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On November 05 2012 04:24 mkfuba07 wrote:
First of all, I completely missed your request for my top three scumreads from you Acro. My apologies.
I actually don't think I have three at the moment. Drazak is definitely one of them. I'm still waiting on a response from him.
After reading your case against Release, which makes a lot of sense, he's back on the list. His immediate appearance in the thread, as you've pointed out, strengthens the case. I'd make him the second one.
Third... I'm not sure. I'm going to look at Prome's D2 as a whole, instead of in individual posts to see if I see the same things Hope does. One thing that struck me as odd was when risk posted about Prome fake claiming being roleblocked, simply because the same thought occurred to me as well. I accepted Acro's claim immediately, but Prome's made me feel weird about him. I don't know why, but maybe my read through his D2 will give me some insight. Right now it's just a bad feeling accompanying my earlier town read. However, as Acro pointed out, it's easy to act town for a while to save yourself or your scumbuddies, but if you have to do it over an extended period of time you'll probably slip up somehow.
Finally, my school's cdl team just roped me into streaming and casting our team's match in 45 minutes, so I have to get ready for that. I should be back in about... four hours at most.
Buddies up to Risk in this post. But ofc, doesn't take full responsibility, by mentioning risk.
"I don't know why" = excuses himself again for not having actual reasoning.
""""""@Kush: You can see indecisiveness and inherent guilt in every one of my games here. You've basically described my meta perfectly. The difference in this case is that I don't have far more experienced players who understand my meta in this game to defend me from my own shortcomings. This means I have to explain it to those who haven't played with me before so that they don't jump down my throat for something that I've done in every game. You've essentially accused me of playing to my meta (I won't say town meta, since I don't even have a full scum game here) and being honest/transparent. It's actually a bit strange, because you've actually played with me before and should understand this. Oh, and what are your reasons for wanting to lynch hopeless?"""""
Didn't want to quote the whole post:
Excuses himself again. Kush outlines what i basically have in detail and Fuba chooses to excuse himself based on Meta (which, I'll say again, i think is completely shit)
On November 06 2012 04:50 mkfuba07 wrote:Man this post took a while. I'm back and I should be at my computer until the end of the day (right after a shower, as I just woke up). Show nested quote +I was just doing some reading, I had a flash of brilliance as I slept and remembered thinking that Fuba played a lot better than this when I last played with him.
Looking back at my history I finally found the game he was in with me, NMM XXIII, in that game (both iterations of it, one in which he was scum and the other he was town) he played an active and interested game. He says now that there are always people defending him based on his scummy meta but I don't find that to be accurate. In NMM XXIII he did not appear scummy and played as if he cared.
His behavior this game has been totally different and anti-town, while I don't know if Kush, Draz or Release can play a better game I am confidant that Fuba can. I was planning on putting a pressure vote on him to post his reads when I last posted but edited it out before I posted becasue I didn't feel that there was a real case on him. Now that I have looked back at him I am placing a real vote, no pressure intended, just looking at scum. That was my very first game, and I was genuinely more excited and able to participate than I am now. If anyone is going to look into NMM XXIII, keep in mind that the first half of my filter is scum mkfuba, and the second half is town mkfuba. And I didn't mean to imply that I had people defending me all the time, I simply meant that there were always people there that understood my meta and would be able to explain that I am wishy washy in all of my games (possibly excluding that one, I don't exactly remember). If someone would have called me out as wishy-washy, there would be marv, or hapa, or even blazinghand once to point out that I regularly play this way. In this game, I had to do it myself because I don't think anyone else would do it for me. And how often do you implicitly trust someone when they talk about their own scummy meta after being called out as scum? Not very often. For that reason, I explicitly stated how I felt and what was going on throughout the entire game. Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 02:59 mkfuba07 wrote:
Hi all! I forgot this was starting, and I just caught up.
About Release:
I don't think he's scum. He seems too involved and sincere to be scum. He might not say the best things at all times, but so far I have a slight town read on him. In any case, we seem to have moved passed him for the most part today.
