TL Mafia LVIII

On December 29 2012 00:04 Jackal58 wrote:
/In
Haven't killed Palmar in months.

On December 29 2012 09:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
So close to joining this but i dunno -_-

On December 31 2012 18:29 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I see palmar rolled scum again...

On January 03 2013 07:18 yamato77 wrote:

Because Toad and Palmar want to troll the shit out of Bugs like they always do.

It doesn't seem meaningful to me.

On January 03 2013 07:24 Lazermonkey wrote:
Last game I played scum and bugs played town. He opposed the D1 misslynch and nailed the whole scum team D2. I was happy that town decided to misslynch him that day instead of listening to him. I'm guessing you are trolling but in case aren't: bugs is one of the best town players in this game. Foh Sho.

On January 03 2013 07:36 Hopeless1der wrote:

You mean that time a town-vig shot town-WBG on town-Palmar's advice?

On January 03 2013 07:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
So much trolling already. I didnt know it was manditory to do so in kurumi games.

On January 03 2013 07:42 Hopeless1der wrote:

1)
I am not fine with lynching at random.
I am not fine with lynching alphabetically
I am not fine with lynching by forum post count
I am not fine with lynching by thread post count
I am fine with lynching lurkers

2) Piss off

On January 03 2013 07:43 grush57 wrote:
do a video palmar!

On January 03 2013 07:48 Hopeless1der wrote:
I made my piece on what 'policy' I would entertain and that was it. My motives aren't suspicious until I ignore lurkers, but you're already lining up a day 2 lynch on me? I may not need to get mad at you, but I feel completely justified, especially in light of the fact that the reasons for voting bugs are terrible, but clearly I'm the retard who doesn't "get it".

On January 03 2013 08:09 HiroPro wrote:


His last post - he asks Palmar whether or not lazermonkey's reasoning makes him still think it's a "catch". That makes no sense though, because hopeless indicated that he meant to write something else.

On January 03 2013 08:19 VisceraEyes wrote:
Logically thinking on a different level. Like a baus.

On January 03 2013 08:33 Tunkeg wrote:
You can lean whatever the fuck you want iam...

Also Palmar is either being stupid or fishing for reactions. Stupid Palmar=scum Palmar, that one is easy. Even though Palmar experienced the catastrophy that was WBG's last game, he won't lynch WBG for policy as town.

On January 03 2013 12:22 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

nothing, I'm willing to kill tunkeg, that's more. Palmar still town although supersoft is right that I maybe shouldn't have pointed it out. In my defense, if I was scum I could have just told my teammates and let the thread fight it out.

On January 03 2013 18:50 kushm4sta wrote:
please stfu about random lynch it's not happening so stfu about it

On January 03 2013 19:26 Lazermonkey wrote:
Palmar, you honestly don't have any scum reads what so ever? You've been fast to dissmiss all of the wagons this far yet not providing your own alternatives. WBG does not count for obvious reasons...

On January 03 2013 23:03 Vivax wrote:
Yea, but playing on my other comp.

On January 03 2013 23:19 Vivax wrote:
I do have access.

On January 03 2013 23:25 Vivax wrote:
You can answer my question now: You still interested in lynching Bugs?

On January 03 2013 23:45 yamato77 wrote:
Hey Palmar

Remember last game when I kept saying debears wasn't playing like town debears.

This doesn't look like town Palmar. Town Palmar gave reads and interacted with the thread.

This Palmar is being a dick.

On January 04 2013 00:41 marvellosity wrote:


it wasn't obvious, because nothing debears has posted has made him look really town.

On January 04 2013 00:46 marvellosity wrote:


i trust yamato a hell of a lot more than you right now.

On January 04 2013 01:48 iamperfection wrote:

look at cc's posts he throws some shit by asking everyone's opinion on something and then does nothing with it. he dosent push his read he says something is scummy runs away and gives no reasoning

On January 04 2013 10:16 marvellosity wrote:


at the very least, like I just said, you are playing nothing like the last few town games I played with you/watched you play.

On January 04 2013 10:20 wherebugsgo wrote:
Palmar do you believe in lynch all liars?

On January 04 2013 17:38 wherebugsgo wrote:


logs, bitch

On January 04 2013 18:29 Clarity_nl wrote:


Yamato can you expand on this? You imply debears is not actually scumhunting despite posting a pretty sizeable (wrong or not) case. Do you believe he's scum? You had not shown any opinion of debears before this post.

