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You know that Hoelessrider saw the OMGUS vote by Kush on you at the start of the game? How do you see him calling Kush out about that as a scum move? It's like he actually cared about that vote on you. Now Kush admitted that it was a stupid vote on Lazer, so I can see a townie motivation behind Hoe noticing that vote. @ Kush Why do you suggest to reveal reads but not the (meta-)reasoning behind them? _/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__ I would like to feed rope to tube or VE. tube came in with a nice fuck you all - post, implying he's not going to do anything for the rest of the game. I think that deserves a reciprocal answer. VE looked unsure at the start of the game. He joined the wagon on WBG when people weren't making a big deal out of Palmars and Toads first posts. Marv called him out for this, but VE jokingly shook it off by referring to Palmars' reasons for voting Bugs. Shortly before, supersoft also asked Lazer if he would vote WBG. Lazer expressed his preference for lynching grush. Maybe VE saw this question as the trigger to go for a serious bandwagon against Bugs, betting on supersoft being prepared to drop another vote on him. Other than that, VE's posts are ruining my precious neurons by being useless for this game while actually making him look like he cares. Something similar can be said for kush, but his abrasive nature along with a certain feeling of commitment made me give him townie points. _/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__ The Tunkeg wagon is stupid. You should read him in Hero Mini Mafia, he got mislynched as veteran, dropping a retarded battle poem before his death. I highly doubt a mafia Tunkeg would be THIS identical to his town meta in another game. The analogies live up again. He comes in with a huge, scummy post of rather summarizing nature, to start fighting against everyone and anyone finding him scummy for it, just to disappear again when shit hits the fan. Shortly before lynch he comes in with some martyr post, trying to look epic while being lynched and fed to the pigs for being a dicks. I've never seen Chezinu in action, I find his posts quite entertaining, although I usually like to get rid of role players since I've played against a scum Kurumi doing that. The thing about being a mafia safety net confused me a little, nonetheless: Brown power, Brown power! _/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/\__ | ||
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Do you still stick to your WBG wagon? I have actually a hard time knowing whether you are serious about it or not, you said you are, but it doesn't quite get into my head. | ||
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07:11 - You ask Lazer if he'd vote WBG 07:30 - You say bugs lynch isn't gonna happen anyway. 07:59 - You'd like to lynch MZ (why?) I kinda have trouble in seeing your motivations here. Like, why asking 07:11 when you know 07:30? Then randomly 07:59? | ||
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What about him calling out strange votes, defending Bugs? Being called out by Toad for calling out the Bugs lynching policy? Toad voted for Bugs together with Palmar. Toad calls the guy out opposing their duo. You have to weigh in the townie points as well. Why would a scum hopeless question the legendary, infallible, bearded majesty of Eyafjallajokull Palmar this early, assuming that Palmar is town (which should be your current assumption)? | ||
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Since clarity wants to lynch lurkers and others want to lynch trolls, how about we go for a nice lurking troll lynch, namely tube? He kindly told us to go fuck ourselves, the cocky scum entrance trick. | ||
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The reason I post timestamps is cause I write important post to a document and try to filter out the shit, that's why VE's only post in there his vote on WBG. Who do you want to lynch? | ||
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Here, my answer: I'm asking you questions to find out if you're scum duh. Cause I'm town duh. I repeat: Who do you want to lynch? | ||
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You were so sure that he had to know Palmar was town. Other than that, I think you're really playing drunk. | ||
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N1 Mafia picks 2 roles for 0.5KP - they have 2 KP left for kills. D2 they start with fresh 3KP - they might sacrifice 1 kp for the Day Cop leaving them with 2KP at night - but they can still sacrifice more. I hope everyone understands this, nobody asked how it exactly worked so here you go. I thought mafia would pick their roles only during the night. Looked to me like super was trying to stop masons from being confirmed for the townies they chose to talk to. Clarity, are you in for a tube lynch? | ||
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Lazermonkey 07:04 – policy lynch grush? Kush also ok. Toad 07:06 – vWBG Palmar 07:08 – vWBG supersoft @ Lazer 07:11– Would you vWBG? Hoelessrider 07:12 – I no policy lynch. Give grush a chance, but I would go after lurkers. Lazer @ supersoft 07:12 – Rather lynching grush. Hoe 07:14 @ kush – Kush OMGUSD lazermonkey. Hoe @ yamato 07:17 – Screw the trolls, why does Bugs have 2 votes on him? Yamato @ Hoe 07:18 – Toad and Palmar always troll Bugs. Who cares. Yamato @ Palmar 07:21 – So you'd lynch Bugs like I suggested last game? Maybe it'd be good to lynch Bugs. (not so trolly here) !VE 07:24 – vWBG (07:32 called out by marv) Lazer 07:29 – Bugs isn't a bad townie out of own experience. Supersoft 07:30 – Bugs lynch isn't gonna happen (this early). Grush 07:30 – Bugs is good, let's not lynch him. !Palmar 07:31 - “Your” chainsaw defense. (who?) supersoft 07:59 – I'd kill Meapak_zyph iamp 08:22 – leaning scum on kush cause of “running away” Lazermonkey @ iamp 08:23 – Grush ran away as well. Marv 08:36 – vKush would be ok Lazermonkey 08:37 – vKush Tunkeg @ marv 08:42 – Wtf, you can't lynch Kush for being a dick. !Yamato 09:08 – Hopeless scum, promised reads for later. !Tube 09:09 – ugh, aggressive trolling Tunkeg @ yamato 09:12 – You think Hopeless is scum for opposing Bugs lynch? Lazermonkey @ Tunkeg 09:19 – You're being a dick, leaning scum on you. Kush 09:36 – vLazer sucked, let'S go for vHopeless There you go. But fuck you Palmar. | ||
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I'd be quite content to kill tube. I'm not sure about this Bugs thing, I don't have that prejudice against him. | ||
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That use of statistics sucks anyway without checking its statistical significance. | ||
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This part should be skipped by the host: + Show Spoiler + (Cause it wasn't too obvious in the OP). But there was actually one guy not making the same mistake... :> | ||
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He actually seemed to be sure that scum can immediately use the kp. But I don't know if he's more experienced and knew the setup already or just an idiot. You are the mafia veteran here. Do you know him from earlier games?Is this setup with mafia using KP for roles brand new or has it been used earlier? | ||
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But it pisses me off that you ask for my notes within 10 minutes and want 1 day to post yours. I'd like your opinion on froggynoddy, his posts give me an artificial feeling. | ||
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5 of the shorter quotes out of 6 pages of filter. And marv defending Tunkeg is quite townish anyway. | ||
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In sum with the other points you wrote about him, that should make a decent D1 lynch. I don't see where your townread on froggy comes from. He improved a little on his latter posts, but his first posts look pretty bad. | ||
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I'm not lynching marv yet, I want to lynch VE or froggy. The logs look super townie. Iamps posts don't look as townish as Palmars. Can we be really that sure that iamp is not scum?Palmar? Assume for a moment that marv is town, who would you lynch then? | ||
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I will judge him by his play, not by this, so he doesn't get all lazy and cosy. @ Lazer, how do you go from "I will lynch Palmar if he doesn't show these logs" to "Yhea, I can vote marv?". Do you have arguments of your own for voting marv? Or @ everyone: When was the last time Lazermonkey pushed a lynch of his own? | ||
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On January 03 2013 20:55 Lazermonkey wrote: *snip* Things I hold against Hopeless 1.His reaction here 2. The fact that he has posted quite a bit but yet taken a strong stance anywhere. I have a hard time seeing how town Hopeless would react in such a way, while I can see several reasons for scum Hopeless to do so. Lazer, what did you find scummy about Hopeless' reaction at that time? Y'know, point 1. | ||
