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Toadesstern
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On January 03 2013 08:42 Lazermonkey wrote: How is a blind WBG lynch a good reason for policy lynch? Or did I miss something? You make it sound like lynching a (possible) Town-WBG would be something that's not helpful. It's a win-win situation. We lynch town-WBG? Yay We lynch mafia-WBG? Fuck yeah | ||
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Toadesstern
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On January 03 2013 08:48 marvellosity wrote: Toad, stop trolling as well. Enough. If you're being serious, you're scum, so I can only presume you're trolling. Why | ||
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Toadesstern
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On January 03 2013 09:05 VisceraEyes wrote: His question was probably "why are you excluding the possibility of [Toad] being scum" I think he was implying that you "already know that he's town" or something equally laughable.  well kind of. I'm not implying that, I want to hear is reasoning. On January 03 2013 08:48 marvellosity wrote: Toad, stop trolling as well. Enough. If you're being serious, you're scum, so I can only presume you're trolling. I wanted to know what made you think green, because of red Marv. I get the that you directly conclude green out of not-red. But there's no reasoning why it's not-red to begin with, so you have a townread on me and conclude, out of townread on me that I'm not mafia although I'm being trolly right now. That's a weird way to put it. | ||
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Toadesstern
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On January 03 2013 09:22 Tunkeg wrote: Like pretty much all the posts in this game thus far. He then stated pretty clearly that he is not interested in any policy lynches besides a lynch lurker policy. If his posting thus far make him look pretty bad, I wonder how you scale things, because really, this little information on him is in my book not even enough to be leaning one way or the other.I don't like these types of FOS'es at all. well it's d1. 1 and a half hour into the day. Of course it's incredibly slim. We could all be holding hands and put things this way: "I've got some very minor thing about you, if it isn't to bothersome to read and all" but that's not going to accomplish anything. People are exaggerating early on d1 because there's little we've got. The alternative would be not posting, because what you found are only very minor things and wait for more posts. Clearly you'll see the flaw in the 2nd method if everyone thinks that way. No need to read too much into everything like this Hopeless dude claiming I'm already setting up the lynch for d2,[irony] which obviously has to be the case here [/irony] :p | ||
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Toadesstern
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On January 03 2013 09:36 Tunkeg wrote: I'd actually prefer people not posting, than posting exaggerated reads. Sure put on some pressure, analyse whats being said, but don't just post bullshit like Player A is 100% scum because he said he likes kittens. It is just nonsensical bullshit, and it shits up the thread. On January 03 2013 09:38 Lazermonkey wrote: Your logic is quite terrible. If everyone would think like this, there would be nothing to analyze. That's exactly my point. You can't tell people to only post if they got something if you're telling them not to post until they got something if we're beginning at 0. Just chill a bit and keep in mind that a lot of what is said d1 is exaggerated. Because the alternative would be not posting d1 and having d2 be the new d1. You found something you consider to be weird? Post it and let's discuss it, noone cares about wether or not it's something major because that's the only way we can end up find something major later on. | ||
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Toadesstern
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Got some Palmar? | ||
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On January 03 2013 10:07 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm so glad you caught that too. LOL Toad your whole filter has been in response to bullshit about Tunkeg and pushing this WBG policy lynch. Do you think anyone looks scummy so far? Do you have any kind of thoughts about anything in the game other than "I don't like WBG, I think we should kill him regardless of alignment"? I find it interesting that you want to hear Palmar's thoughts, considering he's pushing this same policy as you - his thoughts are, of course, "let's kill WBG" as he's stated multiple times. Are you reading the thread? What are YOUR thoughts? I already mentioned that I consider Palmar to be weird right now because again, I'm worried about having another Batman-Palmar, as he's overdoing it imo. That's why I'm asking for his thoughts. A bunch of stuff I don't want to mention right now about other people. Some thoughts about 2 PM's with Marv (one from him, one from me) I had recently. One of them being something I shouldn't have said, the other one wether or not I can trust him on what he said because if what he said is correct I've got some decent reads right now. Other than that not much yet. | ||
