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On January 06 2013 21:30 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 21:00 Lazermonkey wrote:
Back to tunneling Hopeless : )
I'm actually going to concede my argument with that Hopeless meta play is making him scum. It doesn't actually. While he isn't really playing like town he isn't playing like scum either. So it's quite a null tell imo. Maybe a slight town tell even.
Hopeless, you said yourself that I shouldn't just watch TLVII Mafia because you were way more active then. You instead say I should watch Chrono trigger. CT is a completely diferent game than TLVII (which is much more similar to this game). But I must say I can see the similarities between CT and this game. Tho it's entirely possible that you are saying this just to justify your scum play.
With that being said, Hopeless is still scum : ) You basically just said that his meta doesn't make him scum because it can be similar to his town play, but your argument for him being scum is directly tied to his meta. I'm not saying he can't be scum, he definitely could be, but you're not going to convince people by repeating the fact that "he hasn't scumhunted" is your only argument, which can be explained away by meta. The fact that he hasn't been scum hunting is not the only reason I'm calling him scum. His super defensive tone and the way he tries to set up wagons are also major parts of the case.
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On January 06 2013 22:07 Clarity_nl wrote:
Lazer what do you make of Hopeless quad-votehop near d1 lynchtime from a scum perspective? I guess scum are less inclined to vote swap close to deadline, that however, doesn't make someone town just because he vote swapped alot.
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EBWOP: so its basically a null tell really.
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On January 06 2013 22:26 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 22:25 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 06 2013 22:07 Clarity_nl wrote:
Lazer what do you make of Hopeless quad-votehop near d1 lynchtime from a scum perspective? I guess scum are less inclined to vote swap close to deadline, that however, doesn't make someone town just because he vote swapped alot. Fine, they're less inclined, but if you cannot find a plausible scum perspective for his actions, you should not consider this null. Obviously, as town are more inclined to vote swap it does make sense for scum to vote swap to look like they are town.
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On January 06 2013 22:33 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 22:30 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 06 2013 22:26 Clarity_nl wrote:On January 06 2013 22:25 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 06 2013 22:07 Clarity_nl wrote:
Lazer what do you make of Hopeless quad-votehop near d1 lynchtime from a scum perspective? I guess scum are less inclined to vote swap close to deadline, that however, doesn't make someone town just because he vote swapped alot. Fine, they're less inclined, but if you cannot find a plausible scum perspective for his actions, you should not consider this null. Obviously, as town are more inclined to vote swap it does make sense for scum to vote swap to look like they are town. This argument implies hopeless plays a really strong game, which you have shown he has not. Prome: Yeah he's scum, but it wasn't obvious to me even after bc and marv flips. Please realize you haven't even read the damn game yet. Maybe simplifying it like that is good but I'm at a point in the game where stuff has baggage Well, I don't agree with this but w/e.
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Also, regarding Palmar. I'm not super familiar with his play but is he really so good as town that if he pushes 3 townies he is auto scum? Could he not just have been wrong?
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Yhea, it was WBG Prom. You kinda ninja answered me as well Lol.
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This meta case on CC is quite crappy imo. Sure it doesn't match his town meta at all, I give you that. But how does it make him scum? You haven't compared the meta to his (only) scum game. I and find some quite big diferences in that as well. While he indeed isn't as posty as in his other games, its still an indication of how he plays and you can clearly see that he is acting like he is scum hunting very hard in that game in contrary to this one when he basically says: "yhea, haven't read, don't care".
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discussion is good but the fact that half the thread is jumping on the CC wagon is alarming.
Supersoft, thoughts on CC?
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On January 07 2013 19:10 Clarity_nl wrote:
Lazer, more telling I feel is that Cheese shows more interest in the game with no deadline than this one. What do you mean...?
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On January 07 2013 19:22 Clarity_nl wrote:
He's also in another game (British) and he shows more interest in that. I'm not sure I see that as alignment indicative TBH. But it sure isn't helping us.
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On January 07 2013 19:32 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
What are all your thoughts on Promethelax? I originally had a town read on him (tunkeg). I didn't really notice anything special about Prom when reading the thread, however, when I'm reading his filter I understand why. No scum hunting and he hasn't really taken a stance anywhere what so ever. And he has been in the game for almost 72 hours so there is no reason to doubt him for replacing into the game. He may very well be scum actually.