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That doesn't make him scum yet since he might be busy at a swinger party with his Brown brothers, but I'm waiting for his play to unfold...in a better way than his previous. I also liked Adams' question to Clarity. Clarity picked the lurking vet, Jackal, instead of Tube, the douche lurker. Call me biased about this, but I also find it more likely that tube is scum since he was so theatrical about his post, and Adam gets townie points from me for noticing that Clarity made a weird choice. Why don't you post reads about froggy or lazer marv? Lazer promised to post, so I can see that, but froggy? | ||
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But the fact that you didn't try to make something up for sheeping the case on marv reeks townie to me. Here, have some slack. The marv wagon is retarded though. Who's in for lynching Kush? His comeback seems too convenient, what about his Cheesecake, hopeless and HiroPro reads? There would be enough resonance for those lynches, why doesn't he attempt to push them and instead sheeps Palmar mindlessly? | ||
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On January 04 2013 23:57 Lazermonkey wrote: Lynching kush is about the worst we can do at this point IMO. It's nice that you bring up your reasoning for whatever you say. | ||
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I second thrawns' thoughts about CC, and I agree with his arguments about LM except for the argument with the "looks bad"-phrasing. I'm not lynching Lazer based on some retarded phrasing-argument. As a birthday present, I demand that we lynch VE, Kush or Lazermonkey. Hopeless, I don't see what you see about that red highlighted stuff. You want to lynch Lazer or not? @ Thrawn I want to know why you said that town kush is easily identifiable in your post about LM. Do you think he is town in this game?How is he easily identifiable as town when he isn't as scum? | ||
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That was a really awesome end of day 1 to start with. I'm about to read the 20-30 pages of thread that popped out in about 5 hours to find out who is responsible for this shit. Palmar can proclaim himself the king of poop for this day. | ||
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On January 05 2013 02:44 VisceraEyes wrote: I just don't know anymore. I wanted to lynch you until you told me the bit about being disappointed and why, but thinking back it would have been easy as fuck to cater than answer to me. So I'm now taking it as null and by extension you as null too. Palmar's case is missing stuff - like the fact that this is your median activity/contribution level D1s regardless of alignment, and the fact that a town marv (who respects Palmar's ability as a player) WOULD want to lynch Palmar...but like Toad, it's been at the exclusion of everything else. And because I should be pretty obviously town to you, and because my sheeping shouldn't come as a surprise to ANYONE REGARDLESS of my alignment, least of all you, I wish you luck with the mob. I won't be adding my vote to the tally just yet, that's the extent of my effort in your defense. Dude, is VE chronically affected by sheepitis? If so, then why does Toad find him strange despite knowing him for longer? Can anybody confirm this statement? | ||
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I'm gonna leave VE be VE for now? Would that be good play? | ||
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I have just read your case on hopeless. Were his posts from other games town->scum->town->town ? | ||
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On January 05 2013 10:09 wherebugsgo wrote: pretty close. 3/4. Any other guesses? Step right up, show your skills at the game of "Meta Me: Hopeless1der Edition!" No more guesses, I'll take another look at him. That also means I gotta take another look at LM. | ||
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On January 05 2013 10:19 marvellosity wrote: this is pretty much stating the obvious, yes. Jackal I have no idea. Vivax's vote looks kinda bad but I'm not seeing scum in him right now otherwise. wbg's is the weirdest. He could be town with townreads on BC and I both, or he could be scum with prior knowledge of alignments. That said, I don't know why he'd make himself stick out by voting someone on the outside, seems kinda an unnecessary way to draw attention to himself. I actually regretted not putting my vote somewhere else after going away, I thought I'd be back before deadline, and before I went away no one came anywhere close my favourite lynch candidates. I kinda like that VE took some initiative on moving the wagon to BC, not as much for the target as for the change in behaviour. But that is a rather new development. He gave marv a hand there, that's for sure. | ||
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Marv, you should count until 10, then come back, and read the new 10 pages of game that popped out. We are going to crush the scum hiding behind Palmars huge huge huge shadow. | ||
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That's what I'm doing atm. Srew this setup, trading KP 1:1 for dayvigs is OP. I'm glad to see that iamp got saved though (= . | ||
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Remember how Sentinel attacked you for attacking Jackal? It's in the third nested quote. I actually didn't like your town claim argument for suspecting him, but his behaviour regarding Jackal is quite stinky. He also endorsed both a marv and a BC lynch without caring about it. + Show Spoiler + On January 05 2013 21:48 Clarity_nl wrote: [UoN]Sentinel be scum This is Sentinel's big post, before the point he's kind of joked around and lurked and gone with the flow but now he's coming out in full force you guys! Let's start with the very first sentence: "lol you guys I wish I was scum, because if I was scum I would continue lurking, therefore this statement is me implying I'm town" Implying that you are town is a scummy thing to do, town have no need for it, they ARE town, they don't have to imply it. But more telling than that is that Sentinel betrays his own priorities, namely that while reading through the thread the first thing he looks for is if anyone is suspicious of him. Town look for scum, and if they see a case on themselves then they might react, they don't react to the fact that there is no case on them. He then responds to the one post that ever mentioned him up until that point, and promises the thread that he will stop lurking and be the best damn scumhunted this world has ever seen. Sure enough, he does end up posting around the time he promised, but the result is.... less than expected. Remember "two fingers to point, preferably more" Well, technically it is two fingers, one on myself and one sheeping bugs onto Palmar. The "case" on myself is filled with true statements. I called Tunkeg town a bunch and I "tunneled" (read: policy voted and reinforced) Jackal. Then he calls my tunneling bad because it was ineffective. He then says that I don't back up my statements. He ends it all with saying he'll go read one of my older games and that he'll "give me the benefit of the doubt because I might be sick" Wait. He doesn't think I'm scum? He also never ends up commenting on my earlier game, which would have been different from this game, so I am going with: He lied So half of this "promised grand entrance of a post where he will work as long as it takes!" is an inconclusive read. All the true statements he made add up to nothing. Surely the other half will be better? Not quite. Not only a conditional vote which are the worst kinds of vote, but the tone of it implies he believes the logs exist at this point., where many doubt it. Ofcourse he wouldn't doubt a town Palmar had the logs if he himself were scum. But he promised to stop lurking, so maybe he'll pick it up later on? Again, not quite. I am.... so confused right now..... so instead of trying to figure out what's going on I guess I'll go...... READ ADAM YEAAHHHHH I feel that marv town is plausible. I haven't really read the thread. Please convince me that marv is scum. Wait. But I thought Jackal made this post: So Jackal is telling us he hasn't read much after his post on me/palmar, after said post he posted the above AND FOUR HOURS AFTER THAT, HE POSTED THIS POST I SHOWED EARLIER He's trying to tell us he hasn't read the thread properly, and he's confused, and his first TOWN reaction is to go read up on Adam?!?!?! The rest of his filter is questions that don't go anywhere and jokes, of which there are quite a few. Regardless his filter is basically one page long, since 15 of his posts are in the pregame. Where is the promised activity, where are the promised "fingers to point", where is town Sentinel? He doesn't exist, he's scum. Lynch this fucker, he be scum. Tell me what you think of him now. | ||
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Townie things I see about sentinel are him digging up a game where he realizes that he wasn't talking about marv, it's improbable for scum to doublecheck their statements and then even admit they were wrong about something unless it's going to give them potential trouble. He's also pretty honest about the reads he doesn't deliver. He says it's sponsored by lithium carbonate, maybe he wants to tell us he suffers from some disorder. He's not a hot candidate for me right now, but he has made scummy decisions during the marv vs. BC phase. That caught my attention. There are still enough points out to reconsider it. I don't agree with some of claritys reasons for finding him scummy initially, and I don't agree with him being town cause he was assuming scum wouldn't shoot bugs. It's easy to make such posts when you know what's going to happen, it's essentially WIFOM. I prefer looking for general attitude and motivations. | ||
