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drazak
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austinmcc
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On October 24 2012 10:58 DarthPunk wrote: Hint: There isn't any. It is pointless speculation. 1 person knows who saved him. and that is the medic. Let's file this under "Thoughts you should have had a couple posts back and then STOPPED TYPING ABOUT." I haven't made up my mind on what all this is yet. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
Regarding those two quotes by Draz - I initially found them scummy, but honestly, he is very very capable of doing that as town. Furthermore, comparing Draz's scumplay to posts by Node and Sinesis (two more veteran players) is kinda ridiculous. He's not a veteran, and needs to be held to an appropriate standard. But really, I'm starting to have a huge town read on him from his recent posting/defense. Look how quickly he's responding - this is dead on with his town meta, where he lurklurklurk's then is really open to defending himself (and instantly defends himself at that) the second he's called out. | ||
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drazak
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Hapahauli
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On October 24 2012 10:42 Z-BosoN wrote: hapa, I thought you wanted to lynch him at lylo? shit just got real. going to evaluate when I get home tomorrow (small trip) but atm I dont want to lynch marv. will read the case more carefully. I agree strongly on how he "seems detached from thread" and I did not like his reaction. the rest ill have to see more carefully. don't hammer him until tomorrow please. I mentioned that "lynch marv at lylo thing" in case I died and/or for some reason people ignored my case. I still can't see him flipping town after the shit he pulled in his defense. | ||
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drazak
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On October 24 2012 11:08 Hapahauli wrote: @ Austin Regarding those two quotes by Draz - I initially found them scummy, but honestly, he is very very capable of doing that as town. Furthermore, comparing Draz's scumplay to posts by Node and Sinesis (two more veteran players) is kinda ridiculous. He's not a veteran, and needs to be held to an appropriate standard. But really, I'm starting to have a huge town read on him from his recent posting/defense. Look how quickly he's responding - this is dead on with his town meta, where he lurklurklurk's then is really open to defending himself (and instantly defends himself at that) the second he's called out. I don't think of the comparison as something based on ... veterancy. I view it as just this weird thing that ALL scum players can fall victim to. Scum knows Player X is town Player X gets attacked Scum chooses to defend Player X Scum KNOWS X is town, rather than has a town read So scum's defense is not fully based in-game, on things the thread can draw a read off of, but on assumptions/exaggerations/weirdness I don't think falling into that pattern is a result of being a vet or not being a vet, it's just a result of being scum and knowing someone's alignment without having to follow along and develop an actual read on them for reasons. | ||
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austinmcc
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On October 24 2012 11:14 drazak wrote: You mean his lack of defense and his scumstall? I could go into all sorts of reasons why, but mainly his emotional stance. When marv is accused of being scum for reasons he perceives as bad, he flies off the handle. These are his posts near instantaneously after Palmar votes Marv early in Rockband Mini: On September 19 2012 01:53 marvellosity wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Palmar fuck you On September 19 2012 01:54 marvellosity wrote: don't care On September 19 2012 01:57 marvellosity wrote: Palmar is being awful he should die he read my alignment correctly in NMM3 and I refuse to believe he'd so arbitrarily get it so wrong here straight OMGUS, deal with it On September 19 2012 02:28 marvellosity wrote: Palmar's play so far: 1. lol call 3 people scum for no reason 2. give out townreads to make self look townie (wow I can do this too, does this actually give town credit around here now? I should have known) 3. vote someone for no reason na, piss off Palmar. ... quite angry no? Marv is VERY pissed off at Palmar, and it wasn't like Palmar had some complete bullshit case on marv either. A couple of townies really bought into it. Now look at his reaction this game: On October 24 2012 08:22 marvellosity wrote: Well, I have a lot to answer for, apparently. I'll make a detailed defence if/when I'm still alive tomorrow. One small tidbit I would note right now - my filter in Death Note over 7 cycles (taking out post-game talk) is as long as my filter is here during Night 1. That's a whole different level of investment. On October 24 2012 09:07 marvellosity wrote: That wasn't the question, and I haven't been god-damn lazy. I've been doing my best. Quit fucking saying that. Lol what? This is a completely different person. Apparently he thinks my case is a shitty tunnel-vision case. Well he's certainly not treating it like one. He's not angry, he's not pissed - he's whiny. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On October 24 2012 11:17 austinmcc wrote: I don't think of the comparison as something based on ... veterancy. I view it as just this weird thing that ALL scum players can fall victim to. Scum knows Player X is town Player X gets attacked Scum chooses to defend Player X Scum KNOWS X is town, rather than has a town read So scum's defense is not fully based in-game, on things the thread can draw a read off of, but on assumptions/exaggerations/weirdness I don't think falling into that pattern is a result of being a vet or not being a vet, it's just a result of being scum and knowing someone's alignment without having to follow along and develop an actual read on them for reasons. That sounds fair, however, I still stand by the fact that I think he's capable of this as town, and that his defense is extremely forthcoming - too much so to be scum given his experience IMO. | ||
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drazak
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drazak
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Hapahauli
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On October 24 2012 11:24 drazak wrote: He did say fuck off to you hapa, but yeah, he doesn't seem to be as angry as those other games, not sure if whiny, but certainly not as angry. Yeah, but that was waaaaaaay later in his argument. His "fuck off" type posts read as pathetic rather than aggressive. I mean seriously, compare it to his reaction to Palmar. Crazy different. | ||
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drazak
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Hapahauli
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Still want to hear Z-Bo's more complete thoughts on all of this. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On October 24 2012 11:22 drazak wrote: I find Z-bo a little scummy, I'm not sure what he's up to though, he hammered v7 and we didn't agree on the hammer, and people were saying to wait on hammering him until they could get a better read, that bothers me a little. Maybe he just wanted to move the game along, but I'm not sold he had a more solid scum read on v7 than anyone else, but hammered anyway. I'm legitimately trying to read you, and I'm just looking to try and get more complete thoughts from you. It's too late for me to keep going, but I'd appreciate you fleshing this answer out. Is the hammer the only part you find scummy? Do you find it scummy or does it just bother you? Even if the hammer vote feels scummy to you, what about the rest of his play? | ||
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DarthPunk
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drazak
United States479 Posts
@Austin I really really don't like the hammer, and I don't find his scum hunting that good, but to be fair, my scum hunting hasn't been that great either, I kind of feel like he's trying, but he hasn't sold me on anything, I think the hammer is something scum might do, and then he's allayed suspicion and isn't being investigated that much today. I really think if marv flips scum he'd be someone to look at as the other part of the team. | ||
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DarthPunk
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
On October 24 2012 11:37 drazak wrote: So I changed your mind DP? @Austin I really really don't like the hammer, and I don't find his scum hunting that good, but to be fair, my scum hunting hasn't been that great either, I kind of feel like he's trying, but he hasn't sold me on anything, I think the hammer is something scum might do, and then he's allayed suspicion and isn't being investigated that much today. I really think if marv flips scum he'd be someone to look at as the other part of the team. No. You didn't change anything. I just had some thoughts about things and decided I didn't want to lynch you today | ||
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