EPTnever played with the sacrifice twist. Is it a permanent sacrifice aka: I choose to sacrifice 0.5KP before the game starts and therefore we get 1 Role like a RB for the entirety of the game or is it I chose to sacrifice 0.5KP on n2 to RB someone, on n3 I'm back to normal KP and don't have a RB anymore ?
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never played with the sacrifice twist. Is it a permanent sacrifice aka: I choose to sacrifice 0.5KP before the game starts and therefore we get 1 Role like a RB for the entirety of the game or is it I chose to sacrifice 0.5KP on n2 to RB someone, on n3 I'm back to normal KP and don't have a RB anymore ? | ||
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On December 23 2012 16:27 yamato77 wrote: How much more work is it to keep up with a full sized game versus a mini? Twice, three times? Just want a rough estimate to see if I can handle a game this size. I don't know. If you want to play "perfect" it's obviously a lot more but noone's able to do that. Do as much as you want to do. Yeah you know by now I'm somewhat lazy but you obviously don't look into everyone's filter and focus on some guys. You won't be able to read everyones (hint: that's 30 people) filter on their own anyways. The thread itself will have way more pages to read itself... which is troublesome but I promise to keep it down a little :p I mean reading the thread takes more time and it's most likely going to be something like this: you post, you go to bed, next time you log in there's 20 pages to read. If Gonzaw, VE and myself are having a shitting contest picture 100 pages to read instead :p That's the basic but it doesn't take that long. Reading filters is what's taking time. Long story short: If you want to have the same "percentage" of people you have a really good read on because you analyzed them carefully you're going to have a shitton of work ahead of yourself. Focus accordingly and always be realistic, you won't be able to read everyone's filter or even half of the players filters by the end of d1. Not even talking about all those bullshit "please read this old game *link here* for proper meta-read" requests I'm ignoring 99% of the time anyways, especially in a big game. Do what you're capable to do and live with that. You can have a perfectly fine game with the same amount of effort you put into a mini. You just won't be the MVP or in the top-X-townies-group, which is a good thing as well because you at least survive fricking n1 for once. | ||
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On December 24 2012 16:42 VisceraEyes wrote: /in duuuuuude. You can't do that. I just promised people to keep it down a little | ||
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On December 25 2012 00:42 marvellosity wrote: First time in a long time I've not been included on such a list Well I don't think it ever happened between the two of us, did it? The three names there are just the prime example because it DID happen and it was awful... except for VE and myself because we were mafia and laughing our asses off. | ||
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On December 25 2012 04:19 VisceraEyes wrote: Toad, I promise to not give you cause to shit up the thread, regardless of alignment. can't say the same; regardless of alignment. I'm here for a fun time and to not die n1! Just give me the mod confirmed mason, compulsive night-vig being immune to NKs again and hypno-Toad mode will be set to overdrive. | ||
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But yeah I don't think it's going to start before january. Just take a look at how long it takes to get people sign up right now, take into account that we need 30 people and substract possible mass-ins that are comming if another game is going to end soon. | ||
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Though that one still takes a while to start. | ||
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On December 27 2012 04:03 Kurumi wrote: I thought I'd get full, signups are till 28th 15:00 GMT (+00:00) you can't start before 1.1.2013 - 00:01KST though. Got to be the first game in 2013! | ||
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Why did Annul leave though By now, we'd have the complete special-tactics crew here with him. | ||
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As in: I'm the last mafia alive, I have 1KP, do I have to visit someone to punch him in the face or is it being delivered automatically without me doing something? If I HAVE to deliver the KP, can I deliver other amounts of damage? Like 2 people doing 0.5KP instead of 1 doing 1KP. Or one doing 3KP instead of 3 doing 1KP? If I HAVE to deliver the KP, can I do other things as well? Example: 1KP left, I want to sac 0.5KP for a PR and still punch someone for 0.5KP worth of damage. Can I do both? | ||
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Got to role mafia this time around Or something really crazy with a town alignment, like infinite day-vig. Let me check if any of those are in the set-up. Wouldn't mind pulling a VE here. | ||
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You'll get tunneled by people who could be considered vets but aren't really or other people inbetween being vets and newcomers (like myself) for being so scary either way. Got nothing to do with your activity :p + Show Spoiler + I'm kidding, don't out because of that | ||
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Doublevoter (gets a hidden vote only shown in the final votecount) Does that mean the hidden vote is shown in the final votecount or will it list my name as the 2nd vote? Let's say I vote Kurumi as a doublevoter and I'm the only one doing so, it would show up as Kurumi (1) - Toadesstern during the day, correct?Would the final one show up as Kurumi (2) - Toadesstern, Toadesstern or asKurumi (2) - Toadesstern, UNKNOWN ? I mean in this scenario it doesn't matter because I'm the only one voting him and it has to be my vote but with more people on the same guy it would be nice to know this :pGod those roles are fancy. | ||
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I am so going to use that the next time I join a game with an election for mayor. | ||
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Grow some balls and play drunk like everyone else is :p | ||
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On December 31 2012 05:41 yamato77 wrote: When you think about the possibilities with the flexibility of the roles, I think it rewards good mafia play more than almost any other setup with the potential for a good blue sniper to shut down a lot of town's power roles every night. Plus, if you feel your KP on a target is likely to be blocked by medics, you can instead sac the KP at night for an unblock able dayvig shot the next day. Like I said, a mafia team with good blue snipers and enough research into town reads can really do some work on town in this setup. yeah the dayvig got downsides though. Thought about that as well but there's rolecops after all. The second you find a dayvig you've got a confirmed mafia because that can't even be a mishap due to framer / GF bullshitting around. Mafia is going to get stomped if they don't use their abilities clever, that's my point :p And it's going to be INCREDIBLY annoying for "scary" people if they role mafia. Picture marv, BC, WBG or myself rolling mafia. We're getting DT-checked no matter what due to paranoia, every single game, every single cycle. I hope it rewards good mafia play. Never played such a game so only theorycrafting from my point of view. | ||
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So you could pick 6 framers d1, have 6 framers n1, not have a single KP but you're safe from DT checks! Just not so much from rolecops. n2/d2 everything is reset to normal and you could pick 6 *whatever else* or less than 6. Oh I guess 6 GF's makes more sense for protective purposes. They're good against rolecops as well :p | ||
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On December 31 2012 07:45 marvellosity wrote: Intuitively it seems town favoured. Mafia KP is regular except effectively they have no roles. So the only strength is the ability to choose other actions, for the sake of KP, which in normal games they''d have anyway. I'm actually not sure if everyone gets to be a goon or if mafias get roles just like they would normally + they can sacrifice to get more roles on top of that. Role Cop (If a Goon gets a role, he gets that role back as a check.) makes it look like mafia gets normal roles as well because it indicates that other things than "goon" can get roles but then again, might just be wording from another game... or just not meant that way. | ||
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On December 31 2012 09:55 wherebugsgo wrote: having played on the mafia side of such a mechanic, I have to say I consider it town favored. It's balanced if it's coupled with low blue counts though (but the game of which I speak was retardedly town favored because it had this KP system with about 20 blues. Literally) yeah that's why I wondered wether it was supposed to be this mechanic + mafia still get's a few, normal, static PRs like in any other game, maybe just a few less to make up for the added flexibility. Because frankly speaking, with the amount of blueroles described in the OP it doesn't seem likely to be a game with few blue roles. Maybe weak ones but probably not just a few :p | ||
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I guess it's something bad though because WBG is pissed about me | ||
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I'm comming to the conclusion because of people like grush, chezinu, BM and Zentor being ranked pretty high (I always confuse sinani and nisani... no idea^^) while people like Rad and Sandroba are ranked low. Bugs just got Sand in his lower female parts Though he's right. Never take a thing I say as town seriously. Except for the conclusion of my reads I guess. Ignore everything else like reasoning or fancy Hypno-Toad-moves because I'm just making those up after I got to a conclusion for a completly different reason to see what's happening :p | ||
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On January 03 2013 07:12 Hopeless1der wrote: I will have nothing to do with a policy lynch on any specific player. If a player warrants such treatment, they shouldn't be allowed to play in the first place. You may not like grush's playstyle, but I don't find it entirely devoid of reason or thinking. 1)I am willing to go after lurkers, but that's about as far as I am concerned with policy. 2) @wbg voters: dafuq? 1) Who cares and why are you telling us that? You could as well just get in here, yell "YALLA YALLA NO POLICY LYNCH OMFG NOOBS" and it would be way better than that. Why do you feel the need to tell us that you're fine with lynching a lurker although you apparently don't want to, at all? At least that's what I'm getting at here. 2) Srsly? | ||
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On January 03 2013 07:39 supersoft wrote: Oh yeah, i just wanted to ask you this... what happened between you, palmar and wbg? ongoing games rule is a bitch ;( | ||
