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Well That game was super fun and I loved the format.
Thanks so much to Blazinghand for the invite and for hosting such an awesome game. Hapa town MVP for pushing marv to commit suicide and for his many early and correct town reads also.
Watching Marv make cases on the two blues in the game was kinda funny.
It was a pleasure to play with such an active and engaged town. And with a heap of strong townies. Though it made the game somewhat strange as I had so many more town reads than usual.
GG
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On October 25 2012 12:46 Keirathi wrote:So, I just want to comment on a few things: First off, sorry about my lack of activity/effort for most of day 1. I'm sure you don't want to hear about my problems, but it was basically Family Hell weekend. + Show Spoiler [Short version] +I had 2 cousins and an aunt all put into the hospital in Intensive Care between Saturday morning and Sunday evening. Couple that with my grandpa being 90 years old and not able to really take care of himself, so he has to have someone stay with him at his house 24/7. My aunts/uncles/mom usually do it, but with everyone in the hospital, I was basically spending 10-12 hours a day sitting with him. It really cut into my ability to put in effort. I posted half or more of all of my posts this game from my phone while sitting at his house :o Regarding the ZB "99.9% sure" thing: Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 08:02 austinmcc wrote:On October 21 2012 06:24 Z-BosoN wrote: lol, my vote was a pre-game joke. ##Unvote Let's not die guys. This game will take forever if it's this inactive. Austin, you've played with Kei in liquid city. What do you make of him? I don't remember kei in LC tbh. I was mostly inactive D1, came back looking at those couple specific people, died before I had a good handle on the full game. Kei from Aperture 2 I feel like is a solid townie as far as being active, looking town, once the game starts. Not...the type of player who takes advantage of that, though? Basically was the towniest person in game, was going to get protection, but kind of let spammier people take over and direct the flow of the game, and noticed that that was happening (kei, your game was much more fun when we were scumhunting than claiming/solving the game bit). I expect some good and insightful posts from him, but I haven't seen him be particularly aggressive. I think we also played...rockband? And maybe another game? I'll have to look through. I don't have a big meta handle on keirathi, but I'm also not generally good at catching people via meta or even USING meta. I mainly focus on picking out odd questions, or questions that never got pursued. That seems to be when I'm most effective, and so I'm going to try and mine the thread hard for things that stick out. Austin hit the nail on the head, here. I'm generally fairly okay at looking town, at least past day 1 when I really get into my stride. But, I am not a leader. Never have been, don't think I ever will be. I've quite often made strong cases that have gone completely ignored because I just don't have the personality to force the issue. So, by saying 99.9% sure that ZB was scum, I was forcing people to look at my case, look at me, look at ZB and give opinions. I don't shy away from people being suspicious of me. I generally try to say things that make me seem town, but I felt like I really had to do something because I was super suspicious of DP but didn't have the town cred to get people to care. Once people started discussing it with me, my read moved back a fair amount, although I was still suspicious of ZB until end-game ![](/mirror/smilies/puh2.gif)
When were you suspicious of me? or was that a typo?
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Debears. YOu thought the same as me about Draz. WE are either both good or both terrible. You decide. ![](/mirror/smilies/smile.gif)
P.S. Thanks for cheering for me!
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promethelax 10-23-2012 09:02 PM ET (US) If they are both town I will go buy a hat, eat said hat and post pictures. (I'm not a lier like VE)
HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH
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LOL. I was confirmed town in the eyes of the oBS QT yay for me
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Sorry for outing you as medic draz. BUt I thought you were scum and your 'crumb' was really weird. If you read the obs QT both promethelax and Debears wanted to lynch you too for almost the same reasons as I. So in another game with different players I could see you being mislynched as medic 0_o
Some suggestions would be to not sheep so hard/be wishy-washy and don't be afraid to take a stance and stick to it even if everyone thinks you're wrong.
I stick to things all the time. Even when people think I am being Retarded. (even if they say it nicely <3 Austin)
Also I don't think outing the medic was that big a deal. (OFC it was bad but in the grand scheme of things) I stopped looking at draz as a serious candidate after that and due to the small amount of players and how townie everyone was looking it really narrowed the suspects down with draz out of the picture, also meant that scum would have to use a shot on him and hapa would be alive longer to tear them apart. I would rather scummy draz make a save and then have to get shot than waste a lynch on him. meh.
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It will be nice to have a short break from mafia whilst I wait for another game to start.
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On October 26 2012 08:01 Promethelax wrote: Not just that, we saw his crumbs, his blue tells and his everything else and still found him scummy. DP, you had a good case, I was sad you dropped it. I would have wanted him to claim outright since that would mean that mafia would be forced to kill him or if he lived I could just lynch him. This is the reasoning behind me dropping the case on Draz. If he was medic, scum are going to night kill him. As we get closer to lylo it would be increasingly risky to keep him alive. If he was still alive later in the game I was going to go all out for his blood. But I thought it would be better to drop it for now and see if he got night killed. Rather than potentially waste a lynch on him. If you know what I mean?
