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debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 25 2012 04:24 GMT
#221
Rad,

I understand what you're saying. However, you are misinterpretjng my words. I'm not saying go on a tunneling spree. I'm saying have the confidence to make a case on anyone and pursue that case until you find that person town or someone else more scummy
Rad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States935 Posts
October 25 2012 04:27 GMT
#222
On October 25 2012 13:23 Djodref wrote:
I've realized that in my last newbie game. Not being confident led me to write wish-washy posts and it is not good for general town mentality.
Also I like DarthPunk style with his early heavy pressure. Pretty newbie scums can slip very easy, kush or not kush.

Plus I had some difficulties in my last mafia games to post properly when people where directly pressure me.


Why even think about artificial confidence though? Why is the concept of confidence even something to be considered beyond "if you're confident, push your case!" That's all confidence is good for. Artificial confidence does nothing.

I get the point of "try to be more confident in your reads" or something to that extent, but I don't understand what's good about having confidence in pushing for a d1 scum lynch instead of lynching a lurker. We should do whatever we think is best at that point, not necessarily 1 thing or the other.
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 25 2012 04:33 GMT
#223
On October 25 2012 13:27 Rad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2012 13:23 Djodref wrote:
I've realized that in my last newbie game. Not being confident led me to write wish-washy posts and it is not good for general town mentality.
Also I like DarthPunk style with his early heavy pressure. Pretty newbie scums can slip very easy, kush or not kush.

Plus I had some difficulties in my last mafia games to post properly when people where directly pressure me.


Why even think about artificial confidence though? Why is the concept of confidence even something to be considered beyond "if you're confident, push your case!" That's all confidence is good for. Artificial confidence does nothing.

I get the point of "try to be more confident in your reads" or something to that extent, but I don't understand what's good about having confidence in pushing for a d1 scum lynch instead of lynching a lurker. We should do whatever we think is best at that point, not necessarily 1 thing or the other.


Why are you so focused on lynching a lurker over a scumread right now imo lurker lynches are last resorts to scumreads. If a lurker has a scumread, that's a bonus. Why do you keep pressing this "artificial confidence" thing when newbie games are notorious for lurking (usually caused by fear/lack of confidence) and lack of confidence?
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
October 25 2012 04:34 GMT
#224
On October 25 2012 09:06 debears wrote:
Welcome everyone!!!! Been waiting for this for a while!!!

A few things I'd like to know from everyone.
1) How many games have you played in?
2) How many have you observed seriously?
3)Will you be normally around for lynch?
+ Show Spoiler +

For me
1) 2 games
2) 3/4
3) Yes I will - except this friday (most likely. I play baseball for my college and we have a game friday night. don't know for sure how long it will go)

Look forward to hearing from all of you. Let's get this rolllinngggg!!!!!!

1) on TL, this is my first. I've participated in a couple games of forum mafia in the past.
2) None on TL, like 1-2 on other forums.
3) Barring unforseen circumstances, yes.
Rad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States935 Posts
October 25 2012 04:34 GMT
#225
On October 25 2012 13:24 debears wrote:
Rad,

I understand what you're saying. However, you are misinterpretjng my words. I'm not saying go on a tunneling spree. I'm saying have the confidence to make a case on anyone and pursue that case until you find that person town or someone else more scummy


I agree that we should have confidence when pursuing a case. Not sure what that has to do with Dan's original statement that it's hard to find scum d1. He didn't say it was necessary to lynch a lurker, he said it can end up being a necessity, which seems reasonable.

Do you agree that it can end up being a necessity?
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
October 25 2012 04:35 GMT
#226
On October 25 2012 13:23 Djodref wrote:
EBWOP: pretty sure newbie scums can slip easily under pressure

My only worry here is that newbie townies can give off false scumreads under a lot of pressure too. But pressure is good, otherwise we're just going to get nowhere.
Rad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States935 Posts
October 25 2012 04:38 GMT
#227
On October 25 2012 13:33 debears wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2012 13:27 Rad wrote:
On October 25 2012 13:23 Djodref wrote:
I've realized that in my last newbie game. Not being confident led me to write wish-washy posts and it is not good for general town mentality.
Also I like DarthPunk style with his early heavy pressure. Pretty newbie scums can slip very easy, kush or not kush.

Plus I had some difficulties in my last mafia games to post properly when people where directly pressure me.


Why even think about artificial confidence though? Why is the concept of confidence even something to be considered beyond "if you're confident, push your case!" That's all confidence is good for. Artificial confidence does nothing.

I get the point of "try to be more confident in your reads" or something to that extent, but I don't understand what's good about having confidence in pushing for a d1 scum lynch instead of lynching a lurker. We should do whatever we think is best at that point, not necessarily 1 thing or the other.


