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On December 28 2012 03:32 Toadesstern wrote: well never said it has to be that time. It just can't be before that time :p Now you're evasive... You should hang d1 | ||
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BC/curu are missing though... and Sandroba!!! | ||
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On December 30 2012 10:57 Toadesstern wrote: Grow some balls and play drunk like everyone else is | ||
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Ah Syllogism is missing, too! *Came into my mind, when i was talking about people i take seriously ^_^ | ||
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On January 03 2013 07:10 Lazermonkey wrote: Show nested quote + I hope I will. Please show me your A-game this time grush!On January 03 2013 07:09 grush57 wrote: On January 03 2013 07:04 Lazermonkey wrote: So, anyone feel like policy lynching grush just for the lulz? He is going to troll the game 24/7 no matter what alignment he gets... You're going to regret that :D You're in for a wbg lynch? | ||
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"2) He's wrong as town" he's not + therefor he tends to die early as town. you got a point with 3). If he's alive d4++ and he hasnt townslipped we seriously have to discuss this topic again. | ||
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On January 03 2013 07:31 Palmar wrote: Your chainsaw defense of him is boring supersoft, are you scumbuddies eh? No. But I know, you know, that i am right about wgb. | ||
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On January 03 2013 07:34 Toadesstern wrote: Supersoft my buddyily friend, do me a favor and read some recent games :3 Oh yeah, i just wanted to ask you this... what happened between you, palmar and wbg? | ||
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On January 03 2013 07:48 Palmar wrote: nice catch On January 03 2013 07:50 Lazermonkey wrote: Show nested quote + TBH I think there is a significant diference in these two. On January 03 2013 07:47 HiroPro wrote: I am not fine with lynching by thread post count I am fine with lynching lurkers lol Some players post a little but at least provides their thought process and what not. Some players post a little but doesn't. Some players just want to watch the world burn... I'm quite sure that it is the second type of player he wants to lynch. do you agree on monkey or do you still think it's a catch? | ||
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On January 03 2013 07:55 marvellosity wrote: hey supersoft, how do you feel about killing Palmar today? On January 03 2013 07:43 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: This just in, palmar most likely town. I'd prefer to lynch MZ. | ||
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On January 03 2013 08:09 marvellosity wrote: then what is it? I have a similar, but not quite that strong impression about palmar: A Palmar that gets the game going tends to be a townpalmar. Only overly motivated scum-palmar sould do that and I've never seen that. However I've seen a lazy townpalmar, too. = Slightly townish 1. Don't know whether MZ thought about these things. 2. No reason to yell it out | ||
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On January 03 2013 08:48 marvellosity wrote: + Show Spoiler + On January 03 2013 08:45 yamato77 wrote: Show nested quote + On January 03 2013 08:42 marvellosity wrote: On January 03 2013 08:40 yamato77 wrote: Outspoken player =/= scum. Palmar is overly active and has good reasons for the policy lynch. Marv you know better so you starting this Palmar is scum stuff is fishy. I just knew you'd come into the thread saying something like this. Palmar is not a "normal" player that you can attribute your stupid heuristics to. So then how does him pushing this lynch make him scum, Marv? Enlighten me, O Mighty One. because he's trolling and his discussions on wbg didn't actually move the thread forward. There was no point to anything he did. You come in telling me outspoken player isn't scum when you know I just finished a game as scum with a 20+ page filter. Cmon man. Of course did this discussion move the thread forward... Palmar does this all the time to start a discussion. Every time people step up and accuse him for that. It's just an icebreaker. Palmar knows that a wbg lynch isnt going to happen. Especially if he pushes him 20minutes after the game has started. I am thinking of a game where palmar claimed dayvig and aimed at people to get the game going. No idea what game that was... Ah yeah and he was town... and i explained the exact same thing... Having a deja vu right now... On January 03 2013 08:36 marvellosity wrote: I'm ok with policy lynching kush. if he's going to be a dick he should just fucking die. What policy says that we should lynch idiots? Yes he claimed to be lurking, but actually he's answering so... What's your point... + Show Spoiler + On January 03 2013 08:24 Tunkeg wrote: Hi guys. I am sick and tired of stupid as fuck townplayers. They make it harder then it should be to catch the scum. I am also sick and tired of the amount of sick respect some of you give the "good" players of this game, and how little you hold them accountable for their actions. Last game I played here I got lynched because the scumteam spearheaded by marvellosity made what I think is a pretty bad and illogical case on me, and the rest of the town didn't bother to form their own opinions. I would love if this game were as simple as: stupid (read: Illogical bad town play)=scum, that is utopia, but please at least try to think your posts through before spewing them into the thread, it will make the game much easier. Force the scumplayers to be the ones making shit up and posting illogical shit. If you think someone is acting scummy, reread them, ask yourself if their actions truly is scummy or if you are misreading, don't make poor reads and infest the thread with them. This is what I expect of the players in this game, nothing less, make scum struggle to write posts that doesn't make them suspicious. Also if you respect a player in this game, hold them to the highest standard, don't let them get away with playing a poor town game, because if they do play below their townstandard, they are more likely to be scum than not. Please hold me to this standard as well (even though some of you consider me to be utter shit), if my number one scumread isn't a scumplayer the first couple of days I am playing way below my standards, and by the logic provided over I am more likely to be scum than not. TLDR: Players of TLMafia get your shit together, especially the ones who allways are mentioned as stupid. Also expect the good players to be great, and don't accept them not being it! i've seen this kind of posts from scumplayers before. I dont like it. | ||
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what do you guys think of a mason massclaim btw... If scum wants to have a mason, they will be forced to invest 0.5 KP right now until the end of the game... I mean we can verify them pretty easy... | ||
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On January 03 2013 11:06 supersoft wrote: yeah, that game was pretty epic with annul - I died n1 :-( what do you guys think of a mason massclaim btw... If scum wants to have a mason, they will be forced to invest 0.5 KP right now until the end of the game... I mean we can verify them pretty easy... nvm, we can do this later on, too. | ||
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On January 03 2013 11:07 supersoft wrote: Show nested quote + On January 03 2013 11:06 supersoft wrote: yeah, that game was pretty epic with annul - I died n1 :-( what do you guys think of a mason massclaim btw... If scum wants to have a mason, they will be forced to invest 0.5 KP right now until the end of the game... I mean we can verify them pretty easy... nvm, we can do this later on, too. lol and I am an idiot for warning them :D now they know my trap | ||
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On January 03 2013 11:27 Clarity_nl wrote: Show nested quote + On January 03 2013 07:44 Palmar wrote: On January 03 2013 07:43 grush57 wrote: do a video palmar! Nah, I read my role pm, it'll be too hard to fake that I'm town on camera. How did no one jump on this btw? because it's 0 On January 03 2013 11:27 Clarity_nl wrote: I'm going with the logic that Palmar is too dumb to slip so it was a trap, which makes him clearly town in my book. you clearly get to conclusions too fast. On January 03 2013 11:16 marvellosity wrote: oh yeah, Palmar has pushed random lynch as scum too. icebreaker != alignment indicative yes, yes. I am not sold about palmars alignment yet. But as long as he plays protown - and getting the game going is protown - we have no problem. One thing, I still don't want to let go, is MZs post about Palmar. It seems he knows Palmar is town, and he thinks it's obvious enough for everyone else, to just yell it out. And therefor i think Palmar is really town and MZ is scum. Can you follow? + Show Spoiler + On January 03 2013 11:08 supersoft wrote: Show nested quote + On January 03 2013 11:07 supersoft wrote: On January 03 2013 11:06 supersoft wrote: yeah, that game was pretty epic with annul - I died n1 :-( what do you guys think of a mason massclaim btw... If scum wants to have a mason, they will be forced to invest 0.5 KP right now until the end of the game... I mean we can verify them pretty easy... nvm, we can do this later on, too. lol and I am an idiot for warning them :D now they know my trap nvm. wasnt a good trap | ||
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On January 03 2013 20:13 Vivax wrote: @ Supersoft 07:11 - You ask Lazer if he'd vote WBG 07:30 - You say bugs lynch isn't gonna happen anyway. 07:59 - You'd like to lynch MZ (why?) I kinda have trouble in seeing your motivations here. Like, why asking 07:11 when you know 07:30? Then randomly 07:59? why are these timestamps important? you want to look professional? the first posts were just some posts to get this game going and to start a discussion. there is not really deeper meaning. actually the one with wbg also had. i am not lynching wbg d1. even if hes not here what i think is strange lol. and wtf? randomly? marv asked me if i wanted to kill palmar. i replyed no, i prefer mz!? LOL! do you even read the thread? GG scum. what a typical scumpost that is. asking stupid questions, with unnecessary timestamps. not even quoting me! Do you really think you can get away with that stuff??? Another questionable fellow is that guy here: On January 03 2013 17:16 debears wrote: Btw guys something to note If we have a mason, if you talk to someone starting day 1, you are confirmed town to that player. Mafia do not get powers til night 1 I believe wtf confirmed townies? is he really that (im am polite now) "uninformed"? LOL and yeah ofc MZ, as scum you'd tell your scumteam that palmar looks town like town and not us. pfffff can we lynch that timestampguy btw? he's terrible. is he always terrible? reading former games on my phone kinda sucks. LOL! just rereading his post: wtf motivations? that post screams scum to me | ||
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gotta check out some metas until then! | ||
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On January 03 2013 21:11 Vivax wrote: Why are you getting so worked up over the mentioned posts super? The reason I post timestamps is cause I write important post to a document and try to filter out the shit, that's why VE's only post in there his vote on WBG. Who do you want to lynch? i am not sure if you really read what i say. what is the motivation behind your questions? do you think i am scum? or do you just want to ask some questions? (i buy your timestamp explanation btw. thats okay.) | ||
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On January 03 2013 21:15 Clarity_nl wrote: Show nested quote + On January 03 2013 21:12 supersoft wrote: Mason (Let's one of members communicate with someone for 48 hours. Can be used during the day.) Please read how scum acquire their roles. zzzZZZ oh lol, you're right. the example says they sacrifice the kp n1 to get a role d2 etc. | ||
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hah! thats why i thought mason can be activated d1. because the rule says rolecop cant activated d1 and it doest says that for the mason. | ||
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and now you're straight up lying to me. | ||
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On January 03 2013 22:57 marvellosity wrote: i'm kinda surprised you haven't talked more about MZ since he came in last night saying absolutely nothing again. Did you find you want to lynch him less for what he said or something? i talked about him... and this is the last time i tell you guys to read my filter befor you adress me. | ||
