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On October 15 2012 22:26 thrawn2112 wrote:In the case that da0 gets lynched and he flips green then this post may be of importance later: I don't like the way prplhz and memtoss have defended each other in the last couple pages Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 21:21 prplhz wrote:
can you please explain to me how you can be so dumb to think that scum are just going to pass the potato between each other? if that happens you can be 100% sure that one of them isn't scum.
da0ud is probably scum and i should just have gone with my page 2 scum read on him and realized that OriginalName's 2 ninja votes were suspicious as fuck but sandroba is just ten steps ahead of me. i might pass it to him but then you have to deal with how he's passing it to a townie Mementoss (doubt Mementoss would have the balls to tell a townie sandroba to sod off in the first 2 pages if he was scum). i'm thinking Mementoss holds on to his hide for now and then he hides when i give the potato to da0ud. Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 21:27 Mementoss wrote:
Work Time now, so I don't have time to explain. Hopefully will before the potato blows
I would MUCH rather lynch d0ad over prplhz. If you actually read prplhz filter he looks pretty town ignoring the fact he really thought sandroba was scum. But guess what? Townies are wrong most of the time. They don't have the information like scum. They can't manufacturer reads based on this information. That looks like what da0d has been doing all game, picking people to make cases on and manufacturing them after the fact.
Also, to everyone saying lolz da0d/ prplhz pass between eachother. (kush) I want a detailed post on why you think they are both scum. Including stuff that doesn't have to do with ON flipping scum. Also think if you had the potato and you knew you were town. Why the fuck would you listen to anyone else or hold the potato because someone told you to? Holding the potato as town makes no sense. Holding the potato as scum, makes more sense to get town cred. Telling people what they have do with the potato without a good reason, or they will be lynched is complete scum motivation. If I had the potato, I would not hold that thing a second longer than I had to, and would be putting it on my top scum read, not someone elses. Why? You know your own alignment and no one elses. You can only trust yourself at that point.
Does this change your view of me from the last page? And it was funny how right after I defend prplhz he ninja defends me, and then subsequently makes a plan to throw the potatoe at ET without explanation.
If you could pick one person to be scum that doesn't include me prplhz or da0d. Who would it be? (only asking your because your my top town read atm)
@prplhz Do you think ET is town? If so, don't pass to ET the greater the time in towns hands the potato is the greater chance of dead town. If you think ET is scum, how do you explain ETs last minute ninja semi final vote to put ON into the finals over hopeless.
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Also if anyone thinks its worth my time to defend Da0ds case I will do so when I have the time to.
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One more quick note, if your looking for scum with associations to the ON flip, look for people who were confident ON would flip scum. No townie could be confident ON would flip scum because ON had 2 posts, and was inactive. It was a complete guess/safe lynch.
Also look for people who didn't vote ON in the early rounds, but bussed him in the finals.
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On October 15 2012 23:32 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 22:26 thrawn2112 wrote:In the case that da0 gets lynched and he flips green then this post may be of importance later: I don't like the way prplhz and memtoss have defended each other in the last couple pages On October 15 2012 21:21 prplhz wrote:
can you please explain to me how you can be so dumb to think that scum are just going to pass the potato between each other? if that happens you can be 100% sure that one of them isn't scum.
da0ud is probably scum and i should just have gone with my page 2 scum read on him and realized that OriginalName's 2 ninja votes were suspicious as fuck but sandroba is just ten steps ahead of me. i might pass it to him but then you have to deal with how he's passing it to a townie Mementoss (doubt Mementoss would have the balls to tell a townie sandroba to sod off in the first 2 pages if he was scum). i'm thinking Mementoss holds on to his hide for now and then he hides when i give the potato to da0ud. On October 15 2012 21:27 Mementoss wrote:
Work Time now, so I don't have time to explain. Hopefully will before the potato blows
I would MUCH rather lynch d0ad over prplhz. If you actually read prplhz filter he looks pretty town ignoring the fact he really thought sandroba was scum. But guess what? Townies are wrong most of the time. They don't have the information like scum. They can't manufacturer reads based on this information. That looks like what da0d has been doing all game, picking people to make cases on and manufacturing them after the fact.
Also, to everyone saying lolz da0d/ prplhz pass between eachother. (kush) I want a detailed post on why you think they are both scum. Including stuff that doesn't have to do with ON flipping scum. Also think if you had the potato and you knew you were town. Why the fuck would you listen to anyone else or hold the potato because someone told you to? Holding the potato as town makes no sense. Holding the potato as scum, makes more sense to get town cred. Telling people what they have do with the potato without a good reason, or they will be lynched is complete scum motivation. If I had the potato, I would not hold that thing a second longer than I had to, and would be putting it on my top scum read, not someone elses. Why? You know your own alignment and no one elses. You can only trust yourself at that point. Does this change your view of me from the last page? And it was funny how right after I defend prplhz he ninja defends me, and then subsequently makes a plan to throw the potatoe at ET without explanation. If you could pick one person to be scum that doesn't include me prplhz or da0d. Who would it be? (only asking your because your my top town read atm)
Idk that will require some reading. But there has been this voice in the back of my head telling me to be suspicious of austin. There's a subtle difference in his meta this game from his meta in the 2 recent games I've seen him play town. In this game he spent a much longer time being lurkish before posting walls of text and I had to specifically call him out to get him to do so. He's also been doing weird shit like asking "if you r scum" hypotheticals... in those other games I saw him jnust being way more straight forward in general. And he only put down a single vote in round 1, then he put down 3 votes for ON in r4 and left the rest of his votes up to me and kush. At the time when he made that offer kush looked like he was for sure going to vote sand and I was on the fence but leaning sand. That's 6 of his votes, or 60% of his D1 actions we cant really account for. I still don't understand how anyone would want to give away their votes. Other than those things I've gotten a very townish vibe off of him but those things have been in the back of my mind all game.