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On October 26 2012 08:01 Promethelax wrote: Not just that, we saw his crumbs, his blue tells and his everything else and still found him scummy. DP, you had a good case, I was sad you dropped it. I would have wanted him to claim outright since that would mean that mafia would be forced to kill him or if he lived I could just lynch him.
Also I almost did ask him to claim outright ROFL. I asked him if he was trying to crumb medic. I was beside myself at that point. So I took a shower and thought about it and decided to drop it for now.
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On October 26 2012 08:10 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2012 08:08 DarthPunk wrote:On October 26 2012 08:01 Promethelax wrote: Not just that, we saw his crumbs, his blue tells and his everything else and still found him scummy. DP, you had a good case, I was sad you dropped it. I would have wanted him to claim outright since that would mean that mafia would be forced to kill him or if he lived I could just lynch him. This is the reasoning behind me dropping the case on Draz. If he was medic, scum are going to night kill him. As we get closer to lylo it would be increasingly risky to keep him alive. If he was still alive later in the game I was going to go all out for his blood. But I thought it would be better to drop it for now and see if he got night killed. Rather than potentially waste a lynch on him. If you know what I mean? Right, but what I was saying is that I would want to pressure him into claiming fully. If he is scum that gives him less wiggle room and makes sure that mafia know he is medic (in case the mafia is one of those lurky/don't-read-the-thread types).
Yeah you are right. But at that point to me he had already claimed medic. And then Austin told me to STFU. So that is part of it too I guess.
One of the other reasons I stopped pushing him was that I thought that if he was fake claiming the real medic would do the pushing and If I quieted down I would be able to see that person pushing easier.
I actually thought Austin was the medic if draz was scum. And that is why he told me to STFU about the medic speculation and also why he was pushing draz despite the obvious medic 'claim'.
But perhaps you are right and I should have forced the issue. I can definitely see the advantages in that. Forcing scum to not risk it and kill draz over hapa/austin/marv would actually be a decent outcome.
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On October 26 2012 08:18 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2012 08:16 DarthPunk wrote:On October 26 2012 08:10 Promethelax wrote:On October 26 2012 08:08 DarthPunk wrote:On October 26 2012 08:01 Promethelax wrote: Not just that, we saw his crumbs, his blue tells and his everything else and still found him scummy. DP, you had a good case, I was sad you dropped it. I would have wanted him to claim outright since that would mean that mafia would be forced to kill him or if he lived I could just lynch him. This is the reasoning behind me dropping the case on Draz. If he was medic, scum are going to night kill him. As we get closer to lylo it would be increasingly risky to keep him alive. If he was still alive later in the game I was going to go all out for his blood. But I thought it would be better to drop it for now and see if he got night killed. Rather than potentially waste a lynch on him. If you know what I mean? Right, but what I was saying is that I would want to pressure him into claiming fully. If he is scum that gives him less wiggle room and makes sure that mafia know he is medic (in case the mafia is one of those lurky/don't-read-the-thread types). Yeah you are right. But at that point to me he had already claimed medic. And then Austin told me to STFU. So that is part of it too I guess. One of the other reasons I stopped pushing him was that I thought that if he was fake claiming the real medic would do the pushing and If I quieted down I would be able to see that person pushing easier. I actually thought Austin was the medic if draz was scum. And that is why he told me to STFU about the medic speculation and also why he was pushing draz despite the obvious medic 'claim'. But perhaps you are right and I should have forced the issue. I can definitely see the advantages in that. Forcing scum to not risk it and kill draz over hapa/austin/marv would actually be a decent outcome. Exactly. I have no evidence that my way is better though. I just prefer when the super scummy dude is a prime mafia target. I don't really like power roles all that much, I value good townie green dudes > shitty scummy blue dudes
Yeha. Forcing scum to night kill the lynch bait. Love it.
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On October 26 2012 08:21 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2012 08:08 DarthPunk wrote:On October 26 2012 08:01 Promethelax wrote: Not just that, we saw his crumbs, his blue tells and his everything else and still found him scummy. DP, you had a good case, I was sad you dropped it. I would have wanted him to claim outright since that would mean that mafia would be forced to kill him or if he lived I could just lynch him. This is the reasoning behind me dropping the case on Draz. If he was medic, scum are going to night kill him. As we get closer to lylo it would be increasingly risky to keep him alive. If he was still alive later in the game I was going to go all out for his blood. But I thought it would be better to drop it for now and see if he got night killed. Rather than potentially waste a lynch on him. If you know what I mean? I thought about some of this and actually DIDN'T post it to thread. Assuming there was a save N1, mafia could kill the medic N2 if he claimed but didn't need to. Can't protect the same target 2x in a row, so they could kill whoever they wanted dead N1 on N2, and then kill the medic N3 IF they were that concerned with the medic. Either way, there's a confirmed townie living til N3 (Either the medic or his protect). Either way, both the medic and the protect are dead after N3, but the outed medic can't affect NKs so long as mafia still wants to kill the N1 target and the medic over other choices.
But scum would have read that post by draz and gone MEDIC OMG. They know he is town remember? So the only thing we accomplished by STFU is to deny ourselves clarity on who the protect was.
The more I think about it the more I agree with Promes position on this.
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