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On January 06 2013 22:15 Promethelax wrote: aw dammit. My crazy theory was wrong too. Bye Keir <333. Vivax, quick summery. Why is Sent scum? It was a response to this btw. | ||
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But upon double-checking I just saw you made a bigger mistake, since iamp actually claimed before Sentinel wrote that. Here, I'm referencing: On January 06 2013 08:36 iamperfection wrote: Im from my phone but if you guys need something to discuss. I was shoot and saved last night. pretty intresting I guess. Back later but still always watching. On January 06 2013 13:58 Clarity_nl wrote: *snip* With this in mind: I find it hard to see mafia either making this mistake by accident, or making it on purpose to seem like town. Therefore Sentinel is town. Despite my case on him I quite liked his defense, in combination with this it clears him in my book. MZ is an obvious target for everyone but there has been no resistance to it, much like the marv and bc lynches, so it's putting me a little on edge and I'll be spending today trying to find alternatives (although I generally do this anyway even when happy with the main lynch target) As you see, Sentinel wrote that after iamp claimed it. So, why do you think Sentinel is town again? | ||
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On January 06 2013 23:28 Chezinu wrote: Did you see it? It's pretty cool once you can see it. No, I've seen all variants of these tricks but I don't see anything in this one. Do you play with 3d glasses on or something? | ||
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Can anybody deliver? | ||
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Let's lynch debears! YES! YES!! YES!!! First off, something rather crucial I noticed while digging through debears' filter: + Show Spoiler + To which iamp replied: + Show Spoiler + On January 04 2013 08:29 debears wrote: ah kk ty. I thought you were to supersoft. Would've had you as hammered scum if you said supersoft. Anyways, I'm glad you answered MZ Open that link and actually go read that post debears was talking about. We see posts by Hiro and marv on the previous page, they talk about killing hopeless, monkey, supersoft. Marv says MZ and Palmar are trolly. Alright, so iamp actually referenced MZ in reply to Hiros' statement that "he" doesn't seem to be reading the thread. It's actually not evident at all who "He" is, in this part of the thread it's like impossible to know if the people talking are actually understanding each other. And yet, debears was immediately satisfied with iamps' answer, even though to me it looks that iamp himself misunderstood who they were talking about. And that gives me reason to believe that debears wasn't interested in pursuing iamp in the first place, he was interested in making pseudo-cases. Debears is less active than he was in Hero as town. About 4 pages filter difference in the same amount of time. His two scum games feel a bit different to his current play, but maybe he's just more experienced now, it's hard to tell since he played scum in two of his first three games. There are more points leading me to believe he is scum: 1. He speculated about the NK, placing his suspicion on iamp, just to say that it doesn't matter for him at the moment. + Show Spoiler + On January 07 2013 04:35 debears wrote: Hey guys I want to point something out about Iamp that I'm not liking right now 1) He claimed mason 2) The scum know that day vigs are unblockable 3) the scum for some reason felt the need to nk iamp, even though he's a mason who already used his power with palmar. All scum would have to do is wait til right after the nightpost to shoot him with an unblockable day vig instead of risking being blocked 4) We had 2 cops flip d1, including a role cop. the mafia were at a much lesser risk of being caught with their dayvigs with those flips 5) They didn't nk anyone else, yet had day vigs for 2 others. I'd say if Iamp makes it to lylo, you guys had better lynch the sucker. The mafia's choice to nk instead of dayvig would make no sense if true. However, I don't want to lynch Iamp because of the case that he could possibly be the mason and use his shot sometime Remember that time when he gave Iamp slack without actually looking properly at the talk behind it? Now he's interested in him again, based on scum actions. 2. Policy talk, plus following it would have made it pointless to post something + Show Spoiler + On January 03 2013 14:13 debears wrote: Should be pretty clear. Random lynching is more successful than actual trying to lynch a scum by scumreads d1. You can't diss random lynching 3. Wrong setup speculation: + Show Spoiler + On January 03 2013 17:16 debears wrote: Btw guys something to note If we have a mason, if you talk to someone starting day 1, you are confirmed town to that player. Mafia do not get powers til night 1 I believe 4. Non-committal posts when called out about shit-throwing: + Show Spoiler + On January 04 2013 08:35 debears wrote: Honestly I'm not sure. I am still not sure. Your opening posts brought a very serious mood to a very trollish thread. It was way off the feel of the thread. But, it was off the feel of the thread in a pro town manner. At the same time, it would be an easy post for scum. Yet, it would be unnecessary for scum to give direction to the thread at that point. 2 points for town. 1 for scum. So, while I initially found it scummy, I now feel you much less likely to be scum 5. Pointless posts: + Show Spoiler + On January 04 2013 09:03 debears wrote: Btw guys do we have a separate voting thread? If not, Could we get a votecount from our always pleasurable hosts? Spankyou hosts On January 07 2013 05:34 debears wrote: We have 30 ppl in this game. I'd say 6-8 blues is a good number for expected amount of blues With your claim: 7 total Our current list of power roles: Slow Alignment Cop Slow Cop One-time Alignment Cop Vengeful Vigilante Role Cop x1 *one time mason* (iamp) *full game mason* (MZ) That's 7. We are tredding on dangerous territory with this number of claims On January 06 2013 04:11 debears wrote: In short, Idk who is scum at this point. I'm not trusting anyone with names, for fear of them being scum and misleading me. If I withold names, then scum can not know if I'm talking of their teammates 6. His case on Tunkeg + Show Spoiler + On January 04 2013 12:19 debears wrote: The Case of the Ages: A Statement Against the Dark Lord Tunkeg The Brown Brotherhood Cosigned: Chezinu the Brown and Debears of the Brown Alright guys, based on the quality of the thread day one: I have come to two conclusions The majority of the troll players are more likely town. The serious players who are disruptive are most likely scum. Also, note that I don't care if the troll players are scum right now. That means they have no say in our town discussions, which is a good thing. If they are town, they have a chance to come back and contribute. There is one person who is most definitely taking this game seriously, yet is probably the most disruptive person in the thread. That person is Tunkeg. There are a few things I want to point out about him: 1) His lack of actual reads 2) Bad reasoning on his posts with actual reads 3) His insulting attitude and shitfests with people who he thinks are town (and pretty much everyone in the game) 4) His difference in these from previous games Together, these add up to one simple thing: he doesn't actually care to figure out others in this game and promote a good town atmosphere 1) His lack of actual reads Here are some sample posts of his roundabout reads in game + Show Spoiler + On January 03 2013 09:29 Tunkeg wrote: Again lean whereever you want. Alot of easily insulted townies tend to call me scum, because it is easier then actually dealing with me. There isn't much to read in to just yet. Except the fact that what Palmar is doing isn't what he is doing when he puts his serious town game face on. Also my posts are far more usefull than your own. You leaning town on yamato at this point is so very care. And besides that you have just tried to justify a policy lynch on grush and posting a stupid gif. Leaning NOTHING on you BRO! Obviously, he wants to stress how he isn't making a read to piss people off. Still no read. On January 03 2013 09:22 Tunkeg wrote: Like pretty much all the posts in this game thus far. He then stated pretty clearly that he is not interested in any policy lynches besides a lynch lurker policy. If his posting thus far make him look pretty bad, I wonder how you scale things, because really, this little information on him is in my book not even enough to be leaning one way or the other.I don't like these types of FOS'es at all. A more serious tone. No actual read. But hey, he loves talking of previous games + Show Spoiler + On January 03 2013 22:31 Tunkeg wrote: I'll tell you one thing, I for damn sure wouldn't change my meta when rolling scum. I would