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On January 03 2013 07:42 Hopeless1der wrote: 1) I am not fine with lynching at random. I am not fine with lynching alphabetically I am not fine with lynching by forum post count I am not fine with lynching by thread post count I am fine with lynching lurkers 2) Piss off well yeah, the question was why you feel the need to tell us that. If you wanted to tell us that you don't want to policy lynch you could have just said "I don't want to policy lynch (and you're a terrible person to suggest that)". Instead you said you'd be fine with lynching lurkers and I'm just doubting your motives here. No need to get mad at me. | ||
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On January 03 2013 08:22 iamperfection wrote: palmar concerns me too ongoing game yadda yadda crap will explain more when that is over. I actually agree with this. As much as I hate WBG right now I really don't like Palmar. Palmar for what's happening in this game, which makes it more significant I guess... But I don't wanna unvote bugs | ||
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On January 03 2013 08:26 supersoft wrote: I have a similar, but not quite that strong impression about palmar: A Palmar that gets the game going tends to be a townpalmar. Only overly motivated scum-palmar sould do that and I've never seen that. However I've seen a lazy townpalmar, too. = Slightly townish 1. Don't know whether MZ thought about these things. 2. No reason to yell it out he's overdoing it though. Almost feels like Batman-Palmar... | ||
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On January 03 2013 08:42 Lazermonkey wrote: How is a blind WBG lynch a good reason for policy lynch? Or did I miss something? You make it sound like lynching a (possible) Town-WBG would be something that's not helpful. It's a win-win situation. We lynch town-WBG? Yay We lynch mafia-WBG? Fuck yeah | ||
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On January 03 2013 08:48 marvellosity wrote: Toad, stop trolling as well. Enough. If you're being serious, you're scum, so I can only presume you're trolling. Why | ||
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On January 03 2013 09:05 VisceraEyes wrote: His question was probably "why are you excluding the possibility of [Toad] being scum" I think he was implying that you "already know that he's town" or something equally laughable.  well kind of. I'm not implying that, I want to hear is reasoning. On January 03 2013 08:48 marvellosity wrote: Toad, stop trolling as well. Enough. If you're being serious, you're scum, so I can only presume you're trolling. I wanted to know what made you think green, because of red Marv. I get the that you directly conclude green out of not-red. But there's no reasoning why it's not-red to begin with, so you have a townread on me and conclude, out of townread on me that I'm not mafia although I'm being trolly right now. That's a weird way to put it. | ||
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On January 03 2013 09:22 Tunkeg wrote: Like pretty much all the posts in this game thus far. He then stated pretty clearly that he is not interested in any policy lynches besides a lynch lurker policy. If his posting thus far make him look pretty bad, I wonder how you scale things, because really, this little information on him is in my book not even enough to be leaning one way or the other.I don't like these types of FOS'es at all. well it's d1. 1 and a half hour into the day. Of course it's incredibly slim. We could all be holding hands and put things this way: "I've got some very minor thing about you, if it isn't to bothersome to read and all" but that's not going to accomplish anything. People are exaggerating early on d1 because there's little we've got. The alternative would be not posting, because what you found are only very minor things and wait for more posts. Clearly you'll see the flaw in the 2nd method if everyone thinks that way. No need to read too much into everything like this Hopeless dude claiming I'm already setting up the lynch for d2,[irony] which obviously has to be the case here [/irony] :p | ||
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On January 03 2013 09:36 Tunkeg wrote: I'd actually prefer people not posting, than posting exaggerated reads. Sure put on some pressure, analyse whats being said, but don't just post bullshit like Player A is 100% scum because he said he likes kittens. It is just nonsensical bullshit, and it shits up the thread. On January 03 2013 09:38 Lazermonkey wrote: Your logic is quite terrible. If everyone would think like this, there would be nothing to analyze. That's exactly my point. You can't tell people to only post if they got something if you're telling them not to post until they got something if we're beginning at 0. Just chill a bit and keep in mind that a lot of what is said d1 is exaggerated. Because the alternative would be not posting d1 and having d2 be the new d1. You found something you consider to be weird? Post it and let's discuss it, noone cares about wether or not it's something major because that's the only way we can end up find something major later on. | ||
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On January 03 2013 10:07 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm so glad you caught that too. LOL Toad your whole filter has been in response to bullshit about Tunkeg and pushing this WBG policy lynch. Do you think anyone looks scummy so far? Do you have any kind of thoughts about anything in the game other than "I don't like WBG, I think we should kill him regardless of alignment"? I find it interesting that you want to hear Palmar's thoughts, considering he's pushing this same policy as you - his thoughts are, of course, "let's kill WBG" as he's stated multiple times. Are you reading the thread? What are YOUR thoughts? I already mentioned that I consider Palmar to be weird right now because again, I'm worried about having another Batman-Palmar, as he's overdoing it imo. That's why I'm asking for his thoughts. A bunch of stuff I don't want to mention right now about other people. Some thoughts about 2 PM's with Marv (one from him, one from me) I had recently. One of them being something I shouldn't have said, the other one wether or not I can trust him on what he said because if what he said is correct I've got some decent reads right now. Other than that not much yet. | ||
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On January 03 2013 10:14 VisceraEyes wrote: Did you just claim mason? Or are you talking about out-of-game-PMs? older PM's between Marv and me talking about other games. | ||
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On January 03 2013 11:06 supersoft wrote: yeah, that game was pretty epic with annul - I died n1 :-( what do you guys think of a mason massclaim btw... If scum wants to have a mason, they will be forced to invest 0.5 KP right now until the end of the game... I mean we can verify them pretty easy... I actually thought about that pregame because I like the masonrole so much and thought that if I ended up being a mason the best way would be to make a specific breadcrumb for every day, tell the guy you masoned about the breadcrumb and tell the next guy you mason who the prior ones you masoned were. A Log of who you masoned so to speak. Or even better, don't make the breadcrumb yourself but instead make the guy you're masoned with breadcrumb it with a specific post, so the new, to be masoned guy can check those up and confirm the mason to be town or a mafia who invested .5KP every single cycle. | ||
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On January 03 2013 11:32 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: So Palmar said yet another useless thing with no significance. Why am I not surprised. Why is anyone surprised at this. Why are we even considering this to be anything more than Palmar-talk? noone is considering it to be anything. Apparently besides Clarity that is. As Marv said, Palmar knows that noone thinks he's that stupid, therefore everyone knows it's bullshit. Palmar is capable to post bullshit as both mafia and as town. Wether that bullshit is actually true or not is totally insignificant for the assertion of said bullshit. | ||
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I hate that and nowadays everyone does it. Even you marv... you're better than that. There's no reason to talk about a townread, no matter how weak or how strong on d1 unless the guy in question is about to be lynched. Don't give people an easy time skating by by dropping some random townreads, talk about things you consider to be weird. | ||
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On January 03 2013 12:02 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I talk about town reads because I am defending my position that people who want to lynch Tunkeg right now are making oh so very stupid decisions. Also I think they are wrong. But I defer to your infinite wisdom Toad. Surely you know better than I. Post some information devoid of townreads and do explain on who is the scum and why you are right. Or at the very least, who you think is wrong. See the thing is, I haven't mentioned a single town read (besides one that only 1 guy in the thread knows about :3) at all and I don't plan on doing it, neither should you. I've mentioned a couple of things I consider weird, mainly some things about Palmar and Marv so far. Not saying I'm the wisdom in person and I never intended it to be that way but it is INCREDIBLY hard to tell a townie who's posting a townread apart from a mafia who's posting a townread while both may look like something useful (it's not). A townread is best kept to yourself, especially early on.
On top of that, it is incredibly easy for mafia to look like they're doing something by posting townreads. They know they're right on something, they don't have to make up bullshit, which they have to when they're doing scumreads unless they're bussing. They can get in the thread make 4 townreads about someone, mix in 2 mafiabuddies and tell people they're mafia as well and there's almost no way to distinguish that from a townie. I mean there is, but it's just WAY hader than by looking at peoples mafiareads because again, mafia have to make up some bullshit when doing those, they got confirmation bias and already know they're wrong and all that is making it hard for mafias to talk about mafia-reads. Talking about townreads isn't for them, not at all. That being said, I'd very much like a situation in which we just keep our townreads to ourselves pretty please. | ||
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On January 03 2013 12:10 Toadesstern wrote: See the thing is, I haven't mentioned a single town read (besides one that only 1 guy in the thread knows about :3) at all and I don't plan on doing it, neither should you. I've mentioned a couple of things I consider weird, mainly some things about Palmar and Marv so far. Not saying I'm the wisdom in person and I never intended it to be that way but it is INCREDIBLY hard to tell a townie who's posting a townread apart from a mafia who's posting a townread while both may look like something useful (it's not). A townread is best kept to yourself, especially early on.
