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On January 07 2013 23:36 iamperfection wrote:
does anyone agree with me on foolishness?
First of all, I think it's too early for you to make a connection cases between CC and him. I wouldn't expect CCs flip to be alignment indicative of the people attacking him.
I don't agree with Foolishs' read on CC, Palmar said that town Foolishness posts very good reads. He posted a read that doesn't include CCs scum game, instead just two town games, although the posting frequency argument holds.
But I would expect someone renowned like Foolish to double check his reads better and include CCs scum game like I did.
2 pages of filter is pretty sad for such a renowned town player, but according to Palmar that's the vets' style.
Until we see more, Fool is null for me.
Now, Palmar agrees with him on CC without noticing that he didn't post all of meta.
I actually can't trust Palmar on anything he says anymore since he's playing on his own and trolling the shit out of us, and giving him cred for posting that list is shit cause mafia know who's town anyway, so he's always going to step onto the right feet.
Palmar is currently among the bad boys for me, although he would have fooled us like a boss with his irc chat. He looks quite sincere in his interactions with iamp.
I believe that we should pull Toad out of his comfort zone and let him know that we're going to stalk his posts. Such a talkative player shouldn't be silent in this phase.
Same for grush, Djo, thrawn, froggy, MZ, Sentinel.
Djo started singing like a rockstar when he had enough votes poking his ass in Hero MM 
@Iamp
Did Palmar invite you first to his irc domain or did you ask for a live chat system?
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On January 08 2013 03:04 debears wrote:
Guys me and palmar are a scumteam
The whole town except you was scum before it was cool.
Enough of your mindfuck strats bro.
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On January 08 2013 03:52 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 03:21 Vivax wrote:On January 07 2013 23:36 iamperfection wrote:
does anyone agree with me on foolishness? First of all, I think it's too early for you to make a connection cases between CC and him. I wouldn't expect CCs flip to be alignment indicative of the people attacking him. I don't agree with Foolishs' read on CC, Palmar said that town Foolishness posts very good reads. He posted a read that doesn't include CCs scum game, instead just two town games, although the posting frequency argument holds. But I would expect someone renowned like Foolish to double check his reads better and include CCs scum game like I did. 2 pages of filter is pretty sad for such a renowned town player, but according to Palmar that's the vets' style. Until we see more, Fool is null for me. Now, Palmar agrees with him on CC without noticing that he didn't post all of meta. I actually can't trust Palmar on anything he says anymore since he's playing on his own and trolling the shit out of us, and giving him cred for posting that list is shit cause mafia know who's town anyway, so he's always going to step onto the right feet. Palmar is currently among the bad boys for me, although he would have fooled us like a boss with his irc chat. He looks quite sincere in his interactions with iamp. I believe that we should pull Toad out of his comfort zone and let him know that we're going to stalk his posts. Such a talkative player shouldn't be silent in this phase. Same for grush, Djo, thrawn, froggy, MZ, Sentinel. Djo started singing like a rockstar when he had enough votes poking his ass in Hero MM @Iamp Did Palmar invite you first to his irc domain or did you ask for a live chat system? I think you need to reread my point on foolishness i said the opposite with regards to him and CC. I messaged palmar on irc because why not
Yeah I misread your stuff about Foolish <_< . I remember to have read something from you like "If CC flips scum Foolish is scum", but I'm a bit jumpy and distracted today  , maybe someone else wrote that.
@ debears
Debears, I know that you want me to spout town reads (about Tunkeg/Prom), but I'd prefer if you actually brought up reasons why you think that Tunkeg/Prom is scum if you think that my read isn't correct.
After all you forgot to mention my last line in my post against you, where I point out that your interest into them dropped to 0 quickly since the replacement, but the player behind it should still be scum for you. That is another point in your disfavour in regard to your pursuit of a Tunkeg lynch.
I will look with more detail into your defence however.
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On January 08 2013 07:15 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 07:13 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I was masoned to foolishness for a day although my guess is intelligent people already knew that. You'll get logs after I discuss things with supersoft. Now this is interesting...
