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Toadesstern
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On January 06 2013 07:15 Keirathi wrote: What night actions does it evade? There are no town roleblockers, watchers, trackers, etc. it dodges medics? The downside is that it's trackable by rolecops but I don't really think there's a bunch of those left... | ||
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Toadesstern
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On January 06 2013 07:26 Keirathi wrote: How is it riskier if cops are still alive? It says that mafia day vigs PM the host and the host executes the kill. Very unlikely that said person would actually claim said kill, since the OP also says all town powers are night powers except Mason. well if a cop finds a dayvig that's an instant red. There's no way to fake that. If a cop finds something else, like a red check that could be wrong and on top of that mafia can avoid that by using GFs, so a green check isn't automatically a confirmed townie, just a most likely townie. a Day-Vig is something you won't be able to talk yourself out of, no matter what. | ||
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Toadesstern
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And that might be a lot because I value grush more than WBG :3 | ||
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Toadesstern
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Not sure yet, I'd rather lynch MZ. | ||
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On January 06 2013 08:41 grush57 wrote: It doesn't say a one time cop in the op? OP The roles might have from one to infinite use, this does not apply to vigilantes because they always have the specified amount of bullets. | ||
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Toadesstern
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so ##vote Jackal Either Jackal or WBG mafia. | ||
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On January 06 2013 08:36 iamperfection wrote: Im from my phone but if you guys need something to discuss. I was shoot and saved last night. pretty intresting I guess. Back later but still always watching. that is indeed interesting. So we're only expecting 2 day vigs I guess? | ||
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Toadesstern
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On January 06 2013 08:47 Djodref wrote: @ wbg Do you have any breadcrumbs ? why's everyone asking for breadcrumbs on d1 for cops lol Again, you don't breadcrumb your role, you breadcrumb your checks as cop so that people figure that out once you're dead, There's no reason to breadcrumb your role, it's actually bad because mafia might figure it out... Even if he did breadcrumb that proves nothing or do you honestly think Mafia-WBG would be not smart enough to prepare a breadcrumb ahead of time? | ||
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Toadesstern
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On January 06 2013 08:51 wherebugsgo wrote: yep, I would have breadcrumbed my check if I was a full-fledged cop. That would have been later today. However, there's no reason at all to do anything but simply claim my check, since I am a one-shot use cop. I'm glad to take a bullet from scum, given that a 1 for 1 trade is incredibly beneficial for us. As Toad mentioned, the chance that there was a framer in the game last night is incredibly low, given that 3 cops flipped. Why would scum use a frame after that? thanks, that comming from you makes me happy :3 Now I'm paranoid but there's no way not to vote Jackal I guess. It makes sense after all. With BC being town, Marv being town the most likely scenario is that mafia was sitting in their IRC / QT / Whatever laughing at us, not doing a thing and watching us destroy us ourselves without changing the fate of things by getting active themelves. But that's somewhat wifom if you consider it unreasonable. | ||
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On January 06 2013 09:08 Keirathi wrote: Why wouldn't I claim my shot? I am a one-shot Vig, and I had no reason to hide the fact that I was the one that killed tube. don't listen to kush, you're awesome for claiming that shot. Anyone not claiming the shot would be stupid... | ||
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Toadesstern
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On January 06 2013 09:24 Djodref wrote: With wbg dead and really cop, Jackal is confirmed scum right now. I don't see mafia framing anyone with 3 cops (now 4) already in the cemetery... I don't understand why mafia chose the 1 for 1 solution. I also believe iamp when he says being protected and shoot, he was confirmed town after all. Jackal was already confirmed mafia before, or at least pretty much. Everyone knew it's either Bugs or Jackal mafia the moment Bugs claimed. There's no reason to vote Bugs instead of Jackal so might as well shoot the confirmed townie and make Jackal a 99% confirmed mafia instead of just being 98% confirmed. The problem with iamP is that I agree with you, he was pretty much confirmed town and I still think he's town. That however leaves the question why mafia didn't opt to sac that KP for a dayvig as well. But a town-vig shooting iamP makes 0 sense... why would a townie shoot him and on top of that not even claim prior to deadline. So I guess it was mafia for some reason I don't understand yet? | ||
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Toadesstern