do the exact same thing I allways do. So if this an arguement for me being town you will be surprised when I finally role scum. It is not, it is hard as fuck. It took half the scumteam tunneling me, spearheaded by probably the one player who got the most leverage on TL Mafia atm. And I didn't even bother defending. I have been mislynched twice. Once on day 2, which shouldn't have happend if I had bothered arguing. Once endgame, where I wouldn't have been mislynched had the player with the final vote cared to apply more logic than emotion to his vote. I am however allways under heavy fire day one. But in the end I never get lynched. The reason for this is that the reasons for wanting to lynch me is allways thin at best and based on poor logic. On January 03 2013 22:36 Tunkeg wrote: Hah, the only time I have lost against you is when I didn't bother taking you on. If anyone had bothered taking you on in that last game you'd been exposed. In fact I think I will just point out every time you say something illogical this game, just to keep you honest. And then maybe, just maybe if you happend to have rolled scum this game as well there will be someone daring enough to make a case on you. On January 04 2013 07:58 Tunkeg wrote: LOL, I don't get lynched every game, get your facts straight, I have gotten lycnhed twice in mafia, thats it. Also are you implying that the rest of us isn't reading the thread, which is wrong. The difference is that we are required to post reasons behind our votes, why the fuck should not the "good" players be required to do so? Yes, I think Foolishness is being incredible lazy for just posting two posts thus far, and only throws down a vote on Toad without any reasons. Yes, I think Palmar plays incredible wierd and stupid this game, if he is town it is just unnecessary. If you want to worship them, then be my guest, I won't, I want them to earn it every fucking game they play, just like Palmar did in our last game. There's no reason to keep bringing up your past games multiple times for shits and giggles if you are actually trying to figure this game out 2) Bad reasoning with actual reads He has 2 notable posts with reads in his whole 3 page filter. + Show Spoiler + On January 04 2013 00:17 Tunkeg wrote: So I am up to date on the thread. I think there are some obvious townies in the mix, and some players who I am more concerned about. I am still concerned about Palmar. His policy-tunneling of WBG is getting old. He look abit to careless for being town-Palmar. He have also seemed to be avoiding confrontation with marv (at least until Palmar now called marv a bitch, which is what I would expect from a town Palmar), when marv basicly is soft pushing Palmar for scum. Lately he is starting to push people around abit, and smacking them about, this I like. I would still say I get more scumvibes from Palmar than townvibes. Enough to want to lynch him day 1? HEEELLLZ NO! If Palmar is town, him being somewhat suspicious might save him night one. He will also then start racking up scumreads and push scummies, if this doesn't happend he is scum. debears I am more concerned about. Even though this is meta, and meta basicly from one game, the change of style is very apparent. In Hero Mini Mafia he was active and pushing town objectives from the get go. He, together with Palmar, got Adam lynched. This resulted in him getting NK night 1. This game all he have done is talk about random lynching and discussing set-up. Besides that he have lurked. I don't get this sudden change in play, from something that obviously worked great and was very pro-town in Hero, to something that is completely useless now. I am leaning scum on him for this. Clarity_nl is someone I am also concerned about. This is also meta, and a one game meta. In Hero it was clear as day he was town, he played very pro-town (Even though not allways being right). This game he isn't putting in the same effort. He want to lynch me, then no, then he puts out a read on Palmar, that gets corrected, and he admits it was wrong. Then he goes for a policy lynch on Jackal. It is not the pro-town play he did in Hero. He is suspicious. tube gives me the heebie-jeebies with his: I don't see any town motivation for doing it. He needs to get on and start playing so that we can read him. Foolishness is MIA, and should get in to thread ASAP. 1) I actually liked his reasoning on Palmar in this post. However, he soon after completely goes back on that On January 04 2013 00:45 Tunkeg wrote: You know what. Fuck it. Stupid Palmar=scum Palmar.And now Palmar is being so careless and stupid that I want him gone as well. ##Vote: Palmar Mind you that that is only 30 minutes after the first post if I read correctly. 2) Look at what he says on me and clarity 1. His suspicions are based on meta 2. His suspicions are based on a half day of comparison to meta 3. He only takes meta from one game 3) Here, let me throw in the obvious easy lynch candidate who will create no controversy in lynch when we can vig shot him This is not townie analysis at all. So half hearted and faked it makes my scum-dar ring loud + Show Spoiler + On January 04 2013 00:19 Tunkeg wrote: This is a great post from you. I was about to write you up as suspicious for not really contributing, when going through your filter. This is the kind of thining I expect from town-Adam. What is the reasoning for making this post as town? This makes no sense. 1) It's a town read 2) It's a town read based on one post 3) It comes halfway into day 1 There is no reasoning for a townie to do this at all. 3) His insulting attitude and shitfests with people who he thinks are town (and pretty much everyone in the game) Look in his filter for most of these. Here are a couple Playing thread cop is fucking stupid for a townie. Especially when you get in 1 on 1 fights with people and you aren't actually refining reads out of them. Scummy as shit. I want to add in that the above three main points are the only thing in Tunkeg's filter. He has no content. 4) His difference in these from previous games Let me show you a couple of his posts in Hero Mini. What do they show? Him trying to figure shit out and give reads + Show Spoiler + On December 11 2012 04:23 Tunkeg wrote: So I have skimmed through the thread. And these are my thoughts: Thrawn's "claim" is a joke claim. He did it in the very beginning, and quickly and without concern went back on it. I didn't like his response when called out on it. But when he in the end explained why he did as he did, it was an ok (no more, no less) explanation. I truly think people read to much into stuff like this, and overfocuses on it. I have many times made posts early that people have labeled stupid, with them voting for me and almost misslynching me (mainly because they didn't get my logic behind doing them, even after I explained it). I don't think the millar "claim" is anything worth spending much time analysing, but I would say that I find it more likely that a townie would do this. I like Clarity's post on jaybrundage. I think jaybrundage's posts are very non-commiting, and very fluffy. I have played games with jaybrundage before, and I may be wrong, but I think his style resembles what he did in Student, where he was scum. A very wishy-washy style, where he eventually did some major slips. I am also abit concerned about Djodref, I think he is posting alot, but his posts are very fluffy. I haven't played with him before, is this his style or? On December 12 2012 02:17 Tunkeg wrote: So I will probably lynched tonight and really I am not that bothered by it, because it will give you some good pointers on who you can trust this game, and who should be scrutinized. Palmar is basicly confirmed town for me at this point. If he was scum he could have easily pushed me with the rest of you. As he stopped reading before he got to me in his video. If he did in fact read his PM after that video, and had flipped scum I think he would be going with the flow, and going for me. If there is a JK in this game he should definately jail Palmar to protect him from harm. He is the town that scum will be gunning for, 100%. Adam is very likely scum at this point. I think he plays exellent as town, at least he have the games I have played with him, but is easily figured out when scum. This game he have been very vague, and unconfrontational and filled up his post with mostly nonsense. He have put out his feelers on multiple players to see if he can get something started. The kicker though is his less than convincing last post where he says I have a high chance of flipping scum. When adam says stuff like this I know he is either scum, or fed up with the game, he is to good to just put an unreasoned vote on me like that. I believe he is scum. Clarity_nl have to be town. His play so far have been very pro-town in my eyes. All that he have done so far are screaming town to me. He asks the right kind of questions, he calls people out when he thinks they are scummy, and he have even made a little case. If he isn't town I will muchachoes surprised. thrawn212 I have a townread on. Yes, he made a stupid joke play in the beginning. Yes he is totally missreading me, to such a degree that I find it laughable. But I think he is a stupid (in lack of a better word) townie, and not a scum player. I feel his intentions are good, but that