EPTGSL Mini Mafia III - Page 57
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marvellosity
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austinmcc
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marvellosity
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What you said here was dumb. Really I think you should know me well enough that I will never, ever encourage scum partners to post LESS. | ||
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austinmcc
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I realized, looking back, that I didn't argue hard enough for v7 being town because I was trying to slowly ask drazak questions and build that read without outright accusing him hard, but...I have no idea why scum would return from a long absence with reads on 2 players and then continue to promise more later. That's just asking to get lynched by the players who want to see you contribute and want to lynch you based on not doing a whole lot. Why would scum pull a suicidal stunt like that, instead of coming back with something nicely engineered or a case on another player? I know he pulled in a couple votes after that, but I couldn't believe you'd actually find his return scummy. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
In general I think players get too hung up on what scum would/wouldn't do. Scum players play suboptimally all the time, just as much as town players do. edit: for example, Z-Bo found it really hard to believe VE was scum in Clothes because of his post at the start of Day 2 with the @ mistake. It seemed too obvious and "scum should never do that". But VE did do that, and it was totally bad. Of course he "shouldn't", but *shrug* | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On October 25 2012 23:24 marvellosity wrote: It wasn't dumb, it was embellished. There's a massive difference. What you said here was dumb. Really I think you should know me well enough that I will never, ever encourage scum partners to post LESS. I get stuck thinking there are cases where someone posting less would be a good play. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On October 25 2012 23:26 marvellosity wrote: Why not? He comes back with irrelevant reads that did nothing to help the thread. Promising more shit later is easy to do. In general I think players get too hung up on what scum would/wouldn't do. Scum players play suboptimally all the time, just as much as town players do. It wasn't suboptimal. It was suicidal. v7 isn't participating/isn't giving reads, let's lynch him. v7 returns to thread, gives out a few reads and promises participation later. Way higher chance that he's actually crazy busy and trying to contribute what he can than just...doing exactly what people are finding him scummy for. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On October 25 2012 23:27 austinmcc wrote: I get stuck thinking there are cases where someone posting less would be a good play. I might tell someone to stop posting about certain stuff, but I'd make them post more about stuff I think they should be posting about. There really is about zero chance if I was scum with drazak I'd have made him lurkier. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On October 25 2012 23:29 austinmcc wrote: It wasn't suboptimal. It was suicidal. v7 isn't participating/isn't giving reads, let's lynch him. v7 returns to thread, gives out a few reads and promises participation later. Way higher chance that he's actually crazy busy and trying to contribute what he can than just...doing exactly what people are finding him scummy for. see VE example | ||
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austinmcc
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marvellosity
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About Clothes Mafia. We lynched him on Day 2 off one post. | ||
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Keirathi
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On October 25 2012 23:27 austinmcc wrote: I get stuck thinking there are cases where someone posting less would be a good play. There are definitely times when lurking is a valid strategy. Its hard to separate when its scum doing that from townies though, sadly. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9646 Posts
On October 25 2012 23:31 Keirathi wrote: There are definitely times when lurking is a valid strategy. Its hard to separate when its scum doing that from townies though, sadly. gsl 2 | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On October 25 2012 23:30 marvellosity wrote: sorry, I edited my post a few above and you probably didn't see. About Clothes Mafia. We lynched him on Day 2 off one post. Gotcha gotcha. I think those are entirely different, and I dunno that I should keep clogging up postgame with this, lol. VE made an "obvious" mistake, that highlighted the change in posting style with the @ and the italics. v7 was called scummy for behaving a certain way, came back after a long absence and behaved in much the same way. Not that it was obvious or too scummy, but just that scum under suspicion for x doesn't come back after a long absence and keep doing x, at least in the vast majority of cases. | ||
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austinmcc
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Newbie XIII as well | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On October 25 2012 23:33 austinmcc wrote: Gotcha gotcha. I think those are entirely different, and I dunno that I should keep clogging up postgame with this, lol. VE made an "obvious" mistake, that highlighted the change in posting style with the @ and the italics. v7 was called scummy for behaving a certain way, came back after a long absence and behaved in much the same way. Not that it was obvious or too scummy, but just that scum under suspicion for x doesn't come back after a long absence and keep doing x, at least in the vast majority of cases. Yes, but in the context of that game, the one thing scum had to avoid was making obvious stylistic mistakes. Apparently he had a 'strat' behind it, but it was just suicidal. Obviously I can't really say what I would have done as town here, but in general lynching vader was fairly understandable. He flipped town here, but many scum in the past and in the future will flip for similar reasons. Edit: not exactly the same, but slOosh and Shiao were called out pretty early for lurking/not contributing in Liquid City, and despite having days to fix it, they were still doing the same thing by the end of the game. | ||
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Keirathi
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austinmcc
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On October 25 2012 23:39 Keirathi wrote: I still didn't particularly want to lynch vader. After GSL 1, where he did the EXACT SAME THING, lynching him felt wasteful. I would have been much happier with ZB Don't lynch Z-BosoN in his first town game  | ||
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marvellosity
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austinmcc
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On October 25 2012 23:41 marvellosity wrote: he was town in his last 2 games dear (Liquid, LVII) Z-BosoN totes scum in both those games. | ||
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