On top of that, it is incredibly easy for mafia to look like they're doing something by posting townreads. They know they're right on something, they don't have to make up bullshit, which they have to when they're doing scumreads unless they're bussing. They can get in the thread make 4 townreads about someone, mix in 2 mafiabuddies and tell people they're town as well and there's almost no way to distinguish that from a townie. I mean there is, but it's just WAY hader than by looking at peoples mafiareads because again, mafia have to make up some bullshit when doing those, they got confirmation bias and already know they're wrong and all that is making it hard for mafias to talk about mafia-reads. Talking about townreads isn't for them, not at all. That being said, I'd very much like a situation in which we just keep our townreads to ourselves pretty please. | ||
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On January 03 2013 12:16 Hopeless1der wrote: yeah, palmar looks more like scum to me than town, but again, not willing to lynch into him. Toad also looks scummy because he's spewing nonsense and then telling me I'm dumb for taking him even remotely seriously. In the event that I manage to get lynched, he plays the "guys it was Day 1 I was just joking around" card. Toad's last post isn't particularly alignment indicative, and while a nice sentiment (no town reads), it ultimately lends more to my confirmation bias that he isn't actually helping town this game, he`s just posting and being active. why are you already talking about what might happen if you end up being lynched. Seriously that is a weird post you just did. You're telling me I'm setting up a d2 lynch (which I wasn't lol, not even setting up a d1 lynch yet) and now you get in here telling people that if you get lynched (why?) I'm playing some kind of card? That's the most backwards posting I've ever seen. I also never said you're dumb, I told you that I got a problem with one line of your posts and that you need to chill out after you got all mad at me for pointing that out. Should I not have mentioned it instead? What should my approach should have been? Ignore it? And seriously don't make it look like I'm insulting you because I'm not. I haven't insulted anyone in this game besides bugs. About the nice sentiment. I'm just posting instead of doing something? I posted it because I saw multiple people doing it so far and I don't like it, you say you don't like it either. So something's wrong. I'm trying to change that by posting it. If I had posted that without a reason like "sup guys, here's what we do" without anyone posting townreads that'd be something but there's a reason for that post and you're ignoring it, making it sound like I did it for fluff when clearly I'm trying to get people to STOP DOING IT, which according to you isn't anything? | ||
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On January 03 2013 12:35 Hopeless1der wrote: I'm talking about what-ifs because people are taking the post where you call me out (+ Show Spoiler + On January 03 2013 07:38 Toadesstern wrote: besides that, hopeless looks like a nice 2nd target. 1) Who cares and why are you telling us that? You could as well just get in here, yell "YALLA YALLA NO POLICY LYNCH OMFG NOOBS" and it would be way better than that. Why do you feel the need to tell us that you're fine with lynching a lurker although you apparently don't want to, at all? At least that's what I'm getting at here. 2) Srsly? and they are using it as a reason to consider me scum, but you've gone on to say: Effectively absolving yourself of any responsibility with regard to my potential lynch. This isn't a connection case because of bullshit like+ Show Spoiler + someone defended this guy from another's acusation and I think the first guy is scummy circular logic somethingsomething , this is me seeing a scummy thing based on your backpedaling on calling me scum in a way that I find very suspicious. Well in that case let me get this straight: I did not intend to backpaddel at all. I still consider you somewhat scummy. I don't think the reasoning I've given is anywhere near enough to get you or anyone else lynched as it was mearly something that ticked me off as weird early on. I posted it because it's d1 and we want to create discussions. So let it be known that I, Toad still think you're looking worse than most people in the thread as of now, 4 hours into the game. Basicly a FoS just with reasoning provided and I'll be looking at your posts. I'll let you know if I consider you to be a decent lynch ahead of time and will try to not communicate too much with you for a while (beyond this point) to see yourself on your natural turf to see how you keep on playing when there's no reason for you to worsen your play due to possibly existing emotions towards myself because of what I said earlier on. | ||
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Let's get this going. Town palmar can be a dick, Town palmar can and will be very much trollish, Town palmar however won't do everything that's possible to make it sure it's hard for town to get reads on people or to even read the thread. That's something not-Town Palmar does. Get lynching guys. | ||
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It was easier to read you yesterday Btw I'd really love to know who's got access to that stupid obs-QT because of that one paragraph I directed at you and some other things people said. Mind updating the OP Marv? :p | ||
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On January 04 2013 03:09 yamato77 wrote: What do you mean? Today I'm playing bad again? I think it's possible. Nah, you're actually way more reseverd in the way you're posting right now. No rambo "let's fuck this shit and lynch this guy because he disagrees with me and therefore has to be a retard". | ||
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On January 04 2013 03:14 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: So Yamato is playing bad because he's acting more civil / sensible? O.o never said he's playing bad. I said it was easier to read him when he was worse (I wouldn't say bad either). Justed wanted to know if he's paying attention to those things. | ||
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On January 04 2013 03:23 HiroPro wrote: this is dull. want to talk about something that's relevant to this game toad? how is trying to figure out palmar / yamato / debears not relevant to this game? | ||
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On January 04 2013 03:27 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: In truth, you're basically only complaining that Yamato is hard to read because he isn't playing pants-on-head rambo style. No I don't. You make it look like I said not playing that way is something bad, which I never said. I very much appreciate the change and want to know wether he's aware of that himself. | ||
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On January 04 2013 03:31 HiroPro wrote: because you're not talking about their play in this game at all lol? you tell me that yamato is reserved as compared to an ongoing game. you tell me that town palmar doesn't act like this, without going into any detail or specific examples. you haven't even expressed any opinion of yourself about debears rofl. I've got an opinion about debears. I don't feel like telling you. What could that possibly mean given some of my posts? Still wouldn't be bad to know wether other people came to the same conclusion. | ||
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On January 04 2013 03:43 HiroPro wrote: /yawn. still dull toad, still dull. I'd like some proof for these statements. Arkham City: Palmars filter And well about the first statement. I obviously can't prove he doesn't do that as town because that's impossible. Thing is I haven't seen him doing anything this extreme as town, and I've seen him a couple of times. Gosh you're wasting my time I'm off to McD for half an hour. | ||
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On January 04 2013 04:03 Palmar wrote: Yamato is like the townies towny of the townies in this town game. Toad failing to see that is slightly concerning. I do see that and I've got him down the same way. It would just be a little more confirmed townie if he wouldn't be that conservative this time around :p On January 04 2013 04:23 HiroPro wrote: I want an actual explanation with some quotes and analysis, not a useless filter link. You suggested policy lynches on grush/kush, but made no effort to actually push for their lynch and the way in which you overly elaborate on very simple points. I'll share what I want when I feel like it - got it? not going to happen | ||
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Though I really am not sure what to make of Palmar, which is troublesome. | ||
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On January 04 2013 04:35 supersoft wrote: Where is MZ? Where is Foolishness? Where is wherebugsgo??? how much time is left? 2 hours...? A Palmarlynch is not going to happen. wtf. Don't listen to paranoiatoad! wait what? Isn't it 26 hours left? | ||
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he's stupid and hasn't posted much, which isn't all that alignment indicative at all considering it's MZ. The most troublesome post he did is his very first one + Show Spoiler [clicky] + On January 03 2013 07:43 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: This just in, palmar most likely town. More in a few hours when I get home. Makes a good vig-target if he keeps playing that way but not a good lynch. At least I wouldn't know how to decide which one to pick if we're going to lynch into players like that which gives mafia an incredible potential to controle the lynch. | ||
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On January 04 2013 05:02 marvellosity wrote: Palmar seems a fun lynch. Or MZ, or Clarity, or Cheesecake. BC is a little summarise-y for my liking too, but i don't wanna lynch him today. Lynching WBG would be way more hilarious though. Why Cheesecake? | ||
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Do you know him? Is he a vet I don't know? | ||
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On January 04 2013 05:12 marvellosity wrote: what other targets? I named like 4 or something. cheesecake to me is someone who's within that mass of players who are playing bad for whatever reason and I'm not willing to make a decision on them right now, neither am I willing to decide on which one of them should be the prime target, like I just told Supersoft recently. Players like MZ, like Tunkeg, like Clarity or Cheesecake. | ||
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On January 04 2013 05:19 marvellosity wrote: All those players other than Tunkeg are usually kinda useful as town. and you know god damn well that that is not a reason to lynch people, not even if we're talking about vets. You even criticized Palmar for thinking that way and now you're doing the same thing with players that are WAY MORE likely to just have a bad game somewhere inbetween. Not saying I'd like those guys alive. By all means, shoot them dead if you're a vig but I don't get how you'd be comfortable enough to pick a lynch out of those this early. | ||
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On January 04 2013 05:29 yamato77 wrote: Toad what are you serious about? not much yet. I don't want to die n1 again. I know, won't happen with this stacked of a playerfield but you can't be safe enough, can you? :p I mean, I'm serious with my reads and all that and I'm pretty sure I got some decent ones right now. I'm just not telling you and I have no intention of looking like I'm serious in here :p I just really don't like lynching into those people Marv wants to lynch into because they tend to flip like someone spinning a wheel of fortune instead of flipping their true alignment. | ||
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On January 04 2013 05:38 marvellosity wrote: well until you're willing to share your great wisdoms, why don't you just shut the hell up complaining at other people? seriously what's wrong with people this game. I asked you why you'd want to lynch into the guy in particular because I wouldn't be that comfortable lynching into him myself. I get that I might be a bit less on the serious side this game but I'm not being an ass here. You answered the question and that's all there is to it. I never said you're bad or scummy or anything for approaching the situation the way you are, I merely wanted to hear your thoughts about it and yet again I'm getting this kind of "piss off" answer from someone, I haven't figured you out yet, which is the reason I'm asking for your reasoning... that's not complaining at other people as far as I'm concerned. | ||