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Toadesstern
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On January 03 2013 10:14 VisceraEyes wrote: Did you just claim mason? Or are you talking about out-of-game-PMs? older PM's between Marv and me talking about other games. | ||
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Toadesstern
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On January 03 2013 11:06 supersoft wrote: yeah, that game was pretty epic with annul - I died n1 :-( what do you guys think of a mason massclaim btw... If scum wants to have a mason, they will be forced to invest 0.5 KP right now until the end of the game... I mean we can verify them pretty easy... I actually thought about that pregame because I like the masonrole so much and thought that if I ended up being a mason the best way would be to make a specific breadcrumb for every day, tell the guy you masoned about the breadcrumb and tell the next guy you mason who the prior ones you masoned were. A Log of who you masoned so to speak. Or even better, don't make the breadcrumb yourself but instead make the guy you're masoned with breadcrumb it with a specific post, so the new, to be masoned guy can check those up and confirm the mason to be town or a mafia who invested .5KP every single cycle. | ||
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Toadesstern
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On January 03 2013 11:32 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: So Palmar said yet another useless thing with no significance. Why am I not surprised. Why is anyone surprised at this. Why are we even considering this to be anything more than Palmar-talk? noone is considering it to be anything. Apparently besides Clarity that is. As Marv said, Palmar knows that noone thinks he's that stupid, therefore everyone knows it's bullshit. Palmar is capable to post bullshit as both mafia and as town. Wether that bullshit is actually true or not is totally insignificant for the assertion of said bullshit. | ||
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Toadesstern
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I hate that and nowadays everyone does it. Even you marv... you're better than that. There's no reason to talk about a townread, no matter how weak or how strong on d1 unless the guy in question is about to be lynched. Don't give people an easy time skating by by dropping some random townreads, talk about things you consider to be weird. | ||
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Toadesstern
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On January 03 2013 12:02 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I talk about town reads because I am defending my position that people who want to lynch Tunkeg right now are making oh so very stupid decisions. Also I think they are wrong. But I defer to your infinite wisdom Toad. Surely you know better than I. Post some information devoid of townreads and do explain on who is the scum and why you are right. Or at the very least, who you think is wrong. See the thing is, I haven't mentioned a single town read (besides one that only 1 guy in the thread knows about :3) at all and I don't plan on doing it, neither should you. I've mentioned a couple of things I consider weird, mainly some things about Palmar and Marv so far. Not saying I'm the wisdom in person and I never intended it to be that way but it is INCREDIBLY hard to tell a townie who's posting a townread apart from a mafia who's posting a townread while both may look like something useful (it's not). A townread is best kept to yourself, especially early on.
On top of that, it is incredibly easy for mafia to look like they're doing something by posting townreads. They know they're right on something, they don't have to make up bullshit, which they have to when they're doing scumreads unless they're bussing. They can get in the thread make 4 townreads about someone, mix in 2 mafiabuddies and tell people they're mafia as well and there's almost no way to distinguish that from a townie. I mean there is, but it's just WAY hader than by looking at peoples mafiareads because again, mafia have to make up some bullshit when doing those, they got confirmation bias and already know they're wrong and all that is making it hard for mafias to talk about mafia-reads. Talking about townreads isn't for them, not at all. That being said, I'd very much like a situation in which we just keep our townreads to ourselves pretty please. | ||
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Toadesstern
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On January 03 2013 12:10 Toadesstern wrote: See the thing is, I haven't mentioned a single town read (besides one that only 1 guy in the thread knows about :3) at all and I don't plan on doing it, neither should you. I've mentioned a couple of things I consider weird, mainly some things about Palmar and Marv so far. Not saying I'm the wisdom in person and I never intended it to be that way but it is INCREDIBLY hard to tell a townie who's posting a townread apart from a mafia who's posting a townread while both may look like something useful (it's not). A townread is best kept to yourself, especially early on.