As for Muso and Acrofales... this is an awkward situation. If there's only one mason pair (which looks to be most likely), I'm inclined to believe Acrofales over Muso. I find it more likely that Muso fakeclaimed mason before there were any claims, than Acrofales fakeclaiming mason after there was already a claim.
##Vote Muso This is on page 11, where both Acro and Muso had claimed but well before we knew that either had fake claimed. What we see is that Fub is voting based on the fake claim of muso. As was everyone, note though that his reason is completely comprised of that one facet of muso's play. On November 02 2012 10:50 mkfuba07 wrote:On November 02 2012 09:37 Muso wrote:
Okay.
I take full responsibility for this situation.
Admittedly, I didn't make any attempt to assess the experience levels of anybody here before I started this game, so this is undoubtedly my fault.
1) However, I banked on Acro and his teammate figuring this out instead of coming out and counter-claiming me. Pretty much everybody in the game determined the following:
1. this is a suicide play as scum
2. it is extremely unlikely there were 2 mason teams,
Unfortunately, the masons didn't make the next leap in the puzzle, and think outside the box to figure out WHY? Fair enough, I'm not blaming you.
I am Kid Watching TV, aka a vanilla.
2)The point of the gambit should be obvious now. 1) So your claim is that you were hoping the scum would assume you're telling the truth, and hoping the real masons, if they even existed, would know you're not a newbie scum. Even though you made it clear that you are a new player... What was your ultimate goal? 2) It's blatantly obvious why scum would claim mason (though risky in the event of another mason team actually existing). It's much less obvious why a townie would do so. I want to see what the "point of the gambit" was, but the way it stands, all you did is force one of our masons to claim. I... don't know what to think about this. It feels like a really noobish mistake that either town or scum could make. I see more motivation for scum, but for some reason I think he's more likely to be town...##Unvote MusoI don't really know who I want to lynch after him, though. I'll give more thought to it when I get home later. And now that it is confirmed that Muso fake claimed (the reason that Fuba voted him) Fuba unvotes him. There is literally no reason for town to change their read at this point, nothing about the situation has changed in Fuba's mind. Muso had fake claimed when Fuba first posted and he had Fake claimed when Fuba next posted, how did this change from a scum read to a town read? And, to the sentence I highlighted we see that Fuba has left himself totally open to vote switch back onto Muso to make this mislynch happen. Don't tell me what has or has not changed in my mind. You have no idea what kind of shit goes on in here. My mind changes between the time it takes to hit "enter" and the screen to refresh after I've posted. I may have mentioned that it takes me an eternity to read, analyze, and write up posts before. If I haven't, let this be the post that I can point back to in future games and say, "Yes, I have said that. It is at least part of how I play as town." The post you quoted probably took me at least 45 minutes to write. Over that time, I came to a few conclusions. When I say I talk myself in circles all the time, this is one example. I feel that the red numbering and skeptical manner in which I ask the questions indicate that I wasn't inclined to believe him. By the end of that 45 minutes, however, I had the time to think about it. As you bolded, I did see more potential scum motivation, but his explanation fit within the bounds of town reasoning. Sure, not typical TL reasoning, but from it I was ever-so-slightly leaning town on him. As for "leaving myself totally open to switch back onto Muso to make a mislynch happen", anyone who doesn't say that someone is 100% scum or town is open to switch on and off of them. Either way, that is where I stood. Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 06:01 mkfuba07 wrote:What if Drazak is lying about his name now that you've made it clear that you think all VTs have non-character names? I'm TNT. See, I can do it too. + Show Spoiler + On November 03 2012 06:31 mkfuba07 wrote:
Ah, I see... That makes sense. Thx kush and drazak.
I'm feeling less and less sure of a drazak lynch since he's returned... And as much as I hate to admit it, kush's flavor theory is swaying me a bit. However, I don't know who I would vote for out of everyone else in the game. I think I'm being too liberal with town reads this game... In any case, it looks like muso is likely going to be lynched with or without me, and drazak is less and less likely to be lynched.