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On January 04 2013 06:32 Tunkeg wrote: So you think I am playing bad yeah? Tell me why you think that or just stfu. I am not going to let you get away with bullshit like that, when you don't even provide reasons. You probably won't be able to come up with anything thats worth reading though, but at least try... well still because of the bullshit about you thinking that it would be better if people didn't post at all. | ||
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On January 04 2013 07:13 VisceraEyes wrote: I don't know about that first part...but for my own part, it was a little thing at the beginning of the game that marked him as red for me that he has done nothing but exacerbate. The whole "Batman Palmar" thing. Why? Palmar wasn't even scum in that game, but he's using it as evidence against Palmar? I've gone on tirades against Palmar for less...but Toad is going so far as to attempt to corroborate it with people who played that game too and shit. They're not even the same thing, and unless he's accusing Palmar of being a third party it's totally irrelevant. He doesn't feel like he's trying to figure shit out, he feels like he's trying to appear active by tunneling Palmar. ##Unvote ##Vote: Toadesstern you do realize that Palmar said (postgame if I remember correctly) that his whole intention in that game was to make it impossible for townies to read the thread or form a read, correct? I'd consider that an anti-town agenda. There're pro-town 3rd parties, there're anti-town 3rd parties. Palmars Batman was an anti-town one, therefore on the same level as rolling mafia for me. | ||
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On January 04 2013 07:55 iamperfection wrote: ............ foolishness votes toad and you sheep him and you say whats in the bold. What foolishness did was super lazy and you jump at the chance to sheep him What foolishness did was reaction fishing, although he's kind of late to the party. That's why I said VE's vote is the interessting thing right. And maybe your respone and the one from marv. Tunk is being pissed about foolish but whatever, that could be anything. | ||
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Most Games Played - Hide Spoiler - bumatlarge - 40 Jackal58 -39 Palmar - 36 I'd really like to know who you want to see lynched right now and wether you changed your thoughts about Jackal once you heard he's a vet. Well you didn't I can see that but a little update on your part would be awesome. Let's say you're not allowed to lynch Jackal. Who'd be the guy you lynch? | ||
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On January 04 2013 10:02 wherebugsgo wrote: Hey all, I'm gonna be reading up on the thread as I can. Slept quite a bit :p In the meantime I'd love to see players write short 5-10 word summaries of the play so far of these players: Foolishness Supersoft Palmar MZ BC Marv VE Toad Anyone else I can easily meta Toad wants you policylynched for shits and giggles and for being the worst townie I ever saw. Palmar as well, he's VERY trollish, has some decent moments though. MZ is MZ BC is very reserved Marv is getting annoyed very easily VE wants to troll along and likes doing stuff other people do | ||
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On January 04 2013 10:09 Toadesstern wrote: Toad wants you policylynched for shits and giggles and for being the worst townie I ever saw. Palmar as well, he's VERY trollish, has some decent moments though. MZ is MZ BC is very reserved Marv is getting annoyed very easily VE wants to troll along and likes doing stuff other people do Supersoft and Foolish are hard to judge right now, which is why I didn't mention them. | ||
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On January 04 2013 10:15 Palmar wrote: I don't understand why people insist I'm trolling. might have something to do with the fact that you claimed scum twice if I recall correctly. | ||
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On January 04 2013 10:17 Palmar wrote: Maybe it's because I'm scum, just trying to figure out my team. my bad, three times. | ||
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If he ends up being mafia you're confirmed town. If he actually was a townie something's wrong with you. BEST PLAN EVER | ||
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On January 04 2013 10:48 supersoft wrote: blargh. Palmar is always an easy d1 target. I don't remember any game, where Palmar wasn't accused d1.. You know that, wbg. He may have overdone the trolling in the last 3-5 hours. + ppl that accuse him seem to be kind of suspicious to me: Marv is focusing Palmar since the beginning and randomly agreeing on every other suspect (his list some pages ago) MZ now doesnt even think that Palmar is scum. Toad isn't really suspicious, I think it's just his paranoid townplay... i don't remember whether he does that as scum, too. I got to think about what marv just posted though... Actually I am very well aware of that. The plan is to see what happens within the next, let's say 14 hours with Palmar. I'd generally agree with Marv's (and WBG's) assessment on Palmar if it was d2. On the first half of d1 it sure is a bad idea to lynch him, not to vote him though. Yeah I know, we can't lynch him right now, but you get what I'm trying to say, right? I do feel you about Marv though. It's actualy pretty funny that VE made a case about me saying I don't comment on anything and just tunnel the shit out of palmar when it's actually Marv who's been after Palmar all day long, whereas I've been putting on a gonzaw-show lately, calling everyone and their dog weird. Probably should focus a little more Again, I consider what Marv posted something decent and it is something that's worrying me as well, but I do think it's to early for that right now. He does know that Palmar didn't say shit in YANMM early on as well and joined the party rather late to tell people to lynch Wiggles. Yeah we was less trollish but given what happened that game I really think Palmar thinks the same way as I do about just having fun once in a while instead of having to deal with people like WBG. | ||
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On January 04 2013 11:50 wherebugsgo wrote: iamp you should post your logs now. I don't find BC scummy atm. I actually agree with what Foolishess said about him earlier, though Foolishness hasn't said much-that in itself was worth remembering. you agree with him that scum-BC usually lurks and tries to be polite or you agree with him that BC isn't lurking nor looking like he's trying to be polite and friendly? Because I'd say he is lurking. | ||
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On January 04 2013 12:07 wherebugsgo wrote: btw since you are not able to produce the logs right now, I am not inclined to believe them given that you have been outed already. The last time someone said this, they were a scum mason (also in a Kurumi game) so you think it's possible both iamP and Palmar are mafia or are you saying Palmar is mafia who really got the masonrole and iamp is a misguided townie? | ||
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On January 04 2013 12:14 wherebugsgo wrote: although it is believable that Palmar masoned him, given how iamp's opinion of him changed so drastically. That makes him look townier. well yeah and the fact that iamP is the towniest townie in this town. So go ahead and read his filter because if you're telling me that they're both mafia I'll just ignore you for the rest of the game. | ||
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On January 04 2013 12:47 marvellosity wrote: explain yourself, you putrid pile of poop. well WBG said he read the thread once. He has some questionable reads then. And he's to nice this game for whatever reason. So this time around I actually, truthfully think he's mafia and don't just want to policy lynch him :3 I'll wait for the logs though. | ||
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On January 04 2013 12:56 marvellosity wrote: what are his questionable reads? The first one based on iamP, the 2nd one based on a very simplified and imo wrong statement about Palmar for example. On January 04 2013 12:12 wherebugsgo wrote: I think it is certainly possible they are both scum. I haven't read too much into iamp's posts and the only reason I currently am suspicious of him is because of the fact that he cannot put forth the logs. On January 04 2013 10:10 wherebugsgo wrote: Palmar = troll probably means some kind of scum Also he hasn't started calling everyone stupid, a retard and in general hasn't been insulting, not even towards myself, at least not what I would have expected. | ||
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On January 04 2013 12:58 VisceraEyes wrote: And what do "the logs" have to do with Bugs? nothing, but I want to have a look at Palmars reads. I value those higher than mine if I agree with them and I'm willing to unvote and trust Palmar if I agree with a lot of what he's saying. Don't you want to see his reads as well? He's usually pretty decent as town. | ||
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On January 04 2013 14:45 wherebugsgo wrote: Palmar hardcore trolls as scum, that's a fact. He only trolls as town when he actually finds it funny, not constantly. well yeah but you said troll = scum, not hardcore troll = scum. Besides that being mason would be a reason to troll more. I can only remember being a mason the last time myself :p | ||
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On January 04 2013 15:00 Chezinu wrote: How would you describe the similarities and differences between a toad and a frog? my nick has nothing to do with Toads | ||
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Also doesn't look like Eywa is going to post anything at all. Weird that noone went after him so far. I would have considered him an easy way to park your vote as a mafia and thought he'll get a mention from someone. Is mafia happy about how things are going right now? | ||
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So yeah, could get behind a Marv or a VE lynch. | ||
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On January 05 2013 01:45 froggynoddy wrote: I still don't feel confident with a Marv lynch. As no one cares about BC Ill vote for Toad. why? | ||
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okay to get this straight: BC is mafia because
Out of this might list of scumtreats (2 things in total, nothing wrong with that though) I am also town because A LOT of what you said against BC could be applied to me. I guess a lot = 1 thing? Go vote BC if you want to but don't pull this bullshit on me | ||
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On January 05 2013 02:20 froggynoddy wrote: No-one wants to kill BC today. A couple want to kill you so Im more likely to get you killed than BC. BC defending me is one example of appearing t look townie without actually contributing. Which is also what Im accusing you of. There's literally just 1 guy in this game who wants to kill me right now and that's VE. Foolish never intended to get me lynched. Read his vote-post, check out his explanation, check out his reaction towards VE, read what I said about Foolish; it should be fairly obvious what's going on. At the same time there's a bunch of people who apparently have me down as a pretty certain townie, including Marv, Supersoft, Palmar. I really don't think I'm the more likely lynch here :p Okay and there's hopleless but he hasn't really updated his thoughts about me ever since the game started so no idea if he still think's I'm weird. | ||
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well yeah but I had you down as scummy as well, I also had VE down as slighty scummy (whatever, he's VE so that's a null I guess) and besides very few people I actually agree with most stuff in palmars sheet. Like I wouldn't call Clarity town, he's still in the "might be stupid category", nothing I'd lnych but nothing I'd call town either. So it really does look like Palmars town again. | ||
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On January 05 2013 02:36 marvellosity wrote: like kush you always have me scummy, and i'm usually not. But I don't trust you to pull a scumread out of a bona fide scumbucket, so whatever toad what happened to this marv: marvellosity 12-21-2012 08:09 PM ET (US) pretty decent post there toad. a bit or two wrong but mostly right. | ||
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On January 05 2013 02:43 HiroPro wrote: talk to me toad. I want to hear which ones you don't agree with in a little more detail.
