will if it means a lynch, I think he's town and anyone who thinks otherwise is probably scum (


uh

what do you guys think about lynching drazak

I'm for it.

##Unvote
##Vote drazak


howcome


Then not ONE thing is mentioned about drazak until this

On November 07 2012 02:37 thrawn2112 wrote:
I do agree that there is a lot of stuff to consider for drazak's case but I'm hesitant to decide on that right now.

ATM I think kush and acro are town. As far as scum suspects other than drazak, I'm somewhat at a loss right now because we weren't really able to get discussion about the hopeless lynch, it just happened. Going through his filter didn't give me much.


AFTER the hopeless lynch AFTER draz claimed scum. There is more of the same wishy washy shit that came before.

Speaking of the hopeless lynch. This is his entire contribution or discussion on it.

On November 06 2012 07:45 thrawn2112 wrote:
hopeless please tell me what that prom comment meant


On November 06 2012 07:49 thrawn2112 wrote:
"I also can't belive that prom just isn't running with this"

what did that part mean


On November 06 2012 07:55 thrawn2112 wrote:
##unvote
#Vote hopeless1der


Compare this to the one other post he made during hopeless' lynch

On November 06 2012 07:54 thrawn2112 wrote:
kush are you really not considering that a scum could just make up a inanimate object and claim vt with it? i really don't see why you are leaning so strongly on this unconfirmed flavor theory that scum can just manipulate by claiming well.

like it's so hard for me to accept that you're playing the game based on that theroy that i'm starting to doubt the accuracy of my check



It seems he has more to say about Kush than about the person he voted for.

Moving on. He questions people when they vote for drazak. Even though before he claimed scum in the thread he was 'wary' of him

On November 07 2012 09:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2012 09:07 Release wrote:
Yo. I was roleblocked.

##vote drazak

His defense before the deadline wasn't tenable. avoid a mislynch?
The response that would have exonerated him (in my eyes) is that he had no reason at all, or that he was dicking around with his vote because already secured.


why did you change your mind on drazak? because he didn't respond by some arbitrary time?

you said a lot of words during n1 about how acro is scum, and you specifically said that acro, prome, and kush are your top scumreads.

to me your drazak vote looks like you're abandoning your scumreads to sheep onto the popular vote


Chainsaw defense of drazak when release casts his vote for him

On November 07 2012 09:54 thrawn2112 wrote:
I'm having the same thoughts about release's drazak vote that I had about release's early game suspicions of kush: they aren't true town suspicious. I don't buy release's drazak vote at all. On top of that, he's only gotten worse about looking inherently guilty since the last time I mentioned him.

##Vote: Release


More wishy washiness over drazak I'll bold the wishy-washy part
On November 08 2012 01:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
With drazak, I agree with a lot of the stuff already talked about.. specifically the voting from D2. So I could still lynch him depending on how the rest of D3 goes. However the drazak bandwagon seemed like maybe almost too much of a natural progression in the thread, and afterwards everyone agreed about drazak and activity was low ever since. So I'm just looking at different stuff in the meantime while waiting for drazak to post

I can't rule prom out. but a lot of that is based on me basically assuming you're town (stuff from prplhz during the early mason claims.) but other than that, I haven't had any huge concerns about prom's play, except that it felt too clean, too intentionally pro-town.


I'm curious if anyone thinks that release shouldn't be lynched.



After the mood of the thread was quite clearly heading towards a resounding Drazak lynch we finally get a firm position by thrawn on drazak

After he had tried to lynch release for voting for this very player. After all the wishywashiness whenever he mentioned draz we get some solid standpoint.

On November 08 2012 12:09 thrawn2112 wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: drazak


I was going through drazak's filter and it made me put aside my suspicions of his lynch coming about too easily. There is one thing in particular I want to point out that I think makes a red drazak flip is extremely likely.

Here's a series of posts starring drazak, prom, and everyone's favorite vt flavor theory. Prom asks drazak about his role, wondering if drazak is still sticking to his earlier vt flavor claim. Here's an exchange that comes immediately after that.

Show nested quote +
On November 06 2012 08:28 Promethelax wrote:
On November 06 2012 08:27 drazak wrote:
I already did that prom, like, D1, I'm carrot vanilla town


Glad to hear it, just wanted to see if you'd stick with that story.


