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Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
January 05 2013 15:23 GMT
#2319
Anyway, I'm afk for some hours tho. Hopefully back before deadline tho not certain.
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
January 05 2013 19:14 GMT
#2410
On January 06 2013 01:45 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2013 01:42 Clarity_nl wrote:
Eh, okay, my bad.

Hopeless do you have some thoughts on the presented cases?

Besides that its wrong? I'll happily address it during the day, assuming I haven't been vigged down. I think waiting until then will be more productive overall because people won't fear giving an opinion as much. I'll say that I think Lazer is town and bugs is scum for right now.
You know, every time I see you post, I just want to kill you even harder -.- ...

Can you give a SOLID reason to why you shouldn't adress the case right now? Why does it matter for YOU if other players fear giving an opinion? I hope you realise that the odds of you dying tonight from scum is non existant basically.
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
January 05 2013 19:15 GMT
#2412
btw, I think debears is town. His logic is actually really good IMO.
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
January 05 2013 19:23 GMT
#2421
On January 06 2013 04:17 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2013 04:14 Lazermonkey wrote:
On January 06 2013 01:45 Hopeless1der wrote:
On January 06 2013 01:42 Clarity_nl wrote:
Eh, okay, my bad.

Hopeless do you have some thoughts on the presented cases?

Besides that its wrong? I'll happily address it during the day, assuming I haven't been vigged down. I think waiting until then will be more productive overall because people won't fear giving an opinion as much. I'll say that I think Lazer is town and bugs is scum for right now.
You know, every time I see you post, I just want to kill you even harder -.- ...

Can you give a SOLID reason to why you shouldn't adress the case right now? Why does it matter for YOU if other players fear giving an opinion? I hope you realise that the odds of you dying tonight from scum is non existant basically.

Oh, I'm not worried about myself dieing to anything but a vig. However, I seem to be the most likely candidate now that marv is dead and gone. I want this issue fresh when people come back to it so there is no excuse for them to neglect to comment on your/wbg's case.
How can you guys not see Hopeless as scum? He claims that he is the MOST likely lynch target for tomorrow despite almost everyone who commented on it dissmisses it as''not so scummy''? Can you really see a town motivation for this?

Also, your reasoning is crap once again.

I'm afk for a while.

Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
January 05 2013 19:55 GMT
#2430
On January 06 2013 04:26 Clarity_nl wrote:
Lazer, reading comprehension, acquire some
wait, what did I miss?
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
January 05 2013 20:03 GMT
#2437
On January 06 2013 04:57 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2013 04:55 Lazermonkey wrote:
On January 06 2013 04:26 Clarity_nl wrote:
Lazer, reading comprehension, acquire some
wait, what did I miss?


The sentence before the one you enlarged clearly states he's not afraid to die except from a vigi shot.
It's not my point. He said he was the BIGGEST lynch canidate for tomorrow. Why would someone of town say something like this...? Especially since its quite clear to anyone reading the thread that he in fact is NOT the biggest canidate right now. Scum is afraid to die you know. Town is not.
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
January 05 2013 20:06 GMT
#2439
On January 06 2013 04:32 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2013 04:23 Lazermonkey wrote:
On January 06 2013 04:17 Hopeless1der wrote:
On January 06 2013 04:14 Lazermonkey wrote:
On January 06 2013 01:45 Hopeless1der wrote:
On January 06 2013 01:42 Clarity_nl wrote:
Eh, okay, my bad.

Hopeless do you have some thoughts on the presented cases?

Besides that its wrong? I'll happily address it during the day, assuming I haven't been vigged down. I think waiting until then will be more productive overall because people won't fear giving an opinion as much. I'll say that I think Lazer is town and bugs is scum for right now.
You know, every time I see you post, I just want to kill you even harder -.- ...

Can you give a SOLID reason to why you shouldn't adress the case right now? Why does it matter for YOU if other players fear giving an opinion? I hope you realise that the odds of you dying tonight from scum is non existant basically.

Oh, I'm not worried about myself dieing to anything but a vig. However, I seem to be the most likely candidate now that marv is dead and gone. I want this issue fresh when people come back to it so there is no excuse for them to neglect to comment on your/wbg's case.
How can you guys not see Hopeless as scum? He claims that he is the MOST likely lynch target for tomorrow despite almost everyone who commented on it dissmisses it as''not so scummy''? Can you really see a town motivation for this?

Also, your reasoning is crap once again.

I'm afk for a while.


I'm sorry, should I have qualified with "one of..."? There are cases on MZ, Sentinel, 2 cases on me, Lamp's list of blurbs and general feeling behind lynching CC and shooting tube. In addition there's a load of waffle about whether Palmar being wrong makes him scum (it makes him scum-my) and some general shitflinging to no avail. Discussing ME and the cases against me is in my opinion a good thing for town, and since the thread generally dies at night (in addition to it being a weekend) I'd rather wait until Day in order to do it.
Like you said, I`m not going to die, so what`s the hurry?
Sure, you are going to live till tomorrow. But why WOULDN'T you post your response now? The faster you post the more time we have to discuss the matter, which surely you would want if you were town. But your not. I'm done with you. I don't bother to convince scum that he is scum.
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
January 05 2013 20:10 GMT
#2442
It's cool Clarity. Want to lynch hopeless now? ; )))
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
January 05 2013 20:15 GMT
#2443
What happends if a mason get RBed? Will he be able to mason someone?
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
January 05 2013 20:55 GMT
#2449
On January 06 2013 05:54 Palmar wrote:
I can't be around at daystart

If I get shot don't lynch marv. I absolutely despise the ragequit thing, but I don't think he's an asshole so I guess he's town.