How is it going in your lodge, taking the world over soon?
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On January 08 2013 07:20 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 07:18 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2013 07:15 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 08 2013 07:13 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I was masoned to foolishness for a day although my guess is intelligent people already knew that. You'll get logs after I discuss things with supersoft. Now this is interesting... How is it going in your lodge, taking the world over soon? What do you mean?
I actually wanted to quote the mason.
You know, freemasons and stuff. I'll write more once I find my tinfoil hat.
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I've removed some quotations to keep it somewhat readable, just read the previous cases if you want to know what it refers to.
#1:
+ Show Spoiler +On January 08 2013 06:17 debears wrote:
So, let me get this straight. You expect me to somehow prove that Iamp was talking about supersoft, when he very quickly and clearly responded to my post with a post from MZ, whom he said he was refering to?
That is unreasonable to the nth degree.
If you looked at the post I questioned, you will notice how iamp said "mystery person was posting from phone and would be back home later". If iamp said that he was talking of supersoft, that would be false. Supersoft never said that. It would make Iamp instant scum with supersoft (or mason with supersoft which isn't possible at this point).
Your question to iamp:
+ Show Spoiler +On January 04 2013 08:29 debears wrote:ah kk ty. I thought you were to supersoft. Would've had you as hammered scum if you said supersoft. Anyways, I'm glad you answered MZ
You didn't understand what I wrote (and also explained to clarity): I said that it was obvious that a scum iamp wouldn't answer with supersoft upon asked since that would have obviously brought up some serious questions. It is you making that answer a reason to back off from him that I find him scummy. It simply looks like an obsolete thing to ask.
And that's not the only thing, could you answer why you picked supersoft out of everyone else when MZ said he would be back home soon on the previous page and Keirathi referred to that? It looks to me like you took things out of context here.
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+ Show Spoiler +On January 08 2013 06:17 debears wrote:
I stand by my point. If the mafia lets a confirmed town mason live till lylo, especially a strong player in iamp, they are fucking retarded. So, it is much more likely Iamp would be scum at lylo. See I believe Hero with Marv living til the end. He was scum.
It's a very reasonable thing to say. For some reason, you find it unreasonable and scummy. What gives?
I am of other opinion here. I think using scum night actions as a way of stirring up suspicion on a player is scummy, especially since you try to do so without actually having intention of bringing up a lynch target for the current day. Again a way of looking like contributing and discrediting people who are viewed as townie by most people, at least that's my impression of iamp (being seen as townie).
Bringing the Hero argument and the marv analogy isn't valid here since marv didn't claim a shot. You're also saying
If the mafia lets a confirmed town mason live till lylo, especially a strong player in iamp, they are fucking retarded
You're implying that iamp is a confirmed town mason?But why did you write that NK argument in the first place then?
You think he's a scum mason? Did you post something that could make you think that?No?Right.
If you have a reason for writing that and still writing something against him based on scum actions then speak up, I'm listening.
#3:
+ Show Spoiler +On January 08 2013 06:17 debears wrote:This ( Comment: the random lynch policy) isn't necessarily mafia motivated at all. Obviously there is joking in that post. Also, Palmar agrees with me
Your random lynching argument is a joke. Well, I didn't get it.
Isn't necessarily mafia motivated means it could be very well mafia motivated. Ok, fine.
Let's treat this simply as null then.
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+ Show Spoiler +On January 08 2013 06:17 debears wrote:
I will lay off the insults about this point. Wrong setup speculation can easily be said from either a mafia or townie when the OP has been lacking concise rules.
Someone else already pointed this out, I already acknowledged that it's WIFOM. I still don't like that speculation cause it's useless for scum hunting, now I could say for either alignment, but mafia don't like to scum-hunt, town does
Let's give you BOTD on this as well, although it would fit so well if you are scum :/
#5:
+ Show Spoiler +On January 08 2013 06:17 debears wrote:
This was a specific response to a specific question by hopeless. I have my reasoning spelt out. It should be pretty clear why me read was what it was at that point. You obviously didn't read my reasoning in my post. You are reaching for something to find on me.