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On January 05 2013 03:43 Promethelax wrote: Oh, I see we're in lynch cycle. Can anyone link me to cases against the lynch targets? And a vote count? Also, CC, why the fuck are you seeping debears (whose name becomes defeats on my tablet) did the dude suddenly shoot sun beams out of his ass? 'Cause until that point sleeping him with out adding anything is about as smart as humping a hole in a brick wall. d1. We're lynching marv right now, mostly because Palmar said so and people like Supersoft and myself agree about it. Alternatives would be a policy lynch on WBG, A lynch on me because I'm weird according to VE (?) A lynch on BC because... I don't know hard to tell... I agree he's not looking good but I wouldn't be comfortable lynching him A lynch on VE for doing stuff other people want to do ALL THE TIME | ||
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On January 05 2013 04:08 VisceraEyes wrote: Why would you say that Palmar is the most anti-town player in the game and proceed to vote for someone else? Like, I get it, you don't know if he's scum or town...but doesn't it follow logically that anti-town = scum? Like, even if his posts and reads left you in doubt, would not his general play (according to you, poisonously anti-town) push him over into the scum column? finally you're starting to make sense. Come on to the right side and give WBG that "KILL IT WITH FIRE"-tag he deserves :p | ||
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I thought you might have something to say that only makes sense with the assumption that you're town. I usually have thoughts like that myself but keep them to myself because they're useless to you guys until I flip. | ||
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On January 05 2013 05:08 Lazermonkey wrote: EBWOP: And if(I'm taking WBGs word on this) he really is known for his scum play, I don't see how he would get in such a bad position just in D1. BC is indeed known for his scumplay, not so much for his townplay. Not saying BC's town is bad, it's good it's just not top-X on TL.net whereas his scum-play is considered something like Sandrobas townplay, not sure if it's really that extreme or just paranoia but that's what people keep saying. | ||
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But Palmars the man and he says it's Marv and not the other 3 guys, so Marv it is. | ||
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On January 05 2013 05:58 Keirathi wrote: If you're so comfortable with a marv lynch, then at least give me some discussions on my counter-points about marv. Maybe you think I'm terrible and my reasoning doesn't matter, but just humor me, k? I'm not that comfortable with a marv lynch as it may look. I wouldn't say it's a 80-90% thing like Palmar apparently thinks. I'm more down to saying something like 50%, which is still good considering that the chance to lynch mafia on d1 is somewhat around 22% if I recall correctly from the DB . So saying marv is a confirmed mafia would be bullshit, saying Marv is a really good, if not the best lynch right now is true imo. Marv never did a case on Palmar. Marv pressure voted Palmar, rightfully so, It has nothing to do with Marv being wrong or right on Palmar though. Yes I agree Marv is still meta-able, it's just really hard. I don't like what I'm seeing from marv d1. Not being concrete at all and suddenly he starts dropping reads everywhere, even really concrete ones that are something like 2lines, something he wasn't able to do before. Looks to me like a panicing scum who's using his information to tell people "you're an idiot, don't lynch that guy, he's obviously town" to get some good points across. And yeah yamato is playing a bit more reserved, I questioned him about it as well but he's still looking really townish. I'd say the reasonable eplanation is he's trying to improve after I wrote that one: @Yamato: less emotional would have been better Yamato. I saw you getting influenced by people and how they posted and thought you're raging a lot. And I think you did or it at least altered your reads a lot because you ended up pushing people who made you mad if I remember correctly. I think he's paying attention to it. That might be a scumtell but I'd say he's trying to improve is the more reasonable explantion here, especially given his other posts and the sometimes old habbits comming back. | ||
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On January 05 2013 06:19 Keirathi wrote: Does this not count as a case? No I don't think so. Imo it's just a supplement to his "fuck this shit, let's lynch Palmar" statement which I consider a strong pressure vote. Like a combination of policy + pressure. | ||
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On January 05 2013 06:20 marvellosity wrote: Anyway, I just stopped playing a board game with my other half's family. As far as I can see all the votes are still on me, so I'm gonna claim, mostly just so I can laugh at Palmar for lynching the uncounterclaimed cop as the first lynch of 2013. I am ]Mandy, the Slow Cop god you're making it hard for me... don't really want to lynch into claimed cops but then again you say you're a slow cop and not a Slow Alignment Cop like it says in the OP. But who knows, it's kurumi hosting... | ||
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finally someone who agrees with my bugs lynch. Though I've got to say the timing of that claim really was odd and I agree with Yamato. I don't think town marv would claim 30 minutes prior to deadline leaving us in total chaos. Town marv would have at least claimed something like.... idk, 2 hours prior so we got time to get our shit together? This claim does nothing but increase paranoia everywhere and we don't have enough time to figure stuff out. | ||
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On January 05 2013 06:38 Djodref wrote: Working and sleeping mostly. Also I had to get back to my korean life ^^ Things at my job went crazy when I was in holidays in France, and Koreans don't take work lightly. Christmas and New Year are not real holidays over there so I had to get back all thing I was late on when I was not here while being jet-lagged. I went directly to sleep when I came back from work last night. I have my week-end right now though  Do you have any breadcrumb by the way ? it's d1... on top of that he's a SLOWcop... I doubt he has breadcrumbs anywhere this early :p | ||
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On January 05 2013 06:41 grush57 wrote: Wait, Marv would of breadcrumbed. This is like last game. Is he scum? Does he breadcrumb early in his meta? Or at all? you don't breadcrumb your role, you breadcrumb your checks. Again, it's d1 and he's a SLOWcop... according to what he's saying. | ||
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If a rolecop checks a Slowcop will he get back "Slowcop" ? As in, is it possible to distinguish that from other normal cops? Because if it is, fuck this lynch and lynch hopeless / BC and let Marv get checked. There's bound to be a rolecop somewhere with this fancy of a set-up. | ||
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On January 05 2013 06:48 Toadesstern wrote: Actually, there's no MAFIA Slowcop in the game according to the OP. If a rolecop checks a Slowcop will he get back "Slowcop" ? As in, is it possible to distinguish that from other normal cops? Because if it is, fuck this lynch and lynch hopeless / BC and let Marv get checked. There's bound to be a rolecop somewhere with this fancy of a set-up. well, maybe that's what Marv is hoping for. Rolecop is the strongest cop in this set-up for town, so maybe he wants someone outed when he consideres himself dead.... | ||
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On January 05 2013 06:49 Palmar wrote: you're all idiots. On January 05 2013 06:50 Kurumi wrote: Slow Alignment Cop role returns ([name if present] the) Slow Alignment Cop Dude there's no way for marv to fake this if he's mafia. Mafia only has dayrolecop and night rolecop, but no slowrolecop. | ||
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On January 05 2013 06:52 marvellosity wrote: guys, stop we should lynch Meapak. I just got home and clicked on his filter quickly because i thought of something. Apart from being absolutely useless, he has been very opportunistic - he attacked me at the start, then he agreed with me on Palmar and went over to Palmar, and then he liekd Palmar's case on me and went over to marv. this totally reminds me of bang bang mafia when i thought gonzaw was scum and he was encouraging me then not encouraging me then encouraging me to shoot him depending on what the thread thought. MZ lhynch? what the actual fuck? LYNCH MARV | ||
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On January 05 2013 06:54 marvellosity wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Meapak_ziph we've got 5 minutes left and you want us to swtich everything? What's wrong with you? | ||
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On January 05 2013 06:55 Promethelax wrote: Toad, explain. On January 05 2013 06:55 Toadesstern wrote: we've got 5 minutes left and you want us to swtich everything? What's wrong with you? | ||
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@foolishness: Good job voting 1 minute after the deadline though | ||
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On January 05 2013 08:02 marvellosity wrote: why don't ya, i dunno, comment on my superawesome case rather than VE agreeing with something superawesome? I'm going out on a limb here but I don't think VE actually read anything of your awesomeness: On January 05 2013 07:56 marvellosity wrote: + Show Spoiler [HERE BE TEXT] + Meapak the Opportunist I said it like 5 minutes before deadline, but my memory of Bang Bang Mafia is Meapak toying with my emotions over gonzaw, who I thought was scum but was actually town. Meapak's play this game has been marked with opportunism. He jumped from side to side with the me vs Palmar thing, thusly: Palmar is town! On January 03 2013 07:43 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: This just in, palmar most likely town. More in a few hours when I get home. On January 03 2013 12:22 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: nothing, I'm willing to kill tunkeg, that's more. Palmar still town although supersoft is right that I maybe shouldn't have pointed it out. In my defense, if I was scum I could have just told my teammates and let the thread fight it out. answer me on palmar, marv: On January 04 2013 05:38 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Hey marv, I read your filter and your posting is literally as content free as mine has been thus far. I'm not even joking, if you don't believe me reread his filter. Marv I want at least one mediocre post from you where you actually explain why Palmar needs to die. Mediocre marv, I'm not asking for a lot here. I have to go pick my sister up, I'll be back in like 45 minutes. On January 04 2013 06:35 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: So many massive epeenz over compensating lol. Marv answer me. On January 04 2013 08:19 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Look at the pot and the kettle. Pull your head out and answer my earlier question. And no, "read my filter" is not a suitable response. So he calls Palmar town straight off the bat, when Palmar had already been trolling, ya. The best bit is that he is suspicious of me first and foremost, trying to prod me or something. So Palmar town, marvellosity bad, nice. Anyways, a few votes start going on Palmar, led by me, Toad, etc. Palmar is playing exactly the same as before, and yet... Palmar is scum! :o On January 04 2013 10:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: hey guys wanna just kill palmar for claiming scum? I mean I was fine with him up until this page but since he's so adamant that he's scum then let's just help him to exit the game at the earliest opportunity. On January 04 2013 10:51 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Yeah. It looks like he's trying a "hide in plain sight" sort of thing. I thought in the beginning he was doing his usual trolling to get discussion started (there's actually a game where he describes exactly what he does as town I just forget which one). Basically it goes something along the lines of propose something so stupid it's just begging for people to jump on it for free town cred and then tear the ones apart who use that as a crutch to look protown. That's what I assumed he was trying here but now I'm thinking he's just acting as scummy as possible on the assumption that everyone will just assume he's trolling and ignore him. There is zero reason for town to do that so occam's razor says if Palmar says he's scum, he's scum. On January 04 2013 19:12 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I'm down with this happening. A huge focus in