TL Mafia LVIII

On December 29 2012 10:15 Promethelax wrote:
If I get to replace in (which, lets be real here, I will) I will tunnel everyone. Just to make you all comfortable.

On December 30 2012 13:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote:


I wont be home at all really on the 31st or 1st

On January 03 2013 07:10 grush57 wrote:


Me too.

On January 03 2013 08:13 iamperfection wrote:

your point is stupid anyways. I actually think early on the scum are more likely to read the posts very carefully only later on do they slip up and not read as much.

On January 03 2013 08:21 Palmar wrote:

you wouldn't know logic if it hit you in the face.

On January 03 2013 10:03 marvellosity wrote:


what are your own?

On January 03 2013 10:51 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
HOLY FUCK THIS THREAD EXPLODED. Like seriously it went from 420 to 620 in three and a half hours.

I am going to say that Tunkeg is bluntly pompous like this as a townie. I've played with him and against him and all his townie games are pretty much going along with the all bark, no bite line-of-thought. While I have no evidence to the contrary I will agree that he is a townie. Just a pompous one.

Until then, I will do the only logical thing within my power to do.

##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel

On January 03 2013 10:51 supersoft wrote:
Of course did this discussion move the thread forward... Palmar does this all the time to start a discussion. Every time people step up and accuse him for that. It's just an icebreaker. Palmar knows that a wbg lynch isnt going to happen. Especially if he pushes him 20minutes after the game has started.
I am thinking of a game where palmar claimed dayvig and aimed at people to get the game going. No idea what game that was... Ah yeah and he was town... and i explained the exact same thing... Having a deja vu right now...

On January 03 2013 18:35 Palmar wrote:
The Tunkeg wagon is awful.

On January 04 2013 02:09 yamato77 wrote:

What is this supposed to be?

Some kind of half-baked scum list?

On January 04 2013 06:49 Foolishness wrote:
##Vote: Toadesstern

AWWWW YEEAAAAAHHHH

On January 04 2013 07:04 marvellosity wrote:


what's with everyone deciding not to tell people things this game?

It's really easy to say you have your reasons, but so far you're just hopping around agreeing with this person or the next.

On January 04 2013 07:58 Tunkeg wrote:


LOL, I don't get lynched every game, get your facts straight, I have gotten lycnhed twice in mafia, thats it. Also are you implying that the rest of us isn't reading the thread, which is wrong. The difference is that we are required to post reasons behind our votes, why the fuck should not the "good" players be required to do so? Yes, I think Foolishness is being incredible lazy for just posting two posts thus far, and only throws down a vote on Toad without any reasons. Yes, I think Palmar plays incredible wierd and stupid this game, if he is town it is just unnecessary. If you want to worship them, then be my guest, I won't, I want them to earn it every fucking game they play, just like Palmar did in our last game.

On January 04 2013 08:07 iamperfection wrote:
also VE come back to the wagon of justice you want someone that appears to only want to appear to be active look at cheesecake. Litteraly has done zero scum hunting asks stupid questions and does zero explaining of what soemone does is mafia motivated.

He is a very good lynch.

On January 04 2013 08:18 iamperfection wrote:

foolishness has more posts in the game he is not in that he accidentally posted in then he does this game. tells me all i need to know about his commitment to this town so far.

Also i dont see how my recent actions should effect your thoughts on me or cc.

did i hurt your feelings VE?

to bad

Toad has been active and is not the best lynch for today.

On January 04 2013 08:28 debears wrote:


BC do you not see why he does what he does?

On January 04 2013 10:12 marvellosity wrote:


Actually you're right for the first, but it's not quite what you think, and I don't mind explaining it a little. I was quite looking forward to this game because I felt there was a pretty decent chance I was going to be able to play town with at least 1 of Palmar or Foolishness. I've played with Fool twice only and he rolled scum, unfortunately, in both. Palmar I've played with a bunch of times, but so far always with the opposite alignment. Then after that Palmar has basically trolled most of the game (at least, playing nothing like his last few town games where I was either hosting or scum) and Foolishness is doing even worse than this. So yes, I've been disappointed with the game so far.

On January 04 2013 10:10 wherebugsgo wrote:
Palmar = troll probably means some kind of scum

On December 13 2012 08:07 Palmar wrote:
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Bugs is scum.