Yeah, the specific response to the specific question was the answer to hopeless asking what you were implying by bolding two things while quoting him, which I referred to as shit-throwing.
Hopeless asked you if you were subtly calling him scum, to which you replied that you actually lean town on him?What changed about his posts? Exactly nothing, he just asked why you bolded some parts in his quote.
You found enough reason to quote him and bold some parts to make him look scummy, but maintained an unclear opinion when he asked you about it.
More tomorrow. Gn.
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On January 08 2013 09:07 Vivax wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I've removed some quotations to keep it somewhat readable, just read the previous cases if you want to know what it refers to. #1: + Show Spoiler +On January 08 2013 06:17 debears wrote:
So, let me get this straight. You expect me to somehow prove that Iamp was talking about supersoft, when he very quickly and clearly responded to my post with a post from MZ, whom he said he was refering to?
That is unreasonable to the nth degree.
If you looked at the post I questioned, you will notice how iamp said "mystery person was posting from phone and would be back home later". If iamp said that he was talking of supersoft, that would be false. Supersoft never said that. It would make Iamp instant scum with supersoft (or mason with supersoft which isn't possible at this point).
Your question to iamp: + Show Spoiler +On January 04 2013 08:29 debears wrote:ah kk ty. I thought you were to supersoft. Would've had you as hammered scum if you said supersoft. Anyways, I'm glad you answered MZ You didn't understand what I wrote (and also explained to clarity): I said that it was obvious that a scum iamp wouldn't answer with supersoft upon asked since that would have obviously brought up some serious questions. It is you making that answer a reason to back off from him that I find him scummy. It simply looks like an obsolete thing to ask. And that's not the only thing, could you answer why you picked supersoft out of everyone else when MZ said he would be back home soon on the previous page and Keirathi referred to that? It looks to me like you took things out of context here. #2: + Show Spoiler +On January 08 2013 06:17 debears wrote:
I stand by my point. If the mafia lets a confirmed town mason live till lylo, especially a strong player in iamp, they are fucking retarded. So, it is much more likely Iamp would be scum at lylo. See I believe Hero with Marv living til the end. He was scum.
It's a very reasonable thing to say. For some reason, you find it unreasonable and scummy. What gives?
I am of other opinion here. I think using scum night actions as a way of stirring up suspicion on a player is scummy, especially since you try to do so without actually having intention of bringing up a lynch target for the current day. Again a way of looking like contributing and discrediting people who are viewed as townie by most people, at least that's my impression of iamp (being seen as townie). Bringing the Hero argument and the marv analogy isn't valid here since marv didn't claim a shot. You're also saying If the mafia lets a confirmed town mason live till lylo, especially a strong player in iamp, they are fucking retarded
You're implying that iamp is a confirmed town mason?But why did you write that NK argument in the first place then? You think he's a scum mason? Did you post something that could make you think that?No?Right. If you have a reason for writing that and still writing something against him based on scum actions then speak up, I'm listening. #3: + Show Spoiler +On January 08 2013 06:17 debears wrote:This ( Comment: the random lynch policy) isn't necessarily mafia motivated at all. Obviously there is joking in that post. Also, Palmar agrees with me Your random lynching argument is a joke. Well, I didn't get it. Isn't necessarily mafia motivated means it could be very well mafia motivated. Ok, fine. Let's treat this simply as null then. #4: + Show Spoiler +On January 08 2013 06:17 debears wrote:
I will lay off the insults about this point. Wrong setup speculation can easily be said from either a mafia or townie when the OP has been lacking concise rules.