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On January 03 2013 23:15 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On January 03 2013 23:00 supersoft wrote: On January 03 2013 22:57 marvellosity wrote: On January 03 2013 22:54 supersoft wrote: yes, because i read the setup. i'm kinda surprised you haven't talked more about MZ since he came in last night saying absolutely nothing again. Did you find you want to lynch him less for what he said or something? i talked about him... and this is the last time i tell you guys to read my filter befor you adress me. no, you haven't talked about him since he popped in saying he wanted to lynch Tunkeg and left again. This is the last time I treat you as an equal before condescending down to you for not reading. On January 03 2013 21:05 supersoft wrote: and yeah ofc MZ, as scum you'd tell your scumteam that palmar looks town like town and not us. pfffff I hadn't had time to post more, since i got distracted by vivax On January 03 2013 23:06 Palmar wrote: Do you have access to your notes where you are now? On January 03 2013 23:19 Vivax wrote: I do have access. hrhr, I like where this is going :-) go ahead Palmar. | ||
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On January 03 2013 23:23 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On January 03 2013 23:22 supersoft wrote: On January 03 2013 23:15 marvellosity wrote: On January 03 2013 23:00 supersoft wrote: On January 03 2013 22:57 marvellosity wrote: On January 03 2013 22:54 supersoft wrote: yes, because i read the setup. i'm kinda surprised you haven't talked more about MZ since he came in last night saying absolutely nothing again. Did you find you want to lynch him less for what he said or something? i talked about him... and this is the last time i tell you guys to read my filter befor you adress me. no, you haven't talked about him since he popped in saying he wanted to lynch Tunkeg and left again. This is the last time I treat you as an equal before condescending down to you for not reading. On January 03 2013 21:05 supersoft wrote: and yeah ofc MZ, as scum you'd tell your scumteam that palmar looks town like town and not us. pfffff I hadn't had time to post more, since i got distracted by vivax On January 03 2013 23:06 Palmar wrote: On January 03 2013 23:03 Vivax wrote: Yea, but playing on my other comp. Do you have access to your notes where you are now? On January 03 2013 23:19 Vivax wrote: I do have access. hrhr, I like where this is going :-) go ahead Palmar. so now you're about, why don't you expand on your thoughts on MZ a bit? Mind your own business. | ||
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On January 03 2013 23:32 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On January 03 2013 23:31 supersoft wrote: On January 03 2013 23:23 marvellosity wrote: On January 03 2013 23:22 supersoft wrote: On January 03 2013 23:15 marvellosity wrote: On January 03 2013 23:00 supersoft wrote: On January 03 2013 22:57 marvellosity wrote: On January 03 2013 22:54 supersoft wrote: yes, because i read the setup. i'm kinda surprised you haven't talked more about MZ since he came in last night saying absolutely nothing again. Did you find you want to lynch him less for what he said or something? i talked about him... and this is the last time i tell you guys to read my filter befor you adress me. no, you haven't talked about him since he popped in saying he wanted to lynch Tunkeg and left again. This is the last time I treat you as an equal before condescending down to you for not reading. On January 03 2013 21:05 supersoft wrote: and yeah ofc MZ, as scum you'd tell your scumteam that palmar looks town like town and not us. pfffff I hadn't had time to post more, since i got distracted by vivax On January 03 2013 23:06 Palmar wrote: On January 03 2013 23:03 Vivax wrote: Yea, but playing on my other comp. Do you have access to your notes where you are now? On January 03 2013 23:19 Vivax wrote: I do have access. hrhr, I like where this is going :-) go ahead Palmar. so now you're about, why don't you expand on your thoughts on MZ a bit? Mind your own business. It is my business. This is a game of mafia and I need to get reads on both you and him. Stop being a dick. The lynch will be decided in the last 2 or 3 hours before deadline. If I want to get MZ lynched, you will notice. Right now there is nothing left to say about him and it's useless to repeat myself. You know how this works. | ||
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Where is Foolishness? Where is wherebugsgo??? how much time is left? 2 hours...? A Palmarlynch is not going to happen. wtf. Don't listen to paranoiatoad! | ||
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On January 04 2013 04:40 Toadesstern wrote: and I'm not paranoid. I'm gauging the situation :p Though I really am not sure what to make of Palmar, which is troublesome. what do you think about MZ? | ||
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On January 04 2013 04:44 Toadesstern wrote: Show nested quote + On January 04 2013 04:35 supersoft wrote: Where is MZ? Where is Foolishness? Where is wherebugsgo??? how much time is left? 2 hours...? A Palmarlynch is not going to happen. wtf. Don't listen to paranoiatoad! wait what? Isn't it 26 hours left? woa okay :D I somehow thought that already 45hours had gone by | ||
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On January 04 2013 10:20 wherebugsgo wrote: Palmar do you believe in lynch all liars? wait a second! you call him a liar for claiming scum? | ||
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On January 04 2013 10:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: hey guys wanna just kill palmar for claiming scum? I mean I was fine with him up until this page but since he's so adamant that he's scum then let's just help him to exit the game at the earliest opportunity. This second sentence doesnt say you now think he's scum right? | ||
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You know that, wbg. He may have overdone the trolling in the last 3-5 hours. + ppl that accuse him seem to be kind of suspicious to me: Marv is focusing Palmar since the beginning and randomly agreeing on every other suspect (his list some pages ago) MZ now doesnt even think that Palmar is scum. Toad isn't really suspicious, I think it's just his paranoid townplay... i don't remember whether he does that as scum, too. I got to think about what marv just posted though... | ||
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The most simple and obvious explanation is in most cases the truth. The most obvious explanation for not posting the logs is, that there exist no logs. I don't have a scumread on you or iamp. Yes, you kept trolling more than necessary. However that marvcase is exactly what I expected from you. I need you to inlighten me about these masonthings and we're done here. | ||
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Vivax is scummier in my opinion, VE less scummy... | ||
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On January 04 2013 21:03 Palmar wrote: Show nested quote + On January 04 2013 21:03 supersoft wrote: Palmar, give us these logs. The most simple and obvious explanation is in most cases the truth. The most obvious explanation for not posting the logs is, that there exist no logs. I don't have a scumread on you or iamp. Yes, you kept trolling more than necessary. However that marvcase is exactly what I expected from you. I need you to inlighten me about these masonthings and we're done here. You're not reading the thread, but I would appreciate if you joined me in calling marv bad/scum. you guys ninjaed like 2 pages between my post and what i lastly read. | ||
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On January 04 2013 22:28 marvellosity wrote: Alright, while i'm here and not working at work, I'm gonna use Palmar's spreadsheet as a starting point, and only comment on the things I disagree with. 6.marvellosity - srsly supertown 8.Djodref - I wouldn't have him coloured in red. He's extremely null - he plays a VERY active scumgame (as active as me) so him being absent is just 100% bizarro. 10.Clarity - sigh, I guess null. He could be ill and scum and be telling the truth, but Palmar is probably right after all. 12.Vivax - now thinking town, based on iamp paranoia, and post just above going back and picking something extremely random from someone's filter. This is Vivax townplay, I wager. 14.VE - very sheepy, but not that red. I dunno. He could be scum, I just want to see MORE. 15.debears - null, playing really really weirdly, kinda trolly, but at the same time not obviously retardedly or omgusly. Maybe slight lean town after all. 16.bugs - seems town to me so far. seems kinda interested since he started playing. Not strong 17.Palmar - an idiot. 21.supersoft - leaning scum, having been nullish/slightly town. I know he LOVES to lick the ass of players like Palmar, but his sheep on to my case is super weak. 28.Cheesecake - stronger red now, since I've seen him post actively in British Empire while being totally uninterested in this game. The rest of the reads I agree with the general colour of the read if not the exact reasonings, but close enough. It should be noted that Adam is australian, so he's either just got in bed or is about to go to bed, and has had all day to be active, and has done nothing. For me this is enough to make him the top lynch for today. ##Vote: Adam4167 to get you right: Palmar and I are scum together? | ||
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6. marvellosity 7. Toadesstern 14. VisceraEyes 16. wherebugsgo 17. Palmar 19. Foolishness 21. supersoft 23. Jackal58 27. BloodyC0bbler tell me, marv. Balancewise. How many of these players are scum. | ||
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On January 04 2013 23:04 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On January 04 2013 23:03 supersoft wrote: Yeah see. And how i voting you from my perspective "super weak"? you've given no prior indication i might be scum, nor any reasons why you agree with palmar. doesnt mean i have no reasons. The list you made is pretty good: i'd only add some minor changes, and ofc switch our colors, since you are as obviously scum as meapak and BC. Palmars case is perfect. and your Palmar-tunneling was just implausible | ||
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On January 04 2013 23:14 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On January 04 2013 23:11 supersoft wrote: On January 04 2013 23:04 marvellosity wrote: On January 04 2013 23:03 supersoft wrote: Yeah see. And how i voting you from my perspective "super weak"? you've given no prior indication i might be scum, nor any reasons why you agree with palmar. doesnt mean i have no reasons. The list you made is pretty good: i'd only add some minor changes, and ofc switch our colors, since you are as obviously scum as meapak and BC. Palmars case is perfect. and your Palmar-tunneling was just implausible then you're as bad as both you and Palmar were earlier for believing Vivax is scum. Palmar's case is really terrible and it irks me that you can't understand it. My Palmar tunnel wasn't even implausible, you said yourself that you had to sit and think about the post I made on him, presumably because it made good points. If you are actually town, get your head out of Palmar's ass for one fucking minute, please. You know i have a problem with your game so far. Everything you did was just so useless. I cannot see the will to find scum. I don't see any plan. Examples? On January 03 2013 23:32 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On January 03 2013 23:31 supersoft wrote: On January 03 2013 23:23 marvellosity wrote: On January 03 2013 23:22 supersoft wrote: On January 03 2013 23:15 marvellosity wrote: On January 03 2013 23:00 supersoft wrote: On January 03 2013 22:57 marvellosity wrote: On January 03 2013 22:54 supersoft wrote: yes, because i read the setup. i'm kinda surprised you haven't talked more about MZ since he came in last night saying absolutely nothing again. Did you find you want to lynch him less for what he said or something? i talked about him... and this is the last time i tell you guys to read my filter befor you adress me. no, you haven't talked about him since he popped in saying he wanted to lynch Tunkeg and left again. This is the last time I treat you as an equal before condescending down to you for not reading. On January 03 2013 21:05 supersoft wrote: and yeah ofc MZ, as scum you'd tell your scumteam that palmar looks town like town and not us. pfffff I hadn't had time to post more, since i got distracted by vivax On January 03 2013 23:06 Palmar wrote: On January 03 2013 23:03 Vivax wrote: Yea, but playing on my other comp. Do you have access to your notes where you are now? On January 03 2013 23:19 Vivax wrote: I do have access. hrhr, I like where this is going :-) go ahead Palmar. so now you're about, why don't you expand on your thoughts on MZ a bit? Mind your own business. It is my business. This is a game of mafia and I need to get reads on both you and him. Stop being a dick. this. I really don't know why you asked me this. You did see, that I was actively going for vivax - who i still think is scum - and you tried to distract me with MZ. (successful btw.) only when your attacked, you deliver: On January 04 2013 10:12 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On January 04 2013 10:08 VisceraEyes wrote: Foolishness - LOL Palmar - /facepalm supersoft - started out strong, puttered out. MZ - Clearly not even trying. Null. BC - ....hold me. Marv - I'm sensing disappointment. Usually means scum. VE - Townie town towningtons. Toad - Is scum. Kill it. Actually you're right for the first, but it's not quite what you think, and I don't mind explaining it a little. I was quite looking forward to this game because I felt there was a pretty decent chance I was going to be able to play town with at least 1 of Palmar or Foolishness. I've played with Fool twice only and he rolled scum, unfortunately, in both. Palmar I've played with a bunch of times, but so far always with the opposite alignment. Then after that Palmar has basically trolled most of the game (at least, playing nothing like his last few town games where I was either hosting or scum) and Foolishness is doing even worse than this. So yes, I've been disappointed with the game so far. mhm. | ||