On January 04 2013 10:24 Toadesstern wrote:
I'm town, which means you got a read right, which means you've got information you shouldn't have

On January 04 2013 11:07 Toadesstern wrote:

Actually I am very well aware of that. The plan is to see what happens within the next, let's say 14 hours with Palmar.
I'd generally agree with Marv's (and WBG's) assessment on Palmar if it was d2. On the first half of d1 it sure is a bad idea to lynch him, not to vote him though.

Yeah I know, we can't lynch him right now, but you get what I'm trying to say, right?
I do feel you about Marv though.

It's actualy pretty funny that VE made a case about me saying I don't comment on anything and just tunnel the shit out of palmar when it's actually Marv who's been after Palmar all day long, whereas I've been putting on a gonzaw-show lately, calling everyone and their dog weird.
Probably should focus a little more

Again, I consider what Marv posted something decent and it is something that's worrying me as well, but I do think it's to early for that right now. He does know that Palmar didn't say shit in YANMM early on as well and joined the party rather late to tell people to lynch Wiggles. Yeah we was less trollish but given what happened that game I really think Palmar thinks the same way as I do about just having fun once in a while instead of having to deal with people like WBG.

On January 04 2013 11:27 wherebugsgo wrote:
I am guessing that when Palmar gets close to being lynched he'll claim mason with iamp.

too bad masons aren't confirmed town in this game

On January 05 2013 02:48 marvellosity wrote:


you know I have great difficulty reading you. Don't make me quote the PMs we had after Paranoia where you asked me if I was grasping your play and I said "not really".

You feigned insecurity about me as scum with me last game in Hero. And I have no clue why your push on Toad has to be townie either.

On January 05 2013 04:06 marvellosity wrote:


what drugs are you on? My first day back at work and I spend 100+ posts trying to stave off this stupid lynch.

On January 05 2013 04:19 wherebugsgo wrote:


he's antitown as both alignments, and frequently people are antitown as town.

Like, for example, you.

On January 05 2013 05:45 Palmar wrote:
Well whatever I'm not around for a while now, iamp is not responding on IRC anyway.

Seeing as the only possible counterwagon to marv at this point is BC I'm perfectly fine with whatever happening. We're lynching BC tomorrow anyway.

On January 05 2013 06:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Hey guys just looking the thread over and realizing you guys are still being spectacular arttards.

For anyone who thinks Palmar is still legit you guys need your heads examined. For those who think my lack of play is scumlike, please look at my first post after /in in the game.

If you still opt to try and kill me go for it, however the fact is towns always F up when you lynch town bc day one. To each their own. I will be busy until sometime late tommorrow most likely if im still alive I will catch up then.

On January 05 2013 08:04 wherebugsgo wrote:


I already think Meapak is scum, I don't need to be convinced.

On January 05 2013 08:18 wherebugsgo wrote:


LOL what?!!?

On January 05 2013 08:21 Toadesstern wrote:

yeah and you were willing to lynch me becaue foolish voted me although it had nothing to do with foolish's vote

On January 05 2013 08:21 Vivax wrote:
I would have gladly lynched him. Maybe you can call that tunneling.

On January 05 2013 09:09 Toadesstern wrote:

VE is problematic and plays somewhat anti-town no matter of alignment. Palmar once said that VE is one of the strongest mafia-aligned-forces no matter of alignment, resulting in town being at a disadvantage no matter what. That was before he started playing better.

Nevertheless he's VERY eratic. He's either good or completly moronic. Pretty much nothing inbetween, which makes it hard to judge him. I've got a history with him because he'll probably tell you that I consider him scummy every game I play with him, no matter of our alignments, even if we're both mafia :3

So basicly you won't find a game of VE in which he's not strange, not a single one. The question is wether that strange is something bad strange.

On January 05 2013 09:09 Toadesstern wrote:

My scumteam hasn't told me if we're targeting him for a mislynch tomorrow yet, so I have no alignment-related information to provide you with at this time.

Nevertheless, because he has been targeting me I feel obligated to answer in some fashion.

So basically, this post is useless and only serves to make it look like I'm being a helpful townie by answering a question, regardless of the fact that I provided absolutely no insight and came to no conclusions.

On January 05 2013 09:47 Keirathi wrote:

Let me translate:

"Hi guys. Don't protect marv/Palmar/Bugs because I plan on shooting them. Protect those other vets who aren't doing anything just because they are vets!"

On January 05 2013 10:24 marvellosity wrote:


make sure you read my case on him, babycakes

On January 06 2013 07:06 Hopeless1der wrote:
1KP:
Day Vigilante (Need to pick a member to get the role during the day during the night. Then he pms the host and kill is executed as fast as host sees it.)

