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Wow, thread blew up in the last 30 minutes :o
With no roleblock, and no NK, I'm pretty damn convinced that Hapa is BoxeR. If someone counterclaims him, I'll reconsider, but for now Hapa is basically confirmed town.
I still feel reasonably confident in the meta read of marv. His defense was solid, but that's expected no matter what alignment marv is. I just can't shake the feeling that he is playing off of his normal town game.
I'm not 100% confident that marv is scum, but even if we lynch someone else today, we're going to be in this same exact situation tomorrow with marv still alive, and possibly Hapa dead (depending on who the medic protected last night).
Since he's still my top read, and I don't think there is any way to avoid lynching marv at some point (because I don't think scum would NK him at this point), I would rather not have to lynch him in LYLO just in case he actually IS town.
##Vote: marvellosity
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I don't think I'm wasting a lynch. But if I AM wrong, better to be wrong now than in LYLO.
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On October 25 2012 10:04 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 09:54 iamperfection wrote:On October 25 2012 09:48 DarthPunk wrote:Got back and catching up. ONe thing stuck out to me about marv's defense. I'm not sure if this has been covered or not cause I haven;t caught up yet but I'll put it out there anyway. On October 25 2012 05:47 marvellosity wrote:
I think one of the only things I've seen on me with relation to this game was how 'sure' I seemed on vader. But from my original case on vader to when I hammered - there was a long time in between. Mainly because I wanted to get discussion going, give town more time to discuss things, give vader time to post and redeem himself. Marv did not Hammer V7. Z-Boson did. But that got me thinking. Marv always fucking micromanages his scum buddies as scum. He HATES not being in control. So what if he told ZB to hammer and in his mind HE Hammered V7 because he is the one calling the shots. And this has slipped out. Anyway. I thought it was weird. Gonna keep reading. Why did you think you were going to live and why was your reaction to call me stupid. You of all people should know calling me stupid is not the right response if your town. I thought I would live because I am probably one of the weakest players in this game. I didn't call you stupid. I said your case was shit. Which it was.
You're definitely not one of the weakest players in this game. But, you would probably be shot behind town marv and/or town Hapa. Maybe me, too, depending on if marv is scum or not (in general). But, I completely agree, the likelihood of you being alive today was higher than the likelihood of you being dead.
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On October 25 2012 10:19 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 10:15 Keirathi wrote:On October 25 2012 10:04 DarthPunk wrote:On October 25 2012 09:54 iamperfection wrote:On October 25 2012 09:48 DarthPunk wrote:Got back and catching up. ONe thing stuck out to me about marv's defense. I'm not sure if this has been covered or not cause I haven;t caught up yet but I'll put it out there anyway. On October 25 2012 05:47 marvellosity wrote:
I think one of the only things I've seen on me with relation to this game was how 'sure' I seemed on vader. But from my original case on vader to when I hammered - there was a long time in between. Mainly because I wanted to get discussion going, give town more time to discuss things, give vader time to post and redeem himself. Marv did not Hammer V7. Z-Boson did. But that got me thinking. Marv always fucking micromanages his scum buddies as scum. He HATES not being in control. So what if he told ZB to hammer and in his mind HE Hammered V7 because he is the one calling the shots. And this has slipped out. Anyway. I thought it was weird. Gonna keep reading. Why did you think you were going to live and why was your reaction to call me stupid. You of all people should know calling me stupid is not the right response if your town. I thought I would live because I am probably one of the weakest players in this game. I didn't call you stupid. I said your case was shit. Which it was. You're definitely not one of the weakest players in this game. But, you would probably be shot behind town marv and/or town Hapa. Maybe me, too, depending on if marv is scum or not (in general). But, I completely agree, the likelihood of you being alive today was higher than the likelihood of you being dead. Exactly. Hapa, Marv, You, Austin. All bigger threats and all more likely to get shot. IMO.