he isn't really thinking things through. A tip for you thrawn, find some townplayer to sheep, that is pretty much the best you can do for town. wherebugsgo is probably scum this game. You should look into him after killing adam on day 2. A part from his 80%preliminary scumread on Palmar, which is so very useless, he have basicly done nothing but trying to get me lynched while leaving numerous backdoors open which he can slide away into if his push on me fails, Adam, Munk-E. Adam being a choice he is pretty much forced to have on his list, as he is very obviously scummy. And even though wherebugsgo does anything to win an arguement, he is missrepresenting facts and twisting words to such a degree that it is ridculous. My favorite thus far is: + Show Spoiler + On December 11 2012 23:56 wherebugsgo wrote: generally with Adam and Tunkeg if they shy away from discussion they're probably scum. A lot of the time I find that when they are town I notice when they're present and know their opinions, and when they are scum they don't say anything useful. Take Adam and LI for example. Adam was incredibly passive and I put him on my scumlist at some point because I kept thinking, damn, Adam isn't doing anything, but no one noticed him. (I also didn't bring attention to him because I was more concerned with VE and that stupid Toad + VE shit but this is irrelevant to my point) Adam I know for a fact is complacent and passive as scum, and that's how his play here is. I don't feel like he has made any strong posts and he doesn't seem to have anything to contribute either. Tunkeg tends to draw attention to himself as town (usually unintentionally) by putting forth his opinions or reads or doing things that people don't like for whatever reason. I know I myself have chewed him out for doing things like that. I don't recall ever playing with him when he was scum, but I imagine that his scum play is similar to most other players lately; just really complacent and passive. Where he actually knows my scummeta without me ever having played scum on here. That is pretty impressive, and twisty, and made up, and bs... When someone goes after me like WBG have done in this game I usually ask myself: scummy or stupid? I think WBG's townplay is above avarage for sure, and I don't think he is as stupid as his posts in this game makes him out to be. So the conclusion is that he is scum. jaybrundage is scummy to me as I previously stated. He haven't posted much since, but I still find his posts very very fluffy and without content. He is unwilling to commit to any of his "reads" and he contradicts himself within the same posts, like: + Show Spoiler + On December 10 2012 12:27 jaybrundage wrote: I swear to god if thrawn doesnt explain him self. Hes the most anti town player i have seen in a while. Frustrating really. I am only hesitant to vote him because i dont like early bandwagons in general. It hurts the conversation and shit to read if we all are voting the same person. Regardless of how unlogical his claims maybe (for town). Thrawn can you please drop your sharade and just attempt to explain your reasoning. Or as i said before your gonna get lynched Djodref I am leaning scum on, for all the same reasons as before. He have made his fair share of posts, but all I see in them is .................. ....................... ........................... (nothingness). He also made a case on me that is less than weak. Vivax I am back to a neutral stance on. I am not sure wheather his questions have been made to look active, or if he is just lazy, stupid and reads bad enough to not see that his questions have allready been answered previously. Also a player that if town, should find a good townie to just sheep. The rest is pretty much under the radar for me. But I would be watching VE when he pops up again, he is quite easy to read when he starts posting. ##Vote Adam PS: I'll stick around for awhile, playing some Dota, and I might pop in and answer you if I feel the need to do so. If I don't it is either because your question is stupid, I find you stupid/annoying and are ignoring you or that I simply missed it. Anyways, feel free to lynch me, at least then you know Palmar is pretty much confirmed town. This is probably of more value to the town than me sticking around. Remember to protect him from nighthits if you do this, and you will win this easypeasy. Granted, the second was a martyr post. It still shows how he is capable of making reads. Another point, when he was attacking someone in Hero for bullshit, he thought they were scum, as shown by his chats with Vivax + Show Spoiler + On December 11 2012 06:29 Tunkeg wrote: I never said that Thrawn himself said it was a joke. I said it was a joke, meaning I think it was a joke. So try finding the lines yourself before you ask others to do the same... On December 11 2012 08:04 Tunkeg wrote: Are you not reading my posts at all? Just throwing out some random questions, I wrote in my first post what I found scummy about them, and I elaborated in my reply to you. I made my suspicioun on Djordref before Z-Boson's post, why would I need to lend any arguements from Z-Boson? On December 11 2012 08:13 Tunkeg wrote: I'd vote you over both of them, and jay over Djor if I had to vote now. But in general I think there is to little information thus far to put down any votes. and his arguments with WBG + Show Spoiler + On December 11 2012 17:18 Tunkeg wrote: So you want me to do dumb things is that what you are saying. I know you treat this game like a schooldebate, where winning the arguement is more important than actually being right. And I know you like to twist and turn stuff to make your arguements look good. But that don't fly with me, stick to facts (like: Tunkeg is not playing exactly like he did in this and this game), don't try to strengthen your arguements with lies (Like you now saying you think I was scumhunting in those games, when you clearly stated how useless it was back then). If you stick with what is true you should be able to lynch me if I were scum. If you start presenting lies and twisting words you might get me lynched even though I am town. On December 11 2012 17:36 Tunkeg wrote: I am not treating you like town. I am saying you are capable of getting me lynched regardless of allignment. And imo it is your "debatish" attitude towards the game that have given you a reputation for being a strong scumplayer. Your way of misrepresenting facts and winning arguements when being wrong helps you as scum, but is not that great when you are town. Either way you are wrong here, I am town, so you are either scum deliberatly trying to misrepresent the facts, or town overeager to win the arguement and not seeing the truth. On December 12 2012 16:02 Tunkeg wrote: Boom! That was a great lynch! Now WBG is 100% scum. Look how hard he was pushing for me after Adam got in trouble. Look how he kept including Adam as his 2nd read, while not ever pointing out why he thought he was scummy. He did this because Adam was very obv scummy, and wbg not mentioning adam as scummy would look really bad for him. Also look at adams read post how hard he tried to distance himself from wbg, "agreeing" with my read on him. Also look at how wbg have presented his arguements (word twisting and misrepresenting facts) and his silly "80% Palmar is scum". WBG must be lynched day 2. Palmar got to be protected if we got a jailkeeper. Also if we got a cop look into someone trying to push my case, voting me and/or push/vote some other case after Adam got mentioned in Palmars video. Notice the difference in how he argues with people he finds scummy and not just randoms or people who he think is town? In the three people he found suspicious (Palmar, me, Clarity), he hasn't made any kind of argument. He's avoided talking to us. Also, notice how more outright he is with reads and calling people scum compared to this game? Also, looking at his other games in his profile, I would say he is definitely more open to giving reads and more compliant with others overall. Debears was in Hero Mini Mafia, where Tunkeg got mislynched, I actually felt he was very similar to this game, but debears pointed out posts in the Hero game without pointing out the posts in this game to show that difference he speaks about in his case. To be honest, it's enough for me that he went after Tunkeg. Tunkeg is an easy case to push, a perfect target for mislynches, and debears didn't bring his arguments up in an unbiased way when he should know Tunkeg pretty well. Debears also pointed out Tunkegs lack of reads, while there are dozens of people here withholding their reads when asked for them. Uh-uh, bad debby. And debears himself said he would withhold his reads, allegedly to not let scum know he'd be talking about them. But using that as a scum point in his Tunkeg-shitcase is apparently fine. 7. Sheeps people on CC when town sentiment switches towards him, among them iamp, who he found suspicious before and after he wrote this: + Show Spoiler + On January 04 2013 17:13 debears wrote: Well, I am also down to lynch CC. Iamp and Palmar are trustworthy thus far + Show Spoiler + On January 06 2013 04:09 debears wrote: Iamp Trolling =/= not forming reads. You are being silly. Also, I would say I have had an easy time interpreting what Chez is saying CC, based on d1, is a good candidate Foolish - idk. Does he normally go lurky useless as scum? Here he says CC is a good candidate based on d1, let's remember: + Show Spoiler + On January 04 2013 08:20 debears wrote: Can we please keep CC around til at least day 2? I love the kid. He's so funny Let's lynch debears! TOMORROW!!!! (Another little reminder: He hasn't been interested in Promethelax the slightest although he's the guy who replaced Tunkeg) | ||
