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On January 07 2013 08:33 Toadesstern wrote: oh he was asking hiro, crap should not have told you I'm not reading EBWOP I thought he asked me why I didn't bring it up in the thread | ||
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On January 08 2013 03:21 Vivax wrote: [...] I believe that we should pull Toad out of his comfort zone and let him know that we're going to stalk his posts. Such a talkative player shouldn't be silent in this phase. [...] You really want me to start posting? You should watch out what you're wishing for, especially considering that I don't have problems to talk, no matter of alignment so really everything you get from me not posting is that I don't feel like posting right now. I post A LOT as both town and mafia. It's just a guess but I'd say a bunch of people are happy we're not that talkactive right now. I'll start reading once the night starts again :p | ||
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Who's an option besides him? I somewhat want VE dead, I somewhat want foolish dead but have no idea what's the status with his logs. | ||
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On January 10 2013 00:47 Clarity_nl wrote: VE is practically mod confirmed town, why do you want him dead Cheese is an alternative, apparently Palmar seems to believe that djo is as well. haven't exactly read a thing since... quite some time. Why is VE mod confirmed? If he is I'm obviously not going to lynch him. | ||
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On January 10 2013 01:41 Promethelax wrote: So, Toad and Palmar, both of you are decent enough players to have some ideas. Please share them. [...] I don't have a lot. I was royally wrong on Marv and probably wrong on Palmar. I'm like the most mistrusted guy on TL, no matter of alignment, there's no way I'll ever make people realize I'm town given the situation. Mafia won't ever shoot me so I'll be sticking around until lylo which is the latest point town will want to kill me. Hopefully we'll have won before that happens and I'm all for surviving for the sake of lynching right mafia reads first so we reduce the KP they have but other than that I don't really read that much anymore because noone will listen to me or even consider me not a mafia given the situation. "Pulled a WBG" is a term that is referring to a bad player that defended the GF when he was lynched d1. Called iamP and me bad for saying we need to shoot/lynch the SK d1 (which happened d2) Defended the mafia-lynch on d3, resulting in a no-lynch Let into lynching said mafia on d4 and told people to lynch Town on d1,d2,d,3,d4 and d5 (d5 was you, remember?) while telling people mafia1, mafia2 and SK are TOTALLY town and we shouldn't ever lynch them. I think I might be on my way doing the same thing this game | ||
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On January 10 2013 03:03 HiroPro wrote: We're going to lynch Cheesecake. I don't care whether you guys think that he is so inconsiderate that he would abandon one game completely to join another one. He is around, he is avoiding being modkilled by voting, but refusing to do anything at all so you have to lynch him. ##Vote Cheesecake Now let's talk about Toadesstern, since you guys are ignoring him. These are the posts with regards to his view on Palmar that I will be referring to: + Show Spoiler + On January 04 2013 02:10 Toadesstern wrote: ##vote Palmar Let's get this going. Town palmar can be a dick, Town palmar can and will be very much trollish, Town palmar however won't do everything that's possible to make it sure it's hard for town to get reads on people or to even read the thread. That's something not-Town Palmar does. Get lynching guys. On January 04 2013 03:48 Toadesstern wrote: Arkham City: Palmars filter And well about the first statement. I obviously can't prove he doesn't do that as town because that's impossible. Thing is I haven't seen him doing anything this extreme as town, and I've seen him a couple of times. Gosh you're wasting my time I'm off to McD for half an hour. On January 04 2013 04:40 Toadesstern wrote: and I'm not paranoid. I'm gauging the situation :p Though I really am not sure what to make of Palmar, which is troublesome. So what do we see here - Toad is voting for Palmar on some sort of meta read, but has absolutely no desire to explain it beyond "Palmar isn't like this is town. this is not-town Palmar". What motivations could a town Toad have for not willing to explain in detail why the person he's voting for should be lynched? He could either have an inherent dislike for explaining his thoughts or it could be a pressure vote (It's clear that this is not a pressure vote based on how quickly Toad drops the whole thing). At the same time, Toad has no problems with complaining about how marv won't share his thinking with him, so it's very unlikely that Toad doesn't like to explain his thoughts on his lynch target. So then the simplest explanation is that Toad is mafia and does not want to share his reasoning because he simply has nothing substantial. At the same time, the speed with which Toad's view on Palmar changes should be highly concerning. At 2:10, Toad is voting for Palmar and calling him very likely "not-town". Yet just 2.5 hours later, Toad suddenly is unsure about Palmar (It should be noted that Palmar has posted nothing in this time frame beyond expressing a slight doubt of Toad) and seems ready to back off. What could possibly cause this shift - at this time, I'm questioning Toad on his reasoning and supersoft is calling Toad paranoid and saying Palmar will absolutely not be lynched. Yet, Toad's response isn't to loudly refute us (which would be the normal drama queen toad reaction), but instead something that smells much more strongly of mafia - avoiding discussion and instead attempting to quitely appease others. Now let's look at the way that Toad treats Viscera (relevant quotes are in the spoiler): + Show Spoiler + On January 05 2013 03:49 Toadesstern wrote: d1. We're