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On January 06 2013 09:32 Djodref wrote: Maybe mafia was afraid of being shot by vigs. The only downside I see for day vigs is that mafia players can be shot by town vigs before shooting themselves. 1) as already mentioned twice there's a nother downside: Mafia KP is untrackable, Day-vigs are kind of trackable due to rolecops. It's something that can not be faked or avoided unlike alignmentcops (framer / GF). 2) Dayvigs shoot on d2. Mafia KP was sacced on n1. So the n1 shots would have been earlier than the dayvigs. If they were afraid of dying they would not have sacced but shot on n1. | ||
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Toadesstern
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On January 06 2013 09:38 Djodref wrote: 1)Yes, I agree with that. 2)Maybe Jackal was afraid of being shot. He was pretty lurky and useless after all. Maybe the other mafia members were also afraid to be shot so they decided to shoot iamp on N1. It's the only reasonable thing I'm thinking right now. But maybe I'm missing something. about 2) oh got it, somehow thought about it the other way around. That could make sense. There's plenty of mafia left but maybe they just didn't want to take the gamble on loosing one of their day-vigs. I mean they could have avoided giving it to Jackal but it's somewhat risky. On January 06 2013 09:36 iamperfection wrote: im a shining beacon of townieness thats why i'm gonna guess they wanted me dead. well the question wasn't why they shot you but rather why they opted for a night hit instead of an unblockable day-hit on you. | ||
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Toadesstern
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On January 06 2013 09:41 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I don't get what mafia would stand to gain by shooting WBG today instead of shooting 3 others and taking care of him at night. He had a one-time power, and this way there would be questioning if WBG is really the cop or if he is scum. There is NO way you lynch into the cop before lynching into the checked guy unless you got some pretty damn good reason to do so. We're talking about Jackal... You think people would have doubted WBG because of Jackals massive towncred and lynched WBG instead? | ||
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On January 06 2013 10:15 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Yes but you're missing the point. Even if there is 0.0001% chance we would lynch WBG it would be better than 0% if WBG is confirmed cop by death. having a 99% confirmed townie around to discuss with is pretty nice I heard. That's kind of the reason mafia shoot good looking people to begin with... so that they can't run around looking confirmed explaining their thoughts EVERYONE knows to be their thoughts and not some mafia bullshit. Though, wbg probably didn't think he'd die so quick himself or he would have posted some thoughts... | ||
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Toadesstern
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 I'll try and understand some time later... it's 4:30 am over here right now so I'm probably tired because I didn't sleep... which is not helping. | ||
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On January 07 2013 05:03 supersoft wrote: honestly, as scum i would have shot WBG during the night... Unless WBG was completly wrong about his reads besides Jackal there's no reason to let a townie run around, giving away his reads as a confirmed townie while they're somewhat correct. From a mafia perspective that is. Again, if WBG was completly wrong like he was last game, sure whatever. Let him survive, let the confirmed townie defend every single mafia in the game and tell everyone how townish they are and watch while he posts bullshit everyone takes for granted. This does not seem to be the case, so obviously mafia shoots him quickly to deny information. The timing of that shot probably speaks for itself as well, as it was rather quick. Doesn't look like mafia needed a lot of discussion on this one so I'd say there's someting WBG said that was right besides Jackal being mafia that made them insta-vig him instead of, idk, waiting an hour to discuss wether they want him alive a bit longer to let him time to get is wrong reads across. | ||
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On January 07 2013 05:27 supersoft wrote: Toad, don't overthink these shots... ;-) They probably were in panic or the guy with the gun was too late and they wanted to shoot him instantly... whether he was wrong or right is pure wifom. but i'll take a look... yeah sure I'm not saying that's how it has to be but it would be a reasonable explanation people should keep in mind. And about wifom.. well everything in mafia is wifom until you flip... it's just a question about what explanation is more reasonable and if we got multiple points pointing (weakly?) in the same direction that makes it easier for us. Just saying. | ||
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Toadesstern
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On January 07 2013 08:12 Djodref wrote: Well, it looks like Toad had forgot he has asked this question because he didn't mention this when we were discussing why iamp had been shot at night and not by a day vig. Why did you not make any comment on our discussion at that point ? I am not exactly reading right now. Jackal is getting lynched and while I know we should probably keep on scumhunting it's not going to happen :p If you want something from me write Toad in tripple bold and make it big once. I'm pretty much only checking in every 4hours and do a quick look through. | ||
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