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[QUOTE]On October 23 2012 03:30 Z-BosoN wrote:
DP, that's a real bad tell.
From liquid city:
[QUOTE]On October 14 2012 08:23 Z-BosoN wrote:
[QUOTE]On October 14 2012 08:16 iamperfection wrote:
[QUOTE]On October 14 2012 08:14 Z-BosoN wrote:
DP is my top scumread, I've been trying to push him since forever, but no one seems to find him scummy, so =/[/QUOTE]
shaopi is voting for dp.[/QUOTE]
Yea that's making me uneasy on who to vote.
The biggest tagline of my voting on ShiaoPi is being useless with a fair possibility of being scum.
The biggest tagline of me wanting to vote DP is that I actually find him scum.[/QUOTE]
Open the spoilers and you find this [QUOTE]On October 14 2012 08:14 Z-BosoN wrote:
DP is my top scumread, I've been trying to push him since forever, but no one seems to find him scummy, so =/[/QUOTE]
This right here vindicates what I have been saying all along, This is exactly what I would expect ZB to be doing rather than ninja sheeping onto V7.
[QUOTE]On October 23 2012 03:30 Z-BosoN wrote:
Also, I don't get why people are thinking I'm sheeping. First of all, there's not really much to say on v7.
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Maybe because V7 became his number one scum read out of friggin nowhere. Maybe because he was willing to lynch him despite expending so little effort on V7 and much more effort elsewhere. Maybe because ZB whines when he has to vote for a lurker and much prefers others lynching to his cases rather than sheeping others cases. Maybe Because he hammers like a retard when he is the counter wagon.
OMERGAHD I am so mad right now.
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On October 23 2012 03:30 Z-BosoN wrote:
DP, that's a real bad tell.
From liquid city:
On October 14 2012 08:23 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 08:16 iamperfection wrote:On October 14 2012 08:14 Z-BosoN wrote:
DP is my top scumread, I've been trying to push him since forever, but no one seems to find him scummy, so =/ shaopi is voting for dp. Yea that's making me uneasy on who to vote. The biggest tagline of my voting on ShiaoPi is being useless with a fair possibility of being scum. The biggest tagline of me wanting to vote DP is that I actually find him scum.
Open the spoilers and you find this On October 14 2012 08:14 Z-BosoN wrote:
DP is my top scumread, I've been trying to push him since forever, but no one seems to find him scummy, so =/
This right here vindicates what I have been saying all along, This is exactly what I would expect ZB to be doing rather than ninja sheeping onto V7.
On October 23 2012 03:30 Z-BosoN wrote:
Also, I don't get why people are thinking I'm sheeping. First of all, there's not really much to say on v7.
Maybe because V7 became his number one scum read out of friggin nowhere. Maybe because he was willing to lynch him despite expending so little effort on V7 and much more effort elsewhere. Maybe because ZB whines when he has to vote for a lurker and much prefers others lynching to his cases rather than sheeping others cases. Maybe Because he hammers like a retard when he is the counter wagon.
OMERGAHD I am so mad right now.
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On October 23 2012 10:13 iamperfection wrote:
i did not do that on purpose that actually just happened.
Ah. Perfection.
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On October 23 2012 10:24 marvellosity wrote:iamp, living up to his name like a baws. DP, do you think this post is faked then? It's only a little thing but his "go away, shoo" makes me think he's town. If he was playing the angry scum act, that would be so out of place. I'm inclined to think that Z-Bo is town and just derped with what he splurged on the thread in his hammer vote. The meta you're bringing up - you're neglecting to take into account that the stuff you're quoting was like Day 4 in a full-sized normal vs Day 1 in a mini. This leads to significant differences in the sureness of reads and what someone pushes. I for one know I play significantly more strongly in a Day 4 than a Day 1 (well. later in the game let's say. normally i'm dead)
That makes me more inclined to think it is an act. Have you seen ZB when he is incorrectly tunnelled as town? He flips off the fucking handle. That he is moderating his usually ultra aggressive impulses is cause for concern if anything.
It doesn't matter what day it is in. I quoted the exact passage ZB used to 'clear' himself. I have never seen ZB sheep a wagon or push a wagon on a lurker aside from his scum game.
I have never seen ZB quietly sheep ANYTHING before. That is not what he does.
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Also apologies to BH for using blue when I copy pasted the vote tallies. My bad. 
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On October 23 2012 10:36 kushm4sta wrote: loving all the kush references
STFU kush. My god.
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Also I 100% do not want to lynch keir right now. So if that comes up as a thing. Ima shut it down as hard as I can.
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On October 23 2012 10:42 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 10:41 DarthPunk wrote:
Also I 100% do not want to lynch keir right now. So if that comes up as a thing. Ima shut it down as hard as I can. why
Is there a reason you want to know? I don't feel like I particularly want or need to share my reasons. Especially at night.
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On October 23 2012 10:45 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 10:44 DarthPunk wrote:On October 23 2012 10:42 iamperfection wrote:On October 23 2012 10:41 DarthPunk wrote:
Also I 100% do not want to lynch keir right now. So if that comes up as a thing. Ima shut it down as hard as I can. why Is there a reason you want to know? I don't feel like I particularly want or need to share my reasons. Especially at night. well i said i thought he was scum so if you have reason he is not that would interest me.
I will talk about it during the day. If you still feel the same need to know.