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On January 08 2013 00:57 iamperfection wrote: Why do you think point 3 is scummy? Thinking about it, you're right, it's actually more in the WIFOM category since we can't tell if intended or not, but I see it as belonging to the category of posts he's been making about votes, setup, policy. Fluff, that'd be, it fits so well in there it caught my attention. Debears hates your mommy, your daddy and you get ice cream for your vote. | ||
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On January 08 2013 01:41 Clarity_nl wrote: I should explain that more. Immediately jumping on someone and calling them scum when they say something is scummy in general. Immediately jumping on someone to explain something because you have an idea, and then backing off when your idea doesn't fit, is townie in general. Debears did the latter. The explanation was given by iamp himself, a debears suspecting iamp to be scum wouldn't have assumed that a scum iamp would tell him the truth, and immediately accept it as such. To simplify: If a scumread of yours makes an unclear statement, and you ask for clarification, where one answer means he's scum and one means he's town, you're going to believe your read to be town just cause he answers with the obviously least scummy one? I am assuming that a scum iamp would know that he can't know about a scum supersoft schedule as town. Then, your heuristics are assuming that scum would be more busy making immediate cases than asking questions (which I think is more a matter of play-style). By that logic debears is scum cause of his Tunkeg case anyway, so I don't understand why you are defending him, let him answer first or he'll be able to withhold answers while you act as his shield. On January 08 2013 02:03 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm a fan of that case Vivax. Do you think debears makes a better lynch than MZ or Cheesecake? Yes absolutely, I think it's good if I force you to bus your scumbuddy. Cheesecake looks like a bad townie this game, I will have to analyse his meta to know if that's really the case, MZ claimed that he'd be masoning supersoft, so I'm waiting for that to happen before deciding on him. | ||
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On January 07 2013 23:36 iamperfection wrote: does anyone agree with me on foolishness? First of all, I think it's too early for you to make a connection cases between CC and him. I wouldn't expect CCs flip to be alignment indicative of the people attacking him. I don't agree with Foolishs' read on CC, Palmar said that town Foolishness posts very good reads. He posted a read that doesn't include CCs scum game, instead just two town games, although the posting frequency argument holds. But I would expect someone renowned like Foolish to double check his reads better and include CCs scum game like I did. 2 pages of filter is pretty sad for such a renowned town player, but according to Palmar that's the vets' style. Until we see more, Fool is null for me. Now, Palmar agrees with him on CC without noticing that he didn't post all of meta. I actually can't trust Palmar on anything he says anymore since he's playing on his own and trolling the shit out of us, and giving him cred for posting that list is shit cause mafia know who's town anyway, so he's always going to step onto the right feet. Palmar is currently among the bad boys for me, although he would have fooled us like a boss with his irc chat. He looks quite sincere in his interactions with iamp. I believe that we should pull Toad out of his comfort zone and let him know that we're going to stalk his posts. Such a talkative player shouldn't be silent in this phase. Same for grush, Djo, thrawn, froggy, MZ, Sentinel. Djo started singing like a rockstar when he had enough votes poking his ass in Hero MM @Iamp Did Palmar invite you first to his irc domain or did you ask for a live chat system? | ||
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On January 08 2013 03:04 debears wrote: Guys me and palmar are a scumteam The whole town except you was scum before it was cool. Enough of your mindfuck strats bro. | ||
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On January 08 2013 03:52 iamperfection wrote: I think you need to reread my point on foolishness i said the opposite with regards to him and CC. I messaged palmar on irc because why not Yeah I misread your stuff about Foolish <_< . I remember to have read something from you like "If CC flips scum Foolish is scum", but I'm a bit jumpy and distracted today , maybe someone else wrote that. @ debears Debears, I know that you want me to spout town reads (about Tunkeg/Prom), but I'd prefer if you actually brought up reasons why you think that Tunkeg/Prom is scum if you think that my read isn't correct. After all you forgot to mention my last line in my post against you, where I point out that your interest into them dropped to 0 quickly since the replacement, but the player behind it should still be scum for you. That is another point in your disfavour in regard to your pursuit of a Tunkeg lynch. I will look with more detail into your defence however. | ||
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On January 08 2013 07:20 Lazermonkey wrote: What do you mean? I actually wanted to quote the mason. You know, freemasons and stuff. I'll write more once I find my tinfoil hat. | ||
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#1: + Show Spoiler + On January 08 2013 06:17 debears wrote: So, let me get this straight. You expect me to somehow prove that Iamp was talking about supersoft, when he very quickly and clearly responded to my post with a post from MZ, whom he said he was refering to? That is unreasonable to the nth degree. If you looked at the post I questioned, you will notice how iamp said "mystery person was posting from phone and would be back home later". If iamp said that he was talking of supersoft, that would be false. Supersoft never said that. It would make Iamp instant scum with supersoft (or mason with supersoft which isn't possible at this point). Your question to iamp: + Show Spoiler + On January 04 2013 08:29 debears wrote: ah kk ty. I thought you were to supersoft. Would've had you as hammered scum if you said supersoft. Anyways, I'm glad you answered MZ You didn't understand what I wrote (and also explained to clarity): I said that it was obvious that a scum iamp wouldn't answer with supersoft upon asked since that would have obviously brought up some serious questions. It is you making that answer a reason to back off from him that I find him scummy. It simply looks like an obsolete thing to ask. And that's not the only thing, could you answer why you picked supersoft out of everyone else when MZ said he would be back home soon on the previous page and Keirathi referred to that? It looks to me like you took things out of context here. #2: + Show Spoiler + On January 08 2013 06:17 debears wrote: I stand by my point. If the mafia lets a confirmed town mason live till lylo, especially a strong player in iamp, they are fucking retarded. So, it is much more likely Iamp would be scum at lylo. See I believe Hero with Marv living til the end. He was scum. It's a very reasonable thing to say. For some reason, you find it unreasonable and scummy. What gives? I am of other opinion here. I think using scum night actions as a way of stirring up suspicion on a player is scummy, especially since you try to do so without actually having intention of bringing up a lynch target for the current day. Again a way of looking like contributing and discrediting people who are viewed as townie by most people, at least that's my impression of iamp (being seen as townie). Bringing the Hero argument and the marv analogy isn't valid here since marv didn't claim a shot. You're also saying If the mafia lets a confirmed town mason live till lylo, especially a strong player in iamp, they are fucking retarded You're implying that iamp is a confirmed town mason?But why did you write that NK argument in the first place then? You think he's a scum mason? Did you post something that could make you think that?No?Right. If you have a reason for writing that and still writing something against him based on scum actions then speak up, I'm listening. #3: + Show Spoiler + On January 08 2013 06:17 debears wrote: This (Comment: the random lynch policy) isn't necessarily mafia motivated at all. Obviously there is joking in that post. Also, Palmar agrees with me Your random lynching argument is a joke. Well, I didn't get it. Isn't necessarily mafia motivated means it could be very well mafia motivated. Ok, fine. Let's treat this simply as null then. #4: + Show Spoiler + On January 08 2013 06:17 debears wrote: I will lay off the insults about this point. Wrong setup speculation can easily be said from either a mafia or townie when the OP has been lacking concise rules. Someone else already pointed this out, I already acknowledged that it's WIFOM. I still don't like that speculation cause it's useless for scum hunting, now I could say for either alignment, but mafia don't like to scum-hunt, town does Let's give you BOTD on this as well, although it would fit so well if you are scum :/ #5: + Show Spoiler + On January 08 2013 06:17 debears wrote: This was a specific response to a specific question by hopeless. I have my reasoning spelt out. It should be pretty clear why me read was what it was at that point. You obviously didn't read my reasoning in my post. You are reaching for something to find on me. Yeah, the specific response to the specific question was the answer to hopeless asking what you were implying by bolding two things while quoting him, which I referred to as shit-throwing. Hopeless asked you if you were subtly calling him scum, to which you replied that you actually lean town on him?What changed about his posts? Exactly nothing, he just asked why you bolded some parts in his quote. You found enough reason to quote him and bold some parts to make him look scummy, but maintained an unclear opinion when he asked you about it. More tomorrow. Gn. | ||