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On January 05 2013 02:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I dont have a ton of time right now and given that most of it was spent catching up on the thread all I can say is what the fuck? Palmar is off the hook given how rampant his bullshit was all day because he posted some logs and a list of reads that all looks seems hastily put together and shit. He then makes his only case of the game against a player his own notes say specifically he would like to hold off on pursuing then suddenly his outlook changes while marv does the same shit palmar has been doing except Marv was more useful through the entire day. People need to realize that Palmar only contributed because he was harassed into doing so and has done the bare minimum since. Seriously people Marv may not have scum hunted but he was actively harassing people or pushing people to generate discussion. ##vote palmar I honestly dont get you people and the next person to suggest lynching me on inactivity should go back and read the first thing I said in this game after signing up the red stuff is does not match with my point of view. And noone is suggesting to lynch you because of inactivity. | ||
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I feel really sick right now and i was sleeping. Can someone shoot marv tonight?, please? | ||
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uhh. okay whatever. I guess you got one day to increase your play dramatically... | ||
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On January 05 2013 22:39 Clarity_nl wrote: Marv you shouldn't ragequit replacement. As scum it would be distasteful to even mention that and I think you know that, and as town it's just not cool and also puts an unfair "mod-confirmed townie" in the game. wait what? Modconfirmed townie? | ||
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you get accused and almost lynched do that: spam the thread, pretend youre not playing anymore, dont vote, everyone thinks you get modkilled and boom you get right back in before the lynch vote and live another day yeah in germany we call that "unsportlich" it roughly means unfair, but it's really only abusing the rules. only scum does that. | ||
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On January 06 2013 01:04 Clarity_nl wrote: Show nested quote + On January 06 2013 00:54 supersoft wrote: bug, marv and you... how is that OP against Palmar, Foolish, BC and me? get ready to get crushed. In fact. you did play well in Bureacracy, and were much more outspoken. It was in July though. Whatsup? "whatsup" did you read everything or only d1 this game is d1 and i was sick when day1 ended. i think i already said that. your shit offends me. what's interesting though, is that MZ is playing extremely poor this game, too. and he wasnt scum back then :-[ but he found a way to confirm himself as far as i remember. | ||
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On January 06 2013 01:34 Clarity_nl wrote: Show nested quote + I am just asking if you feel you're playing as well as you were in that game, because I do not. You just seem less invested this game compared to that game. Why is this like pulling teeth? Because i already answered that question above. I repeat: I was sick yesterday evening. I went to bed at 8pm. I couln't imagine you kill BC day1. That was just retarded². If I had known that, i would have been around despite of my insane headache. Palmar was scum that game, he is town this game. Kurumi nuked some random guy day1 _w t f_ and there were much more players i know in that game. | ||
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But I am asking myself, why should someone claim that i play differently and in fact he himself didnt read correctly. That's not exactly scumhunting... it's more like pretending to scumhunt... OH WAIT | ||
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Sorry, but that was just really bad play by him. I am not going to point out his errors again since that already happened several times... Now: GMarshal 10/15 = 66.67% Divinek 8/12 = 66.67% Supersoft 9/14 = 64.29% Adam4167 7/11 = 63.64% marvellosity 14/23 = 60.87% Bill Murray 15/25 = 60.00% GreYmist 6/10 = 60.00% Hapahauli 6/10 = 60.00% Pyrrhuloxia 6/10 = 60.00% Southrawrea 6/10 = 60.00% i am #3 on the overall win percentage and i wanna get #1 that's why you're not allowed to screw up: 1. Palmar is town. I know, mighty BC thought differently, but I really played enough games with Palmar to judge him. that motivated trolling in the beginning. After that the pressuring on derps like vivax and finally that case on marv. ... Yeah well that case was okay Most important for me are the little things like: His spreadsheet says iamp is mason. Therefor town. Yes. That is absolutely correct! A mason that masons Palmar day1 is town in this game. No scumteam says: "Hey give some weak players the masonability to talk to palmar" who basically is a scumradar. (well, lol he failed a little recently, but they dont know that) 2. Keep calm My lynch suggestion is MZ. MZ refuses to play this game, however he had a correct townread on Palmar (as stated above) and I think he also has a correct read on me. The way he's talking to me implicates that he doesnt even think i could be scum. For someone who doesn't really care, this reads are too correct. And that is the diffenrence in his play compared to bureaucracy-mafia. The difference between lazy scum and lazy town. yeah well i had much more... But marvels flip screwed that over... that stuff was balance-based and since marvel was town, more people are likely to be scum... | ||
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On January 06 2013 04:38 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Also it really doesn't make sense that you wanna kill me because I have two correct town reads. I know I'm not playing a good game so far but I don't think you should crucify me for having 2 out of 30 correct reads. I've seen you and Palmar play a lot, I'm very sure I know what you guys look like as town. On January 06 2013 04:18 supersoft wrote: The way he's talking to me implicates that he doesnt even think i could be scum. ... okay I am not a player who accuses someone because he's too good. No question, i think you can read us properly. But did you? well that's my question... On January 06 2013 04:38 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: supersoft don't compare my play this game with bureaucracy, I was the mafia traitor that game and so my play was really wonky. okay, you got a point... thats true... traitor is special... well I wanna see your case. We'll stay in touch. gotta go | ||
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@VE: you need to man up. some nobody calls you scum or bad or whatever and you almost do the "marvelosity"? pretending Jackal and MZ are dead, i'd probably look into foolish, clarity, hopeless, vivax and Viscera (now don't get a heart attack because of that dude!) | ||
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Well I hate days where you only hypothetically discuss lynchtargets... We even have a lynchtarget for d3... MZ could come up with his epic find... I guess that would bring some movement in here... | ||
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I meant the wbg part. I realized he's just too lazy to read... | ||
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On January 07 2013 02:34 supersoft wrote: Ah yes that part. I read this part like 1000 times in former games. I meant the wbg part. I realized he's just too lazy to read... It's your own fault though :D | ||
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The 1-shot thing fits into the set-up... and he claimed a shot... no scumteam does all that with one guy... i don't know... the obvious explanation is: he's a 1shot mason who got shot, because scum thought he's almost confirmed. | ||
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during the night you were the only one who fits in that pattern. Shoot confirmed townies... not the worst strategy... | ||
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You asked about other possibilities than that. I still believe, that mafia just shot him because he's pretty blue on everyones list. Protection is always a gamble. You never know who's medic and what he's doing. | ||
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On January 07 2013 05:16 Toadesstern wrote: Show nested quote + On January 07 2013 05:03 supersoft wrote: honestly, as scum i would have shot WBG during the night... Unless WBG was completly wrong about his reads besides Jackal there's no reason to let a townie run around, giving away his reads as a confirmed townie while they're somewhat correct. From a mafia perspective that is. Again, if WBG was completly wrong like he was last game, sure whatever. Let him survive, let the confirmed townie defend every single mafia in the game and tell everyone how townish they are and watch while he posts bullshit everyone takes for granted. This does not seem to be the case, so obviously mafia shoots him quickly to deny information. The timing of that shot probably speaks for itself as well, as it was rather quick. Doesn't look like mafia needed a lot of discussion on this one so I'd say there's someting WBG said that was right besides Jackal being mafia that made them insta-vig him instead of, idk, waiting an hour to discuss wether they want him alive a bit longer to let him time to get is wrong reads across. Toad, don't overthink these shots... ;-) They probably were in panic or the guy with the gun was too late and they wanted to shoot him instantly... whether he was wrong or right is pure wifom. but i'll take a look... | ||
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On January 07 2013 05:29 iamperfection wrote: Show nested quote + On January 07 2013 05:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: oi supersoft I'm gonna mason you during the night cycle so we can just talk things out on IRC. The person I'm currently masoned to is proving less than useful (maybe afk) I really wish they would get on IRC with me because I'm starting to become really suspicious due to their complete lack of communication or presence in the thread. In the meantime I'll vote Jackal. Everything else is waiting for the person to get back to me. It'd be foolish to lynch me today. who did you mason? oh lol. okay that sounds great. pff you fool, is that masonstuff the great stuff you had in mind? :D okay yeah sure, but beware i'll analyze the shit out of our dialogue... | ||
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i have some things in mind, but i need to talk to MZ first... right now i struggle to believe that he's scum. | ||
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On January 08 2013 07:13 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I was masoned to foolishness for a day although my guess is intelligent people already knew that. You'll get logs after I discuss things with supersoft. OH REALLY? foolish? would it be foolish to talk to foolish you fool? i laughed so hard about that guy who didn't get it and asked ^_^ | ||
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On January 08 2013 08:20 debears wrote: WBG I was leaning town yeah sure. Even i was leaning scum on him. Think you're lying. I'll check you out later. Just want to point that out, so i won't forget about that. | ||
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On January 08 2013 23:17 Clarity_nl wrote: Show nested quote + On January 08 2013 23:07 Vivax wrote: Oh and why not care about Prom when you found Tunkeg suspicious? You keep skipping that, baddie. This is a good point, I like it, but why do you call him baddie? Do you think he's bad or scum? good god this question is just pointless. pointless questions are scumtells in my eyes. You all do it all the fucking time. Stop that. You know how hard you new guys are to analyze because of this stuff? Focus! Focus! It's too easy for scum to play in this town, because you all act like scum. | ||
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ofc we're not lynching someone who claimed permanent mason. you realize scum has to sac one kill on this, if MZ really should be scum. | ||
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On January 09 2013 02:55 iamperfection wrote: Show nested quote + On January 09 2013 02:41 supersoft wrote: i have the logs and i don't know why you want them so badly. ofc we're not lynching someone who claimed permanent mason. you realize scum has to sac one kill on this, if MZ really should be scum. They didn't have to sac a kill if you are so intelligent, why dont you share your wisdom with us? 2.5 KP - 0.5 KP = 2 KP =/= 2,5 KP = 3 Kills | ||