the beginning should be about demonstrating your innocence and Palmar is flat out not doing that, if he wants to trollishly call himself scum I'd have let him get away with that assuming that he was planning on making something useful out of the discussion he started with his "lynch wbg" nonsense. Since he's declined to do that and instead continued to troll I'm ready to get rid of him. Now the thing is, having thought I was scummy, that I had a contentless filter, that I was useless, basically I was just a complete baddie, now he fully agrees with me on Palmar, making this post AFTER I make my quite good post about my IRC chats with Palmar. So he's gone from marv scumread Palmar townread to marv townread Palmar scumread even though nothing much has happened. Well, what has happened is that at that point the sentiment of the thread was AGAINST Palmar, before the release of his logs and spreadsheet. Again I would add that MZ went from adamant Palmar was town early, to adamant he's scum, when Palmar's play had not changed. Just this totally random complete 180. Palmar is town, marv is scum! :OOO On January 04 2013 21:03 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Part of me thinks this is you trying to make sure you don't get lynched as scum now that your bluff has been called but a bigger part of me says there's bigger fish to fry and you actually are town like I originally thought. Oh and fyi you have called me bad/terrible/awful/stupid/some other adjective that implies idiocy in almost every game I've played with you. idk what game it was from but my personal favorite was "oh that's MZ, I wondered who was trying to break the world record for retard." lol holy shit, the final flip flop! Now the sentiment of the thread, remember, has gone pro-Palmar. The spreadsheet, the logs, the case on marv etc. So now obviously Meapak wants to kill marv after all. Meapak has consistently flipflopped on his opinion of Palmar and I, basically going with teh sentiment of the thread. He never has his own opinions, he's only sheeping town mentality. Bonus - Tunkeg! Kinda amidst all of this, there's a side-story on Tunkeg. Anyways, it starts: On January 03 2013 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Let's kill tunkeg. So Tunkeg is scum, right? Where's the case? On January 04 2013 09:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: It's not a very hard case which is the only thing that stopped me from writing it. It felt too easy. It's not a very hard case which is the only thing that stopped him writing it, it's too easy. What does that mean? See, to most of the players in the game, it meant that people thought Tunkeg was just being his usual belligerent townie self, and they didn't think he was scum. But Meapak called him scum. Which means Meapak didn't think this. So why exactly didn't he make his case? What has too easy got to do with it if he thinks he's scum? On January 04 2013 17:43 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: wait so playing anti town doesn't reveal his alignment or at least in anyway give you reason to question him? Damn that's a new one, I've only been gone for like 6 months and the meta has changed that much? Here Meapak is pressuring yamato for not putting pressure on Tunkeg for playing anti-town. But what has Meapak done? He called Tunkeg scum and refused to make a case on him. Thereby not putting any pressure on Tunkeg himself. Why didn't he? Why didn't he pressure someone he called scum, why is he telling someone else off for not doing so? I present you with Meapak_Ziph. On January 05 2013 07:58 VisceraEyes wrote: Yes, I'm down with killing Meapak. 100% | ||
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I actually think he wants to tell us he's a madhatter who places his bomb on tube :p | ||
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On January 05 2013 08:14 Vivax wrote: VE, stop telling lies. You've been mindlessly joining other votes all game long, so don't come with "I wouldn't just lynch anyone", you'd lynch your mother to hump a leg in this game. I like this guy. | ||
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On January 05 2013 08:19 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm sorry Bugs, was there some sort of point to all that? Marv's explanation appeased me. Palmar's logs appeased me. I wasn't willing to lynch them anymore. :OOOOOOOOOOOO yeah and you were willing to lynch me becaue foolish voted me although it had nothing to do with foolish's vote | ||
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On January 05 2013 08:23 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm still willing to lynch you Toad. STILL, not past tense. not exactly a good point if you're trying to tell people you're not willing to lynch everyone and their dog. | ||
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On January 05 2013 08:55 marvellosity wrote: lol just noticed this post. this is some epic waffle. want to try and explain why you told people to unvote everything and vote MZ 5 minutes prior to deadline? | ||
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On January 05 2013 09:00 marvellosity wrote: because I was thinking about him in my drive home (<3) then I opened his filter and found what I put in my case a little earlier but didn't have time to write up. So I thought MZ was after all a better target than BC. did you know the deadline was the deadline? | ||
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On January 05 2013 09:02 marvellosity wrote: obviously I knew the deadline was the deadline, Toad. Stop asking me sillies. well in that case #3 on tunneling marv tomorrow. | ||
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On January 05 2013 09:03 Vivax wrote: Dude, is VE chronically affected by sheepitis? If so, then why does Toad find him strange despite knowing him for longer? Can anybody confirm this statement? VE is problematic and plays somewhat anti-town no matter of alignment. Palmar once said that VE is one of the strongest mafia-aligned-forces no matter of alignment, resulting in town being at a disadvantage no matter what. That was before he started playing better. Nevertheless he's VERY eratic. He's either good or completly moronic. Pretty much nothing inbetween, which makes it hard to judge him. I've got a history with him because he'll probably tell you that I consider him scummy every game I play with him, no matter of our alignments, even if we're both mafia :3 So basicly you won't find a game of VE in which he's not strange, not a single one. The question is wether that strange is something bad strange. | ||
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/hU0o5.png) Worth a 5k-post. Make sure to shoot into VE or Marv. WBG would be awesome as well, but mainly for hilarity reasons although I'm not saying he's looking townish at all. Anyone protecting VE, Marv, WBG or Palmar this night will be slapped postgame. | ||
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On January 05 2013 09:28 Keirathi wrote: You think all 4 of them are scum? I mean, I'm not a balance wizard or anything, but that seems pretty unlikely. no, I say protecting them would be retarded. | ||
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On January 05 2013 09:34 Palmar wrote: are you fucking insane toad? I'm basically confirmed town to half the thread and you're asking people not to protect me? On January 05 2013 09:35 marvellosity wrote: you're blates red to BC who flipped town <3 not saying you're red. I don't think mafia would shoot you though. If you are town, which I highly assume t be the case mafia doesn't want you dead right now, especially not if you're right now Marv. VE and Marv won't be shot either, at least not by mafia... There's no reason to protect WBG at all this game and I included him as a not-target because people who don't know what to do generally love picking vets without thinking about it. | ||
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On January 05 2013 09:39 Keirathi wrote: Holy fuck do you even think about what you are saying before you say it? In this hypothetical situation where both Palmar and marv are town and neither gets shot because they are fighting against each other, who DOES get shot? if marv is town and Palmar is town as well mafia won't shoot either of them, which again is a reason not to protect them because mafia has no reason to shoot them and will hit elsewhere. Which means people like Jackal / Supersoft / foolish (only if town for all 3 obviously...) are more likely to get shot, or people who're looking blatantly townish. | ||
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On January 05 2013 09:43 wherebugsgo wrote: LOL @ Toad wanting Jackal to be protected I'm just giving examples without giving anything into reads based on the "let's protect vets"-approach, but yeah protection on him would be better than protection on you or Marv / Palmar for reasons already stated. | ||
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On January 05 2013 09:47 Keirathi wrote: Let me translate: "Hi guys. Don't protect marv/Palmar/Bugs because I plan on shooting them. Protect those other vets who aren't doing anything just because they are vets!" you forgot VE. But no I'd love to be able to shoot people. | ||
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That's some interesting information. That's kind of a weird name, isn't it? | ||
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On January 06 2013 01:34 Clarity_nl wrote: He did it in masonchat with iamp. I don't think it's that weird, actually. It's a really weird name though, isn't it? Now if it was in the thread I'd put it down as him trolling but that way... well guess we'll have to wait for the right guy to claim Flash or something like that to see if it makes sense :p | ||
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On January 06 2013 01:42 Toadesstern wrote: @Keirathi: I already told Kurumi I'm sorry and he said it's fine, so what do you think of me? | ||
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On January 06 2013 03:10 Keirathi wrote: What did you tell Kurumi you were sorry for? And honestly I have no fucking clue how to read you. So many of your posts make me cringe, but (I think) the only time I've ever played with you was CT and the dynamic was completely different than a "normal" game. I've casually read a few of your games (YANMM, LVII, seems like maybe one more), but not any scum games (again, except CT, but hard to draw parallels). Who the fuck knows? forget it I guess, I'll post some later | ||
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I really don't think mafia will shoot me, but I might have overdone it a little because apparently there's a bunch of paranoid people who might be willing to shoot me. I'm mainly looking at hopeless, Ex-Tunk (?) and VE here. Tunk is unlikely simply because he replaced out but who knows. Hopeless could end up shooting me and if he does it's probably a townie-move although being utterly retarded because I really don't see mafia wasting KP on me this game, this early on, especially with Marv flipping town. If VE shoots me it's a null I guess... he'd be crazy enough to do that as both alignments and to claim it as both alignments. If he's mafia he could easily be sitting in his QT yelling <i>"look guys, if I shoot Toad and claim 10 secs prior to deadline I'll totally look like a misguided townie and with me yelling at Toad 10 times d1 I have all the reasoning to shoot him while making me look VE-ish!"</i>. I however could also see him do the same thing as town so no idea about him. I guess the best thing is to see who get's shot at deadline, that should give as some hints because right now it's really confusing within the vets. And I really hope possible vigs end up claiming prior to deadline. That's all that's relevant for this particular deadline from my point of view. I'm playing some zelda and will get onto more important things tomorrow. | ||
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I thought it would be sacrificing N2 KP while it's D2 to use them on D2 | ||
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On January 06 2013 07:04 Kurumi wrote: What. To get day vigi you need to sacrifice KP night before the day you want to use vigis. ... Okay so it's possible they sacced 3 times to get dayvigs AND will hit for 3KP (those from n2) next night? Which results in 6 KP in cycle 2, assuming it happened that way? | ||
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As in: -> Mafia shoots 3 guys n1, -> Mafia sacs 3KP on d2 -> Mafia shoots 3 guys on d2 -> Mafia shoots 0 guys during n2 because they sacced all their KP for the day. The way it is now they can basicly hold back 3KP and shoot 6 guys | ||
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On January 06 2013 07:15 Keirathi wrote: What night actions does it evade? There are no town roleblockers, watchers, trackers, etc. it dodges medics? The downside is that it's trackable by rolecops but I don't really think there's a bunch of those left... | ||