##Unvote
##Vote Muso
Ahhh, yet another wishy-washy D1 vote for fuba... Your flavour theory is bunk and I am showing how bunk it is by saying that I am town. No, wait, I take it back, the lynch is close, haha lols totally swayed by it. Also don't mind how scummy I look, I always look scummy d1. ...sure. I implicitly state that I was lying in that post. If someone was swayed into thinking I was town because I wrote a fake name in bolded green text then that's something I won't apologize for. I really wouldn't expect that statement to sway anyone. I wanted to see if kush was really serious about his flavor theory. I know that that kind of analysis would lead to scum gaining more information than town, so I wanted to stop him from going much further (what better way for sk to get scum to shoot all the blues than to point out all the VTs in the thread and point scum in their direction?). That being said, I had reason to believe that he might have been on to something. My reason for switching off of Draz wasn't exclusively the flavor thing. It was his manner of posting at the time. As for me looking scummy D1: this game I was scummy enough to be shot D1, this post and this post speak to my wishi-washiness and adherence to my "feelings" while playing, particularly around the D1 lynch. Those are the main games that I think about when I consider my meta, probably because they're more recent than my newbie games and they're games against people that are more experienced than me, which always makes me edgy. Show nested quote +Fuba follows this up with an out for the rest of the day until the lynch On November 03 2012 06:32 mkfuba07 wrote:
Also, I'm heading to a meeting now. I may be able to get on for 10 minutes or so before the lynch, but don't count on that too much. I don't even see how that's scummy. I told you a fact. If you want more information, I had a meeting at 5, it was 4:30, it takes about 10-15 minutes to walk there, I don't have the ID to access the internet in that location and would have to borrow a friend's, and it takes my laptop like 10 minutes to boot up because it's old and I don't take care of it. Believe me, I have plenty more "outs" I could have given myself, but instead I've at least tried to play as much as I could. Is it my best play? Absolutely not. Somehow I was better as a newbie than I have been in any of my other games. It could be my worst game, since there's no vig to shoot me. But it's still town me. Show nested quote +and after that gives a town read on a player who is under a lot of pressure and could easily be a vig shot that night (me), if you assume that I am town this looks weird. While I think that I have been playing townie the most vocal players in this game disagree. I have a hard time seeing fuba having his own very different read when he jumped into this game late (see his first post) and had to leave well before lynch (see the last post I quoted). He also manages to give a very light town read on prp's play in the same place he gives me a by before jumping thread. On November 03 2012 06:33 mkfuba07 wrote:On November 03 2012 06:32 Acrofales wrote:On November 03 2012 06:31 mkfuba07 wrote:
Ah, I see... That makes sense. Thx kush and drazak.
I'm feeling less and less sure of a drazak lynch since he's returned... And as much as I hate to admit it, kush's flavor theory is swaying me a bit. However, I don't know who I would vote for out of everyone else in the game. I think I'm being too liberal with town reads this game... In any case, it looks like muso is likely going to be lynched with or without me, and drazak is less and less likely to be lynched.
##Unvote
##Vote Muso
Ahhh, yet another wishy-washy D1 vote for fuba... Why not promethelax? I actually have town vibes from Prome. I also never felt too convinced of prplhz's scumminess. Really gotta go now~ I don't get how anyone did not see the scummyness in prp's play. As Marv said, in Your Clothes Give Them to Me, prp always seems scummy d1. Sorry I have a single thought independent of Acro. In almost all other matters I feel like I'm sheeping him, which is something I typically do with experienced players that I believe to be town (usually marv or hapa). I didn't find you scummy, so I didn't vote for you. You think that scum fuba was giving a town read on a townie so that when he flipped town he would look like a townie too? That would gain me nothing, and you know it. This entire point is irrelevant. Oh, and I gave a null read to prplhz. Show nested quote +Next we get Fuba's return to thread: On November 04 2012 22:01 mkfuba07 wrote:
Hi all.