Show nested quote +
On November 06 2012 08:29 drazak wrote:
why would I ever change prom? that would make me insanely scummy


The answer drazak gave is not a town answer. If you are town then your answer will something like "no wtf prom i'm still the same." Drazak says he'd never have changed his flavor because that would make him look scummy... yes scum drazak, that would make you look scummy. But if you're town then the reason you wouldn't change your claim would be because you are town and you didn't lie about your claim so you have no reason to change it.


Of course he comes up with some reason of his own to lynch draz. But that is what scum love to do when bussing.

Then finally after someone had taken his bait for a release lynch

On November 09 2012 07:25 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2012 07:11 kushm4sta wrote:
##unvote release
##vote drazak

preventing no lynch



Would you still be good with lynching release? I haven't completely decided yet


He goes for it again. Even though his case on Draz was much stronger.

On November 09 2012 07:55 Acrofales wrote:Anything other than Drazak is fucking nuts.

He then get's blaste over this by every person in the thread. and rightly so and reluctantly switches back onto the most solid case he had made all game.

On November 09 2012 07:58 thrawn2112 wrote:
k fine

##unvote
##Vote drazak


Ever since aside from a case on the serial killer Who was also scummy as fuck Thrawn has been laying REALLY low. Sliding by and has not really contributed anything. The weird thing is I didn't seriously consider the possibility of thrawn being scum beofre I went through his filter really thoroughly. But when I did there was A LOT to be found.

If release flips town I think Thrawn is scum.



Ok I am off to bed. I am sorry I didn't do more but that took quite a long time. I would like to hear what others think of the findings here.

I'll be going through more filters in a similar fashion when I get up.

"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10854 Posts
November 14 2012 00:51 GMT
#1897
Hey. I am back. I did not expect the case on thrawn to come out as it did. I had a town feeling about him. But when I dove into his filter with an open mind... well you saw what happened. The case pretty much wrote itself and it made me FAR more suspicious of thrawn than I was previously.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10854 Posts
November 14 2012 01:05 GMT
#1899
About the scum slip thing. I agree. His case on Drazak was the strongest he made all game. Which makes sense if he knew he was scum and therefore knew what he was looking for.

The fact that it was so strong makes it even more odd for him to flip off and try and vote release as soon as one other person (kush) finally bit.

We were all like WTF?!?! at the time about derailing the drazak lynch and now in the context of that being thrawns only really solid contribution makes it all the more damning.

I can empathise with the 'gut' town feeling of thrawn as I possess it my self. But whilst making the case and keeping an open mind I just couldn't wrap my head around thrawns play. especially in context with his other town games and even his SK game.

What convinced me the most was the wishy-washyness around drazak and the distance which he kept between himself and both drazak and Hopeless.


"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10854 Posts
November 14 2012 02:37 GMT
#1911
On November 14 2012 10:16 Promethelax wrote:
I hadn't considered that, thanks DP. Switching off of Draz when I have been beating myself up for not noticing that scum slip seems pretty off.

How do you feel about Thrawn's check on Kush. What does it tell you about both of them?


There was actually some things I wrote about it in my case originally but I removed a fair amount of it. I will see if I can find it.

There is no name in the breadcrumb so it would be able to be altered to whoever he fuck he pleased which is a big problem. Breadcrumbs are almost useless without a name of your check.jail because then you cannot be held accountable if things change.

If he had bread-crumbed Risk say with a green check then he would have been fucked. but if you leave no name then you can alter things when you eventually do claim and you have more info.

As it stands he was pretty wishy washy on kush but then in the night decides h is scum and then claims 1-shot cop first thing. Which makes sense if he was town. So meh. I don;t think it says too much unless there are 4 scum. then kush and thrawn is looking super good. But I am unsure how likely that is.

The one odd thing I found about his claim

On November 06 2012 07:54 thrawn2112 wrote:
kush are you really not considering that a scum could just make up a inanimate object and claim vt with it? i really don't see why you are leaning so strongly on this unconfirmed flavor theory that scum can just manipulate by claiming well.

like it's so hard for me to accept that you're playing the game based on that theroy that i'm starting to doubt the accuracy of my check


This is a really odd thing to say. It makes me feel as if thrawn was concerned he had fake claimed on the serial killer as kush increasingly seemed to be a candidate for such a role.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10854 Posts
November 14 2012 02:49 GMT
#1914
I'm inclined to agree with a thrawn over a Release lynch. But It would be fucking hilarious if release actually was scum and WIFOM'd us out of it perfectly.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
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