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On January 09 2013 07:02 Djodref wrote: wow grush killed himself on hopeless, I guess yeah and the scumteam killed chezinu?!?! rofl they must be dumb as shit. | ||
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On January 09 2013 07:18 VisceraEyes wrote: Mind sharing those logs now super? Since you know, you failed to do so before the daypost? no of course not. You explain me this KP shit first. | ||
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On January 09 2013 07:20 supersoft wrote: Show nested quote + On January 09 2013 07:18 VisceraEyes wrote: Mind sharing those logs now super? Since you know, you failed to do so before the daypost? no of course not. You explain me this KP shit first. MZ will post them, and i haven't read all his foolish/MZ stuff yet. if i find something exciting i will let you know... | ||
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On January 09 2013 07:23 VisceraEyes wrote: What are you talking about? The KP formula? It's explicit in the OP Scum# / 2 rounded up That means that with 5 members, scum get 5/2=2.5=3 KP to play with during N2. Not 2.5 KP. That insinuates that scum lost .5 KP during N2, when the OP explicitly states otherwise. Explain me what they did n1 if MZ is mason. | ||
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On December 29 2012 02:01 Kurumi wrote: Show nested quote + On December 29 2012 01:32 Toadesstern wrote: Oh another thing I just realized: Do mafias have to deliver the KP? As in: I'm the last mafia alive, I have 1KP, do I have to visit someone to punch him in the face or is it being delivered automatically without me doing something? If I HAVE to deliver the KP, can I deliver other amounts of damage? Like 2 people doing 0.5KP instead of 1 doing 1KP. Or one doing 3KP instead of 3 doing 1KP? If I HAVE to deliver the KP, can I do other things as well? Example: 1KP left, I want to sac 0.5KP for a PR and still punch someone for 0.5KP worth of damage. Can I do both? Mafia can at any point abstain from using their KP. They can even shoot team mates if they so desire. You can do both actions because you're crafty and night is quite long during the winter. You CAN'T attack with 0.5 KP(because you do have a full 1). Mafia of 5 starts with 2.5KP. If they want not to use it for roles, they might deliver 3KP of damage (since KP is rounded up). Since there is no Watchers, Trackers, Bullet Bills or any other funny roles like roleblocker it doesn't matter if you do or don't decide who's delivering the KP. ... | ||
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What Marvellosity did and what Viscera is doing right now is extremely unsportsmanlike. This is a game. And we all do it as a hobby. Kurumi was so kind to host this game and several others. This is my third Kurumi game i think (or second, but i followed one more i think) and his games really are fun to play. I love Kurumis set-ups because they are always surprising. That is part of Kurumi games and I love it. Last game we had i think 3 Vets (2 lifes) and it was a tense game until the end. These ragequits are extremely unfair and disrespektful. This is a game with 30 players. And I hate it, when 1 or 2 players destroy it with unfair ragequits. VE and his limited ability to read the Hosts announcements and his stupid, unjustified rage towards the host is really getting on my nerves. I am okay when you fake-rage or really rage towards other players. But the line is crossed, when you're spamming, insulting or provoking a modkill. WTF are you guys thinking? | ||
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You provoked Kurumi to modconfirm you as a townie. As if a scumplayer doesn't know how the KP work at this point of time and even if you had been scum, I highly doubt, Kurumi would have been explaining this stuff to you in this thread right here. I can write that here, because I am like 100% sure that if there is at least one decent scumplayer in this game here, he is just writing the same stuff to Kurumi and is asking for your modkill. The modkill I honestly believe you deserve for your shit right here. You overdone it: On January 09 2013 07:28 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On January 09 2013 07:26 Kurumi wrote: On January 09 2013 07:23 VisceraEyes wrote: What are you talking about? The KP formula? It's explicit in the OP Scum# / 2 rounded up That means that with 5 members, scum get 5/2=2.5=3 KP to play with during N2. Not 2.5 KP. That insinuates that scum lost .5 KP during N2, when the OP explicitly states otherwise. Wrong. Scum KP is rounded up after using roles. I didn't say anything about using roles. I stated the rule I read in the OP. Is that rule incorrect? How many KP did scum have during N2 before any roles were used? This is well within your ability to answer without giving anything away. On January 09 2013 07:32 VisceraEyes wrote: IT STATES EXPLICITLY IN THE OP THAT THE SCUM KP FORMULA IS #/2 ROUNDED UP. PERHAPS IF THIS IS NOT THE CASE AND THE FORMULA IS #/2 THEN THAT SHOULD BE REFLECTED IN THE OP YES?! On January 09 2013 07:35 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah, rule-changing D3 is beyond my ability to cope with right now. It doesn't even matter if this is the way it's been calculated since the beginning of the game, what matters is that I've been operating under a false pretense this entire fucking game up to now. I'm done with this for now...maybe the OP will be finished when I get back. On January 09 2013 07:53 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On January 09 2013 07:49 Kurumi wrote: On January 09 2013 07:35 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah, rule-changing D3 is beyond my ability to cope with right now. It doesn't even matter if this is the way it's been calculated since the beginning of the game, what matters is that I've been operating under a false pretense this entire fucking game up to now. I'm done with this for now...maybe the OP will be finished when I get back. I'd like you to keep playing or I am going to modkill you for playing against your wincon. I'd like you to define "keep playing". I thought it was pretty evident in the post you quoted that I'd be back, it wasn't anything like a ragequit, so I'd like you to quantify your statement so I don't get mod-lightning for no reason. Because the rules are subject to change at any moment, this is important for my team to win - knowing exactly how much inactivity is deemed "playing against your win condition". | ||
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On January 09 2013 08:38 kushm4sta wrote: you are out of line because kurumi was not incorrect when he wrote the op. it was just vague as to when the rounding step was taken. It's as much our fault as his for not asking it to be specified. Just read Kurumis filter. Everything is in there. | ||
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On January 09 2013 08:48 thrawn2112 wrote: super, who are you gonna vote for? and do you have a legit reason for not dropping the logs yet? well i need to talk to MZ first. As stated above he's very likely to be town. We discussed some players, but apparently we were wrong about Hopelessder etc. MZ foolishnesslogs will post the foolishnesslogs. And i have to read them. Right now i don't know who to vote for yet. One possibility should be Cheesecake. His filter looks really bad. We need to cut ScumKP down to 2.0 today. The missed vigshot was really painful. I haven't counted yet, but we cannot afford a mislynch today. | ||
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On January 09 2013 08:59 thrawn2112 wrote: Show nested quote + On January 09 2013 08:51 supersoft wrote: On January 09 2013 08:48 thrawn2112 wrote: super, who are you gonna vote for? and do you have a legit reason for not dropping the logs yet? well i need to talk to MZ first. As stated above he's very likely to be town. We discussed some players, but apparently we were wrong about Hopelessder etc. MZ foolishnesslogs will post the foolishnesslogs. And i have to read them. Right now i don't know who to vote for yet. One possibility should be Cheesecake. His filter looks really bad. We need to cut ScumKP down to 2.0 today. The missed vigshot was really painful. I haven't counted yet, but we cannot afford a mislynch today. I don't really like the CC lynch. It seems like the lynch most likely to be a mislynch and if he actually is town then a cc lynch would be the worst way we could waste our time. Why are you saying CC? Purely because of policy or what? I can completely see him beeing town based on how he played in witchcraft. what are your prom/djo reads? <supersoft> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=373946&user=286069¤tpage=All [01:55] <@Meapak_Ziphh> 1 page filter [01:55] <@Meapak_Ziphh> impressive [01:55] <supersoft> easiest target in game [01:56] <@Meapak_Ziphh> that's actually a little pathetic lol [01:56] <@Meapak_Ziphh> like [01:56] <@Meapak_Ziphh> how can you be that bad [01:56] <@Meapak_Ziphh> I shouldn't be harsh, my filter probably isn't much longer [01:56] <supersoft> i dont know [01:56] <supersoft> it's like sinani [01:56] <@Meapak_Ziphh> but with a filter like that I understand where the wagon comes from [01:56] <@Meapak_Ziphh> rofl sinani | ||
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On January 09 2013 09:02 supersoft wrote: Show nested quote + On January 09 2013 08:59 thrawn2112 wrote: On January 09 2013 08:51 supersoft wrote: On January 09 2013 08:48 thrawn2112 wrote: super, who are you gonna vote for? and do you have a legit reason for not dropping the logs yet? well i need to talk to MZ first. As stated above he's very likely to be town. We discussed some players, but apparently we were wrong about Hopelessder etc. MZ foolishnesslogs will post the foolishnesslogs. And i have to read them. Right now i don't know who to vote for yet. One possibility should be Cheesecake. His filter looks really bad. We need to cut ScumKP down to 2.0 today. The missed vigshot was really painful. I haven't counted yet, but we cannot afford a mislynch today. I don't really like the CC lynch. It seems like the lynch most likely to be a mislynch and if he actually is town then a cc lynch would be the worst way we could waste our time. Why are you saying CC? Purely because of policy or what? I can completely see him beeing town based on how he played in witchcraft. what are your prom/djo reads? <supersoft> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=373946&user=286069¤tpage=All [01:55] <@Meapak_Ziphh> 1 page filter [01:55] <@Meapak_Ziphh> impressive [01:55] <supersoft> easiest target in game [01:56] <@Meapak_Ziphh> that's actually a little pathetic lol [01:56] <@Meapak_Ziphh> like [01:56] <@Meapak_Ziphh> how can you be that bad [01:56] <@Meapak_Ziphh> I shouldn't be harsh, my filter probably isn't much longer [01:56] <supersoft> i dont know [01:56] <supersoft> it's like sinani [01:56] <@Meapak_Ziphh> but with a filter like that I understand where the wagon comes from [01:56] <@Meapak_Ziphh> rofl sinani and yes. Palmar and Foolish both behind it is 0 since both know how to bus. Sometimes, the easiest and most obvious targets are also good targets. and i have no current read on prom/djo. I was ill and university started, thus my time was really limited. I'll try to solve the game in the next few days (realtime-days). | ||