I'm terrible at hopping back into the thread. Is there anything in particular that you'd like me to comment on? If not I'll probably end up solo-analyzing filters and talking myself in circles, which doesn't help anyone XD guys, I'm a newb, I'm bad, help me. Giving himself excuses and outs. This whole filter is scummy. After all this Fuba posts a whishy washy list in which everyone is called slightly town or he has a town read on, now though he agrees with Thrawn about Release. Remember when Fuba found Draz scummy enough to unvote Muso and vote draz? Yeah, neither does Fuba he hasn't managed to address his read on Draz again this cycle. Fuba is scum. Just stating facts, trying to get back into the game as soon as possible. I don't know how to just jump back into the game. I usually do it by asking a question, but then people later say, "After all of this discussion, this is all he had to say?!? A-ha! We've found ourselves some scum!" This time I decided to just ask what you guys wanted me to talk about. And sometimes excuses are legitimate. My friends needed a caster/streamer, and I was the only one available (it went awfully, btw). And the "wishy washy list" is a list of facts as I saw them. I had a town read on both you and Acro, but everyone's disagreeing about that so I went back and took another look (unfortunately inconclusive, but I can't do anything about that). And thrawn and kush were basically confirmed town, though it later occurred to me that there's a godfather and possibly an innocent sk, and also that I feel either of those roles could fit kush perfectly this game. And I didn't forget Draz. I asked him a question, and he returned to the thread while I was asleep. Not that actually pushing my scumreads is part of my meta either. I planned on doing that this game, but how do you pressure someone who's not here to respond to you? Show nested quote +TL:DR
Fuba gives himself outs so that he doesn't have to post reads, unvotes Muso for the same reason he voted Muso and drops his scum read on Draz without any of his problems with Draz being addressed.
Mkfuba is Scum and I will be voting for and pushing him today. Acro, since you are the only other active player I'd love your input (though I'm still not convinced that you are town).
False, false, and false (though the third point is consistent with my town meta). What you have is a case against town Fuba who has far less time on his hands than he was expecting, in a game where nothing has gone the way it has in the past. And while lynching me may not be a loss for town from a contribution standpoint, it's a wasted lynch, and I'll just be added to the list with Mattchew and Zealos. I have one question for you: As all of your experience with me is based around my first game of mafia ever, you have the unique perspective of having equally experienced my town AND scum games. Do I feel like I'm playing like I did in either of them?
This post is surprisingly useless:
) Meta stuff
) Personal rant and excuses for wishy washiness
) Partially caused by Prome if Prome took the TNT post seriously, but more excuses really. Flavor theory opposition i can agree with.
) Prome's fault. IRL stuff should be ignored unless looking for BC or something extremely urgent
) More excuses and some OMGUS in response to Prome's omgus
) Excuses
) Excuses
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Also while reading through that, I remembered that you (prome) had a case against him too that was addressed largely with (theme of his p1 filter) excuses.
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The major theme about page 1:
Excuses and a lack of strong stances/specific reasoning
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Believe this or don't: I was shocked to see that you had made a case (and i think kush made something much smaller) similar to mine:
The motivation he has is to establish himself as someone who can do whatever he wants without having to be questioned:
Something unusual? "part of my meta"
A suspicious change? "insert an excuse here" (e.g. "I'm always like this")
Essentially, he is establishing himself to do something (that could potentially be scummy) and choose to sheep straight after without having to be question.
I pretty much said the same thing twice.
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The potentially scummy act is probably something that he actually tried to conjure up without too much town input, but if this isn't in agreement with townie, he lets himself sheep.
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page 2 done.
On November 06 2012 06:31 mkfuba07 wrote:
I can't get anything in mafia done in five minutes, lol.
kush, you understand me so well it makes it hard to keep calling you an evil godfather or sk <3
I definitely don't want a no-lynch. Town only has so many opportunities to kill scum, and without a vig, or possibly a vig who saved his shot and is aiming at me tonight, I don't think no-lynching is the best call.
Draz is now second on my scumlist, and his participation since returning hasn't changed my view on him. I maintain that I would be more than willing to vote for kush, as his play this game seems very conducive to an SK playstyle imo. The pesky green check is getting in the way, though.