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On October 23 2012 10:46 marvellosity wrote:Why would he moderate himself as scum? Those dots don't connect. "Go away, shoo" is so offbeat. The main reason I think Z-Bo is probably town is actually from this post: Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 09:13 Z-BosoN wrote:
Well, well, you are quick to pounce.
I found the probability of him lying greater than the one of him telling the truth and playing like he is. He's had forever to contribute.
99.99% you say?
I think you just very well claimed scum here really. Even if I was scum, a townie wouldn't have so much certainty on that fact with my filter, especially with the entirety of your case solely residing on my stance of v7. You are just fake-tunneling hard now, my friend. This was extremely close to my thoughts when I saw Kei go at him. The fact he was thinking the same thing as me is a good sign. The tell is made softer by the fact he was the one under attack (i.e. if anyone else had said it I'd find it a really strong town tell), but I nodded as I read it, so *shrug*. I'd say he's town.
Wait so OMGUSing is a town tell now?
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Marv enough of your town reads. Who do you think is actually scum? Is it keir as you seem to imply?
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On October 23 2012 10:51 marvellosity wrote:
DP dear, don't be so predictable. The reasoning behind it.
What do you mean predictable. Grrr.
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On October 23 2012 10:56 marvellosity wrote:
Also, if you speak to me like that again DP, I'll slap you in the face.
<3
Was I offensive somewhere?
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On October 23 2012 13:08 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 10:01 austinmcc wrote:On October 23 2012 10:00 marvellosity wrote:
I'm confusing myself now. Ya. I get what you're grok-ing at, but I don't think it makes any sense. If both the vote AND hammer were suboptimal or optimal, then I could think Z-BosoN was scum or scum mastermind. If there's a mix, then I find it more likely the townie response is real, and not the result of scum mastermind Z-BosoN, or else I would expect different play concerning the vote/hammer. So, I've been thinking about this a lot. While I agree with your premise, I just don't agree that the hammer was suboptimal play IF Z-Bo is scum and was worried about dying. Its hard to say whether he was actually worried about dying or not, but I do think he was the second most likely possibility of being lynched, at least with the given information, behind v7. So, yea, I think he did the optimal scum thing in both cases: 1) giving himself another day and hopefully letting people talk themselves out of his lynch, and 2) attempting to discredit the person who attacked his hammer reasoning. Anyways, I still don't think a town ZB magically creates a top 2 scum read on v7 out of nowhere like that. The timing was just too convenient. I was pretty convinced even before his reasoning for hammering, and that was just the icing on the cake.
I'm with you on this one keir. I want to lynch ZB or Drazak. Super strong reads on them and despite the protestations of many I am not convinced on the reasoning behind them being town.
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On October 24 2012 07:37 Keirathi wrote:@marv: Show nested quote +marv wrote:
I'm doing my absolute best to try to figure out what's what, and so far I've been having a bad game and it sucks. How do you know you're having a bad game? Because of the vader mislynch? What if I'm scum, and you've been right all along? That defeatist attitude is not something that I would expect from you, tbh. And, a non-rhetorical question: you were in GSL 1. v7 early in day1 made small chit-chat, then did nothing but talk about Risen. Day2, he said "I'll be back later to give reads" and then disappeared until 10 minutes before the deadline. Did that never even give you pause here? The only people you pursued at all with any kind of scum read day 1 were me and vader, while throwing around a bunch of town reads. That was partly what I was referring to when I said this (besides the joking about the apology): Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 11:01 Keirathi wrote:On October 23 2012 10:59 marvellosity wrote:
when have you ever known me to apologise? When have you ever been so wrong before (assuming you are town. which i'm not totally convinced of, ofc)? Certainly not in any game that I've played with you. I've literally never seen you make such a weak case, so if you believe that strongly in it, I'll expect that apology after I flip town. In my experience, when town marv only has 1 or 2 reads, he feels damn sure about them (Jingle in Mad Men, Palmar in Rock Band, etc). And he's not usually (ever?) wrong. Town marv is occasionally wrong (gasp!), but when he is, he's wavering around a lot through different reads. Which just doesn't feel like what's been happening here.
Sup. Just got back and am catching up on the thread. Just wanted to point out to anyone that asked me earlier (perfection?) why I was 100 % opposed to a keir lynch. It is this. He is a check to marv. has a really solid grasp on marv's meta and mindset. And posts like these are why we should keep him around for a bit longer.
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Hmm. I haven't really played with marv before so I find it harder to relate to a case on meta with him than it is with z-boson.
The main thing that I agree with is that he has not really scum hunted in the way I would expect from him. Like he solves games all the fricking time in obs chats and sometimes pegs entire scum teams and fucking red checked hatters as town at the same time.(wtf!?) (Mad Men I believe)
Maybe I am putting him on a pedestal. But he just isn't being the blatantly IMBA, scum hunting, solving the game kind of townie I was expecting.
This game he has pretty much just defended people and shut cases down rather than be proactive, scumhunt and Pressure people.
I think your case is really strong. I actually really identified with the association stuff that Austin brought up also. (but I am a sucker for that kind of business)
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Also I still don't understand why I pissed marv off for asking him to stop giving town reads and start giving scum reads. So theres that.
FU marv.
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On October 24 2012 09:53 drazak wrote:
Wow, that post, I skimmed it before, but reading it again,I'm really starting to believe it, it's pretty comprehensive and those signs are pretty exact. I think if we lynch marv and he's scum, whomever the medic is has to save hapa because that wouldn't be a bus, but if marv isn't scum, maybe lynch hapa the next day?
Here we go again.
##Vote: Drazak
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