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On January 06 2013 07:26 Keirathi wrote: How is it riskier if cops are still alive? It says that mafia day vigs PM the host and the host executes the kill. Very unlikely that said person would actually claim said kill, since the OP also says all town powers are night powers except Mason. well if a cop finds a dayvig that's an instant red. There's no way to fake that. If a cop finds something else, like a red check that could be wrong and on top of that mafia can avoid that by using GFs, so a green check isn't automatically a confirmed townie, just a most likely townie. a Day-Vig is something you won't be able to talk yourself out of, no matter what. | ||
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And that might be a lot because I value grush more than WBG :3 | ||
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Not sure yet, I'd rather lynch MZ. | ||
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On January 06 2013 08:41 grush57 wrote: It doesn't say a one time cop in the op? OP The roles might have from one to infinite use, this does not apply to vigilantes because they always have the specified amount of bullets. | ||
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so ##vote Jackal Either Jackal or WBG mafia. | ||
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On January 06 2013 08:36 iamperfection wrote: Im from my phone but if you guys need something to discuss. I was shoot and saved last night. pretty intresting I guess. Back later but still always watching. that is indeed interesting. So we're only expecting 2 day vigs I guess? | ||
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On January 06 2013 08:47 Djodref wrote: @ wbg Do you have any breadcrumbs ? why's everyone asking for breadcrumbs on d1 for cops lol Again, you don't breadcrumb your role, you breadcrumb your checks as cop so that people figure that out once you're dead, There's no reason to breadcrumb your role, it's actually bad because mafia might figure it out... Even if he did breadcrumb that proves nothing or do you honestly think Mafia-WBG would be not smart enough to prepare a breadcrumb ahead of time? | ||
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On January 06 2013 08:51 wherebugsgo wrote: yep, I would have breadcrumbed my check if I was a full-fledged cop. That would have been later today. However, there's no reason at all to do anything but simply claim my check, since I am a one-shot use cop. I'm glad to take a bullet from scum, given that a 1 for 1 trade is incredibly beneficial for us. As Toad mentioned, the chance that there was a framer in the game last night is incredibly low, given that 3 cops flipped. Why would scum use a frame after that? thanks, that comming from you makes me happy :3 Now I'm paranoid but there's no way not to vote Jackal I guess. It makes sense after all. With BC being town, Marv being town the most likely scenario is that mafia was sitting in their IRC / QT / Whatever laughing at us, not doing a thing and watching us destroy us ourselves without changing the fate of things by getting active themelves. But that's somewhat wifom if you consider it unreasonable. | ||
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On January 06 2013 09:08 Keirathi wrote: Why wouldn't I claim my shot? I am a one-shot Vig, and I had no reason to hide the fact that I was the one that killed tube. don't listen to kush, you're awesome for claiming that shot. Anyone not claiming the shot would be stupid... | ||
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On January 06 2013 09:24 Djodref wrote: With wbg dead and really cop, Jackal is confirmed scum right now. I don't see mafia framing anyone with 3 cops (now 4) already in the cemetery... I don't understand why mafia chose the 1 for 1 solution. I also believe iamp when he says being protected and shoot, he was confirmed town after all. Jackal was already confirmed mafia before, or at least pretty much. Everyone knew it's either Bugs or Jackal mafia the moment Bugs claimed. There's no reason to vote Bugs instead of Jackal so might as well shoot the confirmed townie and make Jackal a 99% confirmed mafia instead of just being 98% confirmed. The problem with iamP is that I agree with you, he was pretty much confirmed town and I still think he's town. That however leaves the question why mafia didn't opt to sac that KP for a dayvig as well. But a town-vig shooting iamP makes 0 sense... why would a townie shoot him and on top of that not even claim prior to deadline. So I guess it was mafia for some reason I don't understand yet? | ||
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On January 06 2013 09:32 Djodref wrote: Maybe mafia was afraid of being shot by vigs. The only downside I see for day vigs is that mafia players can be shot by town vigs before shooting themselves. 1) as already mentioned twice there's a nother downside: Mafia KP is untrackable, Day-vigs are kind of trackable due to rolecops. It's something that can not be faked or avoided unlike alignmentcops (framer / GF). 2) Dayvigs shoot on d2. Mafia KP was sacced on n1. So the n1 shots would have been earlier than the dayvigs. If they were afraid of dying they would not have sacced but shot on n1. | ||
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On January 06 2013 09:38 Djodref wrote: 1)Yes, I agree with that. 2)Maybe Jackal was afraid of being shot. He was pretty lurky and useless after all. Maybe the other mafia members were also afraid to be shot so they decided to shoot iamp on N1. It's the only reasonable thing I'm thinking right now. But maybe I'm missing something. about 2) oh got it, somehow thought about it the other way around. That could make sense. There's plenty of mafia left but maybe they just didn't want to take the gamble on loosing one of their day-vigs. I mean they could have avoided giving it to Jackal but it's somewhat risky. On January 06 2013 09:36 iamperfection wrote: im a shining beacon of townieness thats why i'm gonna guess they wanted me dead. well the question wasn't why they shot you but rather why they opted for a night hit instead of an unblockable day-hit on you. | ||
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On January 06 2013 09:41 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I don't get what mafia would stand to gain by shooting WBG today instead of shooting 3 others and taking care of him at night. He had a one-time power, and this way there would be questioning if WBG is really the cop or if he is scum. There is NO way you lynch into the cop before lynching into the checked guy unless you got some pretty damn good reason to do so. We're talking about Jackal... You think people would have doubted WBG because of Jackals massive towncred and lynched WBG instead? | ||
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On January 06 2013 10:15 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Yes but you're missing the point. Even if there is 0.0001% chance we would lynch WBG it would be better than 0% if WBG is confirmed cop by death. having a 99% confirmed townie around to discuss with is pretty nice I heard. That's kind of the reason mafia shoot good looking people to begin with... so that they can't run around looking confirmed explaining their thoughts EVERYONE knows to be their thoughts and not some mafia bullshit. Though, wbg probably didn't think he'd die so quick himself or he would have posted some thoughts... | ||
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I'll try and understand some time later... it's 4:30 am over here right now so I'm probably tired because I didn't sleep... which is not helping. | ||
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On January 07 2013 05:03 supersoft wrote: honestly, as scum i would have shot WBG during the night... Unless WBG was completly wrong about his reads besides Jackal there's no reason to let a townie run around, giving away his reads as a confirmed townie while they're somewhat correct. From a mafia perspective that is. Again, if WBG was completly wrong like he was last game, sure whatever. Let him survive, let the confirmed townie defend every single mafia in the game and tell everyone how townish they are and watch while he posts bullshit everyone takes for granted. This does not seem to be the case, so obviously mafia shoots him quickly to deny information. The timing of that shot probably speaks for itself as well, as it was rather quick. Doesn't look like mafia needed a lot of discussion on this one so I'd say there's someting WBG said that was right besides Jackal being mafia that made them insta-vig him instead of, idk, waiting an hour to discuss wether they want him alive a bit longer to let him time to get is wrong reads across. | ||
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On January 07 2013 05:27 supersoft wrote: Toad, don't overthink these shots... ;-) They probably were in panic or the guy with the gun was too late and they wanted to shoot him instantly... whether he was wrong or right is pure wifom. but i'll take a look... yeah sure I'm not saying that's how it has to be but it would be a reasonable explanation people should keep in mind. And about wifom.. well everything in mafia is wifom until you flip... it's just a question about what explanation is more reasonable and if we got multiple points pointing (weakly?) in the same direction that makes it easier for us. Just saying. | ||
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On January 07 2013 08:12 Djodref wrote: Well, it looks like Toad had forgot he has asked this question because he didn't mention this when we were discussing why iamp had been shot at night and not by a day vig. Why did you not make any comment on our discussion at that point ? I am not exactly reading right now. Jackal is getting lynched and while I know we should probably keep on scumhunting it's not going to happen :p If you want something from me write Toad in tripple bold and make it big once. I'm pretty much only checking in every 4hours and do a quick look through. | ||
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On January 07 2013 08:33 Toadesstern wrote: oh he was asking hiro, crap should not have told you I'm not reading EBWOP I thought he asked me why I didn't bring it up in the thread | ||
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On January 08 2013 03:21 Vivax wrote: [...] I believe that we should pull Toad out of his comfort zone and let him know that we're going to stalk his posts. Such a talkative player shouldn't be silent in this phase. [...] You really want me to start posting? You should watch out what you're wishing for, especially considering that I don't have problems to talk, no matter of alignment so really everything you get from me not posting is that I don't feel like posting right now. I post A LOT as both town and mafia. It's just a guess but I'd say a bunch of people are happy we're not that talkactive right now. I'll start reading once the night starts again :p | ||
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Who's an option besides him? I somewhat want VE dead, I somewhat want foolish dead but have no idea what's the status with his logs. | ||
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On January 10 2013 00:47 Clarity_nl wrote: VE is practically mod confirmed town, why do you want him dead Cheese is an alternative, apparently Palmar seems to believe that djo is as well. haven't exactly read a thing since... quite some time. Why is VE mod confirmed? If he is I'm obviously not going to lynch him. | ||
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On January 10 2013 01:41 Promethelax wrote: So, Toad and Palmar, both of you are decent enough players to have some ideas. Please share them. [...] I don't have a lot. I was royally wrong on Marv and probably wrong on Palmar. I'm like the most mistrusted guy on TL, no matter of alignment, there's no way I'll ever make people realize I'm town given the situation. Mafia won't ever shoot me so I'll be sticking around until lylo which is the latest point town will want to kill me. Hopefully we'll have won before that happens and I'm all for surviving for the sake of lynching right mafia reads first so we reduce the KP they have but other than that I don't really read that much anymore because noone will listen to me or even consider me not a mafia given the situation. "Pulled a WBG" is a term that is referring to a bad player that defended the GF when he was lynched d1. Called iamP and me bad for saying we need to shoot/lynch the SK d1 (which happened d2) Defended the mafia-lynch on d3, resulting in a no-lynch Let into lynching said mafia on d4 and told people to lynch Town on d1,d2,d,3,d4 and d5 (d5 was you, remember?) while telling people mafia1, mafia2 and SK are TOTALLY town and we shouldn't ever lynch them. I think I might be on my way doing the same thing this game | ||