On top of that, it is incredibly easy for mafia to look like they're doing something by posting townreads. They know they're right on something, they don't have to make up bullshit, which they have to when they're doing scumreads unless they're bussing. They can get in the thread make 4 townreads about someone, mix in 2 mafiabuddies and tell people they're town as well and there's almost no way to distinguish that from a townie. I mean there is, but it's just WAY hader than by looking at peoples mafiareads because again, mafia have to make up some bullshit when doing those, they got confirmation bias and already know they're wrong and all that is making it hard for mafias to talk about mafia-reads. Talking about townreads isn't for them, not at all. That being said, I'd very much like a situation in which we just keep our townreads to ourselves pretty please. | ||
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Toadesstern
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On January 03 2013 12:16 Hopeless1der wrote: yeah, palmar looks more like scum to me than town, but again, not willing to lynch into him. Toad also looks scummy because he's spewing nonsense and then telling me I'm dumb for taking him even remotely seriously. In the event that I manage to get lynched, he plays the "guys it was Day 1 I was just joking around" card. Toad's last post isn't particularly alignment indicative, and while a nice sentiment (no town reads), it ultimately lends more to my confirmation bias that he isn't actually helping town this game, he`s just posting and being active. why are you already talking about what might happen if you end up being lynched. Seriously that is a weird post you just did. You're telling me I'm setting up a d2 lynch (which I wasn't lol, not even setting up a d1 lynch yet) and now you get in here telling people that if you get lynched (why?) I'm playing some kind of card? That's the most backwards posting I've ever seen. I also never said you're dumb, I told you that I got a problem with one line of your posts and that you need to chill out after you got all mad at me for pointing that out. Should I not have mentioned it instead? What should my approach should have been? Ignore it? And seriously don't make it look like I'm insulting you because I'm not. I haven't insulted anyone in this game besides bugs. About the nice sentiment. I'm just posting instead of doing something? I posted it because I saw multiple people doing it so far and I don't like it, you say you don't like it either. So something's wrong. I'm trying to change that by posting it. If I had posted that without a reason like "sup guys, here's what we do" without anyone posting townreads that'd be something but there's a reason for that post and you're ignoring it, making it sound like I did it for fluff when clearly I'm trying to get people to STOP DOING IT, which according to you isn't anything? | ||
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Toadesstern
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On January 03 2013 12:35 Hopeless1der wrote: I'm talking about what-ifs because people are taking the post where you call me out (+ Show Spoiler + On January 03 2013 07:38 Toadesstern wrote: besides that, hopeless looks like a nice 2nd target. 1) Who cares and why are you telling us that? You could as well just get in here, yell "YALLA YALLA NO POLICY LYNCH OMFG NOOBS" and it would be way better than that. Why do you feel the need to tell us that you're fine with lynching a lurker although you apparently don't want to, at all? At least that's what I'm getting at here. 2) Srsly? and they are using it as a reason to consider me scum, but you've gone on to say: Effectively absolving yourself of any responsibility with regard to my potential lynch. This isn't a connection case because of bullshit like+ Show Spoiler + someone defended this guy from another's acusation and I think the first guy is scummy circular logic somethingsomething , this is me seeing a scummy thing based on your backpedaling on calling me scum in a way that I find very suspicious. Well in that case let me get this straight: I did not intend to backpaddel at all. I still consider you somewhat scummy. I don't think the reasoning I've given is anywhere near enough to get you or anyone else lynched as it was mearly something that ticked me off as weird early on. I posted it because it's d1 and we want to create discussions. So let it be known that I, Toad still think you're looking worse than most people in the thread as of now, 4 hours into the game. Basicly a FoS just with reasoning provided and I'll be looking at your posts. I'll let you know if I consider you to be a decent lynch ahead of time and will try to not communicate too much with you for a while (beyond this point) to see yourself on your natural turf to see how you keep on playing when there's no reason for you to worsen your play due to possibly existing emotions towards myself because of what I said earlier on. | ||
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Toadesstern
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Let's get this going. Town palmar can be a dick, Town palmar can and will be very much trollish, Town palmar however won't do everything that's possible to make it sure it's hard for town to get reads on people or to even read the thread. That's something not-Town Palmar does. Get lynching guys. | ||
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It was easier to read you yesterday  Btw I'd really love to know who's got access to that stupid obs-QT because of that one paragraph I directed at you and some other things people said. Mind updating the OP Marv? :p | ||
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