Since a kush lynch is pretty impossible at this moment, and most people have shown an aversion to lynching drazak today, I'm going to place my vote on hopeless1der. I was more convinced of his scumminess than towniness by Acro's case. Particularly the scummy mindset portion. My strongest opposition for a hope lynch is that drazak is also voting for him, but his wasn't a particularly strong case. I think hopeless has a stronger possibility of flipping scum than town.
##Vote hopeless1der
I haven't seen anything overtly scummy from Prome, but other people have a point in that today hasn't been as convincing of his towniness as D1 most certainly was.
Conveniently takes a stance when it's improbable to change the lynch. This isn't an excuse, but really, it is.
"I think hopeless has a stronger possibility of flipping scum than town" does not coincide with his previous reasoning that there was really no other option. Giving two different reasons for one action in only so much time: i see this as a lack of a train of thought, and therefore scummy.
Here the motivation is to establish himself as a townie without really having to do anything substantive. What i mean is that he doesn't hold himself particularly accountable to anything except for supporting one of his many suspects.
If i see some more pressure against Kush later, than the last statement is mitigated somewhat.
On November 06 2012 06:33 mkfuba07 wrote:
Oh, to avoid a no-lynch I will sheep my top town read: Acro. I'd rather not lynch him, but I think our chances of winning are greater as long as there is a lynch today.
Another reason. 3 reasons for one action that was supposedly made for 1. I see a motivation in that he wants to avoid being questioned for his vote.
On November 06 2012 06:34 mkfuba07 wrote:
EBWOP: I'd rather not lynch Prome today, but I think our chances of winning are greater as long as there is a lynch today.
in-post edit: I also think the wide array of votes at the moment could indicate scum trying to spread out the vote. That is another reason that I am willing to vote Prome.
Current list of want to lynch targets: kush, Draz, Hope, and prome. Mention 4 in less than 10 minutes.
On November 06 2012 06:41 mkfuba07 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 06:40 thrawn2112 wrote:On November 06 2012 06:39 drazak wrote:I don't want to vote for prom but I will if it means a lynch, I think he's town and anyone who thinks otherwise is probably scum  ( uh what do you guys think about lynching drazak I'm for it. ##Unvote
##Vote drazak
Insta-sheep.
On November 06 2012 06:56 mkfuba07 wrote:
Either people stop pointing out that I haven't responded to things quickly enough, or I keep telling everyone exactly why I take so long to write anything. One explains the other. There's no way around it. Stop telling me to stop telling the truth. Thanks.
sticking to his excuses. There is a plausibility when he has stuck this long, but in a community of distrust, there's really no trusting anyone so I see this as yet another excuse.
On November 06 2012 08:54 mkfuba07 wrote:
I don't know why, but something about draz is making me think he's actually town. Doesn't it seem like a really stupid move to pull that shit after having your vote parked on him all day? Like, I feel like his plan as scum would have been to bus hope, so why would he pull that shit right around the deadline? It would have been his whole purpose behind voting hope in the first place? Does that make sense?
A vague question, seems like bait. I see this as a post intended to get town talking about why Drazak did such a (i still think it's an incredibly meaningless and non-alignment-telling) thing instead of looking for scum and the rest of Draz's filter.
Conclusions: About 5 times shorter than the first page. Excuses still extant.
Doesn't look particularly wishy-washy at first but if you see that he gave himself 4 people on whom to put pressure, then you can see that ofc it's not going to look that way when it is indeed wishy-washy.
This page, it seemed as though he realized how bad he looked day 1 and tried to disguise himself.
Day1 trying to establish town through meta. Day2 trying to establish as town through conveniently townie-looking actions.
I'll iterate this again: Here the motivation is to establish himself as a townie without really having to do anything substantive. What i mean is that he doesn't hold himself particularly accountable to anything except for supporting one of his many suspects.
I'll be hittign the hay pretty soon. P3 and some of other people's filter will come tomorrow.
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On November 14 2012 02:07 kushm4sta wrote:Someone said "Release, stop wasting our time and surrender." This is not the response of town. It's the response of a scum with a never give up attitude. Why would town be "sorry"?
Your sarcasm detector has failed you.
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EBWOP: Still, you have done nothing.