Someone else already pointed this out, I already acknowledged that it's WIFOM. I still don't like that speculation cause it's useless for scum hunting, now I could say for either alignment, but mafia don't like to scum-hunt, town does Let's give you BOTD on this as well, although it would fit so well if you are scum :/ #5: + Show Spoiler +On January 08 2013 06:17 debears wrote:
This was a specific response to a specific question by hopeless. I have my reasoning spelt out. It should be pretty clear why me read was what it was at that point. You obviously didn't read my reasoning in my post. You are reaching for something to find on me. Yeah, the specific response to the specific question was the answer to hopeless asking what you were implying by bolding two things while quoting him, which I referred to as shit-throwing. Hopeless asked you if you were subtly calling him scum, to which you replied that you actually lean town on him?What changed about his posts? Exactly nothing, he just asked why you bolded some parts in his quote.You found enough reason to quote him and bold some parts to make him look scummy, but maintained an unclear opinion when he asked you about it. More tomorrow. Gn.
On January 08 2013 10:03 debears wrote:
1) I could have possibly phrased it better
He found a quote from MZ saying that MZ was posting from phone and would be home soon within 3 minutes of asking. I highly doubt he's lying about that. Read plz.
Also, supersoft was around in that convo too. Look it up
No, supersoft didn't look like he was phoneposting at all at that point, please give me proof for what you're saying, cause I can't find it on my own.
1. Show me where MZ is saying that he's posting from phone.
2. Show me what made you think that he was possible referring to supersoft.
I'm quite sure you won't find it, and you should know that. The fact you're holding on to your mistakes in such a stubborn way makes me think you're very scared of admitting them.
On January 08 2013 10:03 debears wrote:
2) You are not reading at all. I said, if Iamp makes it to lylo, then lynch him. What don't you understand about that? For a strong player who is a mason to make it to endgame is fucking retarded if you are scum in a 30 player game
Which applies to the quote which you try to frame as a scumslip. BECAUSE YOU AREN'T FUCKING READING.
It's a hypothetical. Seriously. There is no way you are this dumb as town.
Again, you're misrepresenting what I said. It's the timing and purpose of that post, it leaks a scum mentality.
You're not writing posts about people who should be lynched next, you write them about people that should be lynched in a far away situation.
Additionally, you do so by using NK speculation.
Stop referring to a fraction of what I write and portraying me as scummy cause you defend against a fraction. Answer it all or don't answer it at all.
You didn't answer my question about your confirmed town iamp statement anyway.
On January 08 2013 10:03 debears wrote:
5) First, I didn't bold anything in his posts. He didn't asked why I bolded parts in his quote cuz I didn't. You are lying
You are right, on second check, actually it was Toad who bolded the parts. I had trouble seeing you quoting that thing without actually answering something to it besides your joke quote, so I assumed you bolded it. Gotta read better (='
Yknow it's funny. All I needed to know was: I didn't actually call hopeless scummy at that time, I just replied with statistics to his statement that he's not fine with random lynching.
But then, on the other hand, you made an extensive "I am slightly town and somewhat scum on you"-post, and that just doesn't fit with you replying to him with a joke-post, it rather looks like you felt pressured to write something to justify it.
Now you start spouting shit about me lying and being scum. That's overreaction, you can simply point out where I'm wrong without going berserk on it.
My current opinion is that you put quite a lot of points I saw about you aside, but there are still some old points that I'm not satisfied with after your answer.
I also don't like how you handled the whole thing:
You only answer to a portion of the points, and then call me scum after answering to them.
You don't acknowledge that most people saw these points as legitimate issues that had to be pointed out, else they wouldn't have liked the case right?
I'll reconsider your case during the day. Of all the people sheeping me on it no one actually bothered to look at the stuff they're sheeping, that doesn't make me feel easy about it, I don't want to do all the work >=(
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Oh and why not care about Prom when you found Tunkeg suspicious?
You keep skipping that, baddie.
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You're cute debby. Maybe if you claim scum and offer us night kills I'll keep you alive lol. You should read that link as well, but go one page back and see who Hiro was talking about, and what MZ wrote last.
You are climbing the derp-scale up quickly.
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Are you suggesting that as town, I shouldn't back up from my opinions on you when I see things that give me reason to?
Well, that's just retarded.
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For the case that I die tonight:
Look at debears, look how he's making one point after the other, just to jump to something new to use against me when I responded to the previous points.