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Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh: Im on my way to the dentist, I'll give you my logs (there aren't a lot). When I get back. Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh: I'm Pacific time yeah. I can conceivably be on for the next 12 hours although I've been pretty sick the past couple days so I don't really want to stay up until 4am . I should be free in the morning of my time tomorrow. Here are my logs with foolishness, I'd rather you not post them in the thread until after we've had a chance to talk on IRC or something. + Show Spoiler + Original Message From Foolishness: It's alright. Yeah I didn't realize you changed accounts on skype lol I'm flying to Vegas today so I won't be around until nighttime unfortunately. I don't think you will get lynched anytime soon, and hopefully you won't get shot at night (there's a vigi already gone so I'm not too worried). Cheesecake is a much better case than you, and I even think there are a few others we can lynch over you (yamato, djo, Toad). And if you're actually mafia fuck you lol Show nested quote + Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh: For some reason I didn't have you added on my MZ skype account so I sent you a request, I stopped using the other one. I'll be on for the rest of the night, I didn't realize you were in Chicago otherwise I would have tried to do this sooner. Original Message From Foolishness: I'm watching right now too lol I assume you mean 8pm pacific time? I'm in Chicago right now but yes that time works for me. I should be around most of the day today (I'm not anticipating going anywhere). debears rubs me the wrong way cause he's causing more harm than good. Toad and Promethelax are good hits right now. I posted my thoughts in the thread about Chezinu the other day. Some of his posts just feel so out of place. He wants to troll but he also wants to make everyone feel like he's doing something in between all of that, and that's where I have a problem. He's not consistent in his attitude. I also may be thinking too much about it though lol You are right in that Palmar has seemed to slipped off recently. I don't feel like he's as active as he was day one. He may be doing the annul mafia thing (spam the thread day 1 then lurk forever). I value my sanity so I don't want to read his filter. I keep realizing that there's more people in this game than we think. Like UoN[sentinel]. Totally forgot he's in the game until I just looked at the player list. And there's Cheescake as well. If only Toad and VE and Palmar would die along with marvellosity so it'd be possible to actually post. Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh: I'm gonna watch the NFL wildcard games so would some time around 8 work for you? I actually disagree about debears, I've had him as a slight town read for a while. I agree with djo. I haven't bothered to read Toad's filter in a while because I value my sanity but I suppose I should do that at some point. Promethelax is under my radar as well but it's probably because he's not tunkeg and that's points in his favor in my book lol. Two more things. You really think Chez is scum? The last game I saw him roll scum was the one where incog picked america and nuked Ace or something. In that game He basically played as scummy as possible and people just wrote it off as Chez being Chez. This game though he's trolling but he actually seems to be helping a bit as well. Now I know it's hopeless to meta chez but I had him as a pretty comfortable town read. Palmar. I'm waffling on him again. After his burst of activity he had gone back to town in my book but with his subsequent lack of attention to the game and very apologetic posts I'm not sure again. I can understand being discouraged, it's rough starting a lynch and then having it be wrong, but that's not something I'd ever see hurting Palmar too much. Furthermore town palmar would never apologize or offer excuses for his play, he'd just be like "fuck you guys I do it my own way." Once again it's horrible to say but I'm really glad marv is dead, the game is so much more readable now. Original Message From Foolishness: Skype works better for me, but let me know. I'm still on winter vacation so my time is more limited than I want it to be x.x I haven't read the recent 20 pages yet, but I'm still going with yamato as top suspect now that idiot tube is dead. As I said in the thread I still don't know whether hopeless is bored/stupid or mafia yet, but I definitely support pressuring him today and tomorrow. For the remaining mafia, kush, debears, djo, chezinu, Lazer, seem like good candidates. Though I haven't looked recently I still would lynch Toad. He was my first mafia suspect and I've learned that my initial instinct in mafia games is always right (like chaoser in Liar Game Chair mafia). And anyways he's a spammer I don't think anyone will miss him =P I don't know about Palmar. His posts are always so abrasive that reading his filter puts me in a bad mood, so I never do. I know he likes to play a more passive than active mafia game, but I don't think he's been mafia recently either so who knows. And Promethelax! I keep forgetting about him since he replaced Tunkeg and has since done nothing and floated under the radar. I want to kill him lol Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh: Yeah I guess I should suck it up and find some time to be super active. I still can't really make heads or tails of a scum team here, none of my suspects really relate to each other the way I like to see when I'm scum hunting. One thing I've discovered is that I rely a lot on the interactions of different players with one another to form opinions and that's really nerfed in the spamosphere of a game. We should set up and IRC time so at the very least I can bounce ideas off of you. In the meantime what are your thoughts on Palmar? I was so very sure he was town at the start but then he just kept trolling. When he started his burst of contributing I was swayed because a lot of what he said made sense but I'm still queasy about him. Also I'm pretty sure WBG is town atm but if he doesn't start really pushing reads hard I'll start to wonder. I really need to reread marv and get a solid opinion of my own on him, right now I think tomorrow's lynch will probably be between marv and hopeless. Original Message From Foolishness: I don't know what's happening either. lol there were big chunks of the game I just skimmed through. The jubjubs are being jubjubs for sure. It's typical to assume that mafia are probably lying low and just letting the town destroy themselves. I'm sure that at least one of the spammers is mafia (Palmar, marv, VE, Toad, etc) but finding the others will be easier first. Since you brought him up, I'm not sure what to think about Tunkeg either. I did think he was mafia, but as I said in the thread all my suspects also think he's mafia. And I actually don't like how Promethelax is doing. He went, "it's k guys it was Tunkeg. What could I do? lol" and has since disappeared. He's not making an impact or doing anything. yamato is one of my top suspects. Jackal is mia. Hopeless I'm still unsure about. And yes, there are a lot of new names in this game. I'm just ignoring the spammer as best I can and focusing on the somewhat minor posters. Though there's lots of talk about you, if you just start posting now and focus on your suspects I'm sure you won't die. I guess people still want to kill marvellosity (his filter is too long for me to read him) so I don't know what might happen to him. Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh: We can talk until night 2. Any ideas on what the hell is happening in this game? I really have no idea what's going on. This game is incredibly spammy and its absolutely killed my desire to play. Its bad to say but I really wanted marv dead just so he would stop spamming the thread :/. I think supersoft is probably town and I'm pretty sure VE is as well. I wanted Tunkeg to be scum really bad so I could kill him but like I said, the case was too perfect. It reminded me of the time I killed VE d1 several months ago on a "perfect' case and he flipped town. Also tunkeg's replacement has done a bit better. There are just a lot of names I don't recognize making very forgettable posts if I had to kill someone it would probably come from the pool of cheesecake, yamato, or hopeless because my only memories of them is that they only appear to defend themselves. I masoned you because if you're town I figure talking with you will actually help me clarify some reads as opposed to watching people use their dicks for lightsabers in the thread. If you're scum masoning you isn't really going to hurt because no one will listen to me atm so it's not like you can use me to manipulate anyone. Also I'm not really gonna defend myself too hard if pushed so chances are I'll be dead tomorrow anyway. Just a really depressing and demotivating game so far... I can't believe the jubjubs killed BC. I'm pretty sure he's scum for a whole host of reasons. Show nested quote + Original Message From supersoft: okay, we're 8 hours apart i think. Tell me when you have time tomorrow and i'll find some time to talk. I don't feel too scared right now, since i haven't actively pushed my reads, but you never know. Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh: Im on my way to the dentist, I'll give you my logs (there aren't a lot). When I get back. Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh: sure thing how about: #againstallspam Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh: 1) here is the log of the convo we had + Show Spoiler + [01:30] <supersoft> yo [01:30] <supersoft> ^_^ [01:30] <supersoft> woa [01:30] <supersoft> i dont know why i am so tired [01:31] <supersoft> this is the first day i slept past 6 am [01:31] <supersoft> okay foolishness and palmar [01:31] <@Meapak_Ziphh> its cool [01:31] <@Meapak_Ziphh> foolishness is scum [01:31] <@Meapak_Ziphh> I'm like 99% sure [01:32] <supersoft> mhm i havent read your convo yet [01:32] <@Meapak_Ziphh> well it's based off of several things [01:32] <supersoft> palmar thinks foolish is town [01:32] <@Meapak_Ziphh> idk about Palmar [01:32] <@Meapak_Ziphh> I've been very lazy/haven't wanted to read the thread so I keep waffling about palmar [01:32] <@Meapak_Ziphh> but I'm very sure foolishness is scum [01:32] <supersoft> okay at least thats honest :D [01:32] <supersoft> okay why [01:33] <@Meapak_Ziphh> I'm fairly sure he is halfassing this game more than I am and foolishness doesn't half ass [01:33] <@Meapak_Ziphh> if you read our convos [01:33] <@Meapak_Ziphh> he has literally no reads [01:34] <@Meapak_Ziphh> now I could understand this if he thought I was scum and was trying to keep things away from me [01:34] <@Meapak_Ziphh> but foolishness is way better than me and knows he [01:34] <supersoft> yes, his Cheesycake-case is nothing [01:34] <@Meapak_Ziphh> if he was town and actually thought I was scum he'd have made damn sure he pumped me for as much information as possible [01:34] <supersoft> everything he did was just half ass [01:34] <@Meapak_Ziphh> second, if he was town and thought I was town he'd have had actual reads [01:34] <@Meapak_Ziphh> and he dodged when I tried to get him on irc [01:35] <@Meapak_Ziphh> now I know these are hard cold evidence [01:35] <@Meapak_Ziphh> but I've played with him a fair bit [01:35] <supersoft> mh [01:35] <@Meapak_Ziphh> and I just know he's off [01:35] <supersoft> and if he thinks youre scum [01:35] <supersoft> and hes town [01:35] <@Meapak_Ziphh> even if he thought I was scum he still would have talked to me as town [01:35] <supersoft> he probably doesnt want to die [01:36] <supersoft> might be a possibility [01:36] <@Meapak_Ziphh> like I said, he know's he's better than me, he would have pumped me for information and fed me shit reads [01:36] <@Meapak_Ziphh> I think he'd probably have fed me shit reads [01:36] <@Meapak_Ziphh> of course that's speculation [01:36] <supersoft> mhm [01:36] <@Meapak_Ziphh> all of this is [01:36] <@Meapak_Ziphh> but he just felt soo evasive [01:36] <@Meapak_Ziphh> and I've exchanged PMs with him before in game and it hasn't been like this' [01:36] <supersoft> yes okay [01:37] <@Meapak_Ziphh> that's all I got on him [01:37] <supersoft> well we have his thread appearance [01:37] <@Meapak_Ziphh> yeah [01:37] <supersoft> which is pretty bad, too [01:37] <supersoft> ^_^ [01:37] <supersoft> ahm [01:37] <@Meapak_Ziphh> I masoned him figuring if he was town I [01:37] <@Meapak_Ziphh> d [01:37] <@Meapak_Ziphh> figure it out [01:37] <supersoft> i dont think youre scum right now [01:37] <@Meapak_Ziphh> and sheep his reads tbh [01:37] <supersoft> tbh [01:38] <supersoft> i dont think the scumteam has a mason [01:38] <@Meapak_Ziphh> thanks haha [01:38] <supersoft> lol [01:38] <supersoft> after iamp claimed one-shot mason [01:38] <@Meapak_Ziphh> well the kp doesn't work out the way the jubjubs in the thread are speculating for me to be a scum mason which is why I just decided to out myself [01:38] <@Meapak_Ziphh> I'm a two shot btw so this is the last mason I have [01:39] <supersoft> i don't think they would bring a permanent-mason into the game [01:39] <supersoft> especially [01:39] <supersoft> after loosing 0.5 KP [01:39] <@Meapak_Ziphh> yeah [01:39] <supersoft> because a mason [01:39] <supersoft> costs them a whole Kill then [01:39] <supersoft> you know what i mean [01:39] <@Meapak_Ziphh> anything but kp roles seem pointless tbh [01:39] <@Meapak_Ziphh> but that's setup speculation [01:40] <supersoft> mh [01:40] <@Meapak_Ziphh> anyway if you wanna talk Palmar I'm down [01:40] <supersoft> down? [01:40] <supersoft> youre in or not? :D [01:40] <@Meapak_Ziphh> sorry it's colloquial [01:40] <@Meapak_Ziphh> something like "ready" or "willing" [01:40] <@Meapak_Ziphh> lo [01:40] <@Meapak_Ziphh> l [01:41] <@Meapak_Ziphh> anyway my primary concern is his burst of activity has not been followed up by anything at all [01:41] <@Meapak_Ziphh> also he apologized [01:41] <supersoft> :D [01:41] <supersoft> okay [01:41] <@Meapak_Ziphh> I've never seen him apologize for a post before ever [01:41] <supersoft> mhm yes yes [01:42] <supersoft> pfff i mean i was wrong about marv, too [01:42] <supersoft> but what the hell [01:42] <@Meapak_Ziphh> marv just needed to die tbh [01:42] <@Meapak_Ziphh> the thread would have never done anything with him [01:42] <@Meapak_Ziphh> like [01:42] <@Meapak_Ziphh> day 1 [01:42] <supersoft> you need to lynch another townie from time to time if he plays like scum [01:42] <@Meapak_Ziphh> shitstorm of the century [01:42] <supersoft> of course [01:42] <supersoft> that modkill was perfect [01:42] <@Meapak_Ziphh> yeah [01:42] <@Meapak_Ziphh> it gave the town a glimmer of hope lol [01:42] <supersoft> he would have cost us at lest a whole day [01:43] <@Meapak_Ziphh> exactly [01:43] <supersoft> yeah that was perfect [01:43] <supersoft> :D [01:43] <@Meapak_Ziphh> and then we got jackal which was awesome although I wish bugs hadn't outed himself [01:43] <supersoft> lol wbg looked so scummy [01:43] <supersoft> as scum, i would have been