On January 04 2013 18:37 Clarity_nl wrote:


Can't really find the motivation between coughing all day and sleeping half the day. Yeah it's a terrible excuse but it is what it is. You'll find that the question thing was kind of my default, though, I really put an effort into hero, at least the first couple of days. Kinda fallen back into bad habits. I've also had this nasty habit this game of reading up on people for a while only to conclude they are probably town.

Anyway, you don't think his comment on debears comes out of left field?

On January 04 2013 19:07 yamato77 wrote:

Only if you prove to me you're town.

If you're town I believe Marv is likely scum.

On January 04 2013 19:08 wherebugsgo wrote:


cool, you're dying then.

Listen guys, Palmar has no logs. He's scum.

On January 04 2013 19:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

Oh I wholeheartedly agree!

I would absolutely love to see a case on marv since he's been worthless this game. Even better, I'd love to see a case finally coming from Palmar.

Hell if it's actually any good then maybe we give him another day.

On January 03 2013 08:36 marvellosity wrote:
I'm ok with policy lynching kush.

if he's going to be a dick he should just fucking die.

On January 04 2013 00:06 marvellosity wrote:


So I learnt a new word today.

Anyway, I agree with Adam on Clarity. In both Hero and Mario mafia where Clarity was town, he came basically straight out the gate finding things suspicious (jay, and s&b's VT 'slip' respectively). In his only scum game he struggled to get early scumreads, much like here. Clarity isn't aggressively questioning anyone to try to get scumreads, given he doesn't have any so far, either. He chose to mention Palmar's video thing which seemed a total non-thing to mention, especially as it had been and gone.

On January 04 2013 05:02 marvellosity wrote:


Palmar seems a fun lynch. Or MZ, or Clarity, or Cheesecake. BC is a little summarise-y for my liking too, but i don't wanna lynch him today.

On January 04 2013 06:41 marvellosity wrote:


i've talked enough about Palmar in my filter, I don't need to say anything more right now.

On January 03 2013 11:12 marvellosity wrote:


Of course you might be right, I don't know yet. Then again I've played with Palmar 5 or 6 times in the last half a year or something and you haven't, so maybe I have some extra knowledge ;o Probably we just wait to see how he carries on playing. Maybe you get a townread of what he posted so far, I definitely don't. He can 'get the game going' as mafia too, for example Liar Game where he made his funny voting plan and called himself King etc. Funny that players like syllo saw him town for quite a few cycles that game and he wasn't

On January 04 2013 20:22 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Do explain both good sir.

On January 04 2013 18:37 Clarity_nl wrote:


Can't really find the motivation between coughing all day and sleeping half the day. Yeah it's a terrible excuse but it is what it is. You'll find that the question thing was kind of my default, though, I really put an effort into hero, at least the first couple of days. Kinda fallen back into bad habits. I've also had this nasty habit this game of reading up on people for a while only to conclude they are probably town.

Anyway, you don't think his comment on debears comes out of left field?

On January 03 2013 10:51 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
HOLY FUCK THIS THREAD EXPLODED. Like seriously it went from 420 to 620 in three and a half hours.

I am going to say that Tunkeg is bluntly pompous like this as a townie. I've played with him and against him and all his townie games are pretty much going along with the all bark, no bite line-of-thought. While I have no evidence to the contrary I will agree that he is a townie. Just a pompous one.

Until then, I will do the only logical thing within my power to do.

##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel

On January 03 2013 12:02 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:


I talk about town reads because I am defending my position that people who want to lynch Tunkeg right now are making oh so very stupid decisions.

Also I think they are wrong.

But I defer to your infinite wisdom Toad. Surely you know better than I. Post some information devoid of townreads and do explain on who is the scum and why you are right.

Or at the very least, who you think is wrong.

On January 04 2013 20:33 Vivax wrote:
This looks like a case I could sheep.

But it pisses me off that you ask for my notes within 10 minutes and want 1 day to post yours.

I'd like your opinion on froggynoddy, his posts give me an artificial feeling.

On January 04 2013 20:37 marvellosity wrote:
oh wait, Palmar is voting me? He's scum then.

He did the same in Rock band. I'm simply not scum.

On January 04 2013 20:41 marvellosity wrote:
Palmar, you're wrong, which makes you scum. I have very little else to say about it. You don't understand me or my play at all if you genuinely think I'm scum, which means you must be scum. It's very simple.

On January 04 2013 20:41 marvellosity wrote:
also, there are still no logs. So whatever.

On January 04 2013 21:01 marvellosity wrote:


you have no idea it was bad. go away, palmar.