Lol, you are funny : D
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
January 05 2013 21:58 GMT
#2464
Sooo

I'll just list reads and not much of explanation because I am lazy. I will most likely not get killed tonight anyway so I'll be able to evaluate tomorrow anyway.

Iamp should probebly get shoot by scum, sooner or later, assuming he is town. He claimed to only be 1-shot mason but could very well be lying trying to live longer and what not. I guess scum could be afraid for protection roles and w/e but should he be left at end game we should probebly lynch him almost no matter what tbh. With that being said, Iamb is slightly town for now. If there are 3 nks tonight, obviously scratch everything I said.

Palmar town

MZ slight scum

Clarity very slight town

grush and kush are both very slight town reads to me for making more sense than I expected them to.

debears slight town.

Hopeless super scum

Yamato sliiiight town

thrawn sliiight town for playing insanely wierd. In a not scummy way.

WBG slight town for pushing Hopeless( this is all assuming Hopeless is scum. Which he mooost likely is)

Everything else is quite null.

town is more townie than slight town which is more townie than sliiight town

: )
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
January 05 2013 22:00 GMT
#2469
DAFUQ
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
January 05 2013 22:02 GMT
#2473
On January 06 2013 07:01 HiroPro wrote:
Day vigi shots will be happening soon i expect.
Yhea, must be the case.
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
January 05 2013 22:03 GMT
#2476
On January 06 2013 07:02 VisceraEyes wrote:
Except they'd be outing themselves as fucking scum retards.

Let me think
How?
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
January 05 2013 22:09 GMT
#2484
Makes no sense VE.
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
January 05 2013 22:14 GMT
#2489
On January 06 2013 07:12 VisceraEyes wrote:
No, I'm retarded. The bombs disappear after the night.

Okay, then.

##Vote: Meapak Ziphh
That's not how you vote for Hopeless. Look here!

##Vote: hopeless1der
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
January 05 2013 22:15 GMT
#2494
On January 06 2013 07:14 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Oh so it's just an anti-vig measure.

I think DV shouldn't be too big of an issue balance-wise. All they are doing is moving up the night to a time of their choosing.
This means people should be outing their reads ASAP. We wouldn't want anyone to die without saying important stuff.
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
January 06 2013 11:12 GMT
#2651
Keir and Iamp are 99% town at this point, which is good.

Keir and Iamp, I think both of you are likely dayvig targets given that nobody else claims anything. You should try to hand out your reads ASAP.

CC just looks more and more like a lazy townie to me I am not comfortable at all in lynching the guy, especially because his town meta is to be lazy.

On January 06 2013 09:34 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2013 09:32 Djodref wrote:
On January 06 2013 09:30 Toadesstern wrote:
On January 06 2013 09:24 Djodref wrote:
With wbg dead and really cop, Jackal is confirmed scum right now.
I don't see mafia framing anyone with 3 cops (now 4) already in the cemetery...

I don't understand why mafia chose the 1 for 1 solution.
I also believe iamp when he says being protected and shoot, he was confirmed town after all.

Jackal was already confirmed mafia before, or at least pretty much. Everyone knew it's either Bugs or Jackal mafia the moment Bugs claimed. There's no reason to vote Bugs instead of Jackal so might as well shoot the confirmed townie and make Jackal a 99% confirmed mafia instead of just being 98% confirmed.

The problem with iamP is that I agree with you, he was pretty much confirmed town and I still think he's town.
That however leaves the question why mafia didn't opt to sac that KP for a dayvig as well.
But a town-vig shooting iamP makes 0 sense... why would a townie shoot him and on top of that not even claim prior to deadline.

So I guess it was mafia for some reason I don't understand yet?


Maybe mafia was afraid of being shot by vigs. The only downside I see for day vigs is that mafia players can be shot by town vigs before shooting themselves.

1) as already mentioned twice there's a nother downside: Mafia KP is untrackable, Day-vigs are kind of trackable due to rolecops. It's something that can not be faked or avoided unlike alignmentcops (framer / GF).

2) Dayvigs shoot on d2. Mafia KP was sacced on n1. So the n1 shots would have been earlier than the dayvigs. If they were afraid of dying they would not have sacced but shot on n1.
Initially I thought something along those lines, ie, we must be on the wrong track because otherwise scum wouldn't use Dayvigs, although I now think this is the wrong mentality. Scum only need to have 2 players that are not under heavy suspicion to deliver day vig shots.
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
January 06 2013 11:23 GMT
#2654
On January 06 2013 20:16 yamato77 wrote:
I called the dayvig thing strong for mafia before the game and no one listened to me.

I guess everyone thought they had to type in the thread but that ability seemed really strong to me. They give up a KP the night before, which could be blocked, for an UNBLOCKABLE KP the next day to use at any time.

Super strong.
Now is not the time for fear, that comes later.
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
January 06 2013 12:00 GMT
#2659
Back to tunneling Hopeless : )

I'm actually going to concede my argument with that Hopeless meta play is making him scum. It doesn't actually. While he isn't really playing like town he isn't playing like scum either. So it's quite a null tell imo. Maybe a slight town tell even.

Hopeless, you said yourself that I shouldn't just watch TLVII Mafia because you were way more active then. You instead say I should watch Chrono trigger. CT is a completely diferent game than TLVII (which is much more similar to this game). But I must say I can see the similarities between CT and this game. Tho it's entirely possible that you are saying this just to justify your scum play.

With that being said, Hopeless is still scum : )
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