extremely suspicious of him [01:44] <@Meapak_Ziphh> when he's not calling people bad something is up lol [01:44] <supersoft> wbg was so strange [01:44] <supersoft> :D [01:44] <@Meapak_Ziphh> what's the story with this CC lynch train? [01:44] <supersoft> obviously blue if not scum [01:44] <supersoft> well [01:44] <supersoft> CC-lynchtrain [01:44] <supersoft> Foolish and Palmar both are behind it [01:44] <supersoft> ahm [01:44] <supersoft> i am not sure [01:44] <@Meapak_Ziphh> I can barely differentiate him from the rest of the newer players who don't post a lot [01:45] <@Meapak_Ziphh> I was trying to figure out what made him different [01:46] <@Meapak_Ziphh> oh one last thing that made me suspect foolishness, his reads are really strange. I mean mine aren't always great (read rarely) but he's suspicious of chez [01:46] <@Meapak_Ziphh> chec is pretty clearly town in my mind [01:46] <supersoft> chezinu? [01:46] <@Meapak_Ziphh> yeah [01:46] <supersoft> or cheesecake [01:46] <@Meapak_Ziphh> chezinu [01:46] <supersoft> yeah i dont read his posts [01:46] <supersoft> they dont give me anything [01:47] <@Meapak_Ziphh> chez scum looks a little different than this [01:47] <@Meapak_Ziphh> and foolishness should know this [01:47] <supersoft> i dont really understand what he's saying [01:47] <supersoft> okay [01:47] <@Meapak_Ziphh> I don't either [01:47] <supersoft> i played with chez 1 or 2 times [01:47] <@Meapak_Ziphh> but if you want a comparison read pyp interesting I think [01:47] <supersoft> and i always completely ignored him and hoped he's town [01:47] <@Meapak_Ziphh> or maybe it was another pyp game [01:47] <@Meapak_Ziphh> good policy lol [01:48] <@Meapak_Ziphh> you leaning town or scum on debears? [01:48] <supersoft> my english is not good enough to judge this player [01:48] <@Meapak_Ziphh> lol neither is mine and it's my native language [01:48] <supersoft> okay [01:48] <supersoft> you see [01:48] <supersoft> :D [01:49] <@Meapak_Ziphh> its more of a feel than anything else [01:49] <@Meapak_Ziphh> hard to describe [01:49] <supersoft> reading chez doesnt make sense [01:49] <supersoft> yes okay wait [01:49] <supersoft> back to cheesecake [01:49] <supersoft> and the new players [01:49] <@Meapak_Ziphh> yeah sorry [01:50] <supersoft> i layed my focus on the players i know so far [01:50] <supersoft> = [01:50] <supersoft> 5. Meapak_Ziphh 14. VisceraEyes 16. wherebugsgo 17. Palmar 19. Foolishness 23. Jackal58 27. BloodyC0bbler 21. supersoft 6. marvellosity 7. Toadesstern [01:50] <supersoft> but since there are so many of the dead [01:50] <supersoft> :D [01:50] <supersoft> i looked into some of the newer players, [01:51] <supersoft> but i am not finished yet [01:51] <supersoft> they look so similar [01:51] <supersoft> all of them [01:51] <@Meapak_Ziphh> that's been the hard part of this game for me [01:51] <supersoft> they're agressive and post huge cases [01:51] <supersoft> at points of the game [01:51] <@Meapak_Ziphh> first the spam of d1, then the similarities [01:51] <supersoft> where they're actually meaningless [01:52] <@Meapak_Ziphh> I mean look, I don't pretend to be fantastic at this game at all but it really irks me that a lot of these people actually have no idea how to play [01:52] <@Meapak_Ziphh> like it makes this game so frustrating [01:52] <supersoft> yeah [01:52] <@Meapak_Ziphh> I partially blame the newbie games since newer players never get a chance to see how it should actually work [01:53] <@Meapak_Ziphh> anyway I'm ranting, I'm just unhappy because this game has made me realize I won't be playing mafia again or at least until the meta changes [01:53] <supersoft> if i remember back to bureaucracy mafia, where marv or risk.nuke were like the worst players in the game [01:53] <supersoft> that was easy to read [01:53] <supersoft> this is just painful :D [01:53] <supersoft> but we'll get it [01:54] <@Meapak_Ziphh> hopefully [01:54] <supersoft> yeah sure [01:54] <@Meapak_Ziphh> anyway let's play the "kill one player" game [01:54] <supersoft> uh [01:54] <supersoft> how does that work [01:54] <supersoft> :-o [01:54] <@Meapak_Ziphh> just pick 1 person you'd kill if you could [01:55] <@Meapak_Ziphh> I'd personally kill hopeless [01:55] <@Meapak_Ziphh> he only ever shows up when he gets attacked [01:55] <@Meapak_Ziphh> and his cases have been really bad [01:55] <@Meapak_Ziphh> he's probably my n1 scum read atm [01:55] <supersoft> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=373946&user=286069¤tpage=All [01:55] <@Meapak_Ziphh> 1 page filter [01:55] <@Meapak_Ziphh> impressive [01:55] <supersoft> easiest target in game [01:56] <@Meapak_Ziphh> that's actually a little pathetic lol [01:56] <@Meapak_Ziphh> like [01:56] <@Meapak_Ziphh> how can you be that bad [01:56] <@Meapak_Ziphh> I shouldn't be harsh, my filter probably isn't much longer [01:56] <supersoft> i dont know [01:56] <supersoft> it's like sinani [01:56] <@Meapak_Ziphh> but with a filter like that I understand where the wagon comes from [01:56] <@Meapak_Ziphh> rofl sinani [01:57] <supersoft> #2 VE [01:57] <@Meapak_Ziphh> you sure? [01:57] <@Meapak_Ziphh> I could link you a game where I tunneled VE d1 for very similar play [01:57] <@Meapak_Ziphh> one sec [01:58] <supersoft> mh [01:58] <supersoft> you realize that he stoped playing that game at all and keepy whining [01:58] <supersoft> it's embarassing [01:59] <@Meapak_Ziphh> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=336250¤tpage=72#1426 [01:59] <@Meapak_Ziphh> here's what I was thinking of [01:59] <supersoft> Because I'm bad at the game. *shrug* [02:00] <@Meapak_Ziphh> you could be right about him, its just ever since that game I've been vary wary of going after him for being dumb [02:00] <supersoft> okay he was vig back then [02:01] <@Meapak_Ziphh> oh just remembered bang bang 2 [02:01] <@Meapak_Ziphh> if you want proof I'm not scum this game [02:01] <supersoft> :D [02:01] <@Meapak_Ziphh> just go back and read that game haha [02:02] <supersoft> i have my mason proof that should be enough :D [02:02] <@Meapak_Ziphh> idk if I can find any other examples of me killing VE [02:02] <supersoft> but yeah [02:02] <@Meapak_Ziphh> I just went through kita's thread [02:02] <@Meapak_Ziphh> damn that thing is useful [02:02] <supersoft> yes indeed [02:04] <supersoft> mhh [02:04] <supersoft> hopelessder [02:05] <supersoft> what do you find scummy about him [02:05] <supersoft> especially [02:05] <@Meapak_Ziphh> if my memory serves he really only comes into the thread to defend himself [02:06] <@Meapak_Ziphh> at least people like lazormonkey and iamperfection post regularly [02:06] <@Meapak_Ziphh> kushmasta or w/e could also die for the same reason [02:07] <supersoft> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=373946&user=123725¤tpage=All [02:07] <supersoft> thats hopeless [02:07] <supersoft> he says some reasonable things [02:07] <supersoft> i dont know [02:08] <supersoft> he thinks wbg is scummy [02:08] <supersoft> after wbg attacked him [02:08] <@Meapak_Ziphh> I was literally just going to point that out [02:08] <@Meapak_Ziphh> but I mean [02:08] <supersoft> this omgus is more a towntell than a scumtell [02:08] <@Meapak_Ziphh> the second half of his filter is all defending himself [02:08] <supersoft> my opinion [02:08] <supersoft> yes and he stoped playing d2 [02:09] <supersoft> slightly scummy [02:09] <@Meapak_Ziphh> just realized that [02:09] <supersoft> he posts that he doesnt think that BC and or marv are good lynches d1 [02:09] <supersoft> however he votes BC [02:09] <supersoft> ir did he [02:09] <supersoft> w8 a sec [02:09] <@Meapak_Ziphh> also this is an easy position if you're scu [02:09] <@Meapak_Ziphh> m [02:09] <@Meapak_Ziphh> since they were both town [02:09] <supersoft> yes yes [02:10] <supersoft> thats really scummy [02:10] <supersoft> looks like he knows they're town [02:10] <supersoft> and his scumteam is superhappy [02:10] <supersoft> -> he knows that these lynches suck [02:10] <@Meapak_Ziphh> hardest part of being scum is accusing people you know are town haha [02:11] <supersoft> ^_^ [02:11] <@Meapak_Ziphh> balance wise I'd figure one of foolishness/palmar/toad has to be scum [02:11] <supersoft> you know i was scum only one time [02:11] <supersoft> :D [02:11] <@Meapak_Ziphh> they already had one vet in jackal [02:11] <supersoft> ,y second game or so [02:11] <@Meapak_Ziphh> Ive been scum like three times and hated it [02:11] <supersoft> i have no idea [02:12] <supersoft> i think it would be funny to play as scum [02:12] <supersoft> but i don't know how it turns out to be [02:12] <@Meapak_Ziphh> eh I just dislike it, I don't like having to make up a story and keep it straight [02:13] <supersoft> mh i don't know [02:13] <supersoft> i change my position really really often as town [02:14] <@Meapak_Ziphh> well I think it's fine to change position, it's just much easier as town because it's like "yo I was shown new information, of course I changed" [02:14] <supersoft> d4++ i have my lists [02:14] <@Meapak_Ziphh> whereas scum have to justify it [02:14] <supersoft> but until then [02:14] <supersoft> ^_^ [02:14] <@Meapak_Ziphh> froggnoddy, vivax, clarity, sentinal [02:14] <@Meapak_Ziphh> one or more of them could be scum [02:14] <supersoft> not clarity [02:14] <supersoft> vivax is boldgreen on palmars list [02:14] <supersoft> i am suspicious of him [02:15] <supersoft> because of d1 things [02:15] <supersoft> i didn't check him yet again [02:15] <@Meapak_Ziphh> if palmar was scum it'd sure be like him just to balls out put a teammate in green on a spreadsheet [02:15] <supersoft> mhm i am starting to change my position on palmar :-/ [02:16] <@Meapak_Ziphh> maybe I missed it but imperfection is a one shot mason right> [02:16] <supersoft> however i had a really strong townread on him [02:16] <supersoft> really [02:16] <supersoft> yes [02:16] <@Meapak_Ziphh> ok [02:16] <supersoft> iamp is one-shot mason [02:16] <supersoft> and took a hit [02:16] <supersoft> n1 [02:16] <@Meapak_Ziphh> he's town I guess, his role is close enough to mine [02:16] <@Meapak_Ziphh> yeah [02:16] <@Meapak_Ziphh> I guess I'll buy that [02:16] <supersoft> wait [02:16] <supersoft> close enough? [02:16] <supersoft> how is that a reason ^_^ [02:17] <@Meapak_Ziphh> it says in the OP that roles can have varying number of uses [02:17] <@Meapak_Ziphh> only reason I think that's there is because some roles vary in the number of uses it can have [02:17] <@Meapak_Ziphh> what I'm saying is I believe him despite his role not being identical to mine [02:18] <supersoft> aha okay [02:18] <supersoft> ^_^ [02:18] <supersoft> oh shit [02:18] <@Meapak_Ziphh> hmm? [02:18] <supersoft> i got to go to university [02:19] <supersoft> ahm [02:19] <@Meapak_Ziphh> oh alright [02:19] <supersoft> are you around [02:19] <@Meapak_Ziphh> well its 2am for me and I'm still sick haha [02:19] <supersoft> shortly before deadline? [02:19] <@Meapak_Ziphh> should be [02:19] <supersoft> perfect [02:19] <supersoft> okay [02:19] <@Meapak_Ziphh> wait [02:19] <supersoft> mh? [02:19] <@Meapak_Ziphh> no [02:19] <supersoft> :-o [02:19] <@Meapak_Ziphh> fuck I need to find out what time it is [02:19] <@Meapak_Ziphh> sex [02:19] <@Meapak_Ziphh> sec [02:19] <@Meapak_Ziphh> lol [02:21] <@Meapak_Ziphh> sorry i trying to figure out the time [02:22] <@Meapak_Ziphh> well I really doubt you're gonna die tonight [02:22] <@Meapak_Ziphh> and there's no way I'll die [02:22] <@Meapak_Ziphh> we're masoned for the day cycle as well [02:22] <@Meapak_Ziphh> we should still be able to talk [02:23] <supersoft> yes i hope so [02:23] <supersoft> you never know [02:23] <supersoft> but yeah, i am not very concerned, too [02:23] <supersoft> cu^_^ [02:23] <@Meapak_Ziphh> alright have a nice day [02:24] <supersoft> u2 Second, I won't be around for the day post, that'll be around 2pm for me and I'll be out (I'm on pacific time) and the earliest I'll be back will be 3 hours later (so somewhere around 10 KST, idk what time that is for you). Last message i receaved a couple of ours ago while I was asleep: Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh: RebirthofLegend just messaged me on skype because he thought foolishness and I were still masoned, apparently he's replacing foolishness because foolish doesn't have enough time. This makes me think that foolishness might actually not have enough time to play and isn't just trying to fake it as scum (I'm sorta friends outside of mafia with them so I just gut believe this, maybe I'm wrong). In that case, I think you and I should try and kill Palmar today, I'm getting more and more certain the less active he is. Also if we assume that foolishness is actually town it means his read on Toad could be real, since Toad has been afk along with Palmar this is actually a plausible setup. | ||
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On January 08 2013 08:53 supersoft wrote: impression so far: he'll have a bad time if he hasn't brushed his teeths... i am sad noone is getting my dentist-joke... :-( | ||
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VE is completely on speed since he got confirmed and votes all over the place. when i get home i'll decide whether we lynch Palmar or not. Today we lynch scum and not idiots. facts will decide. This is no witch-hunt. | ||