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On October 15 2012 23:49 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 23:32 Mementoss wrote:On October 15 2012 22:26 thrawn2112 wrote:In the case that da0 gets lynched and he flips green then this post may be of importance later: I don't like the way prplhz and memtoss have defended each other in the last couple pages On October 15 2012 21:21 prplhz wrote:
can you please explain to me how you can be so dumb to think that scum are just going to pass the potato between each other? if that happens you can be 100% sure that one of them isn't scum.
da0ud is probably scum and i should just have gone with my page 2 scum read on him and realized that OriginalName's 2 ninja votes were suspicious as fuck but sandroba is just ten steps ahead of me. i might pass it to him but then you have to deal with how he's passing it to a townie Mementoss (doubt Mementoss would have the balls to tell a townie sandroba to sod off in the first 2 pages if he was scum). i'm thinking Mementoss holds on to his hide for now and then he hides when i give the potato to da0ud. On October 15 2012 21:27 Mementoss wrote:
Work Time now, so I don't have time to explain. Hopefully will before the potato blows
I would MUCH rather lynch d0ad over prplhz. If you actually read prplhz filter he looks pretty town ignoring the fact he really thought sandroba was scum. But guess what? Townies are wrong most of the time. They don't have the information like scum. They can't manufacturer reads based on this information. That looks like what da0d has been doing all game, picking people to make cases on and manufacturing them after the fact.
Also, to everyone saying lolz da0d/ prplhz pass between eachother. (kush) I want a detailed post on why you think they are both scum. Including stuff that doesn't have to do with ON flipping scum. Also think if you had the potato and you knew you were town. Why the fuck would you listen to anyone else or hold the potato because someone told you to? Holding the potato as town makes no sense. Holding the potato as scum, makes more sense to get town cred. Telling people what they have do with the potato without a good reason, or they will be lynched is complete scum motivation. If I had the potato, I would not hold that thing a second longer than I had to, and would be putting it on my top scum read, not someone elses. Why? You know your own alignment and no one elses. You can only trust yourself at that point. Does this change your view of me from the last page? And it was funny how right after I defend prplhz he ninja defends me, and then subsequently makes a plan to throw the potatoe at ET without explanation. If you could pick one person to be scum that doesn't include me prplhz or da0d. Who would it be? (only asking your because your my top town read atm) Idk that will require some reading. But there has been this voice in the back of my head telling me to be suspicious of austin. There's a subtle difference in his meta this game from his meta in the 2 recent games I've seen him play town. In this game he spent a much longer time being lurkish before posting walls of text and I had to specifically call him out to get him to do so. He's also been doing weird shit like asking "if you r scum" hypotheticals... in those other games I saw him jnust being way more straight forward in general. And he only put down a single vote in round 1, then he put down 3 votes for ON in r4 and left the rest of his votes up to me and kush. At the time when he made that offer kush looked like he was for sure going to vote sand and I was on the fence but leaning sand. That's 6 of his votes, or 60% of his D1 actions we cant really account for. I still don't understand how anyone would want to give away their votes. Other than those things I've gotten a very townish vibe off of him but those things have been in the back of my mind all game.
Nice we have the same hunch. I will try to put something cohesive together after work.
Read this if your interested in scum austin: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=372174
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On October 15 2012 22:36 EchelonTee wrote:
@1der, any reason why you are refraining from doing anything today? What's your opinion of the potato shenanigans?
The general consensus (which I agree with) is that one of da0ud or prplhz should be lynched. Personally, I think da0ud is more likely scum. The lynch mechanic itself has too much randomness to it for us to make a proper plan. At this point I have no intention of hiding. If I turn up with the potato, da0ud will be my first choice. Beyond that, I'd be looking for scummy things from other players.
Things like MMT wanting us to ignore ON's flip to prove prplhz or da0ud being scum. They were both out in the first round. Other than the known information of scum flipping, it is extremely difficult to demonstrate scum motive for them when they are already safe from the lynch day1. The bulk of my read on da0ud revolves around his interaction with ON's situation.
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On October 15 2012 23:29 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 23:02 da0ud wrote:
If I get the potato, my plan is as is :
- Get the majority of active people at this time to agree on who between prplz or mementoss should get the potato next.
- If one hides, the other one automatically gets it.
- If both hide, I will keep it and explode with it, while town will become a huge winner exposing them both. omg, that third point if your town is horrid. Just because you die that means your reads are correct?