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On January 08 2013 09:07 Vivax wrote: + Show Spoiler + I've removed some quotations to keep it somewhat readable, just read the previous cases if you want to know what it refers to. #1: + Show Spoiler + On January 08 2013 06:17 debears wrote: So, let me get this straight. You expect me to somehow prove that Iamp was talking about supersoft, when he very quickly and clearly responded to my post with a post from MZ, whom he said he was refering to? That is unreasonable to the nth degree. If you looked at the post I questioned, you will notice how iamp said "mystery person was posting from phone and would be back home later". If iamp said that he was talking of supersoft, that would be false. Supersoft never said that. It would make Iamp instant scum with supersoft (or mason with supersoft which isn't possible at this point). Your question to iamp: + Show Spoiler + On January 04 2013 08:29 debears wrote: ah kk ty. I thought you were to supersoft. Would've had you as hammered scum if you said supersoft. Anyways, I'm glad you answered MZ You didn't understand what I wrote (and also explained to clarity): I said that it was obvious that a scum iamp wouldn't answer with supersoft upon asked since that would have obviously brought up some serious questions. It is you making that answer a reason to back off from him that I find him scummy. It simply looks like an obsolete thing to ask. And that's not the only thing, could you answer why you picked supersoft out of everyone else when MZ said he would be back home soon on the previous page and Keirathi referred to that? It looks to me like you took things out of context here. #2: + Show Spoiler + On January 08 2013 06:17 debears wrote: I stand by my point. If the mafia lets a confirmed town mason live till lylo, especially a strong player in iamp, they are fucking retarded. So, it is much more likely Iamp would be scum at lylo. See I believe Hero with Marv living til the end. He was scum. It's a very reasonable thing to say. For some reason, you find it unreasonable and scummy. What gives? I am of other opinion here. I think using scum night actions as a way of stirring up suspicion on a player is scummy, especially since you try to do so without actually having intention of bringing up a lynch target for the current day. Again a way of looking like contributing and discrediting people who are viewed as townie by most people, at least that's my impression of iamp (being seen as townie). Bringing the Hero argument and the marv analogy isn't valid here since marv didn't claim a shot. You're also saying If the mafia lets a confirmed town mason live till lylo, especially a strong player in iamp, they are fucking retarded You're implying that iamp is a confirmed town mason?But why did you write that NK argument in the first place then? You think he's a scum mason? Did you post something that could make you think that?No?Right. If you have a reason for writing that and still writing something against him based on scum actions then speak up, I'm listening. #3: + Show Spoiler + On January 08 2013 06:17 debears wrote: This (Comment: the random lynch policy) isn't necessarily mafia motivated at all. Obviously there is joking in that post. Also, Palmar agrees with me Your random lynching argument is a joke. Well, I didn't get it. Isn't necessarily mafia motivated means it could be very well mafia motivated. Ok, fine. Let's treat this simply as null then. #4: + Show Spoiler + On January 08 2013 06:17 debears wrote: I will lay off the insults about this point. Wrong setup speculation can easily be said from either a mafia or townie when the OP has been lacking concise rules. Someone else already pointed this out, I already acknowledged that it's WIFOM. I still don't like that speculation cause it's useless for scum hunting, now I could say for either alignment, but mafia don't like to scum-hunt, town does Let's give you BOTD on this as well, although it would fit so well if you are scum :/ #5: + Show Spoiler + On January 08 2013 06:17 debears wrote: This was a specific response to a specific question by hopeless. I have my reasoning spelt out. It should be pretty clear why me read was what it was at that point. You obviously didn't read my reasoning in my post. You are reaching for something to find on me. Yeah, the specific response to the specific question was the answer to hopeless asking what you were implying by bolding two things while quoting him, which I referred to as shit-throwing. Hopeless asked you if you were subtly calling him scum, to which you replied that you actually lean town on him?What changed about his posts? Exactly nothing, he just asked why you bolded some parts in his quote. You found enough reason to quote him and bold some parts to make him look scummy, but maintained an unclear opinion when he asked you about it. More tomorrow. Gn. On January 08 2013 10:03 debears wrote: 1) I could have possibly phrased it better He found a quote from MZ saying that MZ was posting from phone and would be home soon within 3 minutes of asking. I highly doubt he's lying about that. Read plz. Also, supersoft was around in that convo too. Look it up No, supersoft didn't look like he was phoneposting at all at that point, please give me proof for what you're saying, cause I can't find it on my own. 1. Show me where MZ is saying that he's posting from phone. 2. Show me what made you think that he was possible referring to supersoft. I'm quite sure you won't find it, and you should know that. The fact you're holding on to your mistakes in such a stubborn way makes me think you're very scared of admitting them. On January 08 2013 10:03 debears wrote: 2) You are not reading at all. I said, if Iamp makes it to lylo, then lynch him. What don't you understand about that? For a strong player who is a mason to make it to endgame is fucking retarded if you are scum in a 30 player game Which applies to the quote which you try to frame as a scumslip. BECAUSE YOU AREN'T FUCKING READING. It's a hypothetical. Seriously. There is no way you are this dumb as town. Again, you're misrepresenting what I said. It's the timing and purpose of that post, it leaks a scum mentality. You're not writing posts about people who should be lynched next, you write them about people that should be lynched in a far away situation. Additionally, you do so by using NK speculation. Stop referring to a fraction of what I write and portraying me as scummy cause you defend against a fraction. Answer it all or don't answer it at all. You didn't answer my question about your confirmed town iamp statement anyway. On January 08 2013 10:03 debears wrote: 5) First, I didn't bold anything in his posts. He didn't asked why I bolded parts in his quote cuz I didn't. You are lying You are right, on second check, actually it was Toad who bolded the parts. I had trouble seeing you quoting that thing without actually answering something to it besides your joke quote, so I assumed you bolded it. Gotta read better (=' Yknow it's funny. All I needed to know was: I didn't actually call hopeless scummy at that time, I just replied with statistics to his statement that he's not fine with random lynching. But then, on the other hand, you made an extensive "I am slightly town and somewhat scum on you"-post, and that just doesn't fit with you replying to him with a joke-post, it rather looks like you felt pressured to write something to justify it. Now you start spouting shit about me lying and being scum. That's overreaction, you can simply point out where I'm wrong without going berserk on it. My current opinion is that you put quite a lot of points I saw about you aside, but there are still some old points that I'm not satisfied with after your answer. I also don't like how you handled the whole thing: You only answer to a portion of the points, and then call me scum after answering to them. You don't acknowledge that most people saw these points as legitimate issues that had to be pointed out, else they wouldn't have liked the case right? I'll reconsider your case during the day. Of all the people sheeping me on it no one actually bothered to look at the stuff they're sheeping, that doesn't make me feel easy about it, I don't want to do all the work >=( | ||