On January 04 2013 21:03 supersoft wrote:
Palmar, give us these logs.
The most simple and obvious explanation is in most cases the truth.
The most obvious explanation for not posting the logs is, that there exist no logs.
I don't have a scumread on you or iamp. Yes, you kept trolling more than necessary. However that marvcase is exactly what I expected from you. I need you to inlighten me about these masonthings and we're done here.

On January 04 2013 21:03 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
idk what game it was from but my personal favorite was "oh that's MZ, I wondered who was trying to break the world record for retard."

On January 04 2013 21:04 marvellosity wrote:
you're bad or scum, Palmar, so I don't know why you're even saying that. Those are literally the only two options there are for your play.

On January 04 2013 21:05 marvellosity wrote:


given you're voting me, you best tell me exactly what you like about the case and why you're voting me. this won't fly.

On January 04 2013 21:09 marvellosity wrote:


I don't know right now. My primary target just un-primaried himself.

On January 04 2013 21:08 marvellosity wrote:
and I'll make sure you get lynched tomorrow if I die. So that'd be ok.

On January 04 2013 21:14 marvellosity wrote:


I did, and my case and push on you was good enough that YOU WERE THE LEADING VOTE-GETTER.

On January 04 2013 21:15 supersoft wrote:
one question, though: is your spreadsheet-opinion about WBG still current?

On January 04 2013 21:15 Clarity_nl wrote:
Palmar do you think a scum marv is likely to exclaim that he has been invested even if his filter doesn't reflect it?
Makes much more sense from a townie perspective to me.

On January 04 2013 21:18 Vivax wrote:
Seriously what the fuck stop spamming.


I'm not lynching marv yet, I want to lynch VE or froggy. The logs look super townie.

Iamps posts don't look as townish as Palmars.

Can we be really that sure that iamp is not scum?Palmar?

Assume for a moment that marv is town, who would you lynch then?

On January 04 2013 21:17 marvellosity wrote:


not true, stop trolling

On January 04 2013 21:58 Clarity_nl wrote:
Palmar you're aware we can see you update your reads live, right? Anyway I'll be back in 5-6 hours.

On January 04 2013 23:30 froggynoddy wrote:
Oh and I refuse to see the logs as having any bearing on alignent on either iamp or Palmar.

The fact that:

1. Iamp conveniently didnt have the logs with him
2. Hours later Palmar refused to show the logs claiming (perhaps rightfully) that this this would not help town... I think this is true Day 1 as his reads, though convincing, are still based on just one days activity and noobs like me will feel strongly motivated to work on his assumptions rather than think for themselves.
3. Palmar finally gives up, even though he wasnt hugely at risk of a lynch.

This, truly, is some more narrative construction and I am not saying that the logs were necessarily faked, just that I would rather base any judgment on his thread activity which honestly... baffles me so I cant really say one way or another.

On January 05 2013 00:22 marvellosity wrote:


I agreed with his suspicions of Clarity, and I made it perfectly clear exactly why I agreed with his suspicions of Clarity. The fact he has pushed nothing since and not followed up on it is more indicative than the original post.

I seriously loathe that you haven't properly researched my meta when making this case. People have been suspicious of me many times for lack of content or bad Day 1s, LIII, Dwarf Fortess, Can't Believe, Paranoia, and probably some others I'm not forgetting.

Why do I need to push original content from your reads sheet if I agree with them? I told you the differences in what I thought on the sheet, why would I say anything else? I don't get it.

It should have been fairly apparent I'm quite suspicious of VE because I keep niggling at him about how he's voted.
It should have been fairly apparent I'm quite suspicious of BC given how I've tried to canvas opinion on him and given my own that he just seems to be summarising/not lurking.

I pushed you for precisely the reasons I gave in my post, about our discussion about how good your Day 1s were compared to your other days. It's annoying how you can't grasp how that conversation so recently into your play this game might have a significant effect on me.

On January 05 2013 00:41 thrawn2112 wrote:
well i don't want to lynch either you or palmar

On January 05 2013 01:01 Lazermonkey wrote:
Not really. I think generally townies are more capable of pushing retarded cases than scum is. You can be scum tho. But I don't really care, it's not like town and scum MUST disagree on everything. I agree with you on this point.

On January 04 2013 10:31 marvellosity wrote:
I'm still pretty happy with my vote on Palmar, for reasons already given. There's nothing in what Palmar has done so far that suggests in the slightest that he gives a shit for town, and he should be one of the town leaders.