Oh yea, austin too. Although arguably you would have been shot before me after my shitty day 1 performance 
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On October 25 2012 10:19 DarthPunk wrote:
Does anyone want to comment on marv outing ZB as his scum buddy?
It's an interesting thought. Its a pretty huge leap to make though. I wouldn't lynch ZB for that, specifically.
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On October 25 2012 10:24 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 10:15 Keirathi wrote:On October 25 2012 10:04 DarthPunk wrote:On October 25 2012 09:54 iamperfection wrote:On October 25 2012 09:48 DarthPunk wrote:Got back and catching up. ONe thing stuck out to me about marv's defense. I'm not sure if this has been covered or not cause I haven;t caught up yet but I'll put it out there anyway. On October 25 2012 05:47 marvellosity wrote:
I think one of the only things I've seen on me with relation to this game was how 'sure' I seemed on vader. But from my original case on vader to when I hammered - there was a long time in between. Mainly because I wanted to get discussion going, give town more time to discuss things, give vader time to post and redeem himself. Marv did not Hammer V7. Z-Boson did. But that got me thinking. Marv always fucking micromanages his scum buddies as scum. He HATES not being in control. So what if he told ZB to hammer and in his mind HE Hammered V7 because he is the one calling the shots. And this has slipped out. Anyway. I thought it was weird. Gonna keep reading. Why did you think you were going to live and why was your reaction to call me stupid. You of all people should know calling me stupid is not the right response if your town. I thought I would live because I am probably one of the weakest players in this game. I didn't call you stupid. I said your case was shit. Which it was. You're definitely not one of the weakest players in this game. But, you would probably be shot behind town marv and/or town Hapa. Maybe me, too, depending on if marv is scum or not (in general). But, I completely agree, the likelihood of you being alive today was higher than the likelihood of you being dead. At first I was like  Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 10:22 Keirathi wrote:On October 25 2012 10:19 DarthPunk wrote:On October 25 2012 10:15 Keirathi wrote:On October 25 2012 10:04 DarthPunk wrote:On October 25 2012 09:54 iamperfection wrote:On October 25 2012 09:48 DarthPunk wrote:Got back and catching up. ONe thing stuck out to me about marv's defense. I'm not sure if this has been covered or not cause I haven;t caught up yet but I'll put it out there anyway. On October 25 2012 05:47 marvellosity wrote:
I think one of the only things I've seen on me with relation to this game was how 'sure' I seemed on vader. But from my original case on vader to when I hammered - there was a long time in between. Mainly because I wanted to get discussion going, give town more time to discuss things, give vader time to post and redeem himself. Marv did not Hammer V7. Z-Boson did. But that got me thinking. Marv always fucking micromanages his scum buddies as scum. He HATES not being in control. So what if he told ZB to hammer and in his mind HE Hammered V7 because he is the one calling the shots. And this has slipped out. Anyway. I thought it was weird. Gonna keep reading. Why did you think you were going to live and why was your reaction to call me stupid. You of all people should know calling me stupid is not the right response if your town. I thought I would live because I am probably one of the weakest players in this game. I didn't call you stupid. I said your case was shit. Which it was. You're definitely not one of the weakest players in this game. But, you would probably be shot behind town marv and/or town Hapa. Maybe me, too, depending on if marv is scum or not (in general). But, I completely agree, the likelihood of you being alive today was higher than the likelihood of you being dead. Exactly. Hapa, Marv, You, Austin. All bigger threats and all more likely to get shot. IMO. Oh yea, austin too. Although arguably you would have been shot before me after my shitty day 1 performance But then I was like 
Yea yea, sorry. You are quite good at being towny mctownpants and getting shot
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Just for clarification: Do blocked night hits via medic give a hit notice?
I assume not (most games don't except for Vets), but doesn't hurt to ask.
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On October 25 2012 10:26 Hapahauli wrote:
Austin I'm curious - have you ever played a scum game?