No where there does it say you must post in thread. Certainly plausible, and also completely fucking imbalanced because it evades all night actions I think.

On January 06 2013 07:19 Keirathi wrote:

This looks awfully strange, in hindsight.

On January 06 2013 07:38 Keirathi wrote:

If we play the hypothetical game, and assume you are scum, how does that even matter? You helped to push the lynch off of one townie onto another.

On January 06 2013 07:47 Keirathi wrote:

Yes.

MZ will probably be lynched soon. If not today, then tomorrow. I'm willing to give Foolishness some BOTD for now, because I believe he can be helpful later if he actually is town (and apparnetly its his meta to troll/lurk day 1 as town, then start contributing...taking other people's word on that).

You, I have no idea how to read you later in the game. You are all over the place, and very little you do actually makes sense from either alignment. I really only ended up shooting tube over you because he wasn't participating at all. At least you're here.

On January 06 2013 08:13 grush57 wrote:


i value u ve <3

On January 06 2013 08:15 Keirathi wrote:

Being angry doesn't make you scum, sweetie.

Nor does voting for yourself.

On January 07 2013 06:05 Foolishness wrote:
Does anyone remember that Promethelax is in this game?

On January 07 2013 06:35 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:


Well with 5 they can only dayvig twice and then have to kill or else buy two 0.5 roles at the cost of a dayvig.

I could live with that.

On January 08 2013 02:18 Palmar wrote:


hey I'm terrible this game, why aren't you carrying it?

On January 08 2013 02:24 Promethelax wrote:
It is disgusting that I can't get a town read on you for agreeing with 95% of my reads Palmar. Why you gotta be so good?

VE: Dibbers. Gogogo.

On January 09 2013 07:26 supersoft wrote:


Explain me what they did n1 if MZ is mason.

On January 09 2013 07:40 Djodref wrote:


Here is the way I see it.

Grush vigged Hopeless and died from it. I'm quite confident on this one. I don't see why mafia would kill grush or Hopeless. That would be pretty stupid. Also, please remember this ^^



Grush really wanted Hopeless dead.

Now, I don't know what do to with Chez being killed. But I think it's more likely to be a mafia shot if nobody claims it. On top of that, I don't think that another vigilante is possible.
I really want the killer of Chez to claim, if he is town.

So, we just have to see how much KP mafia used in dayvig (at the end of the day) to see if MZ is scum mason or not.
So we don't lynch MZ today.

On January 09 2013 08:59 thrawn2112 wrote:


I don't really like the CC lynch. It seems like the lynch most likely to be a mislynch and if he actually is town then a cc lynch would be the worst way we could waste our time.

Why are you saying CC? Purely because of policy or what? I can completely see him beeing town based on how he played in witchcraft.

what are your prom/djo reads?

On January 09 2013 09:02 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:


Oh btw guys I'm Bob the Builder the Vanilla Townie. I'm cool enough to have a name!

Prolly still means I'm scum tho.

I even breadcrumbed my vt name cus i knew not caring would get me killed etc etc.

On January 09 2013 10:29 iamperfection wrote:

because of the logs that may or may not exist.

palmar for my sanity better be town becasue he would have pulled such a fast one on me if he is scum

On January 09 2013 11:11 iamperfection wrote:
i just thought of something back to the first night with my save. I think its possible that i was saved by the mafia themselves since we got confirmation that when the mafia was at full strength that they in fact could have 2 day vigs 1 kp and one role that role could have been a medic.

So if thats true they could have constructed a big play where they use kp on me and save me.

So if anyone claims to have saved me i would be very supsicious of them and i think you should judge them on their play if that in fact does happen.

I just think it makes more sense that they did a play like that instead of having 3 day vigs. so i think they sacficed 1 kp to in fact confirm one of their players later on. I think its a much more likely explanation than mafia just happening to spend 1 kp on me and a town member just happening to save me.

On January 09 2013 11:13 iamperfection wrote:

then why not just day vig if they wanted me dead i think it makes perfect sense.

On January 09 2013 11:25 iamperfection wrote:
meh it really my case ve so you have my sword plus i owe you for lynching you in liquid city.+ Show Spoiler +

On January 09 2013 11:32 kushm4sta wrote:
not a ninja vote if i do it in the thread first.

VE you had prome colored red. Something changed or would you be willing to lynch?

