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On October 10 2012 11:04 prplhz wrote: so everybody has a role or is anybody vanilla? what if we want to lynch somebody and then he just stacks the other guy with 10 votes also, bedtime You can ONLY vote in matchups you are not participating in, and you can vote in ANY matchup is not yours. If you look at it carefully it is very similar to a normal lynch, which the guy who gets more votes overall gets lynched in the end. The cool part about this mechanic is that you get to pressure vote people early on so they don't get a free pass on the lynch. And of course we ought to notice scum trying to make sure their buddies escape the lynch and trying to incriminate others. The real optimization problem this round for town is to make sure all candidates we might want to lynch move on to the next round while using the minimum amount of votes. For that we have to discuss it prior to voting and make sure we are all in the same page. | ||
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On October 10 2012 11:37 kushm4sta wrote: So for the first round do we just vote for who we think is the worse player? IE voting original over austin? No, and you are lucky that's not the case because judging by this assumption alone you would probably have a high chance off being nominated. Obviously the objective of this and every other round is to make sure people we think are scummy (not bad) still are available as a lynch option. | ||
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On October 10 2012 11:42 HiroPro wrote: Ok, so the way I see it everyone has at most 10 matchups to vote on, and depending on how many times you advance you may have less (some might only have 7). So I think everyone should be voting for each matchup - there shouldn't be a matchup that you don't vote in (so only use 1 vote on each matchup, not more) and if you acquire more votes than there are matchups left for you to vote in, you don't use the excess votes. Now two reasons to do this - one is accountability - no one should be allowed to withold their opinion on a matchup and not say who they think is more likely to be scum (merely announcing it isn't good enough, a vote is more solid and carries actual weight). That's why you use only 1 vote on each matchup - then you can't say that you don't have any votes left to take a stand with. The reason to not use excess votes is simple - the people who will acquire excess votes are those who pass through in matchups and are considered more likely to be scum - there is no reason for these people to have more voting power than others. That poses the problem that people that got a pass on round one are highly unlikely to be lynched, even if the majority thinks they are more likely scum. We shoulds just openly discuss who we want in round 2 and make sure they get there with the minimum amount of votes invested. We do this process every round and in the end we can get anyone we want lynched. | ||
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At least that's the way I understand it. Do the votes get reset after each round? | ||
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On October 10 2012 12:00 kushm4sta wrote: I really hate sandroba's idea on lynching with the minimum amount of votes needed for each person. Seems complicated, manipulable. I vote hiropro's plan. It's not lynching with minimum votes, it's getting to rounds that matter the most with the maximum amount of votes. Anyway if the votes get reset than I have to rethink it. | ||
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What do you think about that? I think this way is harder to blend in, because you can't justify your vote as "I have to decide between these 2". Each vote you cast you must have a reasoning behind it, but you can't cast multiple votes in one round and manipulate the results too much. That way we can observe who is interested in the lynch and give more weight to the reasons behind each vote. | ||
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On October 10 2012 13:24 da0ud wrote: Hi again guys ! Happy to be here with ya all ! I am french leaving in HK and pretty bored at work currently so this game will have my full attention. This is my first MAFIA game on a chat thread, but I have played a lot with real friends in real life. So it should be pretty cool. One first guess on the voting system is that people who are already given a BYE from first round are at a disadvantage (cause they have one less chance to be out) and on top of that they are higher seeded hence at a second disadvantage in case of 0-0 tie. Pretty unfair isn't it. I guess it must have been a master plan from the Alien Invaders who put themselves all as the lowest seeded people. I would put focus on eliminating players number 10, 11 and 12 this round if possible. What do you guys think ? At least i am trying to put a lead on who is what.... Daoud. Hey. Is this to be taken serious? Are you missing the point of the game or making a joke? | ||
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On October 10 2012 14:43 EchelonTee wrote: Elaborate why only one vote per matchup is better than variable votes? I definitely agree with not forcing everyone to vote for every matchup, but I don't exactly see why not allowing people to use all their votes is beneficial. On October 10 2012 13:53 sandroba wrote: To be honest no plan is required, since votes don't carry over and are open for everyone to see. Maybe letting things be will leave scum much more easily identifyable. By allowing people to vote as they please we allow them to expose their motives. I agree with you. Or you agree with me. W/e <3 | ||
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@prpl You are my best scum read so far, how do you feel about that <3 @mementoss Don't be stupid. Town# > Mafia# by default. That's the dumbest shit I've read so far and let me tell you there is plenty dumb shit about. | ||
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On October 11 2012 11:08 OriginalName wrote: There is this wonderful thing called real life that happens to often impede on things, by the time I was free to post and take time to read my phone was dead and I had to wait until i got off my rather late shift at work and communicate with this thread. ON why the votes on djoref? | ||
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Right now I'm pretty sure ON is scum. There was no reason to throw those 2 random votes and freak out a ton if you had not read the thread. Voting isn't even mandatory. The only explanation is someone informing him erroneously that he would be modkilled due to the cohost pointing out in the thread he had not voted and since on his mind he had to throw some votes somewhere he just used the opportunity to push some agenda that is yet to be seen by voting the most controversial match up. No reason for him to vote that match up at all if he was town and had no info, since he doesn't even know those players, and I would expect him to throw one vote on someone he knew if he didn't have any agenda. | ||