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You keep skipping that, baddie. | ||
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You are climbing the derp-scale up quickly. | ||
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Well, that's just retarded. | ||
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Look at debears, look how he's making one point after the other, just to jump to something new to use against me when I responded to the previous points. He doesn't care if I'm town or not, he only cares about defending himself by attacking me. He's been calling me scum for insisting on points he finds bad, then he calls me scum for desisting on them. That should already ring some bells. That's 1 of 5/6/7 scum. Then there's VE. Hard to read, plays with an emotional appearance, yet it's hard to estimate how much he involved in this game. He started by sheeping cases, looked disappointed at the time marv got modkilled, now he's actually making his own reads. He jokes a lot, but lurks less than in Hero, where he was scum. I can see him fit into a scum team, but there are things giving me doubts lately, mainly his willingness to post reads, and there's not even a town or null-read in them! Don't lynch him soon, but don't loosen the bite on him. Make him post. iamp is probably town by what I've seen so far. Kushmasta is in a similar category as VE. Kind of hard to read, seems like he's a lurky type of player, but he doesn't get much attention from anyone, and that's pretty alarming. The towniest thing he's done so far is post a list of scumreads, and that's already not much given his lack of reasoning and interest in pursuing them. He was content with voting BC and marv On January 05 2013 21:33 kushm4sta wrote: *snip* Also I have irrefutable evidence that marv is scum. I will post this at work later. On January 05 2013 22:28 kushm4sta wrote: do people realize marv has almost a 20 page filter already? who knows how much more space has been taken up by answers to his many fruitless interrogations. kill marv, kill the spam. help make this game playable for anyone with a life. Scummy thing to say against the blue that was about to get lynched by half of town, when there were players like tube, CC, grush, froggy or Palmar trolling/lurking/being anti-town. But it's not like Kush cared since town was heading for a mislynch anyway. He promised the irrefutable evidence to come up with something that looks like a policy an hour later. Kush is a good lynch. Foolishness, Chezinu, and Palmar are people of whom I know they are vets, so it's possible one of them is on the scum team for balance reason, like jackal was, but I'm moving on shaky ground here since I'm not too experienced to speculate about this. I see reasons for them to behave like they behave simply cause they are vets, but in lategame situations, they have to be scrutinized heavily and to post reads without fear of getting shot. but i repeat about dibbers: May you find some more proof to expose him. Especially after these answers by Debears, I'm going to look through his posts more thoroughly if I stay alive. Can't fail to find more, even. | ||
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Looks like hopeless saved iamp last night. Good play bro, good play bro. Grush, one day you will play for town.One day. | ||
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I'll contribute more tomorrow, I'm tired as fuck today, cba to read sorry. | ||
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Toad speaking of Eywa "and the mafia" speaks for him being scum. Other points brought up as well, but I would like VE to clarify which post he's talking about when he says Toad wanted him and hopeless to die without reading the thread. It makes it easier to follow the arguing about the points, quote the stuff. When I read his filter, I feel like I'm getting mentally ill. I don't see it fit into any pattern. BUT I want to lynch debears today. | ||
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For you who are more experienced with the playerbase here: Who would be considered a vet by the hosts? | ||
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On January 11 2013 01:16 Toadesstern wrote: whatever, as mentioned I'd rather see someone else lynched but I have to post once in a while to not be a total ass and give you what I've got. I did that, if you want to lynch me I can't do a thing against that. Is there anyone else besides VE or Foolish who you're suspicious of? Don't send me to your spreadsheet please. Like, people who you want to lynch now besides these two. What do you make of VEs interactions with the host and his latest rise in activity? | ||
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Considering how much scum there is out there, all of CC, Toad and debears might even be mafia, we should just consolidate on something. Don't know if I'll be backbefore deadline for new developments. | ||
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So much frustration this game -.- | ||
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Then I simply tried to play pro-town. I actually made a slip: The one where I said I shouldn't defend townies (while talking of CC). On January 08 2013 02:26 Vivax wrote: And fuck my life for defending a townie instead of leaving it to him. I also crumbed busy paramedic (even), so it would have been interesting between me and VE if I had to claim. I think there should be a policy for such slips. I remember Z-Boson saying "it has nothing to do with me being scum" in Hero mini mafia, and he was scum. If someone makes such a slip as town, then it's his fault, but it should be treated seriously. Scum-Claiming should also be lynchable, just like Palmar derping around. I can understand why he might have done that: To get killed as late as possible, but him being around still didn't help town much. Not saying you're not good, but this game you weren't exactly shining, majesty. Congratz to my scumbuddies for managing to stay out of scope so well and being a talkative and active bunch. I would also like to thank my parents, my manager and my fans for their support. Dr. Genki | ||
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Debears, even if your reads were right, you kind of looked like you resigned, you were calling me scum purely based on the things I posted against you while ignoring my scumslip, for example. Doesn't surprise me you kind of stopped caring since most of town was quite angry during the game. The day-vigs and modkills were really demoralizing, but you still tried harder than most of town, and that was hard in this environment. I think yamato focuses a little too much on the superficial and then gets stuck on his reads to the point that he starts arguing with the people he tunnels, other than that he looked kinda scummy in the end when he stopped living up to his rather high activity standard. He should just remember that there's more than just one or two scum. VE and Prom gave me some laughs. Prom with his "Make-up-sex"-post, VE with quite a few of his posts, put it back in your pants =D . VE can really claim to have a unique way of posting in this game. The BC lynch was just stupid, but it does look like a curse that has a long history: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=103738¤tpage=7#130 One shouldn't lynch experienced players that early, based on so much gut. You could have given him more time to prove himself to be town, didn't look like he had put too much time into the game until that point. As for the marv bandwagon, it had quite the chance of losing steam. Weird shit happens shortly before deadline, just look at the BC and Toad lynch. So yeah, marv should work on his karma ^^ , but his reads in the obs qt were really sharp. Clarity has this tendency to disregard newbies and buddy up with vets. While that might help you in your career I don't know if it's the right thing for this game. It makes you post funny reactions though. You also don't like to take the lead with big cases and such, you prefer staying laid back, asking questions and expressing your opinion when needed. It's not bad, just an assessment of your town style . Toad just failed to establish himself as town with so many posts. He knows that he posts a lot by himself, so he should work on economizing on that, unless he likes to keep that meta for playing scum. His vote on himself in the end was completely unnecessary, he could have avoided the lynch, but I think someone still switched to him last minute. Congratz to hopeless for the medic save, but you kinda played in a scummy way, maybe you felt insecure cause of your role. I really like the way bugs encourages meta analysis of people though, that's pretty smart. Other than that, I feel like he died pretty early this game, so I can't do much analysis on him. Hiro and Keirathi felt like being under the radar as well. They didn't stick out much to me. Rather a matter of activity and post size. So much for post-game from my side. I had lots of fun this game! Sorry for town though, you had a hard time . | ||
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