On January 05 2013 01:09 Vivax wrote:
Palmar, why are you just so different from the last two games you were in?

On January 05 2013 01:10 kushm4sta wrote:
marv is palmar scum? you have never said you thought he was scum.
You want to lynch him for annoying you?? esp with this mason claim that does not seem reasonable.

On January 05 2013 01:16 marvellosity wrote:


I was, I was lynching you.

On January 05 2013 01:28 iamperfection wrote:

i like this guy

On January 05 2013 01:45 froggynoddy wrote:
I still don't feel confident with a Marv lynch. As no one cares about BC Ill vote for Toad.

On January 05 2013 01:48 marvellosity wrote:


you're labouring under this horrible misapprehension that I'm usually really useful Day 1 as town or something.

On January 05 2013 02:11 marvellosity wrote:


fuck off

On January 05 2013 04:36 iamperfection wrote:
I want to talk to palmar again

On January 05 2013 04:46 Clarity_nl wrote:
Please don't lynch marv, I am scared. If he flips town we'll have the wagon leader in palmar who trolled all day until he decided to lynch town, and we won't get any information off of the sheeples either because no one seems to have reasoning other than Ï had this feeling about marv before, and Palmar's case proves it!"

If he flips town we're fucked, and I think there is a decent chance of that happening

On January 05 2013 05:48 Hopeless1der wrote:
hey palmar take a look at me and tell me what you think. I had literally no comments in your reads spreadsheet earlier.

On January 05 2013 05:56 iamperfection wrote:
Irc isnt working palmar I will not oppose you though.

On January 05 2013 06:51 wherebugsgo wrote:


LOL says the guy who wants to do the suboptimal play.

On January 05 2013 06:52 wherebugsgo wrote:


haha and you said I was mad

On January 05 2013 06:54 Keirathi wrote:

You were similarly convinced that bugs was scum in Hero, and he wasn't. I genuinely respect your abilities, but I don't think you are always right. And this time I disagree with you.

On January 05 2013 06:56 wherebugsgo wrote:
Palmar routinely calls me scum, I think he has been right only once. That was over a year ago. And, to use his own words, even a broken clock is correct twice a day.

+ Show Spoiler +

@marv, while I find meapak scummy I don't think his lynch is happening today. Thoughts on Hopeless? Before you either die or BC does lol

On January 05 2013 06:58 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Palmar
Meakpak
Foolishness
Thrawn
Djodref
sentinal

2-4 are red.

You can thank me later you retarded morons. Also, have fun killing players who were more useful than the ones you were listening to. Palmar is 100% red, as is Meapak. Enjoy faggots.

Also I am a blue role, enjoy offing that too, however I am in your favour for letting me out of this mess. I was expecting a high end game to play not a bunch of trolls throwing feces.

On January 05 2013 07:07 wherebugsgo wrote:
BC is lying, I'm pretty sure.

Let's kill him for that.

##unvote
##vote BloodyC0bbler

On January 05 2013 07:17 Promethelax wrote:
Well fuck. Can someone not on a tablet ask in green if the mom role could have checked during the day?

On January 05 2013 08:59 yamato77 wrote:
Marv you are good scum.

tomorrow I tunnel you npnp

On January 06 2013 09:42 Keirathi wrote:

Lets ignore the shot on me, and you give an opinion on me other than that?

I replaced in for Adam well before the end of the day yesterday (I was pushing AGAINST the marv lynch that you were pushing so hard for). And then during the night you said you wanted Adam to be our lynch for today.

On January 06 2013 09:48 Keirathi wrote:

Yes, but I very much need to worry about yours. You were very, very wrong about marv and very stubborn that you were right. I can't help but be reminded of Rock Band.

On January 06 2013 22:38 Promethelax wrote:
Right. Did you read YAN? Stutters had baggage too.

Seriously though, you just came out of Hero where Palmar explained how to find scum Palmar. It is very simple: when Palmar hits green instead of red Palmar is scum.

Who got the check on Jackal that makes him confirmed scum? I assume WBG from the flips but some confirmation would be cool.

Can you give me a two second claim run down? I know Keir said he shot tube and Imp mason'd Palmar. Besides that I am in the dark.

On January 07 2013 08:20 Foolishness wrote:

What's wrong with VE?

On January 07 2013 17:27 Clarity_nl wrote:
I still want Palmar lynched, but since we'll drop mafia kp down to two if we lynch scum tomorrow it's probably best to go with cheese, and figure out wtf is going on with mz.