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On January 10 2013 03:03 HiroPro wrote: We're going to lynch Cheesecake. I don't care whether you guys think that he is so inconsiderate that he would abandon one game completely to join another one. He is around, he is avoiding being modkilled by voting, but refusing to do anything at all so you have to lynch him. ##Vote Cheesecake Now let's talk about Toadesstern, since you guys are ignoring him. These are the posts with regards to his view on Palmar that I will be referring to: + Show Spoiler + On January 04 2013 02:10 Toadesstern wrote: ##vote Palmar Let's get this going. Town palmar can be a dick, Town palmar can and will be very much trollish, Town palmar however won't do everything that's possible to make it sure it's hard for town to get reads on people or to even read the thread. That's something not-Town Palmar does. Get lynching guys. On January 04 2013 03:48 Toadesstern wrote: Arkham City: Palmars filter And well about the first statement. I obviously can't prove he doesn't do that as town because that's impossible. Thing is I haven't seen him doing anything this extreme as town, and I've seen him a couple of times. Gosh you're wasting my time I'm off to McD for half an hour. On January 04 2013 04:40 Toadesstern wrote: and I'm not paranoid. I'm gauging the situation :p Though I really am not sure what to make of Palmar, which is troublesome. So what do we see here - Toad is voting for Palmar on some sort of meta read, but has absolutely no desire to explain it beyond "Palmar isn't like this is town. this is not-town Palmar". What motivations could a town Toad have for not willing to explain in detail why the person he's voting for should be lynched? He could either have an inherent dislike for explaining his thoughts or it could be a pressure vote (It's clear that this is not a pressure vote based on how quickly Toad drops the whole thing). At the same time, Toad has no problems with complaining about how marv won't share his thinking with him, so it's very unlikely that Toad doesn't like to explain his thoughts on his lynch target. So then the simplest explanation is that Toad is mafia and does not want to share his reasoning because he simply has nothing substantial. At the same time, the speed with which Toad's view on Palmar changes should be highly concerning. At 2:10, Toad is voting for Palmar and calling him very likely "not-town". Yet just 2.5 hours later, Toad suddenly is unsure about Palmar (It should be noted that Palmar has posted nothing in this time frame beyond expressing a slight doubt of Toad) and seems ready to back off. What could possibly cause this shift - at this time, I'm questioning Toad on his reasoning and supersoft is calling Toad paranoid and saying Palmar will absolutely not be lynched. Yet, Toad's response isn't to loudly refute us (which would be the normal drama queen toad reaction), but instead something that smells much more strongly of mafia - avoiding discussion and instead attempting to quitely appease others. Now let's look at the way that Toad treats Viscera (relevant quotes are in the spoiler): + Show Spoiler + On January 05 2013 03:49 Toadesstern wrote: d1. We're lynching marv right now, mostly because Palmar said so and people like Supersoft and myself agree about it. Alternatives would be a policy lynch on WBG, A lynch on me because I'm weird according to VE (?) A lynch on BC because... I don't know hard to tell... I agree he's not looking good but I wouldn't be comfortable lynching him A lynch on VE for doing stuff other people want to do ALL THE TIME On January 05 2013 05:46 Toadesstern wrote: I really think any kind of lynch between Marv / BC / Hopeless / maybe VE would be awesome right now. But Palmars the man and he says it's Marv and not the other 3 guys, so Marv it is. On January 04 2013 07:46 Toadesstern wrote: the interessting thing, if at all is VE's vote. Though VE and I have somewhat of a history so it's really hard to get something out of that... I don't mind foolish to be honest. On January 05 2013 09:09 Toadesstern wrote: VE is problematic and plays somewhat anti-town no matter of alignment. Palmar once said that VE is one of the strongest mafia-aligned-forces no matter of alignment, resulting in town being at a disadvantage no matter what. That was before he started playing better. Nevertheless he's VERY eratic. He's either good or completly moronic. Pretty much nothing inbetween, which makes it hard to judge him. I've got a history with him because he'll probably tell you that I consider him scummy every game I play with him, no matter of our alignments, even if we're both mafia :3 So basicly you won't find a game of VE in which he's not strange, not a single one. The question is wether that strange is something bad strange. On January 06 2013 07:00 Toadesstern wrote: I'm going to make a bold statement here: I don't think I'm going to get doublestacked n1 again. I really don't think mafia will shoot me, but I might have overdone it a little because apparently there's a bunch of paranoid people who might be willing to shoot me. I'm mainly looking at hopeless, Ex-Tunk (?) and VE here. Tunk is unlikely simply because he replaced out but who knows. Hopeless could end up shooting me and if he does it's probably a townie-move although being utterly retarded because I really don't see mafia wasting KP on me this game, this early on, especially with Marv flipping town. If VE shoots me it's a null I guess... he'd be crazy enough to do that as both alignments and to claim it as both alignments. If he's mafia he could easily be sitting in his QT yelling <i>"look guys, if I shoot Toad and claim 10 secs prior to deadline I'll totally look like a misguided townie and with me yelling at Toad 10 times d1 I have all the reasoning to shoot him while making me look VE-ish!"</i>. I however could also see him do the same thing as town so no idea about him. I guess the best thing is to see who get's shot at deadline, that should give as some hints because right now it's really confusing within the vets. And I really hope possible vigs end up claiming prior to deadline. That's all that's relevant for this particular deadline from my point of view. I'm playing some zelda and will get onto more important things tomorrow. On January 10 2013 00:46 Toadesstern wrote: On the offchance that I'm pulling a WBG here, I'd rather not vote Debears. Who's an option besides him? I somewhat want VE dead, I somewhat want foolish dead but have no idea what's the status with his logs. Throughout his filter, Toad is clamoring for VE to be lynched on absolutely nothing (read it, you won't find a single reason for why VE might be mafia). Everything about his tone and attitude (specifically the constant double-talk where multiple explanations are given for VE's behavior but no real opinion is ever taken) suggest that Toad regards VE as some sort of oddity, not a prime lynch candidate. So then why is Toad pushing for VE to be lynched all the time? It's simply a baseless mafia push - Toad is content to throw dirt at VE without ever trying to really convince others. I'll be around for another half an hour, so talk to me right now please. Viscera, I would very much appreciate it if I could talk with you. You kind of forgot the hole Mason deal, didn't you? | ||
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On January 10 2013 03:10 HiroPro wrote: That was way after what I'm discussing. that was the reason I said Palmar is town. | ||
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On January 10 2013 10:53 supersoft wrote: 7. Toadesstern 28. Mr. Cheesecake Toad almost 100% confirmed scum in my eyes right now... Sorry dude. I got you. Don't even dare to argue yourself out of this ;-) You might aswell admit it. Cheesecake obviously... 19. Foolishness replaced by RoL 17. Palmar one of them should be scum, balancewise. Not an issue today, since we got more solid lynches... I am no sure about debears, sure he's terrible, asking pointless questions, is lying etc. etc. but many of you do that... huh... well I'm not :p | ||
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On January 10 2013 14:56 Promethelax wrote: Toad, you care to explain why you aren't scum and additionally who is scum. Top three with a nice ole reason for each. how am I supposed to explain how I am not scum? Most people usually give me the "Toad could totally do that as mafia... just look at LI for example" crap and they might be right... People say I'm hard to read for a reason. Example: I said I want hopleless and VE dead, right? I realized hopeless was dead some time later because again I'm not reading the thread. Though clearly this could be a mafia trick. That being said all I've got is my initial reads I had early on and those ended up being wrong pretty much all the time this game | ||
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Think a "sup guys, that's all" would be better? | ||
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On January 10 2013 15:34 Promethelax wrote: Can you e plain your scum read on clarity and update me on how you feel about him now(thanks for posting this at least). I'll take a fool update too if you care to provide one. I actually don't remember much about clarity other than that his posts felt odd. VE because he was and is behaving like an idiot, when I should have known better and should have just ignored it. Foolish because I never saw a follow up to his weird posts I was fine with earlier. Again, he did that weird first post voting me like a total retard and I was totally fine with it because it was obviously (or so I thought at that time not sure about it now) reaction fishing, actually catching VE in the progress. But he never ended up doing anything with all his information he had, assuming he did those questionable things on purpose. So foolish was someone who was either doing questionable things because he's mafia or someone who's doing questionable things on purpose but can't follow up, which means he's faking it. | ||
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On January 11 2013 01:25 Vivax wrote: Is there anyone else besides VE or Foolish who you're suspicious of? Don't send me to your spreadsheet please. Like, people who you want to lynch now besides these two. What do you make of VEs interactions with the host and his latest rise in activity? well I'm usually very confident in my townreads and I haven't really seen one of them being wrong ever... except for sciberbia last game I played but you know he was bussing his entire team from the get go so that's somewhat understandable. I don't have an idea on who's mafia. I'm going by process of elimination from what I had down as town on d1 / d2, which was the reason I was so frustrated to begin with, because I had Palmar down as town very early on (as everyone saw) and changed him back to neutral once shit went down. I can't remember when I downgraded someone from a townread... ever so I was feeling really off. I'm combining that method of elimination with minor things that stood out somehow. | ||
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On January 11 2013 02:38 VisceraEyes wrote: Killing Palmar was a nice touch. If you're really filtering Toad, I doubt you'll need a summary of the case. In short though, he's been saying scummy as shit things all game, he hasn't scumhunted at all and he's got a pretty strong association with Jackal. He admitted to calling for my lynch and Hopeless lynch in spite of not reading the thread at all, this is blatantly antitown and needs rope. Don't let me down RoL I need help here. Something tells me there's a reason I didn't die instead of Palmar. why do I have a strong association with Jackal? I said don't protect Marv / Palmar / VE / WBG n1 mafia won't shoot them no matter of alignment due to the chaos oO | ||
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On January 11 2013 06:46 supersoft wrote: I don't know if you're scum, if Toad is scum, you're probably town. Since I believe Toad is scum, i think you're just a terrible townie. Therefor i am telling you to shut up, because youre terrible. what do you think of him if I'm town? | ||
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On January 11 2013 06:49 VisceraEyes wrote: If you're town you're playing a despicable game Toad, and you know this. should I have lied instead and talked out of my ass instead of telling you I'm not reading? | ||
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On January 11 2013 07:23 VisceraEyes wrote: YOU SHOULD HAVE FUCKING READ THE GAME OR REPLACED OUT YOU FUCKING PRICK there's no replacing out ? | ||
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On January 11 2013 07:25 VisceraEyes wrote: Oh that's right, because there HAVEN'T BENN TWO REPLACEMENTS ALEREAANDYNA NNB and we had modkills because of that. | ||
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