On January 09 2013 12:10 yamato77 wrote:

I mainly just want to see him react to me calling him scum and compare that to YANMM.

On January 09 2013 12:24 iamperfection wrote:
and haven't i like put the fucking spotlight on me like all game while hunting and pushing cases.

Prom is right this game is full of retards

On January 09 2013 12:27 iamperfection wrote:

not if he was lying about the logs and he in fact wasnt a mason night 1

On January 09 2013 12:28 Promethelax wrote:
See Imp. I know what I'm talking about.

VE: KISYFM (Keep it simple you fucking moron. )+ Show Spoiler + I thought about this too but that is a huge play as scum and I doubt the team would go for it even if Imp is confident that he could deceive Palmar (Palmar has to be town in this scenario). Remember where d1 ended for town. Scum didn't need a big play they were in a great position they just needed to stay the course and let town tear down town.

On January 09 2013 12:22 Djodref wrote:

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Debears

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the OMGUS way

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Here are the main reasons why debears is scum

• Fake contributions
  
• Doesn't really care about who is going to get lynched
  
• Discrediting everyone attacking him
  
• Going for the easy targets, then backing off
  

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Part I --- Fake contributions

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First of all, please remember debears idea of a random lynch. Did he push this idea ? Not really...
Did he really think it through ? No, because he came up with statistics supporting a random lynch, when they are actually against a random lynch in our case.





If debears was really thinking at a random lynch for our game, he would have noticed that our chances to hit mafia with a random lynch were at 20%, which is even less that the global average of 21.1%. The fact that he didn't really pay attention to what he was proposing and that he didn't follow it through at all shows that he didn't want to do a random lynch in the first place. This contribution is totally fake, just a nice way to enter the thread for a scum player.

Another example is here. Debears put up an act with Chezinu and made several posts of jokes and stuff about it.
In here, you can see that he quickly identified Palmar and iamp as masons. Maybe a little too quickly for a town player in my taste.

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The best example of debears fake contribution is the following post.



Did he follow up with that post ? No. For example, he never mentions the fact that Vivax vote was on tube on D1 when he calls Vivax scum. That's why I think it was a fake contribution again.
An other thing that I don't like here is that debears vote on marv was pretty sheepy and scummy. I would mean that his post points towards a hole in his play. Maybe he was expecting us to fall into his WIFOM trap at this point.

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Another fake contribution is this one. This was utterly useless, while allowing him to discredit iamp, when iamp, on top of looking like his town self, is almost confirmed town.



I let you be judge of why town debears would post this.

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Part II --- Doesn't care who is going to get lynched

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So, debears has been tunneling Tunkeg all day 1 and has been shut down by marv and WBG. Which means that he somehow trusts their judgment. But then



Hide in plain sight. Following Palmar, regardless of Palmar alignment, was a perfect excuse for scum to try to get marv mislynched, which they should have dreamed of since they received their role PM.

I don't like how he dropped his vote on Cheese today as well.



That's all his contributions for today.

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Part III --- Discrediting everyone attacking him

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So far, I have town reads on Vivax and Lazermonkey. I'm quite confident in these reads, because both of them seem genuinely involved, trying to figuring stuff out, and taking care of this game more than a lot of people.

So, I'm very surprised that town debears don't share these reads. I mean, Vivax case had some bad points, but some points were good as well. He could have addressed the case without the OMGUS.

It is worth of noting that he didn't provide as case, nor interacted with them so much before calling them scum. Debears had nothing to do with Vivax before that, and it's even more flagrant with LM. The accusation is coming out of nowhere.

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Part IV --- Going for the easy targets then backing off

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From Hero Mini Mafia, debears should have known that Tunkeg, when town, is an easy mislynch. I'm quite surprised he chose Tunkeg for his tunnel, while knowing that.
More surprising is how he let himself shut down but WBG and marv.
Even more surprising is how he doesn't care about Prome anymore. Since Tunkeg has been replaced, debears doesn't put any pressure at all on Prom. Yet his suspicions are still here.
And he should know that giving replacements some leeway is not necessarily good, because it has for example allowed me to survive for too long in Mario Mini Mafia.



Here is what he thinks about Prom right now, so I don't see why he wouldn't be after him today, even yesterday.

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Another easy target to go after was me, because of my low activity at the beginning.
Please notice how debears comes after me with an discrediting post to back up quite quickly when I start to be more active.



And then



to change it into

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Let's lynch debears today !

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##Vote debears