On January 07 2013 20:21 Lazermonkey wrote:
How do you feel about CC, Palmar?

On January 07 2013 21:05 Clarity_nl wrote:


Palmar, are you calling mz town? Could you give some reasoning if that is the case?

On January 07 2013 21:05 Palmar wrote:


Somewhat good based on day 1. I haven't managed to read his contributions today.

I'm also very interested in having a look at Prom at some time today. Need to check how much sense he's making.

On January 07 2013 21:15 Clarity_nl wrote:
It is a weird thing to point out that I'll be town if cheese flips town, not because it doesn't make sense in context with my post that you quoted, but because you seem to think cheese is a "somewhat good lynch", so it's a weird angle to approach me from.

You then follow by saying if cheese is scum it's possible I'm scum, but... not likely? You believe cheese is scum though....
Why did you feel the need to give me a townread in-thread to begin with?

On January 08 2013 00:58 Promethelax wrote:
I'd like to get palmar up for lynch tomorrow. If he is town he is right, we'll have one hell of an interesting day that we'll gain a ton from and, once again if he is town, I wouldn't be that surprised if he managed to evade the lynch.

On January 08 2013 02:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
Well, in that case I'll vote for someone else OUT OF SPITE!

Sorry bro.

On January 08 2013 02:24 Promethelax wrote:
It is disgusting that I can't get a town read on you for agreeing with 95% of my reads Palmar. Why you gotta be so good?

VE: Dibbers. Gogogo.

On January 08 2013 02:49 Promethelax wrote:
So, since you were wrong d1 do you think it is unfair for one to read you as scum? You have said very recently that you should be judged through your actions and not your reads.

On January 09 2013 17:49 supersoft wrote:
Toadesstern and Palmar are posting in other threads... i wonder why they don't comment on the foolishness/cheesecake/debears discussion

On January 09 2013 18:17 Clarity_nl wrote:
When did you make this realization?

On January 10 2013 01:49 VisceraEyes wrote:
This might be the very first time I woke up to less than 40 posts to read.

:/

Palmar and Toad can absolutely die. DIE. Naysayers. CHARLATANS!

They're not reading the therad. Verily, they don't care to catch up or find scum.

Palmar requested that we lynch him instead of vig him. Let's oblige him.

##Unvote: debears
##Vote: Palmar

On January 10 2013 03:14 supersoft wrote:


your patience scares me, Palmar.
you know there is no thought process besides: "Oh look at the last 3 posts! he looks like he refuses to scumhunt."

On January 03 2013 17:16 debears wrote:
Btw guys something to note

If we have a mason, if you talk to someone starting day 1, you are confirmed town to that player. Mafia do not get powers til night 1 I believe

On January 10 2013 03:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm not taking anything regarding what people say are the rules as tells - the rules were unclear in the OP and so that's a null point.

On January 10 2013 04:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
Would you lynch Toad with us Palmar?

On January 10 2013 08:18 iamperfection wrote:

thought you had a slight town read on frog something change?

On January 10 2013 08:20 VisceraEyes wrote:


Is this just you trying to excuse doing anything? Don't lie to me Palmar.

You said today we should lynch you - because according to you it would be "the most informative mislynch" or whatever. Why is that so with you but not other "loud" players?

On January 10 2013 08:28 Promethelax wrote:
Thrawn, I know you are here, I have about a quarter of an hour. Give me and the thread evidence of my anti-town play before I go.

On January 10 2013 08:31 VisceraEyes wrote:
Palmar - you're familiar with Amished tell right?

On January 10 2013 08:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
@Palmar

It makes me feel like he's scared to push wagons himself. During the whole time I was reading his filter, he was always commenting on others' suspicions and never voicing or pushing any of his own.

In spite of that, he feels confident enough during the night-phase to direct blues.

On January 10 2013 08:41 iamperfection wrote:

you admitted to trolling early on day 1 in "order to help figure things out" then marv took it for what it was at the time not contributing and rightly voted for you. You even gave him townie points for it at the time when he first did it.

And he shifted to not thinking your scum after the logs and yet you still pushed even when i said i was uncomfortable with it.

On January 11 2013 22:15 Clarity_nl wrote:
The whole Palmar vs marv thing was so stupid, fuck. I was shouting that they were town the whole time, but doubt took the better of me and I thought of Palmar as scum for a while, but the way he was handling it..... I thought about still trying to push his lynch even though I thought he was town just to see how people would act but didn't end up doing it.

You guys did a great job pushing debears though, made djo look townie at least.



Yeah seriously, fuck that.