No it is both of you hiding who would make my reads correct. But I am sure you wont be hiding.
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On October 15 2012 23:56 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 22:36 EchelonTee wrote:
@1der, any reason why you are refraining from doing anything today? What's your opinion of the potato shenanigans?
The general consensus (which I agree with) is that one of da0ud or prplhz should be lynched. Personally, I think da0ud is more likely scum. The lynch mechanic itself has too much randomness to it for us to make a proper plan. At this point I have no intention of hiding. If I turn up with the potato, da0ud will be my first choice. Beyond that, I'd be looking for scummy things from other players. Things like MMT wanting us to ignore ON's flip to prove prplhz or da0ud being scum. They were both out in the first round. Other than the known information of scum flipping, it is extremely difficult to demonstrate scum motive for them when they are already safe from the lynch day1. The bulk of my read on da0ud revolves around his interaction with ON's situation.
why woud you put me over prplhz or mementoss ?
please explain me what part of my interaction with ON made up your read on me ?
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Memetoss are you third party? trying to spread suspicion all over the place.. to me, to austin.
After daoud and prplhz are gone if the game isn't over yet you are next.
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On October 16 2012 00:18 kushm4sta wrote:
Memetoss are you third party? trying to spread suspicion all over the place.. to me, to austin.
After daoud and prplhz are gone if the game isn't over yet you are next.
i thought the game was over ? are you gonna consider my case on mementoss?
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sleep time, will be back in 7hrs - let's see if i manage to wake up within these 7 hours
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On October 15 2012 22:25 EchelonTee wrote:
I don't care if you give me the bomb because I'm just going to give it back to you. If you hide, then I'll give it to da0ud. In fact I'd prefer you give it to me because I know exactly what I want to do with it.
I do find it amusing that you're trying to threaten me or something?
@ET
If you are town and planning to give the potato back to him, why don't you hide ?
The result is the same and you don't put yourself at risk at all.
I don't understand why you would like to have the potato to give it back to him. I mean, right now, prplhz has the potato and I'm perfectly fine with it. The longer he has it, the happier I am. If I could use a hide to make him carry it longer I would.
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give to daoud. When he wakes up he can give it to prpl.
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i'm going to give it to EchelonTee 2 hours before i think it's going to go off.
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someone said that they might be realigning deadlines so that would mean that i give it to him at 00:00 GMT (+00:00) which is in like 6 hours.
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On October 15 2012 22:38 prplhz wrote:
@EchelonTee Why do you want to give the potato to da0ud when you like his case? Do you think that a scum da0ud would try to sell out a scum Mementoss at this point?
Because I'm not sure who's scum lol
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On October 16 2012 00:52 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 22:25 EchelonTee wrote:
I don't care if you give me the bomb because I'm just going to give it back to you. If you hide, then I'll give it to da0ud. In fact I'd prefer you give it to me because I know exactly what I want to do with it.
I do find it amusing that you're trying to threaten me or something? @ETIf you are town and planning to give the potato back to him, why don't you hide ? The result is the same and you don't put yourself at risk at all. I don't understand why you would like to have the potato to give it back to him. I mean, right now, prplhz has the potato and I'm perfectly fine with it. The longer he has it, the happier I am. If I could use a hide to make him carry it longer I would.
Because if I hide, he'll pass it to some other random townie, and it might explode on them (same chance of it exploding on me), and I don't know what that townie will do with the bomb, while I know exactly what I will do.
This might be OMGUS, but prplhz has absolutely no reason to think that I am scum except for process of eliminiation, which is ludicrous to say the least. The fact that people are implying that they are unsure about prplhz or that they will explode other people boggles my mind a bit because of all of the absurd things prplhz has been saying. I've played with prplhz in a lot of games, and here a few things I've found:
1. he's a smart player: I remember when he N1 vigi shot scum.
2. he likes sheeping. I remember when he sheeped me even when I was a noobie, and when he sheeped everyone in Liar Game because he didn't know what was going on (busy with life I think?)
3. he usually responds to what people says
In this game he's said some really outrageously dumb things that just sound so disingenuous. I don't care if people said that ON was null, or that he was just a lurker lynch. But to say that ON looks townie? Insanity. And to call me scum... for no reason? More insanity. And in this game when he had a chance to sheep sandroba and lay off him for just one cycle, he didn't take the opportunity. I don't see prplhz every doing this crap. Finally, when I and others call him out on his shit his response is to "fuck off lol". Are you goddamn serious.
Is it risky for me to accept the potato? Obviously. But I'm fine with that to make prplhz completely and without question exposed as scum. If he sends it to me and I explode town, then prplhz should be revoked of his right to talk in thread until he finally gets the noose.
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Honestly prplhz, I can't believe you would actually explode me if you are town; I still have faith in you as a player =/
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of course i have reason to believe you are scum besides process of elimination, i just use that to hone in on my targets. you'll notice that HiroPro and austinmcc are both left after i eliminated townies. i just read TL Mafia LV and Bastard Mafia 2 and i read this game too and i think you are scum.
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listmaking
not explaining your reads at all
ok man =/
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