Only Aperture 2, I think.
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On October 25 2012 10:31 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 10:29 austinmcc wrote:On October 25 2012 10:26 Hapahauli wrote:
Austin I'm curious - have you ever played a scum game? Aperture 2 is the only scum game I've played. Ruined my streak of townieness. Oh fuck you were scum in that game? Well shit that terrifies me. Will have to look into that.
I looked back through it a bit, and its just hard to draw parallels because of how different the setup was, but one huge difference that I remember: while austin's scumbuddy iamperfection was being wagoned on day1, austin spent a ton of time making cases on other people and trying to round up support for a counterwagon, which he never got. Pretty starkly different from marv dying, here.
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Austin: you 100% ignore everything marv said about Drazak and decide if he's lynchable for the things hes done on his own.
WIFOM wars about shit like that isn't going to help anything.
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On October 25 2012 10:45 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 10:01 DarthPunk wrote:On October 25 2012 09:15 austinmcc wrote:
Z-Bo and DP (as noted ^) haven't been active since marv posted, I'm holding off to give them a chance to speak their minds if there's anything crazy they want to say.
Otherwise, I'm willing to hammer. I live in australia. I was asleep :/ but GJ i knew this lame as excuse was familiar Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 07:22 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 06:23 iamperfection wrote:On October 18 2012 06:19 risk.nuke wrote:
No, Please let it be me. what you think of darth punk and zbos guys that have had a lot of activity and now all of sudden seem to have disappeared today. Maybe like a rational human being he thinks I live in australia and only just woke up. Guess the alignment + Show Spoiler +I dont think a town player should assume he is going to live and his remark here instantly reminded me of liquid city. Even if its true it has the same tone and feel as liquid city. I think dp is the final scum.
##vote iamperfection
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Anyways, on a serious note:
On October 25 2012 09:20 marvellosity wrote:
gg.
didn't have the heart for it this game and knew i was playing awfully but could do nothing about it.
wish i hadn't bothered defending myself though, what a waste of my time.
##Vote: marvellosity
Marv seems to have known he was going to be lynched, or at least come damn close to being lynched, for quite some time. I feel like one of the people on his vote is probably scum, bussing for that bit of town cred. iamp and drazak both jumped on with weak explanations, so they're who I'm particularly interested in right now.
ZB as an outside shot 3rd option.
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On October 25 2012 10:53 drazak wrote:
What? I'd have to have been jumping on really quick to the bus, I was the first vote after hapa. Besides, based on everything Ihear about marv, I'd think he'd be more likely to bus me than get bussed himself.
After my thoughts + Hapa's case, marv was in a really bad spot. There really was very little chance he was coming back from that, tbh, unless he was actually town. Scum marv was caught.
It would have made sense for him to say in scum QT: "Bus me now. I'm dead."
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On October 25 2012 10:55 DarthPunk wrote:
so here are my current thoughts
Hapa - Town
Austin - Town
Keir - Town
Drazak - Probably town Aww fuck it. I was already stupid enough to mention this when it was so WTF I didn't believe it. It's in my filter like a retard. Anyway I think this guy is the medic and his crumb was really weird looking so I pushed him on it and then realised what I was looking at. My bad.
Myself - Town
That leaves Iamp and ZB as scum candidates in my mind.
Both have pretty good cases against them already (Perfection not so much but he has been acting generally scummy)
ZB there was a lot of discussion on before. His meta etc. Which still stands as far as I am concerned. People's town reads of him have been based on activity and that's about it. He was still my number one read before the hapa case and with Draz probably townie He is the My largest scum read by far. He was the only one aside from myself who didn't vote marv. I was asleep. I don't know what ZB's excuse is.
Add to that he preaches caution and reading when telling everyone to delay on hammering marv. And then throws caution to the wind and says he is going to tunnel his previous solid town read for no fucking reason. In his very next post.
austin didn't vote marv either
I still think austin is town though.