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On January 10 2013 03:06 Palmar wrote: Show nested quote + On January 10 2013 01:49 VisceraEyes wrote: This might be the very first time I woke up to less than 40 posts to read. :/ Palmar and Toad can absolutely die. DIE. Naysayers. CHARLATANS! They're not reading the therad. Verily, they don't care to catch up or find scum. Palmar requested that we lynch him instead of vig him. Let's oblige him. ##Unvote: debears ##Vote: Palmar Hello VisceraEyes. Go back and read the logs with iamperfection, and look at my spreadsheet from day 1. Then come back and explain to me why I am scum. Yes I'm not doing anything, you know how much I hate having one of those dumb off games. I do care about finding scum, which is why I'm holding off my vote until I can make a decision (we still have like 30 hours right?). You need to explain why you think I'm scum so I can analyse your thought process. your patience scares me, Palmar. you know there is no thought process besides: "Oh look at the last 3 posts! he looks like he refuses to scumhunt." | ||
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i could really use some help here... | ||
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there is no case - is there? | ||
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On January 10 2013 03:26 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm not taking anything regarding what people say are the rules as tells - the rules were unclear in the OP and so that's a null point. thats true, you never know how much intel the scumteam had at day1. it's highly likely that they havn't thought about masons until i started the mason discussion. i am like 90% sure that they have no mason. consequently debears statement doesnt confirm him like your rage did to you. obviously you would know how the kp work, a player like debears at day1 i am not sure... | ||
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On January 10 2013 03:29 Palmar wrote: Show nested quote + On January 10 2013 03:26 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm not taking anything regarding what people say are the rules as tells - the rules were unclear in the OP and so that's a null point. But the intention behind the post is to help confirm townies. Why even mention it if he's scum. you assumption is false that scumplayers dont make mistakes like that... ah i don't know... got to read his whole filter... probably not a solid lynch for today i kind of agree, it's unlikely that he knew better and faked it (still possible though), | ||
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On January 10 2013 03:35 VisceraEyes wrote: What's funny about your statement super is that NONE of us knew how the KP worked on D1 because it was misrepresented in the OP. But whatever, it is what it is. i am talking about you n2 compared to debears d1 | ||
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but meh... i don't know... agenda... | ||
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at this point they knew that i knew that MZ must be town. he died 11 pages later... | ||
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On January 10 2013 08:45 Palmar wrote: It's a good point VE. @Prom Supersoft's main thing is how ridiculously quickly he stamped me town on day one when I was in hardcore troll mode. On July 24 2012 00:03 supersoft wrote: Okay I am home, let's clean up. First of all, I want you to explain what really happened this game: It's always the same, the scumvets and the townvets fight for the townleadership. 2 Townvets, syllogism and sandroba had an insanely strong start. + Show Spoiler + On July 16 2012 18:00 syllogism wrote: Show nested quote + On July 16 2012 15:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: On July 16 2012 15:43 Blazinghand wrote: To add to my previous post, which is unreasonably short: That's awfully irresponsible of you, M_Z. Are you FoSing him without calling him scum? Way to take any air whatosever out of your FoS. You're probably worried that you'll be told by your overlords that he's scum with you and you want an excuse not to vote him later. ##unvote ##vote: Meapak_Ziphh lulz didn't scroll. So apparently I need to define FoS. Stands for Finger of Suspicion. Gives a heads up to Chez that his current play isn't working and that he needs to change or it's lynch time. When I vote for someone, I want them to die and will work for that unless significant evidence can convince me otherwise. If you just throw votes around like you (and bugs -_-) are doing, they get the air taken out of them. My post was prompted by remembering Chez's previous gambit I saw him play. Either he continues to play scummy and we kill him, or he shapes up and plays nice. Obviously he could still be scum even if he shapes up but it'll be much harder for him to cause chaos if he's playing nice and we catch him later on. So do you think his play so far is indicative of him being mafia? If so, do you want him to change his behavior or do you want to lynch him? Do you always give people who you think may be mafia "heads up" so they can change their play? Moreover, do you think your "warning" will make him change his play? Hi sandroba, you around? On July 16 2012 19:09 syllogism wrote: Show nested quote + On July 16 2012 14:49 Probulous wrote: Wow, that was useful... Ok since no-one seems to want to actually participate, here are some thoughts of mine of the setup. Aside from trying to kill town, the only thing that binds mafia as a team is their strategy dictated from above. From my reading this is sent during the night. Thus day 2 is going to be crucial. We should be aware of people who change reads for bad reasons or suddenly become active. Basically anyone who suddenly gains direction overnight will be a good target to poke. As for Day 1, I think participation and clarity will be extra useful because mafia now know that they are setting themselves up for difficulties in Day 2 if they pick targets Day 1. People with clear targets are going to have to work harder to change them if a different CEO strategy comes in. Thoughts? My thoughts are that I would like to lynch you for this post. This reads like someone wanting to seem like they are contributing, but you are a smart person so you should know there is no reason to post something like this on day 1. You are basically announcing beforehand what you will consider mafia behavior and as town there is little reason to do that as you specifically want mafia to act according to your expectations. I knew that they were town from the first couple of posts. Foolishness and Palmar saw that, too. I know exactly that they saw it because they tried to attack both of them instantly. There is no way, that Palmar honestly thought that syllogism is scum at the end of day1. Show nested quote + On July 17 2012 02:27 Palmar wrote: Supersoft nailed it. MVP. I'm going to stop playing and start working on a bronze statue of him to erect in my bathroom. he even tried to pull me on his side. So my first allegation is basically this: Palmar attacks Syllogism even though he knows that he's town. Second allegation: Some people are wondering why we chose Palmar all of a sudden, while I for example was defending him until n2. As you see, I faked it. + Show Spoiler + On July 17 2012 02:43 supersoft wrote: Show nested quote + On July 17 2012 02:37 sandroba wrote: On July 17 2012 02:36 Mattchew wrote: CAN SOMEONE READ WHAT I POSTED ON KATINA, AT THE VERY LEAST TO JUST TELL ME IM WRONG You are wrong. Katina alignment is non conclusive right now. Move on to ah I corrected that list for you ;-) *stop going for palmar. All of you. That guy works best if you let him do his job. judge him based on his results not based on his playstyle. + Show nested quote + On July 17 2012 02:27 Palmar wrote: Supersoft nailed it. MVP. I'm going to stop playing and start working on a bronze statue of him to erect in my bathroom. this makes him the most hillarious player so far. We can't afford to lose him. On July 22 2012 03:01 supersoft wrote: Town-vets& 26. Palmar town 3. Sandroba town 11. Supersoft town ???-Vets& 6. Foolishness 10. Meapak_Ziphh 16. GGQ 7. VisceraEyes 15. syllogism Troll 8. Bill Murray 18. Chezinu dead 25. RebirthofLegend town 19. Kurumi town 13. Wherebugsgo town yes you do VE. I devided the playerlist in two parts. in these parts in another 3 parts *4 parts for this part. because 3 of this list are already dead. There were 13 players on that list. That means about 4 of them are scum. 3 of them are dead and one of them is me. 1 is sandroba and 1 is palmar. 2 of them are troll i cannot possibly read because they never make any sense. syllogism makes most sense of the 5 remaining players. leaves you, mz, foolish and GGQ if one of the trolls is scum and i made one mistake, 2 of you are scum On July 22 2012 03:40 supersoft wrote: no wtf are you doing to me. I refiltered palmar and I agree on everything he says except syllogism and katina. this was extremely fake. Sorry I had to do that, I wanted to lull Palmar into a false sense of security. On July 22 2012 04:15 supersoft wrote: Show nested quote + On July 22 2012 04:07 Palmar wrote: On July 22 2012 03:32 supersoft wrote: ah very well. Palmar do youi have any powers? Even if I thought revealing my role was beneficial, why would I do it during the night? maybe i am a vig and i don't want to misfire. :-D this however was extremely real. I had Palmars kill already typed in several times at n2. I was suspicious of Palmar right from the start, when he attacked syllo and sandro for no reason. I wanted to see how Palmar plays without pressure and we all saw it: He was fucking useless. Third: His roleclaim *facepalm* Show nested quote + On July 23 2012 23:12 syllogism wrote: You are right, I think he messed up and forgot that RoL died first, though obviously he can't claim RoL's role as that could be tested immediately. If he gets to choose whose role he takes, there is no way he would take WBG's pardoner role as that's worthless. the thought that Palmar picks up a pardoner-power when he's town is just ridiculous LET'S LYNCH THAT SCUM this is my usual way to play with you palmar. This game i just didn't switch over into killing you... | ||
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28. Mr. Cheesecake Toad almost 100% confirmed scum in my eyes right now... Sorry dude. I got you. Don't even dare to argue yourself out of this ;-) You might aswell admit it. Cheesecake obviously... 19. Foolishness replaced by RoL 17. Palmar one of them should be scum, balancewise. Not an issue today, since we got more solid lynches... I am no sure about debears, sure he's terrible, asking pointless questions, is lying etc. etc. but many of you do that... huh... | ||
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3 Targets for today: Toadesstern, Debears and Cheesecake everyone read these guys again! | ||
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we don't want two wagons... Scum can easily manipulate the wagons in that case. Right now we have 4 targets... if you coint prom as one... | ||
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On January 11 2013 03:36 kushm4sta wrote: I read through toads filter and it feels town. Quotes! | ||
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On January 11 2013 06:04 kushm4sta wrote: if toad is scum, ve is town. if toad is town, ve is scum. those are my current thoughts. your thoughts are worthless. You're trying to connect things that dont belong together. If Toad is town, debears is scum If toad is scum, debears is 0, more likely town | ||
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On January 11 2013 06:08 debears wrote: Show nested quote + On January 11 2013 06:07 supersoft wrote: On January 11 2013 06:04 kushm4sta wrote: if toad is scum, ve is town. if toad is town, ve is scum. those are my current thoughts. your thoughts are worthless. You're trying to connect things that dont belong together. If Toad is town, debears is scum If toad is scum, debears is 0, more likely town Why is this exactly lol? ahm you're right that's not true, i just wanted to mirror kushmasta... It should be 0, more likely scum... | ||
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debears - (5) Promethelax yamato77 Djodref [UoN]Sentinel Vivax Toadesstern - (8) supersoft VisceraEyes Clarity_nl Toadesstern HiroPro RebirthOfLegend thrawn2112 kushm4sta Mr. Cheesecake - (3) Lazermonkey iamperfection debears Have not yet voted - (2) Mr. Cheesecake froggynoddy | ||
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On January 11 2013 06:36 kushm4sta wrote: HUH?? when is mylo makes perfect sense to figure out because it might be the case that we can't mislynch today or something... inwhich case cc last second vote woudl win scum the game. we should figure out when it is ( i think tomorrow) because you know scum is going to be thinking about that I am concerned because your vote is on Toad, however you seem to believe he's town and you're trying to connect his alignment to VEs and my alignment! Because of that i am getting fucking concerned, because i am starting to think you're scum... | ||
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On January 11 2013 06:41 kushm4sta wrote: @ss I don't think VE and toad are both scum. that is the only connection. oh yes i forgot, I pointed out that this is bullshit and after that you added me to your shitty list. Do you realize how terrible you are at this game? Better just shut up. | ||