He doesn't care if I'm town or not, he only cares about defending himself by attacking me.
He's been calling me scum for insisting on points he finds bad, then he calls me scum for desisting on them. That should already ring some bells.
That's 1 of 5/6/7 scum.
Then there's VE. Hard to read, plays with an emotional appearance, yet it's hard to estimate how much he involved in this game. He started by sheeping cases, looked disappointed at the time marv got modkilled, now he's actually making his own reads.
He jokes a lot, but lurks less than in Hero, where he was scum.
I can see him fit into a scum team, but there are things giving me doubts lately, mainly his willingness to post reads, and there's not even a town or null-read in them!
Don't lynch him soon, but don't loosen the bite on him. Make him post.
iamp is probably town by what I've seen so far.
Kushmasta is in a similar category as VE. Kind of hard to read, seems like he's a lurky type of player, but he doesn't get much attention from anyone, and that's pretty alarming. The towniest thing he's done so far is post a list of scumreads, and that's already not much given his lack of reasoning and interest in pursuing them.
He was content with voting BC and marv
On January 05 2013 21:33 kushm4sta wrote:
*snip*
Also I have irrefutable evidence that marv is scum. I will post this at work later.
On January 05 2013 22:28 kushm4sta wrote:
do people realize marv has almost a 20 page filter already? who knows how much more space has been taken up by answers to his many fruitless interrogations.
kill marv, kill the spam.
help make this game playable for anyone with a life.
Scummy thing to say against the blue that was about to get lynched by half of town, when there were players like tube, CC, grush, froggy or Palmar trolling/lurking/being anti-town. But it's not like Kush cared since town was heading for a mislynch anyway.
He promised the irrefutable evidence to come up with something that looks like a policy an hour later.
Kush is a good lynch.
Foolishness, Chezinu, and Palmar are people of whom I know they are vets, so it's possible one of them is on the scum team for balance reason, like jackal was, but I'm moving on shaky ground here since I'm not too experienced to speculate about this. I see reasons for them to behave like they behave simply cause they are vets, but in lategame situations, they have to be scrutinized heavily and to post reads without fear of getting shot.
but i repeat about dibbers:
May you find some more proof to expose him. Especially after these answers by Debears, I'm going to look through his posts more thoroughly if I stay alive. Can't fail to find more, even.
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Gg guys.
Looks like hopeless saved iamp last night. Good play bro, good play bro.
Grush, one day you will play for town.One day.
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hi iamp, who do you want to lynch?
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I'm glad to see we're heading for a scum lynch.
I'll contribute more tomorrow, I'm tired as fuck today, cba to read sorry.
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The death of Palmar confuses me,
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Toad speaking of Eywa "and the mafia" speaks for him being scum. Other points brought up as well, but I would like VE to clarify which post he's talking about when he says Toad wanted him and hopeless to die without reading the thread. It makes it easier to follow the arguing about the points, quote the stuff.
When I read his filter, I feel like I'm getting mentally ill. I don't see it fit into any pattern.
BUT I want to lynch debears today.
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I hit tab + enter there iamp. Not sure if I want to openly speculate about Palmars death, but it does raise a few questions for me.
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Furthermore, I'm expecting great things from Foolishness' replacement. With Palmar down being town, it's likely that there is scum among the remaining vets.
For you who are more experienced with the playerbase here: Who would be considered a vet by the hosts?
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Like: Palmar didn't express any concerns about debears before dying, he announced that he'd read up on him, but he gets shot. Should we draw conclusions about debears from that or treat it as WIFOM?
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On January 11 2013 01:16 Toadesstern wrote:
whatever, as mentioned I'd rather see someone else lynched but I have to post once in a while to not be a total ass and give you what I've got. I did that, if you want to lynch me I can't do a thing against that.
Is there anyone else besides VE or Foolish who you're suspicious of?
Don't send me to your spreadsheet please. Like, people who you want to lynch now besides these two.
What do you make of VEs interactions with the host and his latest rise in activity?
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