Fuba is looking bad, but your are looking like draz. I'm up for a second godfather/sk if this doesn't improve.
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On November 14 2012 05:24 Promethelax wrote:
No way is there another SK, not enough kills.
Release, I enjoyed your Fuba monstrosity. Are you going to do something similar on other payers?
I think I probably won't do too much more of Fuba's filter.
There are a few things about Thrawn that need to be added, and a few things about DP's case with which i disagree.
I am pretty much doing this while assuming that no one is a confirmed town, so I have a feeling that Kush may have been SK who never killed (who knows really?)
Next big thing will probably be you or DP. Probably DP because i have interacted with him far less than i have, you.
And I'm thinking after that, if i have time, a check on Draz's and Hope's filter couldn't hurt.
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On November 12 2012 17:27 thrawn2112 wrote:
mmm i don't think i like a release lynch. i'm having the same issues with it now as I did before.. he's way too open with his thought processes for me to think he;'s scum
followed by
On November 13 2012 13:43 thrawn2112 wrote:
My thoughts haven't changed much. Prom = confirmed town ofc, I also think that kush and dp are town. I was wary of fuba but release has been on my radar all game, and his new name claim stuff is hard to believe. He said he originally claimed something else in order to silence the vt flavor discussion... I don't see how claiming a name that doesn't fit with the theory would make people talk less about the theory.
##Vote: Release
Before a vote, considering the previous statement, I would have expected a "what does release think about [name]"
My thought process has exonerated me once in Thrawn's eyes. But he doesn't give it a chance again.
I have a feeling he is satisfied with my thrawn is town and hopes to keep it that way.
Motivation behind this is to silence me from commenting on him and call it OMGUS if i do it in response to the vote.
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On November 11 2012 05:25 thrawn2112 wrote:
whatever, idgaf about this setup stuff. too many assumptions and too much missing info. plus it's no fun talking to myself about it
Setup unimportant. Keep this in mind.
On November 11 2012 05:47 thrawn2112 wrote:
Risk was roleblocked last night, and one person died. That means that either risk is scum, risk is sk, or risk is town and the sk didn't shoot or was roleblocked by somebody else. prom was the only other person roleblocked, but because he was roleblocked N1 that means he can't be the sk.
so that leaves 3 options: scum risk, sk risk, town risk along with an sk who didn't shoot during N3.
So who is the SK? It can't be dp or fuba, otherwise they lied about roleblocking kush/prom N2 and that would mean that kush/prom also lied about getting roleblocked. I'm not sk. Prom isn't sk because he was roleblocked N1.
SK LIST
risk
kush
release
If I had to guess at those.... kush or release as sk makes WAY more sense than risk. Kush has been bluehunting all game, and release has been acting like he's got something to hide. Out of the only 3 players who could possibly be sk, risk makes the least sense. So now I'm down to two options.... scum risk or town risk with an sk who didn't make a kill N3. I'm thinking sum risk.
BTW, If there's a town vig reading this then FUCK YOU
Right now, here is what I think happened. Risk is the last scum and was roleblocked N3. Kush is the sk and took out acro N3.
chooses kush over me as the not-a-town target
On November 11 2012 06:06 thrawn2112 wrote:here's clarification in case that was hard to follow: Risk was roleblocked. That leaves only three options. Risk is scum and the sk killed acro Risk is sk and scum killed acro Risk is town and sk didn't kill for whatever reason (by choice or roleblock) Only risk/release/kush can possibly be sk. + Show Spoiler [sk list] +So who is the SK? It can't be dp or fuba, otherwise they lied about roleblocking kush/prom N2 and that would mean that kush/prom also lied about getting roleblocked. I'm not sk. Prom isn't sk because he was roleblocked N1.