Why are you so focused on lynching a lurker over a scumread right now imo lurker lynches are last resorts to scumreads. If a lurker has a scumread, that's a bonus. Why do you keep pressing this "artificial confidence" thing when newbie games are notorious for lurking (usually caused by fear/lack of confidence) and lack of confidence?


Please point out where I've said that we should lynch a lurker over a scum read.

I'm all for helping newbies be more confident in pursuing their cases, but it has nothing to do with "we can get a scum read d1!". That's "artificial confidence" and doesn't make sense. I'm completely open to a reasonable argument where it does make sense though.
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 25 2012 04:39 GMT
#228
On October 25 2012 13:34 Rad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2012 13:24 debears wrote:
Rad,

I understand what you're saying. However, you are misinterpretjng my words. I'm not saying go on a tunneling spree. I'm saying have the confidence to make a case on anyone and pursue that case until you find that person town or someone else more scummy


I agree that we should have confidence when pursuing a case. Not sure what that has to do with Dan's original statement that it's hard to find scum d1. He didn't say it was necessary to lynch a lurker, he said it can end up being a necessity, which seems reasonable.

Do you agree that it can end up being a necessity?


No. Its not a necessity. Its a backup. Now we're delving into lurker lynch discussion, which does nothing. Why are you focusing on keeping the topic on lurkers?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
October 25 2012 04:39 GMT
#229
On October 25 2012 13:27 Rad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2012 13:23 Djodref wrote:
I've realized that in my last newbie game. Not being confident led me to write wish-washy posts and it is not good for general town mentality.
Also I like DarthPunk style with his early heavy pressure. Pretty newbie scums can slip very easy, kush or not kush.

Plus I had some difficulties in my last mafia games to post properly when people where directly pressure me.


Why even think about artificial confidence though? Why is the concept of confidence even something to be considered beyond "if you're confident, push your case!" That's all confidence is good for. Artificial confidence does nothing.

I get the point of "try to be more confident in your reads" or something to that extent, but I don't understand what's good about having confidence in pushing for a d1 scum lynch instead of lynching a lurker. We should do whatever we think is best at that point, not necessarily 1 thing or the other.


From my experience, I would have better done some "artificial" confidence boosting in my first game, especially in the beginning, because of the reasons I have already explained.
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 25 2012 04:40 GMT
#230
And i will attempt to bold the part i was talking about two posts ago. I'm struggling rigbt now witb this damn phone
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
October 25 2012 04:44 GMT
#231
I feel like asking everyone a loaded question, but one that makes sense for a newbie game:

If you're not completely new to mafia (maybe you've played a few games IRL/elsewhere, or this isn't your first game on TL)

What's your favorite role to play in mafia?

I feel like I'm one of few who actively enjoys being a vanilla townie more than scum or a power-townie. It feels that much better when you're part of a victory! Maybe I'm wrong in this being an uncommon choice of favorite role, though.
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 25 2012 04:45 GMT
#232
On October 25 2012 13:27 Rad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2012 13:23 Djodref wrote:
I've realized that in my last newbie game. Not being confident led me to write wish-washy posts and it is not good for general town mentality.
Also I like DarthPunk style with his early heavy pressure. Pretty newbie scums can slip very easy, kush or not kush.

Plus I had some difficulties in my last mafia games to post properly when people where directly pressure me.


Why even think about artificial confidence though? Why is the concept of confidence even something to be considered beyond "if you're confident, push your case!" That's all confidence is good for. Artificial confidence does nothing.

I get the point of "try to be more confident in your reads" or something to that extent, but I don't understand what's good about having confidence in pushing for a d1 scum lynch instead of lynching a lurker. We should do whatever we think is best at that point, not necessarily 1 thing or the other.


That is the statement I'm talking about. Am i missing something here? Can someone help me out?

You don't understand having confidence to pusb d1 scum reads over lurkers?

What do scum want? Easy lynchs. Who are easy lynches? Lurkers.

FOS Rad
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
October 25 2012 04:47 GMT
#233
Also geez, as much as I like lynch a Lurker... isn't it a bit early? We're like 10% into day 1! If someone's still lurking when we're getting closer to lynch time, I could be convinced, but I feel like policy lynching lurkers should be something to resort to if we can't find anyone else being sketchy.

With that, I'm going to bed. I'll be around most of tomorrow!
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 25 2012 04:48 GMT
#234
Actually, that's a scumslip

##Vote Rad
Rad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States935 Posts
October 25 2012 04:53 GMT
#235
On October 25 2012 13:45 debears wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2012 13:27 Rad wrote:
On October 25 2012 13:23 Djodref wrote:
I've realized that in my last newbie game. Not being confident led me to write wish-washy posts and it is not good for general town mentality.
Also I like DarthPunk style with his early heavy pressure. Pretty newbie scums can slip very easy, kush or not kush.