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On October 12 2012 04:05 prplhz wrote: @EchelonTee So sandroba kept up his appearance for the first couple of hours and since then he's had a "hunch" post and one measly contribution. Do you really think this looks like townie sandroba? Last sandroba townie game I remember was Space Station where he ruled the town with an iron fist and nailed like 5 out of 6 scum in the first two days. Fucking ridiculous. I don't think that this looks like townie sandroba at all. When sandroba is town he can do magic but there's none of that right now. This is day1 and that always makes me a little weary of lynching a player of sandroba's caliber but it's a 96 hour day so I have no problems putting a little pressure on him. Right now I have no problems with him advancing over kushm4sta, I actually prefer that since kushm4sta is showing a lot more interest in this game. That's pretty ridiculous comment prpl. And I known for my manners or my detailed explanation of my actions? No. Have there been any flips so far? No. Look at the cases people posted, which is the strongest? Definetely the case on ON. How can you ever say that I'm not trying to get scum lynched or that my play has been uninspired? You can't. | ||
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My reads so far is that ET austin hiro and kush are town. I honestly don't know anymore about ON cuz I would expect him to try to at least keep apearances as scum. This djodref is either very dumb or scum. You would never as town (and inteligent) feel that a person that is standing up to you against the majority trying to lynch would be scum. Prpl and mementos are prob scum. | ||
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The stupid exercise of breaking posts apart and endelessly saying things are "scummy" without even defining and not even knowing what scummy means is what brings this tiresome conversation that I refuse to take part of where everyone indulges each other and strikes each other's dicks. | ||
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On October 13 2012 05:30 HiroPro wrote: you know what's hilarious about this? prplhz is a guy who follows vets around whenever he play and never tries to lynch them. And I'm a person who normally doesn't really care. When prplhz is acting like this, something is up. Especially when has that pissed "i'm mad and i want you to know it" tone going on. This is something hiropro noticed and something scum wouldn't likely point out while trying to get me lynched. Since I know I'm town it makes no sense for hiro as scum to make this statement at this point, without the outcome of me getting lynched still being up in the air and not decided. Also the comment on the tone is something that townies that are concerned with scumhunting normally look for in a post and not something scum normally tries to fake. On October 13 2012 11:44 austinmcc wrote: ET. Pretend for a moment that you're ET this game. (Or, if you don't have to pretend, please let us know). You and your hypothetical scumbuddies are hanging out in QT, discussing how to play out the matchups and how you want to vote and do scummy stuff and whatnot. The following questions come up, as to how each of you wants to do things. How do you respond? Do you guys make sure to sometimes be on opposite sides of a matchup? Or do you not care if 2 scum players vote together the entire way through D1? Say in round 1 or round 2 there's a matchup that you want to influence, one of your scumbuddies is neck and neck with a townie. Do you just vote that matchup? Or do you vote that matchup + 1 or 2 that you don't care about, in order to hide the vote you actually want to make in with some that don't make a difference to you? Is there any particular player you think is a likely D1 mislynch, just looking at player list and like...the first couple pages of the game. If so, who? This posts shows the kind of logic I would expect a townie to use. I find it hard to believe scum would fake something like this, because it's not effective, specially in this town where people can only see what is right in front of their nose. | ||
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On October 14 2012 09:48 kushm4sta wrote: Why are no scum stepping up for sandroba? Sandroba is notoriously bad as scum. If he is scum, the longer the game goes, the clearer that will become. I don't think scum would risk trying to defend him. They would see him as a lost cause. But that brings up a separate point. If he is scum, according to his meta, the scumminess will just become more obvious as the game progresses, as he will continue to mostly afk. Really want to hear from ET since he is seems confident in being to read sands meta. If I were scum I would never even reach this round. It's quite easy to justify not wanting to lynch me day 1. Also I was up against you in earlier rounds and it would be easy to push you a bit and have you move on. | ||
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How can you opt to lynch me over someone that has done nothing? The fact this lynch is even a race should tell you a lot. | ||
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The thought that a bunch of players of questionable skill got together and thought it was a good idea to lynch me day 1 for no reason makes me sick. | ||
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how about you drop your stupid pride then and do the right thing. | ||
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On October 14 2012 10:45 prplhz wrote: questionable skill is doing nothing for an entire day and then coming back and acting all indignant about it. I did and said enough. Take a look at your own filter and then mine. | ||
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On October 14 2012 10:46 prplhz wrote: dude, if you were town you wouldn't be in this situation. do you ever get votes as town? Yes, last pyp mini I was extremely inactive and got lynched as town. | ||
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On October 14 2012 10:47 thrawn2112 wrote: But that is basically what has happened up until the last 30 min or so I wasn't around. And I did put up a fight earlier. What does that tell you either way? Am I scum for the time pattern in which I fight my own lynch? How does that point to one way or the other? | ||
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On October 14 2012 10:49 thrawn2112 wrote: sand would you mind dropping off a final town/scum read(s)? My early post still stands. Since then I've taken a look at hopeless too and I believe he is town too. | ||
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On October 14 2012 12:18 austinmcc wrote: Hopeless was set to be lynched last round until RIGHT at the deadline. There would have been no reason for scum to unvote Hopeless, as he was set to go through and ON would have been safe. Oh yeah you are right, then don't consider what I said earlier. I'm going to take a second look at him. | ||
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