SK LIST
risk
kush
release risk makes the least sense out of those. The story of who roleblocked who from N3 matches up. There are two candidates who are very likely to be SK. Release and kush were both roleblocked the night no kills took place, and they have both been displaying sk-like behavior. (kush's blue hunting and release's guiltiness) I REALLY think that the sk is either release or kush. So now we get down to this: Risk is scum and the sk killed acro Risk is town and sk didn't kill for whatever reason (by choice or roleblock) The story of who roleblocked who from N3 matches up. Because I think that the sk is either release OR kush, and neither of them got roleblocked during N3, then I think that the sk did in fact kill acro. Out of the three options I listed at the start of this post, there is only one left: Risk is scum and the sk killed acro. What I think = Risk is scum and kush killed acro.
essentially the same (kush is not-town instead of a release is not-town)
On November 11 2012 06:27 thrawn2112 wrote:
f dis setup
one more setup unimportant
On November 11 2012 11:46 thrawn2112 wrote:
yeah i'd like to know as well
@risk your best bet is to make a case on someone that doesn't include setup speculation. or if it does include setup speculation it better be a damning case.
one more setup unimportant
On November 12 2012 05:02 thrawn2112 wrote:
so the thing that most people think makes kush the sk was the vt hunting... but that whole flavor theory was based off the fact that kush was comparing claimed vt flavor names against his "own." so if we collectively decide that shooting for sk is a better option than lynching risk then I might be persuaded to vote for release.
readying himself to vote for me. Wishy-washy without real contribution
Already proved this was based on faulty reasoning (fake-claims)
On November 12 2012 15:11 thrawn2112 wrote:
acro roleblocked risk, so acro's death came from mafia kp. prom was roleblocked, so he's not mafia. there is no way in all of fuck that I'm going to vote for prom. I really think darthpunk is town but I'll reevaluate that read between now and the deadline. kush can only be mafia if there are 2 godfathers and a goon in a setup with a million blue roleblockers. that leaves me with...
release
fuba
hmm...
darthpunk, why did you jail prom instead of acro n3?
Kush is exonerated based on setup specualtion after 3 posts about the uselessness of setup speculation.
Inconsistency.
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disagreement with dp:
When he says "what do you think about lynching draz/release" i have a feeling it is semi-obvious bait.
Editbeforepost: However, after writing that, i have a feeling that it is supposed to look like semi-obvious bait when it is actually a stance and an attempt to start a bandwagon. I'm wifoming myself into oblivion now.
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out of time. Back in 5-6 hours.
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in class: quick comment: "im wifoming..." doesn't mean anything significant. I stand by the look like bait but is actually stance
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On November 13 2012 08:03 mkfuba07 wrote:
So... lynch Release?
On November 13 2012 08:04 mkfuba07 wrote:
##Vote Release
On November 14 2012 11:01 mkfuba07 wrote:
I'm still going through thrawn's filter (sorry I'm so slow, I'm not even sure I'll be adding much to what DP said), but I'm not sure what to think from Release's big cases. He hasn't given up despite the fact that we've made it clear that we're lynching him, which initially made me inch back towards town. The problem is that scum would probably do that as well. The situation feels similar to when I switched off of drazak earlier this game. The fact that I know his entire case against me is incorrect doesn't make me sway either way, as I think it could be made by town or scum. I guess a summary would be... initially townish, but in the end null.