Plus I had some difficulties in my last mafia games to post properly when people where directly pressure me.


Why even think about artificial confidence though? Why is the concept of confidence even something to be considered beyond "if you're confident, push your case!" That's all confidence is good for. Artificial confidence does nothing.

I get the point of "try to be more confident in your reads" or something to that extent, but I don't understand what's good about having confidence in pushing for a d1 scum lynch instead of lynching a lurker. We should do whatever we think is best at that point, not necessarily 1 thing or the other.


That is the statement I'm talking about. Am i missing something here? Can someone help me out?

You don't understand having confidence to pusb d1 scum reads over lurkers?

What do scum want? Easy lynchs. Who are easy lynches? Lurkers.

FOS Rad


The statement you bolded is out of context without including the next sentence:

"We should do whatever we think is best at that point, not necessarily 1 thing or the other."

You're pushing for "have confidence, the scum will show" while I'm pushing for "find the scum, if you're confident push it, otherwise we should lynch lurker". That stance seems completely reasonable to me. Does it not to you?
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
October 25 2012 04:54 GMT
#236
Whoa what? I don't follow your line of reasoning that he's pushing for policy lynching lurkers over a scumread.



On October 25 2012 13:33 debears wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2012 13:27 Rad wrote:
On October 25 2012 13:23 Djodref wrote:
I've realized that in my last newbie game. Not being confident led me to write wish-washy posts and it is not good for general town mentality.
Also I like DarthPunk style with his early heavy pressure. Pretty newbie scums can slip very easy, kush or not kush.

Plus I had some difficulties in my last mafia games to post properly when people where directly pressure me.


Why even think about artificial confidence though? Why is the concept of confidence even something to be considered beyond "if you're confident, push your case!" That's all confidence is good for. Artificial confidence does nothing.

I get the point of "try to be more confident in your reads" or something to that extent, but I don't understand what's good about having confidence in pushing for a d1 scum lynch instead of lynching a lurker. We should do whatever we think is best at that point, not necessarily 1 thing or the other.


Why are you so focused on lynching a lurker over a scumread right now imo lurker lynches are last resorts to scumreads. If a lurker has a scumread, that's a bonus. Why do you keep pressing this "artificial confidence" thing when newbie games are notorious for lurking (usually caused by fear/lack of confidence) and lack of confidence?

When he said, early on:


On October 25 2012 09:33 Rad wrote:
Lurkers policy, well, I guess lynch lurkers if there's no better option?

Can you explain what what the noob card is?


FOS: debears.
Explain more clearly where your scum tell is?
Ok now I'm actually going to bed.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
October 25 2012 04:55 GMT
#237
@sylve

What was your motivation for your question ?

Do you realize that a lot of people are playing their first game right now ?

Rad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States935 Posts
October 25 2012 05:00 GMT
#238
On October 25 2012 13:48 debears wrote:
Actually, that's a scumslip

##Vote Rad


So you FOS dan for no reason, and when I try to make sense of your reasoning giving you plenty of chances to clear it up, you fos me, and then claim I scumslipped and vote me?

FOS debears
da0ud
Profile Joined April 2011
Hong Kong252 Posts
October 25 2012 05:05 GMT
#239
On October 25 2012 13:45 debears wrote:
You don't understand having confidence to push d1 scum reads over lurkers?

I do agree with you on this one. That makes no point lynching a lurker over a clear scum read. Even though I am not sure we will have very clear reads on day1.

On October 25 2012 13:45 debears wrote:
What do scum want? Easy lynchs. Who are easy lynches? Lurkers.

I am not sure about this point.
It makes sense for scum to hide among lurkers:
- If the attention is not put on lurkers the scummy lurker moves on undetected.
- If the attention is put on the scummy lurker, then it is easy for the other scums to bully him and gain town credit.
Rad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States935 Posts
October 25 2012 05:10 GMT
#240
On October 25 2012 14:05 da0ud wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2012 13:45 debears wrote:
You don't understand having confidence to push d1 scum reads over lurkers?

I do agree with you on this one. That makes no point lynching a lurker over a clear scum read. Even though I am not sure we will have very clear reads on day1.


Please re-read the post he's quoting me on there. When you put it all in context, it should make sense to you what I meant (along with my other posts before it). Let me know if my point isn't clear there and I'll try to make it more understandable.

To me it seems like he's trying to push out an obvious statement that people will agree with in order to cover up what I really meant.
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