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@DP:
You spent way too many words replying to that. No one was going to buy into that bullshit
It's quite clear that you live in Australia and play on a different schedule.
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On October 25 2012 11:23 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 11:19 Hapahauli wrote:
Okay I lost it for no reason at that picture Not as much as I lost it with those baby seal picks in liquid city. OMG> Ima go look at them again right now.
Hahahaha that was great fun
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Anyways, I'm pretty sure we should be lynching iamperfection tomorrow.
Look at how little marv was actually willing to say about him. Only when directly asked multiple times did he give a "kinda townie" read on him.
And then look at how iamperfection starts raging when I called him out for actually defending himself. Like I said, town iamperfection doesn't give a fuck what you think of him. He just rolls with the flow of the game and does whatever the fuck he pleases, and basically never apologizes. Also, his tone as slipped into his careful scum tone rather than his playful "who cares" townie tone that he had early on in day 1.
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So, I just want to comment on a few things:
First off, sorry about my lack of activity/effort for most of day 1. I'm sure you don't want to hear about my problems, but it was basically Family Hell weekend. + Show Spoiler [Short version] +I had 2 cousins and an aunt all put into the hospital in Intensive Care between Saturday morning and Sunday evening. Couple that with my grandpa being 90 years old and not able to really take care of himself, so he has to have someone stay with him at his house 24/7. My aunts/uncles/mom usually do it, but with everyone in the hospital, I was basically spending 10-12 hours a day sitting with him. It really cut into my ability to put in effort. I posted half or more of all of my posts this game from my phone while sitting at his house :o I actually talked with BH during the night about possibly replacing out, and he was accommodating and understand and offered to let me, but in the end I decided to stick it out because at least it gave me something to do while I was at my grandpas, even if I wasn't quite playing up to my own standards.
Regarding the ZB "99.9% sure" thing:
On October 21 2012 08:02 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 06:24 Z-BosoN wrote:
lol, my vote was a pre-game joke.
##Unvote
Let's not die guys. This game will take forever if it's this inactive.
Austin, you've played with Kei in liquid city. What do you make of him? I don't remember kei in LC tbh. I was mostly inactive D1, came back looking at those couple specific people, died before I had a good handle on the full game. Kei from Aperture 2 I feel like is a solid townie as far as being active, looking town, once the game starts. Not...the type of player who takes advantage of that, though? Basically was the towniest person in game, was going to get protection, but kind of let spammier people take over and direct the flow of the game, and noticed that that was happening (kei, your game was much more fun when we were scumhunting than claiming/solving the game bit). I expect some good and insightful posts from him, but I haven't seen him be particularly aggressive. I think we also played...rockband? And maybe another game? I'll have to look through. I don't have a big meta handle on keirathi, but I'm also not generally good at catching people via meta or even USING meta. I mainly focus on picking out odd questions, or questions that never got pursued. That seems to be when I'm most effective, and so I'm going to try and mine the thread hard for things that stick out.
Austin hit the nail on the head, here. I'm generally fairly okay at looking town, at least past day 1 when I really get into my stride. But, I am not a leader. Never have been, don't think I ever will be. I've quite often made strong cases that have gone completely ignored because I just don't have the personality to force the issue.
So, by saying 99.9% sure that ZB was scum, I was forcing people to look at my case, look at me, look at ZB and give opinions. I don't shy away from people being suspicious of me. I generally try to say things that make me seem town, but I felt like I really had to do something because I was super suspicious of ZB but didn't have the town cred to get people to care. Once people started discussing it with me, my read moved back a fair amount, although I was still suspicious of ZB until end-game
Edit: Also, an interesting read, if anyone is interested: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=sF5LCn46 Its an irc log from me and marv after LC about my meta read on him that caused me to conclude that Kush was town. Notice that his game, he hard defended iamperfection Granted, that probably has less to do with my ability to read him, and more to do with the 2 scum setup.
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