lynching marv right now, mostly because Palmar said so and people like Supersoft and myself agree about it. Alternatives would be a policy lynch on WBG, A lynch on me because I'm weird according to VE (?) A lynch on BC because... I don't know hard to tell... I agree he's not looking good but I wouldn't be comfortable lynching him A lynch on VE for doing stuff other people want to do ALL THE TIME On January 05 2013 05:46 Toadesstern wrote: I really think any kind of lynch between Marv / BC / Hopeless / maybe VE would be awesome right now. But Palmars the man and he says it's Marv and not the other 3 guys, so Marv it is. On January 04 2013 07:46 Toadesstern wrote: the interessting thing, if at all is VE's vote. Though VE and I have somewhat of a history so it's really hard to get something out of that... I don't mind foolish to be honest. On January 05 2013 09:09 Toadesstern wrote: VE is problematic and plays somewhat anti-town no matter of alignment. Palmar once said that VE is one of the strongest mafia-aligned-forces no matter of alignment, resulting in town being at a disadvantage no matter what. That was before he started playing better. Nevertheless he's VERY eratic. He's either good or completly moronic. Pretty much nothing inbetween, which makes it hard to judge him. I've got a history with him because he'll probably tell you that I consider him scummy every game I play with him, no matter of our alignments, even if we're both mafia :3 So basicly you won't find a game of VE in which he's not strange, not a single one. The question is wether that strange is something bad strange. On January 06 2013 07:00 Toadesstern wrote: I'm going to make a bold statement here: I don't think I'm going to get doublestacked n1 again. I really don't think mafia will shoot me, but I might have overdone it a little because apparently there's a bunch of paranoid people who might be willing to shoot me. I'm mainly looking at hopeless, Ex-Tunk (?) and VE here. Tunk is unlikely simply because he replaced out but who knows. Hopeless could end up shooting me and if he does it's probably a townie-move although being utterly retarded because I really don't see mafia wasting KP on me this game, this early on, especially with Marv flipping town. If VE shoots me it's a null I guess... he'd be crazy enough to do that as both alignments and to claim it as both alignments. If he's mafia he could easily be sitting in his QT yelling <i>"look guys, if I shoot Toad and claim 10 secs prior to deadline I'll totally look like a misguided townie and with me yelling at Toad 10 times d1 I have all the reasoning to shoot him while making me look VE-ish!"</i>. I however could also see him do the same thing as town so no idea about him. I guess the best thing is to see who get's shot at deadline, that should give as some hints because right now it's really confusing within the vets. And I really hope possible vigs end up claiming prior to deadline. That's all that's relevant for this particular deadline from my point of view. I'm playing some zelda and will get onto more important things tomorrow. On January 10 2013 00:46 Toadesstern wrote: On the offchance that I'm pulling a WBG here, I'd rather not vote Debears. Who's an option besides him? I somewhat want VE dead, I somewhat want foolish dead but have no idea what's the status with his logs. Throughout his filter, Toad is clamoring for VE to be lynched on absolutely nothing (read it, you won't find a single reason for why VE might be mafia). Everything about his tone and attitude (specifically the constant double-talk where multiple explanations are given for VE's behavior but no real opinion is ever taken) suggest that Toad regards VE as some sort of oddity, not a prime lynch candidate. So then why is Toad pushing for VE to be lynched all the time? It's simply a baseless mafia push - Toad is content to throw dirt at VE without ever trying to really convince others. I'll be around for another half an hour, so talk to me right now please. Viscera, I would very much appreciate it if I could talk with you. You kind of forgot the hole Mason deal, didn't you? | ||
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On January 10 2013 03:10 HiroPro wrote: That was way after what I'm discussing. that was the reason I said Palmar is town. | ||
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On January 10 2013 10:53 supersoft wrote: 7. Toadesstern 28. Mr. Cheesecake Toad almost 100% confirmed scum in my eyes right now... Sorry dude. I got you. Don't even dare to argue yourself out of this ;-) You might aswell admit it. Cheesecake obviously... 19. Foolishness replaced by RoL 17. Palmar one of them should be scum, balancewise. Not an issue today, since we got more solid lynches... I am no sure about debears, sure he's terrible, asking pointless questions, is lying etc. etc. but many of you do that... huh... well I'm not :p | ||
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On January 10 2013 14:56 Promethelax wrote: Toad, you care to explain why you aren't scum and additionally who is scum. Top three with a nice ole reason for each. how am I supposed to explain how I am not scum? Most people usually give me the "Toad could totally do that as mafia... just look at LI for example" crap and they might be right... People say I'm hard to read for a reason. Example: I said I want hopleless and VE dead, right? I realized hopeless was dead some time later because again I'm not reading the thread. Though clearly this could be a mafia trick. That being said all I've got is my initial reads I had early on and those ended up being wrong pretty much all the time this game | ||
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/mbEav.png) The one's without names are already flipped ones. I change those to the real alignment they flipped to keep track of the numbers. You can easily see when I stopped updating btw :p | ||
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Think a "sup guys, that's all" would be better? | ||
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