On November 14 2012 12:06 mkfuba07 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 11:32 thrawn2112 wrote:i think I want to lynch mkfuba. Every point in this game where I've thought about lynching release, I always hit a roadblock because he is extremely open with his thought process and it's be really difficult to keep that up as scum On November 14 2012 11:01 mkfuba07 wrote:
I'm still going through thrawn's filter (sorry I'm so slow, I'm not even sure I'll be adding much to what DP said), but I'm not sure what to think from Release's big cases. He hasn't given up despite the fact that we've made it clear that we're lynching him, which initially made me inch back towards town. The problem is that scum would probably do that as well. The situation feels similar to when I switched off of drazak earlier this game. The fact that I know his entire case against me is incorrect doesn't make me sway either way, as I think it could be made by town or scum. I guess a summary would be... initially townish, but in the end null. This is en extremely wish washy post... all I really get from it is that you think release might be a null read. I'm really doubting the high number of blues we have, and on top of what I've already said before about fuba, his claim is the hardest to accept. He only claimed a role that makes him responsible for 1 roleblock, and there could be any number of reasons why a scum fuba would have known that it would be a safe claim to make. The breadcrumb was basically non existent. Also, wtf kush I thought you thought I was town all game long... this is how easily you're willing to switch your vote? I see nothing wrong with my post. It explains my reasoning. His cases had little impact on my thoughts of him. How is my claim the hardest to accept? My claim leaves an indication that something has happened. I said I jailed prome, and prome was roleblocked and didn't die, which I maintain was a likelihood N2. This is supported by the fact that there were 0 deaths. Your claim is impossible to verify at all. You crumbed a role that you could fakeclaim as scum with no possible downside unless you claim the bulletproof sk is town, and which leaves no evidence that anyone did anything. If I was scum roleblocker, why would I claim 1-shot jailer? It doesn't make any sense. Yours is the easiest fakeclaim. You say there could be any number of reasons for scum me to know what the SK was doing N2? Please name one. And breadcrumbs are non-indicative of alignment. Anyone can crumb anything. If I was scum planning on fakeclaiming, I'm pretty sure I'd be MORE likely to have a well-written crumb. Anyway, I trust prome, and I trust DP. If the scum wasn't release, it would have to be thrawn. I'm up for a lynch on either. The order is irrelevant to me. ##Unvote
##Vote thrawn2112This may be slightly motivated by a need to be right when I called thrawn scum N2.
At first i saw this as an inconsistency(scum --nochange-->null?) but upon further inspection, I see it as poor word followed by clarification (scum --(case=null)nochange--> still scum).
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On November 14 2012 11:32 thrawn2112 wrote:i think I want to lynch mkfuba. Every point in this game where I've thought about lynching release, I always hit a roadblock because he is extremely open with his thought process and it's be really difficult to keep that up as scum Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 11:01 mkfuba07 wrote:
I'm still going through thrawn's filter (sorry I'm so slow, I'm not even sure I'll be adding much to what DP said), but I'm not sure what to think from Release's big cases. He hasn't given up despite the fact that we've made it clear that we're lynching him, which initially made me inch back towards town. The problem is that scum would probably do that as well. The situation feels similar to when I switched off of drazak earlier this game. The fact that I know his entire case against me is incorrect doesn't make me sway either way, as I think it could be made by town or scum. I guess a summary would be... initially townish, but in the end null. This is en extremely wish washy post... all I really get from it is that you think release might be a null read. I'm really doubting the high number of blues we have, and on top of what I've already said before about fuba, his claim is the hardest to accept. He only claimed a role that makes him responsible for 1 roleblock, and there could be any number of reasons why a scum fuba would have known that it would be a safe claim to make. The breadcrumb was basically non existent. Also, wtf kush I thought you thought I was town all game long... this is how easily you're willing to switch your vote?
This I immediately recognized as a desperate attempt to capitalize on something rather insignificant:
The post is far to unclear as to whether the null refers to me or the case i made (it was actually the case) and Thrawn automatically makes it out to be me, something that would imply the guilt of Fuba without giving fuba a chance to clarify(which he did in the next post) and you immediately switch to something else to implicate fuba.
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On November 14 2012 12:46 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 12:42 thrawn2112 wrote:
dont worry everyone have no fear, i shall find out which of you voting for me is the asshole It is me, the asshole is always me.
The "me" should be an "I." Apparently assholes aren't good at using grammar.
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Well prome, you have basically done what you promised to do(force town to be active and actually get things done).
This pretty much matches exactly what a gods town atmosphere should be.
The shift was very quick and forceful: result of astrong case no doubt.
I feel that this happened very reasonably considering everyone is online and actually discussing it.
And I feel that it has caused thrawn to fall off his game and slip.
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Silly iPod. Good not gods
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Why can't dP rb me again? I don't see anything about it in the OP.
Straight up question for clarification
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Just thinking, in the MYLo situation, we'd want a lynch (contrary to typical mylo) because you would die in the night. Fuba and I would vote each other and we'd put an awful lot of faith in kush( more than I am willing) considering his trolling behavior
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Off that is only going to happen if thrawn is green.
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