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On January 11 2013 06:44 kushm4sta wrote: Show nested quote + On January 11 2013 06:43 supersoft wrote: On January 11 2013 06:41 kushm4sta wrote: @ss I don't think VE and toad are both scum. that is the only connection. oh yes i forgot, I pointed out that this is bullshit and after that you added me to your shitty list. Do you realize how terrible you are at this game? Better just shut up. why do you want me to shutup if im scum? I don't know if you're scum, if Toad is scum, you're probably town. Since I believe Toad is scum, i think you're just a terrible townie. Therefor i am telling you to shut up, because youre terrible. | ||
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On January 11 2013 06:45 VisceraEyes wrote: It would be a pretty strange scumteam sending Kush in here to be its mouth at lynch time. SS what did you think of RoL entrance to the game? pfff I don't know. Well he supports Toads lynch. That's okay i guess... So basically 0 right now... I thought foolish is scum... Blargh... | ||
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On January 11 2013 06:50 VisceraEyes wrote: Oh bteedubz, Toad's vote on himself...Kush unvoting extraordinarily scummy to me. dude i am fucking scared right now. i am 0,00001 steps away from swtiching to debears lol | ||
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On January 11 2013 07:10 Lazermonkey wrote: Why no modkills? late voteswitch, asking for game-ending modkills? my winrate is screwed :'( | ||
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On January 11 2013 07:15 Lazermonkey wrote: Show nested quote + So you think CC is town? My vote switch did not matter for shit. Toad would've died anyway and I prevented an eventual voteswap over to debears from CC.On January 11 2013 07:13 supersoft wrote: On January 11 2013 07:10 Lazermonkey wrote: Why no modkills? late voteswitch, asking for game-ending modkills? my winrate is screwed :'( didn't think of CC. Was just raging about the outcome of this game... | ||
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we fucked up. | ||
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gg all! | ||
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On January 11 2013 23:47 syllogism wrote: I think the claim was perfectly fine and necessary as from his perspective just pushing jackal lynch could get him day vigged and I'm not sure if town could be trusted to lynch jackal just based on him flipping 1-shot cop. I guess really obviously breadcrumbing it could have worked, but I would have claimed the check as well. Actually he could have been shot before claiming the check OR pushing to get jackal lynched. wbgs decicion was fine, the mistake was that the town got paralyzed. | ||
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for the future we need a much harder punishment for these kind of plays. i guess VE rage outburst shouldnt be punished further... the modkill is enough punishment. he played the game and wanted to win. he had one inapropriate moment. | ||
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On January 12 2013 01:03 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On January 12 2013 00:58 supersoft wrote: CC, froggynoddy, toadesstern, marv all played innacceptabel. for the future we need a much harder punishment for these kind of plays. i guess VE rage outburst shouldnt be punished further... the modkill is enough punishment. he played the game and wanted to win. he had one inapropriate moment. Calling for modkills of other players (VE) in-thread isn't acceptable either, dear. so you think i should have been modkilled? | ||
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On January 09 2013 08:44 supersoft wrote: You just don't get it right? You provoked Kurumi to modconfirm you as a townie. As if a scumplayer doesn't know how the KP work at this point of time and even if you had been scum, I highly doubt, Kurumi would have been explaining this stuff to you in this thread right here. I can write that here, because I am like 100% sure that if there is at least one decent scumplayer in this game here, he is just writing the same stuff to Kurumi and is asking for your modkill. The modkill I honestly believe you deserve for your shit right here. You overdone it: Show nested quote + On January 09 2013 07:28 VisceraEyes wrote: On January 09 2013 07:26 Kurumi wrote: On January 09 2013 07:23 VisceraEyes wrote: What are you talking about? The KP formula? It's explicit in the OP Scum# / 2 rounded up That means that with 5 members, scum get 5/2=2.5=3 KP to play with during N2. Not 2.5 KP. That insinuates that scum lost .5 KP during N2, when the OP explicitly states otherwise. Wrong. Scum KP is rounded up after using roles. I didn't say anything about using roles. I stated the rule I read in the OP. Is that rule incorrect? How many KP did scum have during N2 before any roles were used? This is well within your ability to answer without giving anything away. Show nested quote + On January 09 2013 07:32 VisceraEyes wrote: IT STATES EXPLICITLY IN THE OP THAT THE SCUM KP FORMULA IS #/2 ROUNDED UP. PERHAPS IF THIS IS NOT THE CASE AND THE FORMULA IS #/2 THEN THAT SHOULD BE REFLECTED IN THE OP YES?! Show nested quote + On January 09 2013 07:35 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah, rule-changing D3 is beyond my ability to cope with right now. It doesn't even matter if this is the way it's been calculated since the beginning of the game, what matters is that I've been operating under a false pretense this entire fucking game up to now. I'm done with this for now...maybe the OP will be finished when I get back. Show nested quote + On January 09 2013 07:53 VisceraEyes wrote: On January 09 2013 07:49 Kurumi wrote: On January 09 2013 07:35 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah, rule-changing D3 is beyond my ability to cope with right now. It doesn't even matter if this is the way it's been calculated since the beginning of the game, what matters is that I've been operating under a false pretense this entire fucking game up to now. I'm done with this for now...maybe the OP will be finished when I get back. I'd like you to keep playing or I am going to modkill you for playing against your wincon. I'd like you to define "keep playing". I thought it was pretty evident in the post you quoted that I'd be back, it wasn't anything like a ragequit, so I'd like you to quantify your statement so I don't get mod-lightning for no reason. Because the rules are subject to change at any moment, this is important for my team to win - knowing exactly how much inactivity is deemed "playing against your win condition". i didnt even ask for a modkill. | ||
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On January 12 2013 01:19 iamperfection wrote: isnt saying you deserve a mod kill the same thing as asking for one? ...if you say it out loud: maybe :D | ||
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On January 12 2013 01:51 kushm4sta wrote: also town loss was 70% ve's fault NOT!!! Thats just not true!!! | ||
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On January 12 2013 01:40 VisceraEyes wrote: Supersoft when you started raging about how I was confirmed town I was VERY suspicious ofyou. Why would town be angry about a townie "soft confirming" himself? Although I still attest that thinking this way is horrible play, it didn't make sense from a townie perspective. ....but you wanted to help me kill Toad XD Yeah i wanted to try to look objective and fair, i just tried that move and I just wanted to troll you a little :D + i wasn't raging :D In Skype i was like YEAH YEAH YEAH, VE is killing himself! Read back, i provoked you all game long :D I did that on purpose... I wanted to post a youtube video at some point from killbill2 where this one clubowner tells bills brother how uselss he is, just to provoke you. | ||
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One big difference between my game-personality and my real personality is, that i am much more agressive in games. I catch myself being pretty rude sometime... And i really regret this afterwards. I think it's because i use the english language exclusively in the environment of LoL, and those of you who play LoL, too know what i am talking about. This community is broken :D if you give away FB, your only chance to focus on the game is ignoring everyone else in the game. :D + Often times i don't find the proper words to point out things that make no sense (to me) besides calling them "stupid" When i am talking or writing in german i never use any "bad words". Because i don't need these to express thoughts. I am working on this really hard, i think in comparison to my former games, i was much more polite this game. But too often i am just too lazy to look up proper words. Yeah and ofc I love you all. Final thanks to my scumteam. I had a great time with you watching this game and laughing in our skype channel :D | ||
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On January 12 2013 04:52 Djodref wrote: Show nested quote + On January 12 2013 04:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On January 12 2013 04:38 Djodref wrote: Hello everyone ! Thanks to the players and the hosts ! I think the problem town had this game was the bad town atmosphere and the heterogenious activity from the players. I also think that people are giving too much leeway to the vets, Palmar, Foolish and Jackal should have been lynched D1 for what they did. We were very lucky with the BC bandwagon. Also for the further games, I think you can safely policy lynch thrawn based on his activity only But it's ok because he always gets to play town, so he is going to participate in the game rather than in the scumQT for the next one I think you can also policy lynch me quite safely because I always get mafia >.< I think my play D1 and D2 was poor, and I've tried to improve in the last days. But I was really lacking the time at some point. Regarding the setup I'm impressed by the number of blues town had in this game. I think it would have been imbalanced if we didn't figure out that we could abuse the dayvigs. I think that dayvigs should be removed by the way, but not the rounded KP part if town has so many blues. I also think that the Lurker Policy day one is a very good policy. Setup overall was actually pretty balanced given you guys had the abilities you did and near all powers town had were dt aligned in some way in slow cops, role cops, etc... Each blue was basically a gimped version of a real blue role so we had 12 gimped blues which would equal roughly 6 real blue roles. You guys had 6 members. Given that you guys could turn all your kp into day kills and get 3 auto kills no matter what the game was actually quite favoured for you guys regardless of our numbers. You guys also go lucky no one actually took my list of scum seriously before i died =( Yes, very lucky, basically nobody cared of anyone's will after the kills. Chezinu wanted lcearly thrawn to be dead. You had nailed us, as well as Palmar, who had be immediately shot for it. "OH GOD IT LIVES - KILL IT!" | ||
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gjgjgjgj viscera 1/9/13 07:01 Original Message From Kurumi: too late, accepted old things from vivax, Show nested quote + Original Message From supersoft: we buy 2 dayvigs, Vivax Supersoft and one nightkill on clarity | ||
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On January 13 2013 07:34 marvellosity wrote: just on a general note, I don't think i've ever had a serious vote on me as scum on day 1. This could be, in the future, taken as "har-de-har, what a lame defence for being scummy." But in 7 scum games and about 20 town games, this has been the case. I've regularly come under pressure and received votes day 1 as town, many times in fact, and never as scum. For the love of god, leave me until day 3 when i'm not catching scum or being productive. My day 1 reads are terrible and most of the time I'm just prodding to try to find out what's going on. thats why it's stupid to lynch vets d1-d2... | ||
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Of course its demotivating for scum, if they lose one good player, but usually good players get caught easily later on. The chance you catch someone who just is ill or something else is extremely high :D € yeah and therefor i shot wbg, because he was the only one i was scared about in this game :D i don't know... i really was :D | ||
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On January 13 2013 15:51 wherebugsgo wrote: Show nested quote + On January 13 2013 08:25 supersoft wrote: of course not!!! my only real policy is "don't lynch potentials early"... even d2. Of course its demotivating for scum, if they lose one good player, but usually good players get caught easily later on. The chance you catch someone who just is ill or something else is extremely high :D € yeah and therefor i shot wbg, because he was the only one i was scared about in this game :D i don't know... i really was :D hahaha you remember in pyp when I grilled you over your exam or something like that that was soo funny yeah i had exactly that game in mind :D i'll never forget you had no mercy :D | ||
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