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On January 07 2013 19:41 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2013 19:31 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 07 2013 19:22 Clarity_nl wrote:
He's also in another game (British) and he shows more interest in that. I'm not sure I see that as alignment indicative TBH. But it sure isn't helping us. It shows he's not invested in this game which IS alignment indicative. No, it just means that he is either lazy or scum.
He may be both.
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How do you feel about CC, Palmar?
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On January 06 2013 03:47 debears wrote:Guys, with the thread as shitty as it is right now, I would like to propose a plan: Everyone, shut up, and do voting analysis with the info on the marv and BC flips. Let's make night all about voting analysis, and get on track Show nested quote +
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What do we know about the day 1 lynch candidates? They were both town. It is way more likely scum didn't give a fuck where their votes were. We need to look for people who didn't really give a shit where their votes were, especially concerning BC and marv This is fishy... On January 05 2013 02:31 debears wrote:
##votr marv
Follow palmar the wise On January 06 2013 03:16 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 22:06 marvellosity wrote:
this game has led to a certain unavoidable snippiness level, by dint of sheer stupidity and bigheadedness (Palmar) and sheeping of said stupidity and bigheadedness (lots of town) Marv how do you know it's town sheeping palmar and not scum>? These are the ONLY two posts discussing the Marv-BC voting. Look through debears filter. To me, he seems to be one of the most uninterested players when it came down to the lynch. Playing the good 'ol I-pointed-out-the-flaws-in-my-own-gameplay-and-thus-cannot-be-scum card?
Debears just rose on my scum-o-meter.
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Vivax is sooo town in my book now.
The case itself seems good and I am willing to sheep it tomrrow foh sho. Also, I have a hard time to see scum backing off and admitting that one of the points in the case was flawed the way Vivax did here.
On January 08 2013 01:02 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 00:57 iamperfection wrote:
Why do you think point 3 is scummy? Thinking about it, you're right, it's actually more in the WIFOM category since we can't tell if intended or not, but I see it as belonging to the category of posts he's been making about votes, setup, policy. Fluff, that'd be, it fits so well in there it caught my attention.
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Actually, if there are any vigis left, then I think we should let them decide for themselves who they want to shoot. Mad hatters are really strong if there are only a few possible vigi targets. Really, just shoot into the group of people who you think are up for lynch D3.
With that being said, I don't think there are any vigis left. The most standard play from vigis is to shoot N1.
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On January 08 2013 05:21 Promethelax wrote:
Why are we talking about town reads?
Stop it. Agree with his case or disagree with it. Don't tell me how town the guy is who made the case. Lewut? Did you even read my post?
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On January 08 2013 05:33 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2013 22:52 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 06 2013 03:47 debears wrote:Guys, with the thread as shitty as it is right now, I would like to propose a plan: Everyone, shut up, and do voting analysis with the info on the marv and BC flips. Let's make night all about voting analysis, and get on track
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What do we know about the day 1 lynch candidates? They were both town. It is way more likely scum didn't give a fuck where their votes were. We need to look for people who didn't really give a shit where their votes were, especially concerning BC and marv This is fishy... On January 05 2013 02:31 debears wrote:
##votr marv
Follow palmar the wise On January 06 2013 03:16 debears wrote:On January 05 2013 22:06 marvellosity wrote:
this game has led to a certain unavoidable snippiness level, by dint of sheer stupidity and bigheadedness (Palmar) and sheeping of said stupidity and bigheadedness (lots of town) Marv how do you know it's town sheeping palmar and not scum>? These are the ONLY two posts discussing the Marv-BC voting. Look through debears filter. To me, he seems to be one of the most uninterested players when it came down to the lynch. Playing the good 'ol I-pointed-out-the-flaws-in-my-own-gameplay-and-thus-cannot-be-scum card? Debears just rose on my scum-o-meter. Look at Hiro's read on me. Look at Laser's post Does anyone find that they have exactly the same read troubling in terms of the BC-marv thing? Especially when Hiro nor Lazer posted anything about this til very recently? And your point is?
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On January 08 2013 05:40 Promethelax wrote:
Is it not super obvious? his point is that you are a scum team. Hi, I didn't know you were called debears! Good to meet you sir?
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